Denidil wrote: »

Abusive? Not hardly.
Dismissive? Maybe a little.

But I'm generally a fair-minded person when composing replies. But when there is such ire being raised over such a minor game feature, and it's being described by a person as "game breaking", I like to poke a little fun at it.

If my difference of opinion offends the delicate sensibilities, then how do you survive cruising the internet at all? Because I know for a fact that my replies are extremely tame compared to what most of the internet gets exposed to.

I have indeed been here since the Beta. It is possible that we've never really agreed on anything, and that would color your opinion of my differing opinion by quite a bit. But I've only had moderator action taken on me twice, and those have been very far between.

But I digress...

This mechanic has been in the game since it launched. It hasn't stopped, hindered, or abated anyone creating Alts in the past two years, and is seen as a very minor game play mechanic by... pretty much everyone.

The fact that someone is making such a stink over such a minor feature just seems silly to me. This mechanic is in every game. Every MMO. Every RPG. Every MOBA. Every JRPG. And it's in most FPS's. In those games as well as these, the mechanic in question is the most minor of tedious activities. Minor enough that companies are not only leaving it in their games, they're putting it in new games as well.

So my opinion still stands. If this is the tedium that makes/breaks the game for you, then you may want to give up gaming of any type, because it's everywhere, and it's going away no time soon.

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lathbury wrote: »

except that this feature existed way before cash shop

i think thats kinda the problem here, this feature should be changes to reflect the change in the game system

It would make them more money over time if it was cheaper via the Quantity of sales.
I'd spend $10 to max out the speed of my horse on an Alt that only plays Blackwater Blade. Delete and not care.
I won't touch it at it's current price.

AFrostWolf wrote: »

It would make them more money over time if it was cheaper via the Quantity of sales.
I'd spend $10 to max out the speed of my horse on an Alt that only plays Blackwater Blade. Delete and not care.
I won't touch it at it's current price.

As a financial analyst, I can say this may or may not be true. Everyone assumes that if you cut the price by 75%, you will sell 5 times as much and this is simply not true. You (and I) are operating in a complete vaccuum of data, and anecdotal "my guildmates all say" is just as meaningless.

I am ok with the training timer and this is from someone who logged in to all 8 characters for months to do it

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

*sigh*

Because the Gods forbid that you might have to actually work towards something in a game anymore...

/sarcasm

I swear, this "give it all to me RIGHT NOW!!!!" generation is going to be the death of MMO's. I get this feeling that they're working to reduce every game genre into the mind-numbing slog that is Call of Duty... Get everything as fast as possible, get burnt out/bored, move on to the next shiny game, rinse, repeat.

Do you remember how it worked at launch? If not please dont use that silly lines about this generation.

Only if the riding lessons weren't that expensive I would invest more crowns in it instead of 6k crowns for speed 60 I would rather put 2-2.5k crowns down for it. Believe me more people will buy speed / stamina because people don't like to be slow and since more alts are coming with the dark brotherhood it can be better to sell them a bit cheaper and sell like 10 times as much rather then only few spending 2-3k crowns just to get a bit quicker

Good suggestion

I noticed something on the PTS this morning with the Crown Riding Lessons. You can buy way more lessons than you need. The game will only tell you that you are maxed if you have actually applied the lessons to the horse. I ended up buying like 200 Speed Upgrades, mostly because I noticed I could buy too many and was wondering if I could go over 60 this way. Besides, I was playing with House Crowns and 1 Crown Lesson Costs.

But, keep this in mind if your buying riding lessons, the crown store will let you buy more than you can use.

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

GeertKarel wrote: »

Only if the riding lessons weren't that expensive I would invest more crowns in it instead of 6k crowns for speed 60 I would rather put 2-2.5k crowns down for it. Believe me more people will buy speed / stamina because people don't like to be slow and since more alts are coming with the dark brotherhood it can be better to sell them a bit cheaper and sell like 10 times as much rather then only few spending 2-3k crowns just to get a bit quicker

You are assuming they would actually sell "10 times as much" with no data. They might, they might not. Their analysts have a much look at it than we do.

With the extra characer slots coming, I will be back to having new horses to train. I will slog through it, as it isn't THAT big a deal. I just finish each character's day at the stables.

That's what I do.

I do my adventuring. At the end of the day, I break stuff down, sell unneeded equip., deposit in bank, and finish at the stables. Log in to the characters I didn't run around with that day, and drop some gold at the stables.

Easy. Not tedious at all.

Still takes 180 days when it used to take 30. I made alts in the “old days” and after the change. The difference is substantial. I cringe at the thought of having to ride very far on my fat-bum horse until I can get about 30 speed increases or rapid manoeuvers or both. The fact that it used to cost quite a bit of in-game gold to buy partially leveled horses is irrelevant IMO, since at least the possibility was there.

The issue, for me at least, isn't about casuals not wanting to level their horses. It's about ZOS turning a 30-day chore into a 180-day one to boost riding lesson sales. People here calling others lazy or casuals seem to have short memories (or weren't around before the move to F2P).

daemonios wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

GeertKarel wrote: »

Only if the riding lessons weren't that expensive I would invest more crowns in it instead of 6k crowns for speed 60 I would rather put 2-2.5k crowns down for it. Believe me more people will buy speed / stamina because people don't like to be slow and since more alts are coming with the dark brotherhood it can be better to sell them a bit cheaper and sell like 10 times as much rather then only few spending 2-3k crowns just to get a bit quicker

You are assuming they would actually sell "10 times as much" with no data. They might, they might not. Their analysts have a much look at it than we do.

With the extra characer slots coming, I will be back to having new horses to train. I will slog through it, as it isn't THAT big a deal. I just finish each character's day at the stables.

That's what I do.

I do my adventuring. At the end of the day, I break stuff down, sell unneeded equip., deposit in bank, and finish at the stables. Log in to the characters I didn't run around with that day, and drop some gold at the stables.

Easy. Not tedious at all.

Still takes 180 days when it used to take 30. I made alts in the “old days” and after the change. The difference is substantial. I cringe at the thought of having to ride very far on my fat-bum horse until I can get about 30 speed increases or rapid manoeuvers or both. The fact that it used to cost quite a bit of in-game gold to buy partially leveled horses is irrelevant IMO, since at least the possibility was there.

The issue, for me at least, isn't about casuals not wanting to level their horses. It's about ZOS turning a 30-day chore into a 180-day one to boost riding lesson sales. People here calling others lazy or casuals seem to have short memories (or weren't around before the move to F2P).

I think most replies are just ppl being elitist. [snip]
No one enjoys waiting 180 days and logically, that's silly.

All this fuss over ESO QoL issues and this is the one that needs a change at least to work like bank and bag upgrades
Also increments of 1 is barely noticeable. Increments of 10 make sense.

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Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

<-- Is a casual player, has no beef with it even knowing it'll take me 6 months to max all 3 stats on all 3 of my new alts coming in DB.

Lame.

Some of us don't enjoy the crap system. Pushing to make it better if you don't care either way should be a thing.

Why should someone be forced to do something they choose not to? I realize you and others dont care for the time it takes to run up those training levels,but for some it isnt an issue.Why should they have to take a side oe get involved just because someone else wants something they arent interested in?
It isnt lame at all.

Because they're choosing a side when they say they don't mind how it is, but clearly it effects those of us who do not play everyday, or who do not spend time every day to log alts just for feeding.

But on the flip side of this argument; if you're not going to log-in everyday (either by choice or circumstance), why should you have a top-tier Mount with all three attributes at max, without going to the Crown store?

The mechanic is as it is to reward those players who log-in regularly (i.e. every day). Those players will have Mounts that progress faster than players who only log-in sporadically.

If your play time is sporadic, that's what the riding lessons in the Crown Store are for.

This just brings us back to the situation where it seems that you want a top-tier mount, fully trained, but not have to put in the effort to get the Mount trained to that point; and you don't want to have to pay for it.

Your own argument makes it seem as if you want a top-tier Mount for free.

That's not how any MMO works. Not just ESO.

I have no words how right you are this is why I stopped playing 2 mmos at the same time.

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

<-- Is a casual player, has no beef with it even knowing it'll take me 6 months to max all 3 stats on all 3 of my new alts coming in DB.

Lame.

Some of us don't enjoy the crap system. Pushing to make it better if you don't care either way should be a thing.

Why should someone be forced to do something they choose not to? I realize you and others dont care for the time it takes to run up those training levels,but for some it isnt an issue.Why should they have to take a side oe get involved just because someone else wants something they arent interested in?
It isnt lame at all.

Because they're choosing a side when they say they don't mind how it is, but clearly it effects those of us who do not play everyday, or who do not spend time every day to log alts just for feeding.

But on the flip side of this argument; if you're not going to log-in everyday (either by choice or circumstance), why should you have a top-tier Mount with all three attributes at max, without going to the Crown store?

The mechanic is as it is to reward those players who log-in regularly (i.e. every day). Those players will have Mounts that progress faster than players who only log-in sporadically.

If your play time is sporadic, that's what the riding lessons in the Crown Store are for.

This just brings us back to the situation where it seems that you want a top-tier mount, fully trained, but not have to put in the effort to get the Mount trained to that point; and you don't want to have to pay for it.

Your own argument makes it seem as if you want a top-tier Mount for free.

That's not how any MMO works. Not just ESO.

You're wrong. I have amassed a large amount of gold not logging in every day.

No one is asking for handouts. 150 days for feeding ONE worse is not your hardwork. You didn't break a sweat over it.

I've never said a horse upgrade/training should be free. I have said the upgrades need to be more meaningful and if I have the gold to upgrade it all at once, I shouldn't be locked behind 150 days before I can fully enjoy ONE mount.

And when/if I decide to level an alt, that's another 150 days to max a horse.

Worst horse system I have ever seen in any MMO period. True this games use to be worse. That's not the point.

Other MMOs do it way better. Gold sinks locked behind level caps is what the majority of MMOs I have played do. Not cellphone game timers.

Theirs truth in your post too why can't it be an upgrade that costs more gold to do each time? I mean it isn't a cellphone game but we also have cellphone games on pcs and consoles now.

Whatzituyah wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

<-- Is a casual player, has no beef with it even knowing it'll take me 6 months to max all 3 stats on all 3 of my new alts coming in DB.

Lame.

Some of us don't enjoy the crap system. Pushing to make it better if you don't care either way should be a thing.

Why should someone be forced to do something they choose not to? I realize you and others dont care for the time it takes to run up those training levels,but for some it isnt an issue.Why should they have to take a side oe get involved just because someone else wants something they arent interested in?
It isnt lame at all.

Because they're choosing a side when they say they don't mind how it is, but clearly it effects those of us who do not play everyday, or who do not spend time every day to log alts just for feeding.

But on the flip side of this argument; if you're not going to log-in everyday (either by choice or circumstance), why should you have a top-tier Mount with all three attributes at max, without going to the Crown store?

The mechanic is as it is to reward those players who log-in regularly (i.e. every day). Those players will have Mounts that progress faster than players who only log-in sporadically.

If your play time is sporadic, that's what the riding lessons in the Crown Store are for.

This just brings us back to the situation where it seems that you want a top-tier mount, fully trained, but not have to put in the effort to get the Mount trained to that point; and you don't want to have to pay for it.

Your own argument makes it seem as if you want a top-tier Mount for free.

That's not how any MMO works. Not just ESO.

You're wrong. I have amassed a large amount of gold not logging in every day.

No one is asking for handouts. 150 days for feeding ONE worse is not your hardwork. You didn't break a sweat over it.

I've never said a horse upgrade/training should be free. I have said the upgrades need to be more meaningful and if I have the gold to upgrade it all at once, I shouldn't be locked behind 150 days before I can fully enjoy ONE mount.

And when/if I decide to level an alt, that's another 150 days to max a horse.

Worst horse system I have ever seen in any MMO period. True this games use to be worse. That's not the point.

Other MMOs do it way better. Gold sinks locked behind level caps is what the majority of MMOs I have played do. Not cellphone game timers.

Theirs truth in your post too why can't it be an upgrade that costs more gold to do each time? I mean it isn't a cellphone game but we also have cellphone games on pcs and consoles now.

My guess for the timers is to guide us to the cash shop, just like a cellphone game. It works. Can't fault Zenimax for that. I, however, do not waste money on such simple mechanics (and yes I sub).

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

I have 6 get characters and know players with 8. It's all choices. Choices on waiting and or spending gold and choices on spending crowns.

Only change I find would be acceptable is being able to feed the 3 different traits once each day. Nothing more than that is needed.

Why isn't it needed? What significance is 1% increased per day? You don't even feel it. You'll never feel or see the progression.