PTS VET Sanctum Ophidia

Jaanpw · May 2016

Just wanted to give a shout out to all you folks at ZOS, especially @ZOS_Finn. Great job on making Sanctum Ophidia challenging again. Our group spent a bit of time going toe to toe with the Mantikora. We got him down to 69% in 2 rotations. 38.5 million hit points! I am sure if we spent more time we would have seen what other surprises were in store for us after the Mantikora. We did end up regrouping and pushing through normal mode. At first I had mixed feelings. It seems easy than the regular SO that is currently live. I think this is a very good move to introduce players that are new to trials and don't know exactly what to expect. It also gives them a chance to get some unique drops. Thank you very much for all your hard work. I can't wait to see if/when you make some similar changes to AA and HRC.

PS
One bug that several group members got was audio cutting completely out.
It seemed to be linked to when warhorn was cast. It was on both 32 and 64bit.

ZOS_Finn · May 2016

Thanks! Great feedback. I will pass on the report to the Gameplay team to take a look at.

andy_s · May 2016

I still hope the developers will continue to focus on new trials rather than feeding us with slightly revamped old stuff for the 3rd time already

Alcast · May 2016

andy.s wrote: »

I still hope the developers will continue to focus on new trials rather than feeding us with slightly revamped old stuff for the 3rd time already

On the other hand tho, I couldnt really digest a new trial yet. Still way too busy with vMoL.
I would love to see vDSA revamped or a new arena

calia1120 · May 2016

@ZOS_Finn Another thing to mention - on vet mode, while in the lobby, you can't get out the door into Craglorn. Door worked fine in normal mode.

pretzl · May 2016

Alcast wrote: »

andy.s wrote: »

I still hope the developers will continue to focus on new trials rather than feeding us with slightly revamped old stuff for the 3rd time already

On the other hand tho, I couldnt really digest a new trial yet. Still way too busy with vMoL.
I would love to see vDSA revamped or a new arena

2man vMSA pls.
vDSA revamped would be amazing. Having to find new tactics, perfecting runs, harder content. I'd love that!

OrphanHelgen · May 2016

how is the loot difference from normal to vet and how does the drop rate works?

Dunkmeister · May 2016

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

how is the loot difference from normal to vet and how does the drop rate works?

When we ran the normal, we got all the trial sets (vicious, infallible, etc) along with the regular sets (elegance, viper, etc) from all the bosses on normal. Only ran it once, so dont know if loot is set on a timer like MoL.

Drazorious · May 2016

@Dunkmeister was the loot BoE

Dunkmeister · May 2016

Drazorious wrote: »

@Dunkmeister was the loot BoE

Regular sets were BoE, trial sets were BoP.

Drazorious · May 2016

Did you find any jewelry for the regular sets?

calia1120 · May 2016

@Drazorious , someone got a Dreugh King necklace along the way, so yes, can confirm that.

LadyNalcarya · May 2016

Alcast wrote: »

andy.s wrote: »

I still hope the developers will continue to focus on new trials rather than feeding us with slightly revamped old stuff for the 3rd time already

On the other hand tho, I couldnt really digest a new trial yet. Still way too busy with vMoL.
I would love to see vDSA revamped or a new arena

This!
Zos, please update DSA in the next patch

ZOS_Finn · May 2016

calia1120 wrote: »

@ZOS_Finn Another thing to mention - on vet mode, while in the lobby, you can't get out the door into Craglorn. Door worked fine in normal mode.

Yep! We saw that too after it went to PTS. It should be fixed in the next patch.

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

how is the loot difference from normal to vet and how does the drop rate works?

You should get a set piece 100% of the time when killing a boss. In normal, you will get a BoE revamp of the old sets 80% of the time and a BoP Trial set 20% of the time. In Veteran, you will get a BoP 80% of the time and a BoE 20% of the time.

There is no timer involved. Also, the Bannerman and Troll monsters have a chance to drop one of the pieces of the sets as well (in this case, feet).

timidobserver · May 2016

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

calia1120 wrote: »

@ZOS_Finn Another thing to mention - on vet mode, while in the lobby, you can't get out the door into Craglorn. Door worked fine in normal mode.

Yep! We saw that too after it went to PTS. It should be fixed in the next patch.

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

how is the loot difference from normal to vet and how does the drop rate works?

You should get a set piece 100% of the time when killing a boss. In normal, you will get a BoE revamp of the old sets 80% of the time and a BoP Trial set 20% of the time. In Veteran, you will get a BoP 80% of the time and a BoE 20% of the time.

There is no timer involved. Also, the Bannerman and Troll monsters have a chance to drop one of the pieces of the sets as well (in this case, feet).

@ZOS_Finn

I feel like Vet mode should be more profitable than normal mode in terms of gold made. You should add a chance to get a boe and a bop in vet mode that way people doing vet aren't making less gold from selling the boe gear. At the very least make the last 2 bosses of Vet Maw and Vet SO have a chance to drop a boe and a bop.

For example, I spent an enormous amount of time on Vet Maw and finally completed it, but I have only done normal 2 or 3 times. I have gotten very few boe pieces to sell from vet, which means that it costs me gold to do vet maw. If I were doing normal I would be getting more stuff to sell.

Drazorious · May 2016

@ZOS_Finn Do the revamped sets have jewelry with them? What about the Trial sets?

Paulington · May 2016

timidobserver wrote: »

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

calia1120 wrote: »

@ZOS_Finn Another thing to mention - on vet mode, while in the lobby, you can't get out the door into Craglorn. Door worked fine in normal mode.

Yep! We saw that too after it went to PTS. It should be fixed in the next patch.

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

how is the loot difference from normal to vet and how does the drop rate works?

You should get a set piece 100% of the time when killing a boss. In normal, you will get a BoE revamp of the old sets 80% of the time and a BoP Trial set 20% of the time. In Veteran, you will get a BoP 80% of the time and a BoE 20% of the time.

There is no timer involved. Also, the Bannerman and Troll monsters have a chance to drop one of the pieces of the sets as well (in this case, feet).

@ZOS_Finn

I feel like Vet mode should be more profitable than normal mode in terms of gold made. You should add a chance to get a boe and a bop in vet mode that way people doing vet aren't making less gold from selling the boe gear. At the very least make the last 2 bosses of Vet Maw and Vet SO have a chance to drop a boe and a bop.

For example, I spent an enormous amount of time on Vet Maw and finally completed it, but I have only done normal 2 or 3 times. I have gotten very few boe pieces to sell from vet, which means that it costs me gold to do vet maw. If I were doing normal I would be getting more stuff to sell.

Running end-game Trial content has no way of being profitable for sure. Let's take PvP for example where if you farm enough AP you can sell things that always earn you gold, time spent equals money earned. In Trials we just do not have this and instead it costs us money to run the best content in the game, slightly unfair.

My suggestion is something like Akaviri in PvP, why not with every Trial that releases make a motif to go with it?

For example, make it so the Dro-M'Athra motif can be obtained by running the Veteran Maw of Lorkhaj, maybe a token system where we can exchange said tokens for motif chapters (or the whole book) and this can only be obtained by running the Veteran version of the trial at CP160 scale. In Sanctum Ophidia we could have the Yokudan motif drop instead. This would provide guaranteed income for end-game Trial guild and also give us something exclusive where if we don't want to sell it, only the best can earn it.

Make raiding more profitable please @ZOS_Finn.

DDuke · May 2016

Some feedback on gear:

Most stamina builds I know are more excited for the BoE Viper set than the BoP Vicious Ophidian.

This is mostly because the 8% cost reduction from Vicious Ophidian 5-piece isn't that useful in PvE, where as Viper 5-piece is atleast a 5% DPS increase in the worst case (8k tooltip, 4 second cooldown=2k DPS before counting crits/mitigation).

I believe Vicious Ophidian could use a little more "oomph" to make people want to run for it (rather than Viper).

The light armor set seems fine and having atleast one person with it will be very beneficial.

Heavy armor set still suffers from the enormous 20 minute cooldown on the 5-piece.

timidobserver · May 2016

Paulington wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

calia1120 wrote: »

@ZOS_Finn Another thing to mention - on vet mode, while in the lobby, you can't get out the door into Craglorn. Door worked fine in normal mode.

Yep! We saw that too after it went to PTS. It should be fixed in the next patch.

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

how is the loot difference from normal to vet and how does the drop rate works?

You should get a set piece 100% of the time when killing a boss. In normal, you will get a BoE revamp of the old sets 80% of the time and a BoP Trial set 20% of the time. In Veteran, you will get a BoP 80% of the time and a BoE 20% of the time.

There is no timer involved. Also, the Bannerman and Troll monsters have a chance to drop one of the pieces of the sets as well (in this case, feet).

@ZOS_Finn

I feel like Vet mode should be more profitable than normal mode in terms of gold made. You should add a chance to get a boe and a bop in vet mode that way people doing vet aren't making less gold from selling the boe gear. At the very least make the last 2 bosses of Vet Maw and Vet SO have a chance to drop a boe and a bop.

For example, I spent an enormous amount of time on Vet Maw and finally completed it, but I have only done normal 2 or 3 times. I have gotten very few boe pieces to sell from vet, which means that it costs me gold to do vet maw. If I were doing normal I would be getting more stuff to sell.

Running end-game Trial content has no way of being profitable for sure. Let's take PvP for example where if you farm enough AP you can sell things that always earn you gold, time spent equals money earned. In Trials we just do not have this and instead it costs us money to run the best content in the game, slightly unfair.

My suggestion is something like Akaviri in PvP, why not with every Trial that releases make a motif to go with it?

For example, make it so the Dro-M'Athra motif can be obtained by running the Veteran Maw of Lorkhaj, maybe a token system where we can exchange said tokens for motif chapters (or the whole book) and this can only be obtained by running the Veteran version of the trial at CP160 scale. In Sanctum Ophidia we could have the Yokudan motif drop instead. This would provide guaranteed income for end-game Trial guild and also give us something exclusive where if we don't want to sell it, only the best can earn it.

Make raiding more profitable please @ZOS_Finn.

This sounds good for the future, but my feedback is based around the dark brotherhood release. Adjusting the loot drops so that Vet SO provides boe and bop drops on boss kills is something they can easily do before it goes live.
I doubt that a full token system and two new motifs will be implemented before it goes live.

Mix · May 2016

I don't think trials should be a way to make gold. You should do trials for the challenge and the fun of it. We already have some BoE gear drops (which is nice) but in no case should Trial gear be BoE. To get Trial gear you have to run a Trial (weekly or otherwise) and I think that is fair. I wouldn't be mad if there were BoP PvP gear so that you actually had to PvP to get them - and I have bought several so called PvP sets in the past because I don't really PvP and they happened to be best for PvE at the time, but if I had to go earn that gear I would've done that too. I bought it because that was faster/easier than going to go get it myself.

IF ZoS wants to increase the gold players make (or even out the cost of repairs/potions/food/soul gems/etc that players use in trials) is to add more gold per player/boss kill or chance at high gold value trash you can vendor, but only off boss or boss-type mobs to prevent people from just going in to farm gold all day. Maybe they could increase the weekly reward as a means to give you profit? Gold is pretty easy to get in the game already and there aren't that many gold sinks so....they cannot and should not give a player too much extra reward on top of the BoP trial gear and BoE set gear they already get.

Docmandu · May 2016

Mix wrote: »

I don't think trials should be a way to make gold. You should do trials for the challenge and the fun of it. We already have some BoE gear drops (which is nice) but in no case should Trial gear be BoE. To get Trial gear you have to run a Trial (weekly or otherwise) and I think that is fair. I wouldn't be mad if there were BoP PvP gear so that you actually had to PvP to get them - and I have bought several so called PvP sets in the past because I don't really PvP and they happened to be best for PvE at the time, but if I had to go earn that gear I would've done that too. I bought it because that was faster/easier than going to go get it myself.

IF ZoS wants to increase the gold players make (or even out the cost of repairs/potions/food/soul gems/etc that players use in trials) is to add more gold per player/boss kill or chance at high gold value trash you can vendor, but only off boss or boss-type mobs to prevent people from just going in to farm gold all day. Maybe they could increase the weekly reward as a means to give you profit? Gold is pretty easy to get in the game already and there aren't that many gold sinks so....they cannot and should not give a player too much extra reward on top of the BoP trial gear and BoE set gear they already get.

To buy BoE gear, you also have to play the game, ie earn gold via trading / killing stuff or trading with a buddy / guildie... just like having to run Trials or PvP.. it's just a different activity, but it's still playing the game.

I hate BoP, worst thing to ever be added to MMOs.. the only good thing about it is that it f'cks up sweat shops selling gold / gear.

DDuke · May 2016

Docmandu wrote: »

Mix wrote: »

I don't think trials should be a way to make gold. You should do trials for the challenge and the fun of it. We already have some BoE gear drops (which is nice) but in no case should Trial gear be BoE. To get Trial gear you have to run a Trial (weekly or otherwise) and I think that is fair. I wouldn't be mad if there were BoP PvP gear so that you actually had to PvP to get them - and I have bought several so called PvP sets in the past because I don't really PvP and they happened to be best for PvE at the time, but if I had to go earn that gear I would've done that too. I bought it because that was faster/easier than going to go get it myself.

IF ZoS wants to increase the gold players make (or even out the cost of repairs/potions/food/soul gems/etc that players use in trials) is to add more gold per player/boss kill or chance at high gold value trash you can vendor, but only off boss or boss-type mobs to prevent people from just going in to farm gold all day. Maybe they could increase the weekly reward as a means to give you profit? Gold is pretty easy to get in the game already and there aren't that many gold sinks so....they cannot and should not give a player too much extra reward on top of the BoP trial gear and BoE set gear they already get.

To buy BoE gear, you also have to play the game, ie earn gold via trading / killing stuff or trading with a buddy / guildie... just like having to run Trials or PvP.. it's just a different activity, but it's still playing the game.

I hate BoP, worst thing to ever be added to MMOs.. the only good thing about it is that it f'cks up sweat shops selling gold / gear.

There's a wee difference between grinding IC Sewers or running around picking flowers (or even purchasing gold online, so much for "playing the game") - and doing something actually difficult & challenging.

If you can't beat certain content, then you don't deserve the rewards associated with it. End of story.

I only wish the BoP rewards were more worth running for to match the content difficulty.

Only change to BoP I'd like to see is a group loot system or some kind of possibility to distribute the loot between group members.

pretzl · May 2016

DDuke wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Mix wrote: »

I don't think trials should be a way to make gold. You should do trials for the challenge and the fun of it. We already have some BoE gear drops (which is nice) but in no case should Trial gear be BoE. To get Trial gear you have to run a Trial (weekly or otherwise) and I think that is fair. I wouldn't be mad if there were BoP PvP gear so that you actually had to PvP to get them - and I have bought several so called PvP sets in the past because I don't really PvP and they happened to be best for PvE at the time, but if I had to go earn that gear I would've done that too. I bought it because that was faster/easier than going to go get it myself.

IF ZoS wants to increase the gold players make (or even out the cost of repairs/potions/food/soul gems/etc that players use in trials) is to add more gold per player/boss kill or chance at high gold value trash you can vendor, but only off boss or boss-type mobs to prevent people from just going in to farm gold all day. Maybe they could increase the weekly reward as a means to give you profit? Gold is pretty easy to get in the game already and there aren't that many gold sinks so....they cannot and should not give a player too much extra reward on top of the BoP trial gear and BoE set gear they already get.

To buy BoE gear, you also have to play the game, ie earn gold via trading / killing stuff or trading with a buddy / guildie... just like having to run Trials or PvP.. it's just a different activity, but it's still playing the game.

I hate BoP, worst thing to ever be added to MMOs.. the only good thing about it is that it f'cks up sweat shops selling gold / gear.

There's a wee difference between grinding IC Sewers or running around picking flowers (or even purchasing gold online, so much for "playing the game") - and doing something actually difficult & challenging.

If you can't beat certain content, then you don't deserve the rewards associated with it. End of story.

I only wish the BoP rewards were more worth running for to match the content difficulty.

Only change to BoP I'd like to see is a group loot system or some kind of possibility to distribute the loot between group members.

I wish I could press Agree and Awesome atleast 100 times each.
Hard content should reward better sets. The fact that trial sets are being surpassed by craftable sets is mildy put disgusting.
Group-bound loot would be amazing. I might finally be able to get a Master's Bow after 700+ vDSA runs. They always drop for teammates, but never for me...

Docmandu · May 2016

DDuke wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Mix wrote: »

I don't think trials should be a way to make gold. You should do trials for the challenge and the fun of it. We already have some BoE gear drops (which is nice) but in no case should Trial gear be BoE. To get Trial gear you have to run a Trial (weekly or otherwise) and I think that is fair. I wouldn't be mad if there were BoP PvP gear so that you actually had to PvP to get them - and I have bought several so called PvP sets in the past because I don't really PvP and they happened to be best for PvE at the time, but if I had to go earn that gear I would've done that too. I bought it because that was faster/easier than going to go get it myself.

IF ZoS wants to increase the gold players make (or even out the cost of repairs/potions/food/soul gems/etc that players use in trials) is to add more gold per player/boss kill or chance at high gold value trash you can vendor, but only off boss or boss-type mobs to prevent people from just going in to farm gold all day. Maybe they could increase the weekly reward as a means to give you profit? Gold is pretty easy to get in the game already and there aren't that many gold sinks so....they cannot and should not give a player too much extra reward on top of the BoP trial gear and BoE set gear they already get.

To buy BoE gear, you also have to play the game, ie earn gold via trading / killing stuff or trading with a buddy / guildie... just like having to run Trials or PvP.. it's just a different activity, but it's still playing the game.

I hate BoP, worst thing to ever be added to MMOs.. the only good thing about it is that it f'cks up sweat shops selling gold / gear.

There's a wee difference between grinding IC Sewers or running around picking flowers (or even purchasing gold online, so much for "playing the game") - and doing something actually difficult & challenging.

If you can't beat certain content, then you don't deserve the rewards associated with it. End of story.

I only wish the BoP rewards were more worth running for to match the content difficulty.

Only change to BoP I'd like to see is a group loot system or some kind of possibility to distribute the loot between group members.

The point of the game is to have fun... if somebody likes to "run around picking flowers", so be it.. let them pick 500.000 flowers and reward them for it.

I'm quite ok for the trial being the best way to obtain the trial gear... but I'm a fan of options, so what if somebody can pick 500.000 flowers and get that trial piece.. does that somehow hurt your gameplay?

Heck, saw on reddit a guy levelling 1-VR1 without killing a single mob.. that's as much as an accomplishment, than running a trial or farming people in PvP. So why can't that guy get something nice out of it?!

People are too much focussed on their e-peen imho.

DDuke · May 2016

Docmandu wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Mix wrote: »

I don't think trials should be a way to make gold. You should do trials for the challenge and the fun of it. We already have some BoE gear drops (which is nice) but in no case should Trial gear be BoE. To get Trial gear you have to run a Trial (weekly or otherwise) and I think that is fair. I wouldn't be mad if there were BoP PvP gear so that you actually had to PvP to get them - and I have bought several so called PvP sets in the past because I don't really PvP and they happened to be best for PvE at the time, but if I had to go earn that gear I would've done that too. I bought it because that was faster/easier than going to go get it myself.

IF ZoS wants to increase the gold players make (or even out the cost of repairs/potions/food/soul gems/etc that players use in trials) is to add more gold per player/boss kill or chance at high gold value trash you can vendor, but only off boss or boss-type mobs to prevent people from just going in to farm gold all day. Maybe they could increase the weekly reward as a means to give you profit? Gold is pretty easy to get in the game already and there aren't that many gold sinks so....they cannot and should not give a player too much extra reward on top of the BoP trial gear and BoE set gear they already get.

To buy BoE gear, you also have to play the game, ie earn gold via trading / killing stuff or trading with a buddy / guildie... just like having to run Trials or PvP.. it's just a different activity, but it's still playing the game.

I hate BoP, worst thing to ever be added to MMOs.. the only good thing about it is that it f'cks up sweat shops selling gold / gear.

There's a wee difference between grinding IC Sewers or running around picking flowers (or even purchasing gold online, so much for "playing the game") - and doing something actually difficult & challenging.

If you can't beat certain content, then you don't deserve the rewards associated with it. End of story.

I only wish the BoP rewards were more worth running for to match the content difficulty.

Only change to BoP I'd like to see is a group loot system or some kind of possibility to distribute the loot between group members.

The point of the game is to have fun...

We agree here.

Guess what's fun? Doing something special that others can't do & being rewarded for it.

Guess what's not fun: doing something special that others can't do & then not being rewarded for it any more than the average Joe who collected 500 000 flowers, which is something everyone can do regardless of their skill level.

Yes, "e-peen"... call it what you want - it's what makes MMOs gaming interesting to many people.

Docmandu · May 2016

DDuke wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Mix wrote: »

I don't think trials should be a way to make gold. You should do trials for the challenge and the fun of it. We already have some BoE gear drops (which is nice) but in no case should Trial gear be BoE. To get Trial gear you have to run a Trial (weekly or otherwise) and I think that is fair. I wouldn't be mad if there were BoP PvP gear so that you actually had to PvP to get them - and I have bought several so called PvP sets in the past because I don't really PvP and they happened to be best for PvE at the time, but if I had to go earn that gear I would've done that too. I bought it because that was faster/easier than going to go get it myself.

IF ZoS wants to increase the gold players make (or even out the cost of repairs/potions/food/soul gems/etc that players use in trials) is to add more gold per player/boss kill or chance at high gold value trash you can vendor, but only off boss or boss-type mobs to prevent people from just going in to farm gold all day. Maybe they could increase the weekly reward as a means to give you profit? Gold is pretty easy to get in the game already and there aren't that many gold sinks so....they cannot and should not give a player too much extra reward on top of the BoP trial gear and BoE set gear they already get.

To buy BoE gear, you also have to play the game, ie earn gold via trading / killing stuff or trading with a buddy / guildie... just like having to run Trials or PvP.. it's just a different activity, but it's still playing the game.

I hate BoP, worst thing to ever be added to MMOs.. the only good thing about it is that it f'cks up sweat shops selling gold / gear.

There's a wee difference between grinding IC Sewers or running around picking flowers (or even purchasing gold online, so much for "playing the game") - and doing something actually difficult & challenging.

If you can't beat certain content, then you don't deserve the rewards associated with it. End of story.

I only wish the BoP rewards were more worth running for to match the content difficulty.

Only change to BoP I'd like to see is a group loot system or some kind of possibility to distribute the loot between group members.

The point of the game is to have fun...

We agree here.

Guess what's fun? Doing something special that others can't do & being rewarded for it.

Guess what's not fun: doing something special that others can't do & then not being rewarded for it any more than the average Joe who collected 500 000 flowers, which is something everyone can do regardless of their skill level.

Yes, "e-peen"... call it what you want - it's what makes MMOs gaming interesting to many people.

Sad.. isn't it!

NTclaymore · May 2016

I think BoP is bad. I dont get why you would say that your not allowed to get the gear from some content you cant beat. I can understand it in vMA where the fault is clearly yours. but in content where your skills could be good but the skills of others makes your progress inposible or that you just dont like playing in groups. Secondly what gives you the right to deside whats right and wrong? if some people find it fun spending ages collecting flowers for 1 piece of gear a good group can get in a few hours then its their choice. Aslong as the challenging contest is the fastest (not easiest, fastest) way of getting the gear i see no problem with BoE.

f047ys3v3n · May 2016

This one is excited about revitalized SO and also hears the revitalized sets are good.

Woeler · May 2016

Mix wrote: »

I don't think trials should be a way to make gold. You should do trials for the challenge and the fun of it. We already have some BoE gear drops (which is nice) but in no case should Trial gear be BoE. To get Trial gear you have to run a Trial (weekly or otherwise) and I think that is fair. I wouldn't be mad if there were BoP PvP gear so that you actually had to PvP to get them - and I have bought several so called PvP sets in the past because I don't really PvP and they happened to be best for PvE at the time, but if I had to go earn that gear I would've done that too. I bought it because that was faster/easier than going to go get it myself.

IF ZoS wants to increase the gold players make (or even out the cost of repairs/potions/food/soul gems/etc that players use in trials) is to add more gold per player/boss kill or chance at high gold value trash you can vendor, but only off boss or boss-type mobs to prevent people from just going in to farm gold all day. Maybe they could increase the weekly reward as a means to give you profit? Gold is pretty easy to get in the game already and there aren't that many gold sinks so....they cannot and should not give a player too much extra reward on top of the BoP trial gear and BoE set gear they already get.

Sure man, are you going to pay for those +-20k pots you blow on a raid night?

Nifty2g · May 2016

Woeler wrote: »

Mix wrote: »

I don't think trials should be a way to make gold. You should do trials for the challenge and the fun of it. We already have some BoE gear drops (which is nice) but in no case should Trial gear be BoE. To get Trial gear you have to run a Trial (weekly or otherwise) and I think that is fair. I wouldn't be mad if there were BoP PvP gear so that you actually had to PvP to get them - and I have bought several so called PvP sets in the past because I don't really PvP and they happened to be best for PvE at the time, but if I had to go earn that gear I would've done that too. I bought it because that was faster/easier than going to go get it myself.

IF ZoS wants to increase the gold players make (or even out the cost of repairs/potions/food/soul gems/etc that players use in trials) is to add more gold per player/boss kill or chance at high gold value trash you can vendor, but only off boss or boss-type mobs to prevent people from just going in to farm gold all day. Maybe they could increase the weekly reward as a means to give you profit? Gold is pretty easy to get in the game already and there aren't that many gold sinks so....they cannot and should not give a player too much extra reward on top of the BoP trial gear and BoE set gear they already get.

Sure man, are you going to pay for those +-20k pots you blow on a raid night?

Lmao people with this mentality tho
These raids require you to be in full Best in Slot gear, upgraded to gold doing as much damage as possible, that alone costs so *** much, and now most of us are remaking gear next patch.
We spend like 200 potions per raid night because of this crap too, we constantly need to change Champion Points around

But hey *** us, we don't deserve any gold and we don't deserve to giving our in game achievement rewards to the market to those who are unable to get in a group to run these dungeons.

We're just worthless elitists