Kalante wrote: »

magicka in general is easy mode. oh i am getting my *ss kicked... better spam shields, or spam insta rallys aka breath of life.

Yeah because sniping someone from stealth 28 metres away is oh so difficult...

Egonieser wrote: »

ROFL, killed a shieldstacker sorc today, repeatedly on my magplar... Ward+Harness was met with Dark Flare+Vampire's Bane+Javelin from max range - that left him from full shields to under 30% health in less than 3 seconds, Jesus beam did the rest as he frantically was spamming healing ward to no avail.

With enough DPS, no shields are a problem.

A well played magplar has always been effective against a sorc, TG patch made them even more effective. Most well played classes will have few issues with a sorc if they can time their burst while mitigating the sorcs. The class that will struggle with sorc the most will be NB, cos sorcs have some good tools to counter them. Many people play NB in this game which might be why so many think they're op; sorcs counter the most popular class in the game. Food for thought.

That being said shield stacking has allowed lazy playstyles from sorcs for too long and was in danger of taking over as the only way for a sorc to survive in pvp. I want more options as a sorc than devoting 3/10 ability slots to shields for the rest of time. So I welcome the change to shield duration in DB patch, it might encourage sorcs to theorycraft again, weigh up some cost/benefit. I would have preferred the removal of shield stacking altogether but this is a good compromise.

1v1 6s will still be enough time to cast 2 shields (but give you less time to pressure), but open world when you have multiple targets 6s is not a lot of time and sorcs might be better off just slotting one ward, planning for when it gets broken by "tanking up" with impen etc, and using the ward as a safety net to halt incoming damage for a few seconds rather than being the effective health pool.

Shield stacking in open world pvp in the next patch will essentially just make you bait imo. I could be wrong but I'm pretty interested to see how things pan out.

iTzStevey wrote: »

With the update to hardened and harness in the DB patch the sorcerers defensive capabilities will be far too over powered.Something needs to be done about this in pts, a good sorc on live is pretty much a god on the battlefield and its just silly at this point. Make them crittable and unstackable. This is coming from someone who mains a sorc, and wants them to require more than 3 brain cells to play.

ummm they're only "gods of damage mitigation" if they're cookie cutter sorc builds. otherwise be prepared to be very suprised how nerfed you feel come DB patch. it's going to be a blood bath for sorcs.

mdylan2013 wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

magicka in general is easy mode. oh i am getting my *ss kicked... better spam shields, or spam insta rallys aka breath of life.

Yeah because sniping someone from stealth 28 metres away is oh so difficult...

If you are getting killed by SNIPE the easiest skill to counter in the game, then you need to L2P.

Krist wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

mdylan2013 wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

magicka in general is easy mode. oh i am getting my *ss kicked... better spam shields, or spam insta rallys aka breath of life.

Yeah because sniping someone from stealth 28 metres away is oh so difficult...

If you are getting killed by SNIPE the easiest skill to counter in the game, then you need to L2P.

Actually it isn't that easy. Most snipers hide and hit you when you least expect it, making it a very easy skill to use. In fact, if you are good enough and know when and what to do, all classes have something that makes them different and deadly. I end up on both ends of snipe....and I love it, and I hate it. It is easy to use, and if you know when to use it, very deadly to even the best of players.
But then, this brings up the point I made earlier. We can argue over all classes "needing a nerf" or "needing something better". Well, discuss...argue is so argumentative of a word.

This is true, but sadly that's how zos wants archers to play.

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

mdylan2013 wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

magicka in general is easy mode. oh i am getting my *ss kicked... better spam shields, or spam insta rallys aka breath of life.

Yeah because sniping someone from stealth 28 metres away is oh so difficult...

If you are getting killed by SNIPE the easiest skill to counter in the game, then you need to L2P.

I've been killed by snipe, are you saying it's never killed you or been a considerable factor on your death recap?

ku5h wrote: »

mdylan2013 wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

Hardened ward itself it's laughable in pvp now, your problem isn't hardened its stacking multiple
Shields, even they with a 6 second timer and 2 of them what do you think that Sorc would be doing to stay alone, that's right pressing the shield button, someone who's pressing the shield button constantly isn't doing any damage and his main resource pool is going down, p

Agreed, if a sorc is spamming three wards they're not doing much damage to anyone anytime soon. That's why I only use one ward on my sorc.

I love how ppl always come back to, "When sorc spam shields, they spend their resources doing no dmg, bla, bla bla," but they never mention the fact that person attacking those shields have to spend 2x more res to bring then down. For example my sorc has 8k ward in non CP campaign. That is 3.4k magica for 8k mitigation, where, lets say stamblade, has to do 2x surprise attacks(thanx to noncritable shields) to bring them down, which cost 5.2k stamina. You get what i mean? I have to perform 2 actions costing me much more res to counteract that 1 action of applying shield.

that's not the comparison you should make. between doding, evasion, loine-of-sight and also CCs like fear or stuns on the offensive part, you should compare sustains / def mechanics. not def to offense.

the only thing you examples reveals that it is ever useful to cast a shield when under attack.

on the other hand, an enemy with decent armor/spellres, that casts vigor and maybe even blocks certain hits will certaining mitigate MANY more of the sorcs attacks than two just by one cast of vigor. instead, people have to play around sustain and dangerous bursts during CC effects in duels (streak-meteror, fossilize-meteor, fear-combos, spear knockdown, and many many more that are combined with other damage abilities or executes) and around focusing multiple players in non-duels.

if a shield would be gone in one attack, it would be pointless to ever use that shield.

all your psot says, ist that shields can be countered to actually play against a terrible players that only spams his spammable dps abilitiy - and that HAS to work ths way

iTzStevey wrote: »

With the update to hardened and harness in the DB patch the sorcerers defensive capabilities will be far too over powered.Something needs to be done about this in pts, a good sorc on live is pretty much a god on the battlefield and its just silly at this point. Make them crittable and unstackable. This is coming from someone who mains a sorc, and wants them to require more than 3 brain cells to play.

i just wanna swear you...but i cant....leave the SORCERER alone and learn how to kill a sorcs ok.....

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

It would be great if either all the shields either scaled off max magicka or all of them scaled off max health. As it stands, magicka builds in other classes need to sacrifice somewhere if they want big shields, since the DK, templar and resto staff shields all scale based on your max health.

Disagree. I think that most scaling of health is good. Sorcs should keep the magika scale and change one (maybe the DK one) to a stam base.

Burning_Talons wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Lol my stamblade has no problem with sorcs unless they're really good players to begin with

Thats because they're harness sheild didnt give Physical Resist. Now they do good luck bursting through 21k physical shields when stacked

CC them after after 4-5 seconds and proceed to burst before they can recast them? With enough of that they'll be fresh out of stam in no time. Not that hard if you think about it for more than 3 seconds.

@RinaldoGandolphi your post makes me sad. I've been trying to forget all that stuff and now it's all come back

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

im glad i put the time to level a DK, and Templar about a year ago...and working on a Nightblade on and off.....the hate on Sorcs will never end until they are easy kills.

I find my Magic DK stronger then my Sorc right now in many cases, and my Magic Templar is just off the hook when it comes to dealing damage, please continue complaining aobut Sorc's the most nerfed class in the game

Don't make me go back and show you all the nerfs the Sorc class has taken...all 3 of are Ultimates have been nerfed into the ground.

• Power Overload used to give 15% more damage, now it gives 6%
• Negate used to stun and silence enemies and it would heal those inside the bubble for any ground based magics it dispelled.
• Storm Atronach used to taunt.
• Bolt Escape has been nerfed 7 times
• Damage Shields have had their percentages dialed back in PVP twice in less then a year
• Boundless Storm used to give 40% speed now its only 30%
• Streak keeps stacking 50% cost over and over
• Ball of Lighting 1.8sec ball is useless can no longer cast against Crushing Shock spam
• Velicious Curse can be blocked
• Mage's Fury Explosion can be blocked
• Streak damage no longer generates Ultimate
• Out of Combat Magic Recovery halved for 4 secs after casting Bolt Escape
• Cost Reduction for Storm Calling Abilities for Expert Mage taken away

In return all we were given was some crappy pets and shield....a sheild mind you that everyone will have next update. I hated damage shields, i'd rather be squishy and mobile then a tanky caster hence why i leved other classes about a year ago...everything that was fun about the Sorc class and why i rolled it at launch is gone...the damage sheild meta and no mobility soured me on the class outside of stam Sorc...play a Stam Blade it has the mobility my Sorc used to have...

however in the face of the most nerfs any class has taken in the game, keep piling on the Magic Sorc that has very little left.....

Don't forget mines, they can't hit a boss more than once now.

Oh, and @RinaldoGandolphi please don't bring up those painful memories...the nerfs, they hurt me too much. Plz no more.