Ch4mpTW wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

carudocb16_ESO wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Yes and I am trying to politely say I dont believe you.

Are you honestly saying you don't believe ZOS could have made a mistake ?

In this instance no. Its cut and dried. There have been other exploits (guild bank dupe for example) that could possibly be done on accident. Not this one tho.

... I'm a programmer by job occupation, and I can tell you that scripts have loopholes and flaws all the time. Which is why software is constantly being tweaked and updated. And ALL codes written have some form of hole or flaw. How big the flaw is varies from case to case. These are called "zero days". Case and point, the dude who "accidentally" stumbled across numerous AT&T customer passwords via slight flaw with the script in the system. But, this way of thinking you have is flawed. And you should really brush up on programming and coding basic/general knowledge.

Look man you can try and say a bunch of words all you want. Deal with your 72 hr ban and next time dont exploit. Its that simple. You wont get anywhere here trying to rationalize why you were "accidentally" banned. Appeal it if you feel you were wronged.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

carudocb16_ESO wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Yes and I am trying to politely say I dont believe you.

Are you honestly saying you don't believe ZOS could have made a mistake ?

In this instance no. Its cut and dried. There have been other exploits (guild bank dupe for example) that could possibly be done on accident. Not this one tho.

... I'm a programmer by job occupation, and I can tell you that scripts have loopholes and flaws all the time. Which is why software is constantly being tweaked and updated. And ALL codes written have some form of hole or flaw. How big the flaw is varies from case to case. These are called "zero days". Case and point, the dude who "accidentally" stumbled across numerous AT&T customer passwords via slight flaw with the script in the system. But, this way of thinking you have is flawed. And you should really brush up on programming and coding basic/general knowledge.

Look man you can try and say a bunch of words all you want. Deal with your 72 hr ban and next time dont exploit. Its that simple. You wont get anywhere here trying to rationalize why you were "accidentally" banned. Appeal it if you feel you were wronged.

Listen @jamesharv2005ub17_ESO : you don't know if this person is "guilty" or not. You don't know how reliable ZOS' detection script is or isn't. Neither do I. So please do not act as if you knew. Because you don't.

Besides, whether Ch4mp is "guilty" or not is frankly none of our business. He's got a ban, not you, not me.

EDIT : @Ch4mpTW : you perhaps should also stop whining and trying to convince us that you're a victim, because maybe you are, maybe you aren't, there's no way for us to know and none you can prove either... so yes it's quite uncomfortable for us to answer to that.

clocksstoppe wrote: »

swirve wrote: »

If i robbed a small bank or a large bank should one be classed as a crime and the other not?

An exploit is an exploit, whether you abused it only a little or a lot you should be banned regardless.

You take the risk, you do the crime, you do the time.

It's a video game..

Its a video game we all paid for. When someone exploits they get an advantage over other players who equally paid for the same experience.

Ive never understood the apologists for exploiters. Its one thing if the exploit had no impact on the game. But being able to collect large sums of crafting mats definitely have an impact on the game and its economy which in turn deeply affects the playerbase. Is ZOS responsible for letting this get past them and into the live version? Yes. Does that make it okay for players to do something they know damn well is not supposed to be possible? No. Those players need to own up to doing something they know is wrong and they know is going to have a negative impact. And apologists need to stop pretending as if because its just a video game that its okay to cheat other players.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

swirve wrote: »

If i robbed a small bank or a large bank should one be classed as a crime and the other not?

An exploit is an exploit, whether you abused it only a little or a lot you should be banned regardless.

You take the risk, you do the crime, you do the time.

It's a video game..

Its a video game we all paid for. When someone exploits they get an advantage over other players who equally paid for the same experience.

Ive never understood the apologists for exploiters. Its one thing if the exploit had no impact on the game. But being able to collect large sums of crafting mats definitely have an impact on the game and its economy which in turn deeply affects the playerbase. Is ZOS responsible for letting this get past them and into the live version? Yes. Does that make it okay for players to do something they know damn well is not supposed to be possible? No. Those players need to own up to doing something they know is wrong and they know is going to have a negative impact. And apologists need to stop pretending as if because its just a video game that its okay to cheat other players.

Im actually still concerned about the impact of this situation.
Yeah, they banned the exploiters, but they will return in 72 hours and will still have stacks of golden mats that are worth hundreds thousands of gold...

If thats true then ZOS needs to take action and get rid of those stacks.

Clearly there are people who seek to exploit in any MMO, and from time to time some of them get caught and rightly banned. The usual procedure is then for the game's forums - and it doesn't matter which game we're talking about, it happens in all of them - to be filled with protestations of innocence from those who have been banned. Just as in our prison systems where all the inmates protest their innocence.

Because no detection system is flawless it is inevitable in these situations that a few are banned by mistake, and they will include some that just quietly go about submitting a ticket and getting their case resolved, although others will make a noise on the forum and then it's very difficult for everyone else to separate their cases from those of the actual exploiters who are making similar noises.

I hope that those mistakenly caught up in this will get a swift resolution, but I'm not so naive as to think that most of those complaining on any forum about their own ban, or making out that "I know 100% that I/my roommate/my kid brother/my guildy/my best RL friend hasn't exploited" can frankly be believed. I'm happy for the developers to sort that one out as they're the ones with all the information, and they simply don't have any business reason to drive customers away needlessly. We're in no position to know what is true and what isn't true in these cases, although I do think it's reasonable to assume that most bans are justified, whilst a small number may not be, and I approach every forum topic on bans accordingly.