So...when will sorc shields NOT be god mode?

iTzStevey

With the update to hardened and harness in the DB patch the sorcerers defensive capabilities will be far too over powered.Something needs to be done about this in pts, a good sorc on live is pretty much a god on the battlefield and its just silly at this point. Make them crittable and unstackable. This is coming from someone who mains a sorc, and wants them to require more than 3 brain cells to play.

DannyLV702

Lol my stamblade has no problem with sorcs unless they're really good players to begin with

mistermutiny89

Just make them crittable already ZoS!! Gosh. So simple.

Then back to the minor and major shield idea of course. Hardened Ward or Harness Magicka.

I wonder why they have never implemented this. Another proverbial gun to their head like changing Stam sorcs for the better.

Decado

Hardened ward itself it's laughable in pvp now, your problem isn't hardened its stacking multiple
Shields, even they with a 6 second timer and 2 of them what do you think that Sorc would be doing to stay alone, that's right pressing the shield button, someone who's pressing the shield button constantly isn't doing any damage and his main resource pool is going down, p

mdylan2013

Decado wrote: »

Hardened ward itself it's laughable in pvp now, your problem isn't hardened its stacking multiple
Shields, even they with a 6 second timer and 2 of them what do you think that Sorc would be doing to stay alone, that's right pressing the shield button, someone who's pressing the shield button constantly isn't doing any damage and his main resource pool is going down, p

Agreed, if a sorc is spamming three wards they're not doing much damage to anyone anytime soon. That's why I only use one ward on my sorc.

ConeOfSilence

Attack is the best defense.

Beardimus

I disagree on Crits, and think we need to wait and see, as per threads on here it's polarising peoples views there are as many 'OMG SORC RIP' threads as there are 'OMG SORC BUFF' threads.

Besides I don't get the hate on Sorcs shielding, no one gets narked at Tanks for having heavy armour on. And besides only 1 shield is Sorc only. LA and Staff anyone can use. But I do get people have their views.

Wait and see is all I think, if sorcs are on bar 2 reapplying all the time then they ain't doing DPS.

Flaminir

You could rename this thread with any of the four classes... a good player can make any class look like god mode.

As others have said... if a sorc is just recasting all these shields every 6 seconds then they aren't doing any damage...

Sorc's aren't god mode.

Good players playing against others who haven't learnt the counters to certain skills/combo's classes is whats god mode.

Rakkul

Yet another pvp wanabee who hasn't a clue about playing against other classes.
Yes, this is a learn to play instruction to the OP.

Do that and you won't need to post these misleading threads - and you'll also enjoy the game more.

ku5h

mdylan2013 wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

Hardened ward itself it's laughable in pvp now, your problem isn't hardened its stacking multiple
Shields, even they with a 6 second timer and 2 of them what do you think that Sorc would be doing to stay alone, that's right pressing the shield button, someone who's pressing the shield button constantly isn't doing any damage and his main resource pool is going down, p

Agreed, if a sorc is spamming three wards they're not doing much damage to anyone anytime soon. That's why I only use one ward on my sorc.

I love how ppl always come back to, "When sorc spam shields, they spend their resources doing no dmg, bla, bla bla," but they never mention the fact that person attacking those shields have to spend 2x more res to bring then down. For example my sorc has 8k ward in non CP campaign. That is 3.4k magica for 8k mitigation, where, lets say stamblade, has to do 2x surprise attacks(thanx to noncritable shields) to bring them down, which cost 5.2k stamina. You get what i mean? I have to perform 2 actions costing me much more res to counteract that 1 action of applying shield.

Frostbitemir2

How many cp/much magika do sorcs need before reaching "god mode"? I main a sorc vet 3 with around 33k magika in campaign after food and even with shields up I am constantly stunned and 2-3 hit by nb's. This must be a case of extreme specs? Usually is the case on any mmo where people feel certain spells/items are op.

TequilaFire

Funny my sorc's death recaps don't indicate I was in "god mode". lmao

mdylan2013

ku5h wrote: »

mdylan2013 wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

Hardened ward itself it's laughable in pvp now, your problem isn't hardened its stacking multiple
Shields, even they with a 6 second timer and 2 of them what do you think that Sorc would be doing to stay alone, that's right pressing the shield button, someone who's pressing the shield button constantly isn't doing any damage and his main resource pool is going down, p

Agreed, if a sorc is spamming three wards they're not doing much damage to anyone anytime soon. That's why I only use one ward on my sorc.

I love how ppl always come back to, "When sorc spam shields, they spend their resources doing no dmg, bla, bla bla," but they never mention the fact that person attacking those shields have to spend 2x more res to bring then down. For example my sorc has 8k ward in non CP campaign. That is 3.4k magica for 8k mitigation, where, lets say stamblade, has to do 2x surprise attacks(thanx to noncritable shields) to bring them down, which cost 5.2k stamina. You get what i mean? I have to perform 2 actions costing me much more res to counteract that 1 action of applying shield.

When on my stamblade and facing a Sorc I do one of two things, I'd either try to cloak away and wait for them to forget to put their shield up and then stun attack/kill or I'd start the attack, let them use their little pool of stamina, fear them and then kill. I play both stamina and magicka classes and have no real issue with a Sorc spamming a shield.

myrrrorb14_ESO

ku5h wrote: »

mdylan2013 wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

Hardened ward itself it's laughable in pvp now, your problem isn't hardened its stacking multiple
Shields, even they with a 6 second timer and 2 of them what do you think that Sorc would be doing to stay alone, that's right pressing the shield button, someone who's pressing the shield button constantly isn't doing any damage and his main resource pool is going down, p

Agreed, if a sorc is spamming three wards they're not doing much damage to anyone anytime soon. That's why I only use one ward on my sorc.

I love how ppl always come back to, "When sorc spam shields, they spend their resources doing no dmg, bla, bla bla," but they never mention the fact that person attacking those shields have to spend 2x more res to bring then down. For example my sorc has 8k ward in non CP campaign. That is 3.4k magica for 8k mitigation, where, lets say stamblade, has to do 2x surprise attacks(thanx to noncritable shields) to bring them down, which cost 5.2k stamina. You get what i mean? I have to perform 2 actions costing me much more res to counteract that 1 action of applying shield.

So what you are saying is that a sorcerer defense is able to stop 1 or 2 attacks and that makes it OP? Have you tried cc or fear. Sorcerers who go high damage typically run low stamina.

lolo_01b16_ESO

ku5h wrote: »

mdylan2013 wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

Hardened ward itself it's laughable in pvp now, your problem isn't hardened its stacking multiple
Shields, even they with a 6 second timer and 2 of them what do you think that Sorc would be doing to stay alone, that's right pressing the shield button, someone who's pressing the shield button constantly isn't doing any damage and his main resource pool is going down, p

Agreed, if a sorc is spamming three wards they're not doing much damage to anyone anytime soon. That's why I only use one ward on my sorc.

I love how ppl always come back to, "When sorc spam shields, they spend their resources doing no dmg, bla, bla bla," but they never mention the fact that person attacking those shields have to spend 2x more res to bring then down. For example my sorc has 8k ward in non CP campaign. That is 3.4k magica for 8k mitigation, where, lets say stamblade, has to do 2x surprise attacks(thanx to noncritable shields) to bring them down, which cost 5.2k stamina. You get what i mean? I have to perform 2 actions costing me much more res to counteract that 1 action of applying shield.

Do you play a heavy armour nb with 2 piece molag kena on the no cp campaign? Otherwise you should not run out of ressources while attacking someone with SA. Especially not when your SA only does 4k damage against shields with no mitigation.

DDemon

I play all classes, and when I am playing a class that is not a sorc, especially any stamina class, most sorcs I have fought were very easily killed. This all due to the fact that they are unable to do damage when you pressure them enough so they are forced to shield stack over and over.

With the coming patch it might become more difficult taking down a sorc, but the same strategy applies here as well. Pressure the target hard enough and they will be forced to remain defensive, as with any class.

While in pvp the sorcerer will remain at the same strength, or even stronger, in pve it will take a heavy blow, mainly due to the shield duration nerf.

ku5h

@mdylan2013, @myrrrorb14_ESO, @lolo_01b16_ESO, I wasnt talking about CC, how much stam i have or should i run out of res or not. I was talking about how it takes double res for attacker to down the ward. Did i ever say its OP? No. I have rank 21 mag sorc and i know what i can do and what i cant. And yes, i only die when i run out of stamina, with immovable pots i can only be killed by 3+ competent ppl pounding on me for 30+ sec. So ask me again do i think are shields op. Yes, shield stackin as it is right now is OP. Can i kill mag sorc with my stamblade? Sure i can, but only if he's less skilled then i am.

mdylan2013

ku5h wrote: »

@mdylan2013, @myrrrorb14_ESO, @lolo_01b16_ESO, I wasnt talking about CC, how much stam i have or should i run out of res or not. I was talking about how it takes double res for attacker to down the ward. Did i ever say its OP? No. I have rank 21 mag sorc and i know what i can do and what i cant. And yes, i only die when i run out of stamina, with immovable pots i can only be killed by 3+ competent ppl pounding on me for 30+ sec. So ask me again do i think are shields op. Yes, shield stackin as it is right now is OP. Can i kill mag sorc with my stamblade? Sure i can, but only if he's less skilled then i am.

Of those three people pounding on you, how many are you killing?

My tank alt can take three + people pounding on him for over 30 seconds and he doesn't die... But he's doing very little damage and only rarely kills someone whilst doing it.

Darnathian

How do you all keep a straight face and say sorc is not easy mode? shield stacking is easy mode. making it 6 seconds did nothing. they are refreshing them quicker than that against decent or better players putting pressure on them. remove shield stacking or make it scale of health like everyone else.

myrrrorb14_ESO

ku5h wrote: »

@mdylan2013, @myrrrorb14_ESO, @lolo_01b16_ESO, I wasnt talking about CC, how much stam i have or should i run out of res or not. I was talking about how it takes double res for attacker to down the ward. Did i ever say its OP? No. I have rank 21 mag sorc and i know what i can do and what i cant. And yes, i only die when i run out of stamina, with immovable pots i can only be killed by 3+ competent ppl pounding on me for 30+ sec. So ask me again do i think are shields op. Yes, shield stackin as it is right now is OP. Can i kill mag sorc with my stamblade? Sure i can, but only if he's less skilled then i am.

I've played all but nightblade to max rank I was offering insight into the weaknesses. Sorry if it came out a bit rude. The point I was trying to make is that there are weaknesses to everything. Spamming shields does in fact drain magicka (their highest resource with their highest regen) and to plan accordingly. If you can continously press them through brute force without draining your own resources it works. Attacking stamina is better of you can do it.

Is it OP? Not really. Shields stop 100% of incoming damage with no resistance added in for 6 seconds. The cost is not particularly cheap and if you spam it you are not doing damage. Dodge rollers have similar defense. You roll out of the way of all damage and it drains you. Blockers reduce incoming damage by 50%+. Each of these defenses are very powerful if you build for it. Theoretically Blockers are more OP than shield users.

myrrrorb14_ESO

Darnathian wrote: »

How do you all keep a straight face and say sorc is not easy mode? shield stacking is easy mode. making it 6 seconds did nothing. they are refreshing them quicker than that against decent or better players putting pressure on them. remove shield stacking or make it scale of health like everyone else.

Potato vs potato the advantage goes to the sorcerer. It is pretty easy to get to average with it. But against good players the average potato sorcerer is getting mashed.

Not sure what they were thinking with 6 seconds. That only hurts PvE Sorcerers. It is pretty much what you said in PvP.

bloodenragedb14_ESO

The big problem is with PVE

i am a pve'er, pvp does not intrest me, but im still getting my builds trashed because pvp'ers whine.

There are hundreds of ways to fix the 'balancing' problems, and i use the term problem lightly, as this is a class based mmo, and classes are not supposed to be reskins of the same thing, some classes are better at one role, while others are better at other roles, this war to make the classes perfectly balanced is disgusting to me, but i digress

there are hundreds of ways to fix these problems so that the balances will not effect players in PVE, but for some reason, ZOS seems to not be doing them.

Shield stacking, pretty simple fix is to only allow one shield to be active at a time, problem solved

But nerfing the duration? to barely a fraction of what it was before?

im disgusted, both with the devs and the people continually trying to justify it. There is no justification, pve is simply to big a part of the game for the pvp'ers to be the only ones that get their 'balancing' ways.

Where there was once hope for the potential of this game as a mmo, there is only rage and indignation

Bandit1215

Decado wrote: »

Hardened ward itself it's laughable in pvp now, your problem isn't hardened its stacking multiple
Shields, even they with a 6 second timer and 2 of them what do you think that Sorc would be doing to stay alone, that's right pressing the shield button, someone who's pressing the shield button constantly isn't doing any damage and his main resource pool is going down, p

That's how it should be. They shouldn't be able to double their health pool and still be able to be pumping out damage for no cost. I'm extremely happy with this change because the battles will now flow properly. The sorc puts out damage and when they start taking too much pressure, Relocate and shield up to try and negate the damage being thrown at them. *cough cough* just like very other class in the game. L2P

lolo_01b16_ESO

ku5h wrote: »

@mdylan2013, @myrrrorb14_ESO, @lolo_01b16_ESO, I wasnt talking about CC, how much stam i have or should i run out of res or not. I was talking about how it takes double res for attacker to down the ward. Did i ever say its OP? No. I have rank 21 mag sorc and i know what i can do and what i cant. And yes, i only die when i run out of stamina, with immovable pots i can only be killed by 3+ competent ppl pounding on me for 30+ sec. So ask me again do i think are shields op. Yes, shield stackin as it is right now is OP. Can i kill mag sorc with my stamblade? Sure i can, but only if he's less skilled then i am.

Did you even read my post? You stated that you need 5.2k stam to get a sorc shield down as nb, and therefore will run out of stamina before the sorc has no magicka to recast his shield, but that's simply not true. Surprise attack costs a bit less than 2k stam without any cost reduction, so with a common build you'll be at around 1.5k.
But sure, go ahead and promote a shield nerf, just don't cry then when I kill you within 3 sec after db patch with my physical damage ultimate, poisons and an armour set that does additional damage from stealth.

attackjet

Yeah sorcs are op AF

Decado

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

Hardened ward itself it's laughable in pvp now, your problem isn't hardened its stacking multiple
Shields, even they with a 6 second timer and 2 of them what do you think that Sorc would be doing to stay alone, that's right pressing the shield button, someone who's pressing the shield button constantly isn't doing any damage and his main resource pool is going down, p

That's how it should be. They shouldn't be able to double their health pool and still be able to be pumping out damage for no cost. I'm extremely happy with this change because the battles will now flow properly. The sorc puts out damage and when they start taking too much pressure, Relocate and shield up to try and negate the damage being thrown at them. *cough cough* just like very other class in the game. L2P

And PvE sorcs shouldn't be getting a nerf because people *** and whine, if your pressuring a Sorc hard enough it doesn't matter what the duration of the shield is he has to recast it quicker and I'm sorry but if it takes you over 20 seconds to take down a 8k damage shield I'm not the one who needs to L2P

Double their health? What Sorc is running around with 8k health? That's literally impossible, my PvE Sorc who has absolutely nothing into health atall has 11k as a base health, add 5k onto that for pvp that's 16k, that's half of their health not double, and that's if they are not even running any food etc, don't just make up *** like double and like I said if they are recasting they are not pumping out damage most sorcs run there heal/ shield on the back bar, which since the class doesn't have a heal needs to have a resto equipped I'm not seeing where all this damage is coming from,

Now if you want to discuss how hard it is to kill a fleeing Sorc who's on his back bar I would agree with you, is very hard to kill a competent Sorc who's trying to escape, but then again if he's trying to escape you won the fight

Stop making up crap arguments to support an argument to get a class survival nerfed which in the end won't even effect pvp, congratulations your helping nerf them if PvE, a place where they are already struggling to stay competitive

leepalmer95

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/262427/how-to-balance-shields#latest

Krist

One thread discussing how sorcs have been way too nerfed and need some help, another thread discussing how sorcs are way too uber and need to be nerfed.

I kill sorcs as easy as any other, Templars are the tougher bunch right now.
I play a sorc that kills as easy as any other and has as much staying power as any other, there are Templars that are very tough to kill.
I play a Templar that is killed just like my Sorc.
I have fought sorcs that were uber and far beyond my skill.
I have seen uber sorcs get killed, and have killed some better than me.

I play all classes in PvE, except DK, and enjoy them all for what they offer...DK bores me, just personal opinion. I know there are some awesome DK players. I know the squeaky wheel gets the oil, but it never stops squeaking and I am getting tired of having to deal with the new nerfs to systems that really were not broken. If you think something is that uber, go play it. You will find it is not the class as much as the player (and I am aware people use cheats and macros so not always the player).

It is always the next new flavor, the next new "but I cant play them like I want to play them so it must be broke" type of thread. In the process things that aren't broke get "fixed", and then they need other fixes, and by the time we are done everything got nerfed and we are back to "sorcs are uber" (or whatever the uber flavor is), so the process starts again.

I apologize ahead of time, my posts are usually (ALWAYS) more confrontational than I intend. I write, so I am very descriptive in writing...lol.

(EDIT: I do hope staff comes to realize people usually leave because of the continues nerfs, not for the lack there of)

Kalante

magicka in general is easy mode. oh i am getting my *ss kicked... better spam shields, or spam insta rallys aka breath of life.

IcyDeadPeople

It would be great if either all the shields either scaled off max magicka or all of them scaled off max health. As it stands, magicka builds in other classes need to sacrifice somewhere if they want big shields, since the DK, templar and resto staff shields all scale based on your max health.

Egonieser

ROFL, killed a shieldstacker sorc today, repeatedly on my magplar... Ward+Harness was met with Dark Flare+Vampire's Bane+Javelin from max range - that left him from full shields to under 30% health in less than 3 seconds, Jesus beam did the rest as he frantically was spamming healing ward to no avail.

With enough DPS, no shields are a problem.