Why NB is OP in 1 actual picture

Hyssia

Publius_Scipio

You got caught off guard is all. They won't be doing that to you if you see them coming. Most likely the build that person is running isn't the best for out in the open combat. Keep them out of stealth and watch them scramble away.

Rohamad_Ali

Hyssia wrote: »

This is now a Nerf Heavy Attack thread

AfkNinja

Hyssia wrote: »

If you're going to claim OP you need to throw up your stats too.

Hyssia

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

You got caught off guard is all. They won't be doing that to you if you see them coming. Most likely the build that person is running isn't the best for out in the open combat. Keep them out of stealth and watch them scramble away.

thanks, with this newfound advice I feel ready for pvp

nordickittyhawk

Nerf heavy attack.

Master_Kas

You was naked? Luckily I've haven't gotten hit by any surprise attack above 9k this patch.

You sir, got rekt xD

Publius_Scipio

Hyssia wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

You got caught off guard is all. They won't be doing that to you if you see them coming. Most likely the build that person is running isn't the best for out in the open combat. Keep them out of stealth and watch them scramble away.

thanks, with this newfound advice I feel ready for pvp

Glad I could help. You definitely weren't ready a minute or two before that screen capture.

Hyssia

Master_Kas wrote: »

You was naked? Luckily I've haven't gotten hit by any surprise attack above 9k this patch.

You sir, got rekt xD

found the guy 5 times later that night, he got _very_ rekt :^)

nerf sorc thread inc

Master_Kas

Hyssia wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

You was naked? Luckily I've haven't gotten hit by any surprise attack above 9k this patch.

You sir, got rekt xD

found the guy 5 times later that night, he got _very_ rekt :^)

nerf sorc thread inc

I want to know how he got that high HA damage tough oO

Btw inb4 lock, you forgot to cover the name xD

Darnathian

In confused. i thought RD is broken and OP? Care to explain why this is okay and RD is not Kena?

lol

KenaPKK

Never said this was ok either, but please, keep making your irrational assumptions.

Vaoh

https://youtu.be/qqxr9npkbHo
Yup, seen enough.... clearly need to buff NB...
(skip to 1:00 if impatient!)

holosoul

Radiant magelight ftw?

Rohamad_Ali

holosoul wrote: »

Radiant magelight ftw?

It may sound like a lame ability but twice tonight , while gathering skyshards and magebooks in Cyrodil on my VR3 Sorc in green gear , I was attacked one on one by VR16 Nightblades . My sorcs VR3 not 4 yet I posted that in error yesterday . Both fights I had inner light up . Both attacks I was in the middle of killing with a Delve boss or tough Trolls when ambushed .

Both fights ended in dead Nightblades . Radiant and inner are both kryptonite to Nightblades stacked for crit quick glass cannon builds . An this time I had my damage bars ready so no draw inconclusive fights tonight like yesterday .

Point remaining , it comes down to the players behind the screen not the class . Of course more versatile build options for all classes would be very welcome but despite a thousand options , it's gonna come down to those that know how to play and adapt .

holosoul

I like radiant since the passive itself provides immunity from both the stun and bonus damage of stealth ... I can't really bring myself to use inner for PVP even if the slight magicka increase is appealing. The basic active ability is clutch to be sure, but the reason I slot it is definitely stealth immunity.

Obviously that 24k heavy attack is a crit from stealth, which he would have survived with 3k crit res and radiant and it probably would have been like (Edit: 3 - 5k) damage. I don't even remember the last time I got hit for 10k by any 1 damage source (Besides VD/prox), maybe a fully buffed/empowered hardest hitting token ability like AB, frags, or WB but it's still really rare.

Hyssia

holosoul wrote: »

I like radiant since the passive itself provides immunity from both the stun and bonus damage of stealth ... I can't really bring myself to use inner for PVP even if the slight magicka increase is appealing. The basic active ability is clutch to be sure, but the reason I slot it is definitely stealth immunity.

Obviously that 24k heavy attack is a crit from stealth, which he would have survived with 3k crit res and radiant and it probably would have been like (Edit: 3 - 5k) damage. I don't even remember the last time I got hit for 10k by any 1 damage source (Besides VD/prox), maybe a fully buffed/empowered hardest hitting token ability like AB, frags, or WB but it's still really rare.

Hitting 10-12k soul harvests on non-blocking/shielded targets with the follow-up passive from two-handed. Never been hit for 27k+ though, not even in 1.6

Junipus

Hyssia wrote: »

holosoul wrote: »

I like radiant since the passive itself provides immunity from both the stun and bonus damage of stealth ... I can't really bring myself to use inner for PVP even if the slight magicka increase is appealing. The basic active ability is clutch to be sure, but the reason I slot it is definitely stealth immunity.

Obviously that 24k heavy attack is a crit from stealth, which he would have survived with 3k crit res and radiant and it probably would have been like (Edit: 3 - 5k) damage. I don't even remember the last time I got hit for 10k by any 1 damage source (Besides VD/prox), maybe a fully buffed/empowered hardest hitting token ability like AB, frags, or WB but it's still really rare.

Hitting 10-12k soul harvests on non-blocking/shielded targets with the follow-up passive from two-handed. Never been hit for 27k+ though, not even in 1.6

With 60 CP into the HA with bow can reach 14k fully charged, crit, stealthed HA. Can't imagine what it could be with 100CP in it and switching to a DK with Molten Armaments

DDuke

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

Hyssia wrote: »

holosoul wrote: »

I like radiant since the passive itself provides immunity from both the stun and bonus damage of stealth ... I can't really bring myself to use inner for PVP even if the slight magicka increase is appealing. The basic active ability is clutch to be sure, but the reason I slot it is definitely stealth immunity.

Obviously that 24k heavy attack is a crit from stealth, which he would have survived with 3k crit res and radiant and it probably would have been like (Edit: 3 - 5k) damage. I don't even remember the last time I got hit for 10k by any 1 damage source (Besides VD/prox), maybe a fully buffed/empowered hardest hitting token ability like AB, frags, or WB but it's still really rare.

Hitting 10-12k soul harvests on non-blocking/shielded targets with the follow-up passive from two-handed. Never been hit for 27k+ though, not even in 1.6

With 60 CP into the HA with bow can reach 14k fully charged, crit, stealthed HA. Can't imagine what it could be with 100CP in it and switching to a DK with Molten Armaments

Why would you put 100 into it? Much better to put 100 into Mighty, which increases the dmg of both the bow light/heavy attacks and the dmg of your abilities as well.

And yeah, DK with Molten Armaments would be... interesting to see


There's a way of adding another +60% to heavy attack damage, but not going to spoil it...

Soulac

Hyssia wrote: »

You had 69 Fps, FAKE!

Hyssia

DDuke wrote: »

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

Hyssia wrote: »

holosoul wrote: »

There's a way of adding another +60% to heavy attack damage, but not going to spoil it...

Go away with your elegant set

Derra

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

You got caught off guard is all. They won't be doing that to you if you see them coming. Most likely the build that person is running isn't the best for out in the open combat. Keep them out of stealth and watch them scramble away.

Let us please celebrate this statement a bit.

We´re all playing a game where you´re absolutely unable to tell when an enemy is coming because literally everyone can permanently be invisible in pvp until they attack you (absolute combat design failure).

If you don´t find the irony in this statement of yours you should possibly train a little less biceps and a little more brains

#lessgainsmorebrains

DDuke

Hyssia wrote: »

Go away with your elegant set

Nono, not elegant... I mean that as a stamina build you can get +60% without slotting any magic sets.

Though it is quite intriguing... you can get up to 120% extra Heavy Attack damage as magicka DK with Elegance+Molten Armaments

Though with current CPs I guess only +110% is realistic. Bummer.

Lyar09

I am not an advocate of nightblade what so ever. Personally, I wish they would delete the entire class haha That being said, the OP is fabricated. I run 7/7 medium with 6 impen and 1 well fitted, have 17k physical resist, 2200 crit resist, 48 points into hardy, and 8% damage mitigation with restoring focus. I've never, I repeat, NEVER come anywhere close to being hit with those numbers. And I've been ganked by sribes, smiff, and zergbad who run max weapon damage gank builds. This post doesn't do any justice and is just trolling.

Zheg

Lyar09 wrote: »

I am not an advocate of nightblade what so ever. Personally, I wish they would delete the entire class haha That being sad, the OP is fabricated. I run 7/7 medium with 6 impen and 1 well fitted, have 17k physical resist, 2200 crit resist, 48 points into hardy, and 8% damage mitigation with restoring focus. I've never, I repeat, NEVER come anywhere close to being hit with those numbers. And I've been ganked by sribes, smiff, and zergbad who run max weapon damage gank builds. This post doesn't do any justice and is just trolling.

@Lyar09 in general I agree, most screenshots I see (of any burst) are far higher than what I get on my death recaps. These particular numbers make me wonder if the old bug from IC where you'd sometimes not have battle spirit is back. Though, let's also not forget zergbad oneshotting fengrush with this exact same combo on video. Stealth mechanics and animation cancelling allow for this kind of garbage.

Lyar09

@Zheg getting one shot isn't difficult. Most empowered bow heavy attacks I've seen hit around 14-17k. I've seen in sribes video that he's gotten up to 25k bow heavies. But, the SA number is concerning.

Also with feng, HA would give him around the resistances I have. You don't really get pushed over the 20-25k resistance numbers till buffed.

I just think this was staged lol the dude in his group is even doing the /playdead emote on top of him in the screenshot. Plus, I've never seen a sorc with 25k physical resist. Just sayin

jello

Pvp in this game is a Bad joke. Feels like laggy egoshooter. A fight for a v5 lasts half a second. Thats no fun except for the v16 who Hits u.

Hyssia

Zheg wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

I am not an advocate of nightblade what so ever. Personally, I wish they would delete the entire class haha That being sad, the OP is fabricated. I run 7/7 medium with 6 impen and 1 well fitted, have 17k physical resist, 2200 crit resist, 48 points into hardy, and 8% damage mitigation with restoring focus. I've never, I repeat, NEVER come anywhere close to being hit with those numbers. And I've been ganked by sribes, smiff, and zergbad who run max weapon damage gank builds. This post doesn't do any justice and is just trolling.

@Lyar09 in general I agree, most screenshots I see (of any burst) are far higher than what I get on my death recaps. These particular numbers make me wonder if the old bug from IC where you'd sometimes not have battle spirit is back. Though, let's also not forget zergbad oneshotting fengrush with this exact same combo on video. Stealth mechanics and animation cancelling allow for this kind of garbage.

Believe what you want, can send you an uncensored picture so you can ask the guy for his build. :^)

Publius_Scipio

Derra wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

You got caught off guard is all. They won't be doing that to you if you see them coming. Most likely the build that person is running isn't the best for out in the open combat. Keep them out of stealth and watch them scramble away.

Let us please celebrate this statement a bit.

We´re all playing a game where you´re absolutely unable to tell when an enemy is coming because literally everyone can permanently be invisible in pvp until they attack you (absolute combat design failure).

If you don´t find the irony in this statement of yours you should possibly train a little less biceps and a little more brains

#lessgainsmorebrains

I witness those invisible armies march across Cyrodiil all the time. I call the police too.

zyk

Whether the damage is legit or not, it's not an NB thing. There are abilities with a greater coeff than SA and there's nothing special about NB heavy attacks, therefore the damage can be more or less replicated by other classes with a similar build.

glavius

Never been hit by even close to these numbers on my nb with 10% hardy and 17k buffed armor.
Highest I remember getting hit for is like 9k surprise attack 12k heavy attack.