anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Kippesnikke wrote: »

so u want everything to be a walk in the park? maybe u should choose a different hobby instead of gaming.

It's OK that you express your wishes and opinions @Kippesnikke , but don't tell people how to choose their games. After all, YOU could go play Dark souls instead of complaining how too easy ESO is / has become for you.

seriously considering this have no idea about the game at all. All I know is they seem to be bucking the trend of nerfing content to cater for the lowest comman denominator thats a dev team I can support.

sickboy2808 wrote: »

Maybe i wont be running coa v one last time because players greed took over and brought the servers down. The only chance i get to play this evening due to RL. Tyvm cheating and wanting nerfs players

You can still run it later this month though ^^ DB probably won't hit live til the beginning of June.

I would like to share my experience of pugging CoA yesterday...first of all, I actually feel kinda bad for not completing it in the end, but then I just ended up so frustrated...

I was the only v16 in the group, tank was v1 and actually fairly decent despite his first time there, dps I think v7 and v9 or so. We got to Maw without too much problem and wiped there. I had to switch to mag regen+health drink in order to be able to keep spamming Twilight heal as dps evidently had issues avoiding the red circles during the stomp stage(namely they stood in them and kept dpsing). Ended up trying burn strat since you don't need that much dps for it anymore but that really didn't work due to very low dps and people having issues staying in my Springs. Stamina templar dd jesus beaming Maw didn't exactly help with the dps either. Oh well. After a few more tries we finally got it the normal way and proceeded onward.

On Titan both dps pretty much vaporized during Fire Rain, at first it was possible to res but not so much with 2 atros up. The tank ended up dying as well(although can't blame him too much, being v1 and first time there I suppose) and I ended up soloing Titan from ~35+% down. Honestly most of my damage came from light attacks and Twilight as I frantically ran around constantly spamming my shield. I was surprised at how easy it actually was.

On Skoria...oh god the pain. Tank seemed to be doing alright after a few tries but the dps...we stacked on one platform with me spamming Springs on everyone but evidently it wasn't enough. They seemed to religiously have something against blocking Valkyn's ranged attacks(or at least stepping out of Meteors) or using Annulment(one of them was magicka) which ended up with them dying while still in my Springs sometimes. They also had some issues staying on platforms/getting to platforms after one was broken which also ended up in frequent deaths. The one time they didn't die by the time first platform was gone, they took the boss down to...about 90% health I think. 90. It might've had something to do with mag DK dd using Impulse for single target dps against Valkyn. To his honor, when I asked him why he's doing that and suggest using Whip instead he did switch to Whip...but that was it, no weaves, no DoTs, no buffs I think, so I don't think it really helped much.

One of the tries when we actually managed to get past 3rd platform being broken(they did want HM) it was just me and tank up, unfortunately I didn't managed to keep him up then and he died as well. After that I was kinda sorta fairly successfully soloing Valkyn for a rather long time(very low dps because I definitely didn't have the setup for it so had to focus on defense with barely any offence and Twilight doing most dps in between being repeatedly beaten to death) until I suddenly couldn't breakfree at full stamina because reasons, and died. After that one of the dps had to go and another had to afk so I said I'd try to solo it and I swear I was doing more damage soloing than we were as a group earlier but didn't have much luck due to weird lag and absolutely absent CC immunity(I didn't like getting cc'd right after breakfree just to break free and instantly get cc'd again, then breakingfree and getting cc'd that very second yet again; I even had the pretty cc immunity swirls around me but that didn't help) and buggy breakfree. Tank ended up leaving as well(can't blame him) and then I gave up and just went to sleep, it took several hours and was getting really late for me.

I do actually feel bad for not finishing it/finding replacement and finishing it and if those guys read this by chance, I'm sorry it didn't work.

But it was one of the worst runs I've had there. Plenty of the teams these days do enough dps to kill Skoria ON FIRST PLATFORM...while clearly not everyone should be able to pull that off, there's little challenge left in killing him by the time 3rd, let alone 5th, platform goes down. With the dps we had, there's no way we'd even kill him without HM. ...those guys were fairly nice and they at least tried to listen sometimes so I don't want to be an ass about it(and I wasn't in the dungeon) but omg...it was SO painful...

That does make me see what kind of teams make up ZOS' apparent statistics for failed CoA completion. But I don't think they understand what they're doing...nerfing things is going to make it WORSE. It'll widen the gap between good and bad players to something unimagineable. It's already atrocious(see lonely me in healing outfit being able to solo Ash Titan at which 3 other groupmates died, and I'm far from showing it off, it was ridiculously easy in fact) between people soloing CoA and people being unable to bulge Valkyn's health pretty much. The problem is in fact that EVERYTHING IS TOO EASY. There's no reason for those people to learn and improve. I've pugged many times during my ESO history, I've seen many, many bad groups but I honestly don't remember seeing THAT much of a gap between some players back in the day(~1.5). Sure some players were way better than others as well, but going into a dungeon spamming AoE as your main single target dps would simply get you killed on first boss and probably make you rethink it. Now people roflstomp all other dungeons and reasonably think "it works, therefore it's good!". ...it's not, and ZOS needs to stop nerfing content to the point where it gives people impression ANYTHING works.

Zeni, you're going to create yourself a pocket monster that'll destroy your game. The "play how you want" mentality is already splitting the community into people who want to play efficiently and people who don't know any better, if you keep nerfing things you'll simply get people naked soloing CoA and pugs who will STILL be unable to complete it due to 4k dps/inability to block/use shields. And the first half will probably stop pugging for good because pugs seem to be getting worse and worse so you'll get to hear all the more crying about elitist jerks who refuse to let anyone into their small l33t circle and outdps everything. What are you going to do then, nerf it again? This is the *** OPPOSITE of a solution...

@ZOS_Finn, @ZOS_GinaBruno , whoever else out there actually looks at the forums sometimes, I know you're busy and whatnot, but...please do something?

There needs to be no actual dungeon content instead when you load into the dungeon the npcs say "thank you for your help you are just so great and just a special little snowflake and then you get BiS items from the dungeon whatever of your choosing." People that complain about not being able to do it and don't try to actually get better are the kids that thought they deserved the participation trophies they got in elementary school for being bad at sports and on terrible teams same goes for VMA and everything about this game aside from AP farming for emperor. There needs to be actual difficult content solo 4man trials not the rofl face smashing into keyboard/controller wayrest seer types stuff.wgt it's a snooze insanely easy use .01% of the gray matter in your head and learn the mechanics and for the love of god learn to dps if you think you do but can't complete dungeons you do not and need to watch videos. If you are Stam dps and not using barrage caltrops poison inject etc you are NOT a DPS if your a sorc not running overload you are NOT a DPS. There is no fun or challenging 4 man content anymore

My favorite pug groups so far
1)dps light attacking adjudicator with bow only
2)dps from darkshade wanted to run why (had helm thought we would be okay him and his friend doe by the adjudicators finger attack 5 times in a row tells me it's because I'm not holding agro (I had every add and boss on my non stop sadly I was able to wipe ads and res them before I said F it teabagged them and left
3) Stam NB not running surprise attack caltrops arrow barrage poison inject) was dual wielding and spamming steel tornado on skoria with no flame atros up
These are the reasons people aren't completing these dungeons @ZOS_GinaBruno it's not because they are to difficult

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

AOECAPS wrote: »

There needs to be no actual dungeon content instead when you load into the dungeon the npcs say "thank you for your help you are just so great and just a special little snowflake and then you get BiS items from the dungeon whatever of your choosing." People that complain about not being able to do it and don't try to actually get better are the kids that thought they deserved the participation trophies they got in elementary school for being bad at sports and on terrible teams same goes for VMA and everything about this game aside from AP farming for emperor. There needs to be actual difficult content solo 4man trials not the rofl face smashing into keyboard/controller wayrest seer types stuff.wgt it's a snooze insanely easy use .01% of the gray matter in your head and learn the mechanics and for the love of god learn to dps if you think you do but can't complete dungeons you do not and need to watch videos. If you are Stam dps and not using barrage caltrops poison inject etc you are NOT a DPS if your a sorc not running overload you are NOT a DPS. There is no fun or challenging 4 man content anymore

I hope you realize that the kind of tone you use is *precisely* the reason why many players don't bother to listen to advice, to try the hard dungeons, to improve their rotation or even refuse to group up at all.
I am a reasonably good player and I don't know what server you play on, but I hope I never end up grouped with you.

I understand where you come from but tbh most of us are beyond constructive at this point.

There's only so long you can keep bashing your head against the wall and stay friendly.

Magdalina wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

AOECAPS wrote: »

There needs to be no actual dungeon content instead when you load into the dungeon the npcs say "thank you for your help you are just so great and just a special little snowflake and then you get BiS items from the dungeon whatever of your choosing." People that complain about not being able to do it and don't try to actually get better are the kids that thought they deserved the participation trophies they got in elementary school for being bad at sports and on terrible teams same goes for VMA and everything about this game aside from AP farming for emperor. There needs to be actual difficult content solo 4man trials not the rofl face smashing into keyboard/controller wayrest seer types stuff.wgt it's a snooze insanely easy use .01% of the gray matter in your head and learn the mechanics and for the love of god learn to dps if you think you do but can't complete dungeons you do not and need to watch videos. If you are Stam dps and not using barrage caltrops poison inject etc you are NOT a DPS if your a sorc not running overload you are NOT a DPS. There is no fun or challenging 4 man content anymore

I hope you realize that the kind of tone you use is *precisely* the reason why many players don't bother to listen to advice, to try the hard dungeons, to improve their rotation or even refuse to group up at all.
I am a reasonably good player and I don't know what server you play on, but I hope I never end up grouped with you.

I understand where you come from but tbh most of us are beyond constructive at this point.

There's only so long you can keep bashing your head against the wall and stay friendly.

My experience today using random dungeon finder on my vet 9 magic NB,

So it pops for Vet CoA in I go there were 3 vet 16's and all the bosses are cleared up to skoria so no big deal I'll still get the xp and reward.

I slot the light armour shield (think it's annulment) and run down to them after an hour and a half I proceed to leave as they drop like flies always me the last standing and trying to ress and dps the boss , 5 platforms on my last go so no book read after the first 2 platforms go I'm on my own again and manage to get him to 50% health before the inevitable death, only in blue vet 6 gear with vendor brought enchants.

No one in chat so cant try to explain what to do , so ye you can only stay patient for so long.

Made me wonder tbh how they got that far, unless this wasn't the original starting group.

Absolutely agree. There's no need to hone PvE skills or gear up for PvE if there's no challenging content to make use those skills.

AOECAPS wrote: »

Lol that kind of tone. truth hurts sometimes, why should people have to think about their build or the mechanics of a dungeon?

Truth ? You call your point of view the truth ? I'm not saying it's wrong, but it's just one point of view among many others.
No, it's the tone that's disturbing. Aggravated by verbal diarrhoea, lack of structure and punctuation, and full of self-importance and hate.

Mojmir wrote: »

anyone tested the nerfed dungeons on pts?

Yes, there are many that have tested the new nerfed dungeons.

You can find some of the feedback here.

AOECAPS wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

AOECAPS wrote: »

Lol that kind of tone. truth hurts sometimes, why should people have to think about their build or the mechanics of a dungeon?

Truth ? You call your point of view the truth ? I'm not saying it's wrong, but it's just one point of view among many others.
No, it's the tone that's disturbing. Aggravated by verbal diarrhoea, lack of structure and punctuation, and full of self-importance and hate.

Lol calling out my lack of punctuation yet can't spell diarrhea correctly.i apologize that I don't proof read and rough draft my posts I didn't know this was my college thesis.im sorry I hurt your wittly feelings but if you are lacking dps it comes down to your ability bars and the gear you're wearing.if you can't comprehend mechanics in an environment that is always the same then that has something to do with what's in between your ears.simple as that. know what you're right everybody is a winner and everyone does a super fantastic job all of the time I'm sorry guys lets go get ice cream cones and talk about our feelings and how people can hurt them sometimes are big meanies. GG

For your information (education ?) both spellings are valid for diarrhoea. Check your facts before insulting. Thank you.

I do not accept your apologies since you do not really mean them.

And I disagree further with your points of view. DPS is BY FAR not only dependent on your bars or your gear. But I'm pointing that out for other readers. You, obviously, are not ready to debate nor to open up.

But think again : people like you ARE the reason why people are reluctant to run dungeons and why those dungeons are finally nerfed so that more people can complete them without the risk to stumble onto people like you.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

AOECAPS wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

AOECAPS wrote: »

Lol that kind of tone. truth hurts sometimes, why should people have to think about their build or the mechanics of a dungeon?

Truth ? You call your point of view the truth ? I'm not saying it's wrong, but it's just one point of view among many others.
No, it's the tone that's disturbing. Aggravated by verbal diarrhoea, lack of structure and punctuation, and full of self-importance and hate.

Lol calling out my lack of punctuation yet can't spell diarrhea correctly.i apologize that I don't proof read and rough draft my posts I didn't know this was my college thesis.im sorry I hurt your wittly feelings but if you are lacking dps it comes down to your ability bars and the gear you're wearing.if you can't comprehend mechanics in an environment that is always the same then that has something to do with what's in between your ears.simple as that. know what you're right everybody is a winner and everyone does a super fantastic job all of the time I'm sorry guys lets go get ice cream cones and talk about our feelings and how people can hurt them sometimes are big meanies. GG

For your information (education ?) both spellings are valid for diarrhoea. Check your facts before insulting. Thank you.

I do not accept your apologies since you do not really mean them.

And I disagree further with your points of view. DPS is BY FAR not only dependent on your bars or your gear. But I'm pointing that out for other readers. You, obviously, are not ready to debate nor to open up.

But think again : people like you ARE the reason why people are reluctant to run dungeons and why those dungeons are finally nerfed so that more people can complete them without the risk to stumble onto people like you.

Of course I didn't mean them I was being a smartass.lmao it's nerfed because people can't do them not because people can do them you're delusional I don't pug WGT or prison because people can't do them and I'm not going to waste my time. Go continue to live in fantasy land a dps wearing heavy armor is not geared properly but you are firmly in the play as you want camp and are probably the dps that's hard casting frags spamming light attacks

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

But think again : people like you ARE the reason why people are reluctant to run dungeons and why those dungeons are finally nerfed so that more people can complete them without the risk to stumble onto people like you.

Think about one thing, please: people like you are the reason why "casual" has a negative connotation and there is so much tension in the game's community.

yes. thank you.

Im gonna try Tanking ICP tmoz when its gold. I havent even tried that dung as said before i hardly play this game much now. Would anyone like to run it with me? Im on PC EU, or does anyone have tips for Tanking this dung? I dont know why its apparently so hard??