magicka nightblade thieves guild question

ng2084b14_ESO · May 2016

I have magicka nightblade (attribute point is in half health and half magicka) but the problem is do i need to go medium armor to be able to sneak better but light armor is best suited for magicka nightblade. I need to know whether the type armor effect in doing thieves guild quest (main and side quests). Or it does not matter.

Fallen_Ray · May 2016

Medium armor only helps with stamina based builds due to the stamina recovery bonus, weapon criticals and weapon damage. It does have a passive to reduce stamina consumption on sneaking but you can get that too with the ledgermain skill tree.

That being said, if you're a magicka nightblade go for full light armor or at least 5 light 2 heavy or 5 light 1 heavy and 1 medium if you want the undaunted's passive bonus.

EDIT: Armor type doesn't affect your sneaking at all unlike in other Elder Scrolls games.

susmitds · May 2016

Fallen_Ray wrote: »

Medium armor only helps with stamina based builds due to the stamina recovery bonus, weapon criticals and weapon damage. It does have a passive to reduce stamina consumption on sneaking but you can get that too with the ledgermain skill tree.

That being said, if you're a magicka nightblade go for full light armor or at least 5 light 2 heavy or 5 light 1 heavy and 1 medium if you want the undaunted's passive bonus.

EDIT: Armor type doesn't affect your sneaking at all unlike in other Elder Scrolls games.

Wrong. Medium armor reduces the sneak radius by good amount. This is a great deal, if you want to be sneak type without cloaking.

s7732425ub17_ESO · May 2016

Most of the Thieves Guild quests involve sneaking and no combat if done correctly. This means that you can have a full medium armor set when doing all the sneaky sneaky stuff and then switch back to your light armor when it comes time for combat. Even if you do get caught while sneaking, it's usually just one mob which is very easy to kill.

Bonzodog01 · May 2016

In addition to whats been said, there is a 2 trait set with a 5 piece passive that allows full speed running whilst hidden called "Night's silence". However, its other bonuses are for stamina and Weapon Damage.

In my opinion, a Stamina Nightblade would be the one char/setup that would excel in this and the next update.

I have now rolled a Wood Elf Stamina Nightblade, with all medium armor passives ticked, Legerdemain all points, and the wood elf sneak passives, with the above set, and even put points in the thief tree that adds to stealth. I now have a character that is very easy to hide, can move at full speed whilst hidden, and has a ton of stamina, and no loss of stamina from stealth.

brandonv516 · May 2016

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

In addition to whats been said, there is a 2 trait set with a 5 piece passive that allows full speed running whilst hidden called "Night's silence". However, its other bonuses are for stamina and Weapon Damage.

In my opinion, a Stamina Nightblade would be the one char/setup that would excel in this and the next update.

I have now rolled a Wood Elf Stamina Nightblade, with all medium armor passives ticked, Legerdemain all points, and the wood elf sneak passives, with the above set, and even put points in the thief tree that adds to stealth. I now have a character that is very easy to hide, can move at full speed whilst hidden, and has a ton of stamina, and no loss of stamina from stealth.

That's cool until you engage in combat and can't sneak away without using cloak, but you can only use that a couple times on stamina build. I'd go back to stamina build if they gave a stamina based morph of cloak.

ng2084b14_ESO · May 2016

This does not make sense so in order to do thieves guild quests you need to wear medium armor for the passives? I thought dlc is open for all the builds.

Prabooo · May 2016

you just need to cloak

emily3989 · May 2016

I am a mag nb. I have 7 light armor.

I have no stat points, glyphs, enchantments, or CP in anything stamina based.

I can sneak almost indefinitely with all the passives for legerdemain and TG. I have completed everything in TG and all achievements (sans MOL) with this build easily.

Also, having the perma-cloak makes heists very easy as well.

I made some lower lvl nights silence armor for TG, but am stage 4 vamp now so it is collecting dust in the bank.

code65536 · May 2016

You don't need medium armor. But it sure makes things easier.

All my magicka characters have a set of medium armor Night's Silence in their bags for the sneak speed and the stealth buffs, and I've been doing this long before Thieves Guild was even announced. As someone mentioned, crime in this game doesn't involve combat, and having a medium armor thieving set--while certainly not required--is a great convenience.

Also, all that you lose, really, is the magicka sustain. All my attribute points are still magicka, my thief armor is enchanted with all magicka, I can still cloak-spam a good long distance, and I can still engage in combat. (I often wear a costume over my armor, and I sometimes forget to switch back to my light armor DPS set when I leave town; you won't be as effective in combat in medium armor, but it's not like you're helpless.)

Fallen_Ray · May 2016

susmitds wrote: »

Fallen_Ray wrote: »

Medium armor only helps with stamina based builds due to the stamina recovery bonus, weapon criticals and weapon damage. It does have a passive to reduce stamina consumption on sneaking but you can get that too with the ledgermain skill tree.

That being said, if you're a magicka nightblade go for full light armor or at least 5 light 2 heavy or 5 light 1 heavy and 1 medium if you want the undaunted's passive bonus.

EDIT: Armor type doesn't affect your sneaking at all unlike in other Elder Scrolls games.

Wrong. Medium armor reduces the sneak radius by good amount. This is a great deal, if you want to be sneak type without cloaking.

Which would require at least 5 piece to get a decent bonus, but for a magicka nightblade with an inmense magicka amount why would using medium for that sneaking passive be any good? Spamming cloak does the job. Let's be honest which magicka nightblade doesn't use cloak in an area that requires sneaking?

Lenikus · May 2016

Why do you have points in health ? ;3
that's silly.

emily3989 · May 2016

Lenikus wrote: »

Why do you have points in health ? ;3
that's silly.

Not if you are a solo player. Not everyone uses a group meta build concept.

For example, soloing craglorn is a bit easier with some extra health in the pool, esp. since you don't have someone spamming heals on you the entire time.

code65536 · May 2016

emily3989 wrote: »

Lenikus wrote: »

Why do you have points in health ? ;3
that's silly.

Not if you are a solo player. Not everyone uses a group meta build concept.

For example, soloing craglorn is a bit easier with some extra health in the pool, esp. since you don't have someone spamming heals on you the entire time.

Uh, if you are a magicka nightblade or magicka templar (or, to a lesser extent, a mag or stam sorc with Surge up), then, yes, you do have someone spamming heals on you the entire time: you.

My magblade has soloed vMA and all the Hew's Bane and Orsinium world bosses with zero attribute points in health and zero health enchantments on my armor.

idk · May 2016

There is a magika set (cannot recall name ATM) that at 5 PC it eliminates the stealth speed penalty. Also has one slot stam regen. Makes going around sneaking easier on a magika character.

Additionally of when not in actual sneak using the NB stealth skill to move around you don't l burn stam. Only if using the skill while in actual sneak does stam get burned.

emily3989 · May 2016

code65536 wrote: »

emily3989 wrote: »

Lenikus wrote: »

Why do you have points in health ? ;3
that's silly.

Not if you are a solo player. Not everyone uses a group meta build concept.

For example, soloing craglorn is a bit easier with some extra health in the pool, esp. since you don't have someone spamming heals on you the entire time.

Uh, if you are a magicka nightblade or magicka templar (or, to a lesser extent, a mag or stam sorc with Surge up), then, yes, you do have someone spamming heals on you the entire time: you.

My magblade has soloed vMA and all the Hew's Bane and Orsinium world bosses with zero attribute points in health and zero health enchantments on my armor.

That does not make it "silly" for someone else.

code65536 · May 2016

emily3989 wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

emily3989 wrote: »

Lenikus wrote: »

Why do you have points in health ? ;3
that's silly.

Not if you are a solo player. Not everyone uses a group meta build concept.

For example, soloing craglorn is a bit easier with some extra health in the pool, esp. since you don't have someone spamming heals on you the entire time.

Uh, if you are a magicka nightblade or magicka templar (or, to a lesser extent, a mag or stam sorc with Surge up), then, yes, you do have someone spamming heals on you the entire time: you.

My magblade has soloed vMA and all the Hew's Bane and Orsinium world bosses with zero attribute points in health and zero health enchantments on my armor.

That does not make it "silly" for someone else.

I'm not the one who called it "silly". I was rebutting your statement that soloists don't get heals: this thread is about magblades, and magblades have an abundance of self-heals.

Nevertheless, it is inefficient to have half your attributes in health.

Silver_Strider · May 2016

Just use the Shadow Dancer set
It comes in jewelry, weapons and light armor, is mostly a magic buff set (only has 1 stamina regen stat which is wasted but the other 2 bonuses are magic based) and allows you to ignore the sneak penalty. Granted it's a little tricky to get unless you shop at guild traders or are VERY lucky on the thieve's troves but still, it helps out magic sneak builds a lot.

Or, just go vampire and sneak thru everything with perma-cloak.

Thieves guild requires you to be sneaky but it's possible for all classes to do it, it's just that stamina NB might have an easier time with it because of medium armor doing a lot of the work for them while also having easier access to a sneak set that doesn't hamper their playstyle all that much.

emily3989 · May 2016

Fair enough.

But it is not all endgame playability either.

I have an alt rocking heavy armor and sword and board - he has insane hp for his lvl, but low dps. It is actually fun leveling him up because I don't kill everything it two strikes while at the same time never have to even look at my health bar. I see the guys running around spamming biting japs through quest zones and I think, that would be no fun for me.

And there is certainly nothing in TG that you need any kind of awesome build for either, except for the 2 WB, and 3-4 crappy builds can beat those anyway.

newlife · May 2016

Your Bahraha's curse rewards should somewhat roll toward light/magika if that's what your building. In other words Bahraha's curse gear worked for me!