Please increase CP cap. We all want to advance our characters!

TequilaFire · April 2016

Yeah we all know mashing buttons is skill.

Ariades_swe · April 2016

TequilaFire wrote: »

Yeah we all know mashing buttons is skill.

Theres tons of competitive games were you need certain skills to succeed.
Even in this game you would get your ass handed to you if you just mash buttons.

Epona222 · April 2016

I am still a bit in shock, because you appeared to be calling me a "scrub", and told me to "gtfo" - if those aren't the sorts of things you would want said to your grandmother, you shouldn't be using them yourself. It's not nice.

Up until that point, we were all just having a discussion about CP. I know everyone has strong opinions on it, but that is just not acceptable.

xblackroxe · April 2016

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Nogawd wrote: »

DjSolJAH wrote: »

BurritoESO wrote: »

Raising the CP cap would be bad for the game. People are already really powerful now and can create infinite sustain builds with massive amounts of damage. We don't need to make this worse then it already is.

So if I worked real hard to achieve that build... That's unfair?

Hey, some of us have lives, women, and jobs.

So enjoy your life! Doesn't mean you should be as good at a hobby as people who devote a lot more time to it.

(I have a life, husband who enjoys gaming as much as I do and is at his PC next to me right now chatting with me as I play, and am retired - I put more time into it than you, explain to me again why I ought to be held back on your behalf? Because I don't get it, other hobbies/interests do not work that way.)

You obviously come from a non competitive scrub environment.
Name one sport or competitive esport were more time played give better equipment or another kind of advantage thats not based on actual skill.
I guess you are the kind of person thats afraid of true competition and want all advantages handed to you.
If you really believe more cp equals more skill gtfo.

If by advantages being handed to me you mean spending a lot of time in game EARNING champion points, then I don't know quite how to respond to that... They aren't awarded by magic out of thin air, I didn't somehow receive a pack of CP for no effort...

You didnt answer my question...
Name one competitive sport or esport were more time invested gives you any other advantage than the actual experience of how to execute the skillsets needed to win.
Now if you talk about pve I couldnt care less.
Hitting scripted mobs is so hard lol.
What im talking about is competitive pvp or an arena environment. If you need any other advantage than better reactions, more knowledge etc youre a scrub.

Nice another one of those pretentious PvP players thinking they have all the skill reserved for themselfes.
Show me how you easily clear vMOL or the new Sanctum then we can talk about how easy PvE really is.
You really have no more or less skill than a guy that really knows his stuff in PvE.

Ariades_swe · April 2016

Epona222 wrote: »

I am still a bit in shock, because you appeared to be calling me a "scrub", and told me to "gtfo" - if those aren't the sorts of things you would want said to your grandmother, you shouldn't be using them yourself. It's not nice.

Up until that point, we were all just having a discussion about CP. I know everyone has strong opinions on it, but that is just not acceptable.

Youre right what I said was uncalled for.
Im sorry.
Lets agree to disagree:)

notimetocare · April 2016

Eh... CP cap increase wouldnt give me much, ill never be under the cap

Epona222 · April 2016

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

I am still a bit in shock, because you appeared to be calling me a "scrub", and told me to "gtfo" - if those aren't the sorts of things you would want said to your grandmother, you shouldn't be using them yourself. It's not nice.

Up until that point, we were all just having a discussion about CP. I know everyone has strong opinions on it, but that is just not acceptable.

Youre right what I said was uncalled for.
Im sorry.
Lets agree to disagree:)

Thanks for your apology, it is much appreciated, and I am happy to forgive and forget

Jade1986 · April 2016

DjSolJAH wrote: »

BurritoESO wrote: »

Raising the CP cap would be bad for the game. People are already really powerful now and can create infinite sustain builds with massive amounts of damage. We don't need to make this worse then it already is.

So if I worked real hard to achieve that build... That's unfair?

This is an mmo, not a single player game, there has to be some sort of an even playing field.

Again, mmo, not single player game. You cannot become a god, that is not how this works.

Jade1986 · April 2016

Hadan_of_Rift wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Nogawd wrote: »

DjSolJAH wrote: »

BurritoESO wrote: »

Raising the CP cap would be bad for the game. People are already really powerful now and can create infinite sustain builds with massive amounts of damage. We don't need to make this worse then it already is.

So if I worked real hard to achieve that build... That's unfair?

Hey, some of us have lives, women, and jobs.

So enjoy your life! Doesn't mean you should be as good at a hobby as people who devote a lot more time to it.

(I have a life, husband who enjoys gaming as much as I do and is at his PC next to me right now chatting with me as I play, and am retired - I put more time into it than you, explain to me again why I ought to be held back on your behalf? Because I don't get it, other hobbies/interests do not work that way.)

You obviously come from a non competitive scrub environment.
Name one sport or competitive esport were more time played give better equipment or another kind of advantage thats not based on actual skill.
I guess you are the kind of person thats afraid of true competition and want all advantages handed to you.
If you really believe more cp equals more skill gtfo.

Lets keep personal attacks out of it. So you are saying NFL player A who works hard, studies, hits the gym every day (grinds CP) is going to be the same as NFL player B who has the same talent and drinks and parties? Not sure what competitive environment you are referring to.

Not the same at all, because your body has physical limitations. If you continually raise the CP cap then there are no limitations. The CP cap is the "physical" limitation.

Also in the NFL and other sports, practice makes perfect and you become more skilled through practice.

CP =/= skill.

ADarklore · April 2016

Not sure why people are complaining about wanting CP cap raised when 160 CP is going to technically be 'max level' for gear progression. Access beyond 501 gives you exactly, what in the game right now? Will be nice once I finally reach cap then I can actually focus on doing something else in the game besides chasing a number... like maybe slowing down and enjoying the content. But in ESO and most MMOs, you're made to feel like you have to be MAX in order to feel like you've accomplished anything... it is all psychological of course, but when so many people are talking about how they want a CP increase, it is easy to see that CAP as a necessary evil that one must reach in order to be considered 'accomplished' in the game.

So no, I don't agree with the cap being raised at this time... especially with VR ranks being removed which will, in itself, throw a lot of turmoil into the game for a period of time until people get used to the changes and the bugs are fixed... well, at least worked on.

PlagueMonk · April 2016

I think they should raise the cap.....WHY you might ask?! Well because we haven't had a raise since they installed the cap and we already know it will only raise 51 pts at a time. So we will most likely only get another 102 pts for all of 2016! As it is, it's going to take at least 5 years to get half way to max (granted they don't add something new by that time)

It would be nice to have SOME CP progression since my V16 is going to be removed so I will have little to show for it anymore.

Nebthet78 · April 2016

BurritoESO wrote: »

Raising the CP cap would be bad for the game. People are already really powerful now and can create infinite sustain builds with massive amounts of damage. We don't need to make this worse then it already is.

Then they need to reintroduce Soft Caps into PVP to pretty much put every one on the same level there.

As a PVE player, while I like some content to be challenging, I like to be able to play my character the way I wanted to as a Hybrid tank, and not allowing me to continue to progress my character any further is extremely frustrating especially with the changes coming as my play style has been heavily nerfed across the board.

So, there is now one less tank willing to do daily dungeons and the weekly trails not only with my guild, but with pugs as well.

Also, what is the point of playing any more if I am not progressing? Sure, I am earn CP at half the normal speed now due to the catch up mechanic raising the required XP to over 650k per point. I am better of waiting until the Cap is raised before doing any of the new content because then at least I feel like I am earning something.

zuto40 · April 2016

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Nogawd wrote: »

DjSolJAH wrote: »

BurritoESO wrote: »

Raising the CP cap would be bad for the game. People are already really powerful now and can create infinite sustain builds with massive amounts of damage. We don't need to make this worse then it already is.

So if I worked real hard to achieve that build... That's unfair?

Hey, some of us have lives, women, and jobs.

So enjoy your life! Doesn't mean you should be as good at a hobby as people who devote a lot more time to it.

(I have a life, husband who enjoys gaming as much as I do and is at his PC next to me right now chatting with me as I play, and am retired - I put more time into it than you, explain to me again why I ought to be held back on your behalf? Because I don't get it, other hobbies/interests do not work that way.)

You obviously come from a non competitive scrub environment.
Name one sport or competitive esport were more time played give better equipment or another kind of advantage thats not based on actual skill.
I guess you are the kind of person thats afraid of true competition and want all advantages handed to you.
If you really believe more cp equals more skill gtfo.

If by advantages being handed to me you mean spending a lot of time in game EARNING champion points, then I don't know quite how to respond to that... They aren't awarded by magic out of thin air, I didn't somehow receive a pack of CP for no effort...

You didnt answer my question...
Name one competitive sport or esport were more time invested gives you any other advantage than the actual experience of how to execute the skillsets needed to win.
Now if you talk about pve I couldnt care less.
Hitting scripted mobs is so hard lol.
What im talking about is competitive pvp or an arena environment. If you need any other advantage than better reactions, more knowledge etc youre a scrub.

More time means more skill in the real world, CP is what happens when you put time into the game, CP=skill your clearly mad you dont have the cap yet, i have a life, no job but i have school, takes more time then the average 9-5 job and i have a girl, im on console with over 400 cp, no excuse for having low cp other then not putting in enough time. And ill name a sport where more time gives you better things, EVERY SPORT, you think a sports team just has money? WRONG, a sports team gets better players or pieces based on the money it has, how does it get money? by having its current players invest time into the sport to win, get money, then "buy" better players, the nfl draft for example, good players or "pieces" dont go to the bad teams they go to the ones that worked hard and won(or deflated balls)

Ariades_swe · April 2016

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Vangy · April 2016

But...but..... Im not asking for much... I just want....

1. 25% increased phy damage
2. 25% increase crit damage
3. 25% increased DOT damage
4. 25% increased light/heavy attack damage
5. 25% decreased block cost reduction
6. 25% decrease to phy damage
7. 25% decrease to spell/elemental damage
8. 25% increase to stam/mag regen
9. 20% cost reduction to stam/mag

uhmmm... and and ....

10. 25% reduced healing to target
11. 25% increased healing

=D... Having all this is making me skilled yes? Cos I want to beat on the poor scrubs who have barely 10% to 3 of the above... GOD AMONGST INSECTS... COWER BEFORE ME

Firerock2 · April 2016

Hadan_of_Rift wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Nogawd wrote: »

DjSolJAH wrote: »

BurritoESO wrote: »

Raising the CP cap would be bad for the game. People are already really powerful now and can create infinite sustain builds with massive amounts of damage. We don't need to make this worse then it already is.

So if I worked real hard to achieve that build... That's unfair?

Hey, some of us have lives, women, and jobs.

So enjoy your life! Doesn't mean you should be as good at a hobby as people who devote a lot more time to it.

(I have a life, husband who enjoys gaming as much as I do and is at his PC next to me right now chatting with me as I play, and am retired - I put more time into it than you, explain to me again why I ought to be held back on your behalf? Because I don't get it, other hobbies/interests do not work that way.)

You obviously come from a non competitive scrub environment.
Name one sport or competitive esport were more time played give better equipment or another kind of advantage thats not based on actual skill.
I guess you are the kind of person thats afraid of true competition and want all advantages handed to you.
If you really believe more cp equals more skill gtfo.

Lets keep personal attacks out of it. So you are saying NFL player A who works hard, studies, hits the gym every day (grinds CP) is going to be the same as NFL player B who has the same talent and drinks and parties? Not sure what competitive environment you are referring to.

Dude are you serious? Did you really just relate CP to skill? If anything NFL player A is like an ESO PvPer who knows the game better, has better reactions, and is just a better PvPer than player B.

Real competition happens when people test their skills in combat not their CP levels.

Your argument is laughable.

ADarklore · April 2016

Nebthet78 wrote: »

BurritoESO wrote: »

Raising the CP cap would be bad for the game. People are already really powerful now and can create infinite sustain builds with massive amounts of damage. We don't need to make this worse then it already is.

Then they need to reintroduce Soft Caps into PVP to pretty much put every one on the same level there.

As a PVE player, while I like some content to be challenging, I like to be able to play my character the way I wanted to as a Hybrid tank, and not allowing me to continue to progress my character any further is extremely frustrating especially with the changes coming as my play style has been heavily nerfed across the board.

So, there is now one less tank willing to do daily dungeons and the weekly trails not only with my guild, but with pugs as well.

Also, what is the point of playing any more if I am not progressing? Sure, I am earn CP at half the normal speed now due to the catch up mechanic raising the required XP to over 650k per point. I am better of waiting until the Cap is raised before doing any of the new content because then at least I feel like I am earning something.

So basically what you are saying is that you don't ENJOY the game, it's more of a job, and you see CP as "dollars per hour" instead of 'hey, I'm having fun playing this game'.

SickDuck · April 2016

PlagueMonk wrote: »

I think they should raise the cap.....WHY you might ask?! Well because we haven't had a raise since they installed the cap and we already know it will only raise 51 pts at a time. So we will most likely only get another 102 pts for all of 2016! As it is, it's going to take at least 5 years to get half way to max (granted they don't add something new by that time)

It would be nice to have SOME CP progression since my V16 is going to be removed so I will have little to show for it anymore.

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Astanphaeus wrote: »

They actually mentioned on several occasions that DB wouldn't bring a CP cap increase, but rather each update after it...

They actually mentioned specifically on several occasions that TG wouldn't have a cap increase but DB would...

... and this...

PlagueMonk wrote: »

I think they should raise the cap.....WHY you might ask?! Well because we haven't had a raise since they installed the cap and we already know it will only raise 51 pts at a time. So we will most likely only get another 102 pts for all of 2016! As it is, it's going to take at least 5 years to get half way to max (granted they don't add something new by that time)

It would be nice to have SOME CP progression since my V16 is going to be removed so I will have little to show for it anymore.

Raising cap in DB patch from 501 to 552 as they PROMISED in October would not be game breaker and at least would be a bone thrown to decent amount of people. It will be almost a year on the same cap in case they increase with the next DLC after DB. Unless they change their mind again.

Meanwhile we had cake event, catch-up mechanics since Wrothgar and don't forget all get an extra 40 CP with the removal of veteran ranks.

For me the worst part is that yet again ZOS made a straightforward promise/announcement just to break it later.

ADarklore · April 2016

SickDuck wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

I think they should raise the cap.....WHY you might ask?! Well because we haven't had a raise since they installed the cap and we already know it will only raise 51 pts at a time. So we will most likely only get another 102 pts for all of 2016! As it is, it's going to take at least 5 years to get half way to max (granted they don't add something new by that time)

It would be nice to have SOME CP progression since my V16 is going to be removed so I will have little to show for it anymore.

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Astanphaeus wrote: »

They actually mentioned on several occasions that DB wouldn't bring a CP cap increase, but rather each update after it...

They actually mentioned specifically on several occasions that TG wouldn't have a cap increase but DB would...

... and this...

PlagueMonk wrote: »

I think they should raise the cap.....WHY you might ask?! Well because we haven't had a raise since they installed the cap and we already know it will only raise 51 pts at a time. So we will most likely only get another 102 pts for all of 2016! As it is, it's going to take at least 5 years to get half way to max (granted they don't add something new by that time)

It would be nice to have SOME CP progression since my V16 is going to be removed so I will have little to show for it anymore.

Raising cap in DB patch from 501 to 552 as they PROMISED in October would not be game breaker and at least would be a bone thrown to decent amount of people. It will be almost a year on the same cap even if they increase with the next DLC.

Meanwhile we had cake event, catch-up mechanics since Wrothgar and don't forget all get an extra 40 CP with the removal of veteran ranks.

For me the worst part is that yet again ZOS made a straightforward promise/announcement just to break it later.

I don't recall this promise, can you post a link to them saying this? I also believe in December, when they were talking about VR removal, they said, "everything is subject to change."

Mojmir · April 2016

mostly what i would get from a raised cp cap is unlocked things like master havester, not much of a difference in how lttle over cap i am. dont get me wrong, if it was raised id grind the hell out it.:)

WillhelmBlack · April 2016

Please don't.

hedna123b14_ESO · April 2016

Astanphaeus wrote: »

They actually mentioned on several occasions that DB wouldn't bring a CP cap increase, but rather each update after it...

They actually did not such thing. They specifically said that there would be no CP increase with Thiefs Guild DLC, but there would be one with Dark Brotherhood. They said it would be around 51 CP.

hedna123b14_ESO · April 2016

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Nogawd wrote: »

DjSolJAH wrote: »

BurritoESO wrote: »

Raising the CP cap would be bad for the game. People are already really powerful now and can create infinite sustain builds with massive amounts of damage. We don't need to make this worse then it already is.

So if I worked real hard to achieve that build... That's unfair?

Hey, some of us have lives, women, and jobs.

So enjoy your life! Doesn't mean you should be as good at a hobby as people who devote a lot more time to it.

(I have a life, husband who enjoys gaming as much as I do and is at his PC next to me right now chatting with me as I play, and am retired - I put more time into it than you, explain to me again why I ought to be held back on your behalf? Because I don't get it, other hobbies/interests do not work that way.)

You obviously come from a non competitive scrub environment.
Name one sport or competitive esport were more time played give better equipment or another kind of advantage thats not based on actual skill.
I guess you are the kind of person thats afraid of true competition and want all advantages handed to you.
If you really believe more cp equals more skill gtfo.

If by advantages being handed to me you mean spending a lot of time in game EARNING champion points, then I don't know quite how to respond to that... They aren't awarded by magic out of thin air, I didn't somehow receive a pack of CP for no effort...

You didnt answer my question...
Name one competitive sport or esport were more time invested gives you any other advantage than the actual experience of how to execute the skillsets needed to win.
Now if you talk about pve I couldnt care less.
Hitting scripted mobs is so hard lol.
What im talking about is competitive pvp or an arena environment. If you need any other advantage than better reactions, more knowledge etc youre a scrub.

I love seeing PvP ers say :"Hitting scripted mobs is so hard" and then fail miserably at trials....

vamp_emily · April 2016

I have mixed opinions on this.

One part of me thinks if you have 501 CP that means you reached top level and you beat the game.

On the other hand, ZOS could remove the CP cap, and create some type of tier for the elite players. For example once you reach 502 CP you move to another level of advancements. As far as PvP goes you will not be allowed to compete with players that have 501 CP and below.

I think elite players should be able to continue to advance.

anitajoneb17_ESO · April 2016

Hadan_of_Rift wrote: »

Not increasing the CP cap is human excrement. We all play the game to advance our characters and get better. .../... [snip]

We all ??? We all ?????
Please express your opinion in your own name, not mine.
I have above 600 cP but I'm OK with the cap not being raised, and I play for fun, not for "progress"...

Kas · April 2016

agree. if you want to, make catch-up even stronger. I don't want a bigger edge, I just want change, new limits to play around with, buffed new encounters and see myself outlevel the old stuff, etc etc

however, I'd prefer more progression through alliance ranks than CP

anitajoneb17_ESO · April 2016

vamp_emily wrote: »

I have mixed opinions on this.

One part of me thinks if you have 501 CP that means you reached top level and you beat the game.

On the other hand, ZOS could remove the CP cap, and create some type of tier for the elite players. For example once you reach 502 CP you move to another level of advancements. As far as PvP goes you will not be allowed to compete with players that have 501 CP and below.

I think elite players should be able to continue to advance.

Except that you can have TONS of CP without being an elite player or even a good player. I have over 600 and I wouldn't consider myself a strong players, especially not in PvP.
A guildie of mine has 800 CP (he loves rerolling alts all the time from 1 to V5...) , and he's an horrendous player believe me (he says so himself),
And tons of average players have tons of cracked-wood-caved CPs which don't make them good players.

Hadan_of_Rift · April 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Hadan_of_Rift wrote: »

Not increasing the CP cap is human excrement. We all play the game to advance our characters and get better. .../... [snip]

We all ??? We all ?????
Please express your opinion in your own name, not mine.
I have above 600 cP but I'm OK with the cap not being raised, and I play for fun, not for "progress"...

Calm down sparky. It's just an expression.

Pangnirtung · April 2016

What is the point of earning anymore champion points when 501 is the max?

Aren't MMOs about progression? I am not a grinder by any means at all but am still over the cap by a fair amount and now for what?

If ZOS wants everyone to be at 501 CP how about you start everyone there and forget about lvs 1-50?

I enjoyed advancing my characters but for what now?

Telel · April 2016

To khajiit there are only a few things that keep them, a casual murdering sort, playing and paying for the game.

One of these is of course the many delightful story lines they can bumble their way through and enjoy on their own time.

But these can often be done in a relatively short time space, and often one does not wish to repeat them to often. This is to prevent them from losing some of their entertainment value and become as repetitive, and dull. as gaining Undaunted XP on a new character.

The second is of course the grand and glorius fighting of the other peoples.

Unfortunately that has remained much the same as it has for two years, and one can only storm a breach at 2 FPS so many times before one needs something new. Incidentally running through sewers in a massive blob like a pack of rabid hamsters does not constitute a new thing as far as Telel is concerned.

Finally there is some form of leveling up of one's many things and sorts. It is as natural as a bird wishing to fly up into the air so that it can enjoy gazing down on all that now lays below it.

Sadly once someone sticks a big ceiling over the bird's head he can't gain much altitude, and indeed gets most annoyed at his now bruised skull. This tends to lead to dead birds, or at least very bored and fat ones.

oh, and their plumage suffers too. You do not wish to see this one with poor plumage do you?

That is why Telel is most humbly displeased at this reveals on the raising of the champion point cap. Especially as all their current toons shall be stuck there with nothing to do but grind out the same skills, and storm the same breaches this one has done oh so many times before.

Why should this bird keep spreading its wings if all it shall receive is another bump on their now molting noggin?