i agree.. they even opened offical thread about sorc..And there almost all players says that we are not happy they are not good changes and fair... BUT they dont listen and keep nerfing...:S:S:S

luxfreak wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

i agree.. they even opened offical thread about sorc..And there almost all players says that we are not happy they are not good changes and fair... BUT they dont listen and keep nerfing...:S:S:S

And other People who like this change.
Look at your inbox.

And these other people who like the changes are non-sorc PVPers.
Enough said.

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

luxfreak wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

i agree.. they even opened offical thread about sorc..And there almost all players says that we are not happy they are not good changes and fair... BUT they dont listen and keep nerfing...:S:S:S

And other People who like this change.
Look at your inbox.

You are awash in a sea of those who disagree with you lux, perhaps you should look into the concerns those who disagree are raising, then test them, because it sounds as though you are not considering the entire scope of the problem.

ignorance can be cured, but it must first WANT to be cured

It's a well known core element of Troll psychology to be 'The One' who flies in the face of a large group, regardless of how illogical, obnoxious or self-serving their standpoint.

They get off on it.

But don't take my word for it...

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

When you delete this thread (and the others I have posted), if you then fail to act in answer to the vast number of shocked and outraged Mag. Sorc. players telling you that you have trashed our class on the PTS - then shame on you!

It doesn't work like that. Forums mods will delete whichever threads they think violate the community rules, which has got absolutely nothing to do with the devs acting on anything in response to the Sorc Feedback thread.

Just stop with these repeat threads. You're not going to win anything here. The developers aren't going to listen to someone being unreasonable. And they have no reason to host you or your ideas if you break the rules.

Taisynn wrote: »

Just stop with these repeat threads. You're not going to win anything here. The developers aren't going to listen to someone being unreasonable. And they have no reason to host you or your ideas if you break the rules.

Ah you again... perhaps you should follow your own advice and stop reposting your cartoon...

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Whats the problem with magicka Sorcs? they didnt rly get any nerfs. Still strong as ***. I call l2p

A Templar, DK and NB on your signature and no Sorcerer.

I won't say 'LTP' - but I do feel bound to say that you are a worn out cliché!

Walk in the other person's shoes before you judge.

i play a sorc and you completly overblow the nerfs. sorcs were easy mode they are still very very very strong but now in a more reasonable state. i hate that dual wield sorc is useless now but that has more to do with deto nerf (which sorcs suffer least from magicka builds concerned)
what i hate is that the shield nerf and stam buff will make ganking sooo easy.
What i like is that sorcs will actually have to think about different builds and more builds will become viable. Going all into max magicka (gear+enchants+traits and so on) will not stay the only viable competitive option.
The whole problem i see is that they made stamina dks and nbs just too silly strong which will just hurt the whole small scale environment. (making nbs and dks soo strong that other classes will not be willing to solo because they just will be easy prey for those two)
And stop spamming topics that is just annoying and you should step away from the game if you think this issue is worth all that outrage you think it deservs

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

ginoboehm wrote: »

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Whats the problem with magicka Sorcs? they didnt rly get any nerfs. Still strong as ***. I call l2p

A Templar, DK and NB on your signature and no Sorcerer.

I won't say 'LTP' - but I do feel bound to say that you are a worn out cliché!

Walk in the other person's shoes before you judge.

i play a sorc and you completly overblow the nerfs. sorcs were easy mode they are still very very very strong but now in a more reasonable state. i hate that dual wield sorc is useless now but that has more to do with deto nerf (which sorcs suffer least from magicka builds concerned)
what i hate is that the shield nerf and stam buff will make ganking sooo easy.
What i like is that sorcs will actually have to think about different builds and more builds will become viable. Going all into max magicka (gear+enchants+traits and so on) will not stay the only viable competitive option.
The whole problem i see is that they made stamina dks and nbs just too silly strong which will just hurt the whole small scale environment. (making nbs and dks soo strong that other classes will not be willing to solo because they just will be easy prey for those two)
And stop spamming topics that is just annoying and you should step away from the game if you think this issue is worth all that outrage you think it deservs

Overblown?

Other builds will not become 'viable', they will become necessary. Shortly afterwards they will become redundant as everyone realises how awful they are compared to the other classes.

The reason Mag. Sorcs. got pushed into ever-decreasing builds is because of the many incremental nerfs we have been subject to over time - healing made sub-par, sustain builds falling too far behind on dps. That left is dps cookie-cutting or the 'opportunity' to play another class.

Like rats on a sinking ship we all now populate the only part still above water. This too is now to be inundated with the waters of the nerf...

... and exclusively because of PvP - when this could all have been fixed as part of the Battle Spirit Buff.

If anything is overblown, it's ZOS ham fisted wrecking ball 'fix' methods...

and what do you think other classes in pve are like? the damage of a sorc needs to be increased for pve nothing else matters no shield nerf no surge change all classes run cutting edge max resources builds in group pve content. for every other content beside maelstrom you can freaking run hybrid builds and will do fine. balancing is only for high end pve and pvp content and the only issue sorcs have in those regards is constant high dps (they have one of the best burst power in pvp). that has to be addressed. other classes do not play all into infused /divine max magicka classes in pvp because they can't. no other class was able to be that tanky with no thought given about actually be tanky. we still will be tanky and still will be able to execute very good bursts but now you will actually have to think about game mechanics

ginoboehm wrote: »

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

ginoboehm wrote: »

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Whats the problem with magicka Sorcs? they didnt rly get any nerfs. Still strong as ***. I call l2p

A Templar, DK and NB on your signature and no Sorcerer.

I won't say 'LTP' - but I do feel bound to say that you are a worn out cliché!

Walk in the other person's shoes before you judge.

i play a sorc and you completly overblow the nerfs. sorcs were easy mode they are still very very very strong but now in a more reasonable state. i hate that dual wield sorc is useless now but that has more to do with deto nerf (which sorcs suffer least from magicka builds concerned)
what i hate is that the shield nerf and stam buff will make ganking sooo easy.
What i like is that sorcs will actually have to think about different builds and more builds will become viable. Going all into max magicka (gear+enchants+traits and so on) will not stay the only viable competitive option.
The whole problem i see is that they made stamina dks and nbs just too silly strong which will just hurt the whole small scale environment. (making nbs and dks soo strong that other classes will not be willing to solo because they just will be easy prey for those two)
And stop spamming topics that is just annoying and you should step away from the game if you think this issue is worth all that outrage you think it deservs

Overblown?

Other builds will not become 'viable', they will become necessary. Shortly afterwards they will become redundant as everyone realises how awful they are compared to the other classes.

The reason Mag. Sorcs. got pushed into ever-decreasing builds is because of the many incremental nerfs we have been subject to over time - healing made sub-par, sustain builds falling too far behind on dps. That left is dps cookie-cutting or the 'opportunity' to play another class.

Like rats on a sinking ship we all now populate the only part still above water. This too is now to be inundated with the waters of the nerf...

... and exclusively because of PvP - when this could all have been fixed as part of the Battle Spirit Buff.

If anything is overblown, it's ZOS ham fisted wrecking ball 'fix' methods...

and what do you think other classes in pve are like? the damage of a sorc needs to be increased for pve nothing else matters no shield nerf no surge change all classes run cutting edge max resources builds in group pve content. for every other content beside maelstrom you can freaking run hybrid builds and will do fine. balancing is only for high end pve and pvp content and the only issue sorcs have in those regards is constant high dps (they have one of the best burst power in pvp). that has to be addressed. other classes do not play all into infused /divine max magicka classes in pvp because they can't. no other class was able to be that tanky with no thought given about actually be tanky. we still will be tanky and still will be able to execute very good bursts but now you will actually have to think about game mechanics

It's a shame to think this point of view exists.

Sorcerer's were FORCED into a min-max magicka build paradigm by bad design developments.

WE DIDN'T WANT IT!

To be forced into something because you are not being listened to, and then criticised by other players for being what you were forced into is pretty galling...

You also start off with stating how things are fine with PvE (which they are demonstrably NOT in this patch) and then you change the critique to the PvP changes.

You will find the vast majority of criticism of these changes are PvE-based. PvP is another issue and you are illogically conflating the two.

It really doesn't help.

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

ginoboehm wrote: »

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

ginoboehm wrote: »

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Whats the problem with magicka Sorcs? they didnt rly get any nerfs. Still strong as ***. I call l2p

A Templar, DK and NB on your signature and no Sorcerer.

I won't say 'LTP' - but I do feel bound to say that you are a worn out cliché!

Walk in the other person's shoes before you judge.

i play a sorc and you completly overblow the nerfs. sorcs were easy mode they are still very very very strong but now in a more reasonable state. i hate that dual wield sorc is useless now but that has more to do with deto nerf (which sorcs suffer least from magicka builds concerned)
what i hate is that the shield nerf and stam buff will make ganking sooo easy.
What i like is that sorcs will actually have to think about different builds and more builds will become viable. Going all into max magicka (gear+enchants+traits and so on) will not stay the only viable competitive option.
The whole problem i see is that they made stamina dks and nbs just too silly strong which will just hurt the whole small scale environment. (making nbs and dks soo strong that other classes will not be willing to solo because they just will be easy prey for those two)
And stop spamming topics that is just annoying and you should step away from the game if you think this issue is worth all that outrage you think it deservs

Overblown?

Other builds will not become 'viable', they will become necessary. Shortly afterwards they will become redundant as everyone realises how awful they are compared to the other classes.

The reason Mag. Sorcs. got pushed into ever-decreasing builds is because of the many incremental nerfs we have been subject to over time - healing made sub-par, sustain builds falling too far behind on dps. That left is dps cookie-cutting or the 'opportunity' to play another class.

Like rats on a sinking ship we all now populate the only part still above water. This too is now to be inundated with the waters of the nerf...

... and exclusively because of PvP - when this could all have been fixed as part of the Battle Spirit Buff.

If anything is overblown, it's ZOS ham fisted wrecking ball 'fix' methods...

and what do you think other classes in pve are like? the damage of a sorc needs to be increased for pve nothing else matters no shield nerf no surge change all classes run cutting edge max resources builds in group pve content. for every other content beside maelstrom you can freaking run hybrid builds and will do fine. balancing is only for high end pve and pvp content and the only issue sorcs have in those regards is constant high dps (they have one of the best burst power in pvp). that has to be addressed. other classes do not play all into infused /divine max magicka classes in pvp because they can't. no other class was able to be that tanky with no thought given about actually be tanky. we still will be tanky and still will be able to execute very good bursts but now you will actually have to think about game mechanics

It's a shame to think this point of view exists.

Sorcerer's were FORCED into a min-max magicka build paradigm by bad design developments.

WE DIDN'T WANT IT!

To be forced into something because you are not being listened to, and then criticised by other players for being what you were forced into is pretty galling...

You also start off with stating how things are fine with PvE (which they are demonstrably NOT in this patch) and then you change the critique to the PvP changes.

You will find the vast majority of criticism of these changes are PvE-based. PvP is another issue and you are illogically conflating the two.

It really doesn't help.

what content (in exactly which content for example dungeon XYZ) is now a problem for you which was not a problem before patch?

ginoboehm wrote: »

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

ginoboehm wrote: »

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

ginoboehm wrote: »

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Whats the problem with magicka Sorcs? they didnt rly get any nerfs. Still strong as ***. I call l2p

A Templar, DK and NB on your signature and no Sorcerer.

I won't say 'LTP' - but I do feel bound to say that you are a worn out cliché!

Walk in the other person's shoes before you judge.

i play a sorc and you completly overblow the nerfs. sorcs were easy mode they are still very very very strong but now in a more reasonable state. i hate that dual wield sorc is useless now but that has more to do with deto nerf (which sorcs suffer least from magicka builds concerned)
what i hate is that the shield nerf and stam buff will make ganking sooo easy.
What i like is that sorcs will actually have to think about different builds and more builds will become viable. Going all into max magicka (gear+enchants+traits and so on) will not stay the only viable competitive option.
The whole problem i see is that they made stamina dks and nbs just too silly strong which will just hurt the whole small scale environment. (making nbs and dks soo strong that other classes will not be willing to solo because they just will be easy prey for those two)
And stop spamming topics that is just annoying and you should step away from the game if you think this issue is worth all that outrage you think it deservs

Overblown?

Other builds will not become 'viable', they will become necessary. Shortly afterwards they will become redundant as everyone realises how awful they are compared to the other classes.

The reason Mag. Sorcs. got pushed into ever-decreasing builds is because of the many incremental nerfs we have been subject to over time - healing made sub-par, sustain builds falling too far behind on dps. That left is dps cookie-cutting or the 'opportunity' to play another class.

Like rats on a sinking ship we all now populate the only part still above water. This too is now to be inundated with the waters of the nerf...

... and exclusively because of PvP - when this could all have been fixed as part of the Battle Spirit Buff.

If anything is overblown, it's ZOS ham fisted wrecking ball 'fix' methods...

and what do you think other classes in pve are like? the damage of a sorc needs to be increased for pve nothing else matters no shield nerf no surge change all classes run cutting edge max resources builds in group pve content. for every other content beside maelstrom you can freaking run hybrid builds and will do fine. balancing is only for high end pve and pvp content and the only issue sorcs have in those regards is constant high dps (they have one of the best burst power in pvp). that has to be addressed. other classes do not play all into infused /divine max magicka classes in pvp because they can't. no other class was able to be that tanky with no thought given about actually be tanky. we still will be tanky and still will be able to execute very good bursts but now you will actually have to think about game mechanics

It's a shame to think this point of view exists.

Sorcerer's were FORCED into a min-max magicka build paradigm by bad design developments.

WE DIDN'T WANT IT!

To be forced into something because you are not being listened to, and then criticised by other players for being what you were forced into is pretty galling...

You also start off with stating how things are fine with PvE (which they are demonstrably NOT in this patch) and then you change the critique to the PvP changes.

You will find the vast majority of criticism of these changes are PvE-based. PvP is another issue and you are illogically conflating the two.

It really doesn't help.

what content (in exactly which content for example dungeon XYZ) is now a problem for you which was not a problem before patch?

It's kind of a big deal when you have your primary defensive skill reduced to 6 second duration. Then the key defensive skill is mad available to ALL classes and MAG/STA builds.

Maybe Dark Cloak will be homogenized soon and we will all be able to cloak.


STA sorcs are a mess, even after the "buffs"