staracino_ESO wrote: »

The imperial physique seems interesting, but I think it should have scaling grades based on multipliers, as opposed to all or nothing. 2x stones = 200%, 3x stones = 400%, 4x stones = 600%. This way we can choose what to set our power level at while playing in IC, and we can recieve dynamic upgrades to our stats as we kill other players who are either farming stones or trying to use this set themselves.

I was thinking the same thing, now the set is useless for a pretty long time if you get killed once and loose 5k stones.

Its already a niche set because it only works in IC so it should have a more even stat increase.

I like the new Elegance and Shadow Dancer sets. Both of them have two Magicka bonuses, which is really nice.

• Amongst craftable sets we still miss a 2 items bonus as Stamina Recovery and Weapon Damage.
  As magicka I feel there are more options for crafted sets.
  Pelinal's Aptitude could have Stamina Recovery as 2 items bonus and Max Health as 3 items bonus or as 4 items bonus with Magicka Recovery as 3 items bonus.
  Kvatch Gladiator could have Weapon Damage as 2 items bonus and Weapon Critical as 4 items bonus.
• One Monster set (helm+shoulder) could have Magicka Recovery as first bonus amongst the ones we have or for a future Veteran Dungeon drop.
• Ashen Grip - craftable set: even if this set has stamina stats (weapon damage and crit), the last bonus is flame damage; considering the changements to classes (especially stamina DK), its damage could become poison or disease.

acw37162 wrote: »

Bowser wrote: »

Crafted - Pelinal's Aptitude Set
2) Adds Max Health
3) Adds Stamina Recovery
4) Adds Magicka Recovery
5) Your Weapon Damage and Spell Damage both become the highest of the two values.

AWESOME!

This set is nice but the adjusted damage and tooltip need to reflect weapon dmage and max stamina or spell damage and max magica, IMO.

Even with 3800 weapon damage buffed and 38 K max stamina overload is a paulty 12 - 14 which isn't terrible but isn't good either.

This set, as concept, is awesome to be able to play again hybrid builds. Thanks!
Anyway it should require some tweaks as written by @acw37162 and tests.

Like you, infact, I agree that max stamina and max magicka, like crit and penetration, still have an huge role, so some tweaks could let this set reach better its goal.

The main problems of hybrid builds since 1.6 are two: stats for skills and weapons (divided into magicka and stamina) and the removal of soft caps.
This set helps with the first but the second is probably the biggest issue.

Alcast wrote: »

Some of the sets need some rework. I got eyes on 4 in particular.

Flanking Strategist.
Why would I choose this set over Hundings rage which gives me permanent 288 Weap damage.
My suggestion: Increase the Weapon damage to 500.


In its current state, Hunding's probably is preferable - but don't forget the extra 124 WD included in the 4 piece - this effectively reduces the 5 piece from HR to 164 WD in comparison, so vs. HR this will give you an extra 166 WD when attacking from behind, 164 WD less in the rest of combat. If the 5 piece here were 500, you would have 336 WD more than HR when attacking from behind, and 164 less in the rest of combat. Personally I think that a better comparison to FS would be the Clever Alchemist, which is a similarly niche set - that gives the same 124 WD bonus as FS but also ~650 WD for 15 seconds after a potion - vs. hundings this gives 164 less WD in general combat, but ~610 more for 15s after a potion.

(I'm rambling now...) I guess that the argument would be whether you could utilise speed buffs and mobility to consistently position yourself behind an enemy for more than 1/3 of combat, which is approximately the up-time of the alchemist 5 piece.

Of course for max damage using this play-style you could pair 4 piece HR armour, 1 HR dual wield, 1 piece Molag Kena armour 2 pc FS armour, 3 pc FS jewellery (if it comes in 3 jewellery...) and a single Maelstrom dagger for the WD.

That got intense very quickly...


Hide of Morihaus
This set is nice, but why is it not in Medium armor? This looks more useful for medium armor people.
My suggestion: Swap the set from Heavy to Medium armor.


I guess that this one is to give tanks a bit more damage/CC utility. Even if it were MA, I'm not sure I'd see the benefit of running it for the paltry damage and CC that is easily achievable without it.

Vicecanon of Venom
This setbonus is nice, but it is light armor and therefore should be Magic damage. Or make it Medium armor so it matches the poison damage which is used mostly by medium armor characters.
My suggestion: Change the bonus to magic damage// Or swap it to medium armor.


This one in particular I really don't understand. At first I thought it was another set aimed at the hybrid market - but all of the set bonuses are targeted at stamina players. I'm assuming hoping that this is a typo, as this could be a fun one to play with.

Dreugh King Slayer
This 5 Piece bonus Major Brutality Bonus is 100% useless. Everyone has that buff already anyway.
My suggestion: Make the 20% increased damage a separate effect so it stacks with Brutality buff.




Agree entirely. Minor (major? OP?) Berserk, perhaps?

Here is another thread, started by @Hamrb, with info on the new sets (for anyone who hasn't seen them). It also has an ongoing discussion about the sets so wanted to link it here.

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/262002/dark-brotherhood-new-sets/p1

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

I like the new Elegance and Shadow Dancer sets. Both of them have two Magicka bonuses, which is really nice.

Exactly what are the changes?

Elegance had its 2set bonus changed from wep dmg to spelldmg, the 3 and 4 set remain max magicka and the 5th set was buffed from 10% heavy and light atk dmg to 20% extra dmg

olsborg wrote: »

Elegance had its 2set bonus changed from wep dmg to spelldmg, the 3 and 4 set remain max magicka and the 5th set was buffed from 10% heavy and light atk dmg to 20% extra dmg

Thats... really good.
Does it come w/ Jewelry like Shadow Dancer?

Can any1 confirm how imperial physique works for x1, x2...telvar...does it jump say 200% on x2 400% at x3 600% at x4...just discussing this so would be intetested to know. Thanks

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Wanted to give my input on the Varen's Legacy set.



Playing an Argonian magicka NB tank, I was excited to see this set, thinking how it would be great paired with Sap Essence. However, after using it to solo run through parts of vWGT, found that the 5pc bonus provided no real benefit--the proc chance was too low, and the damage felt inconsequential. Either the proc chance or the damage bonus needs to be greatly increased; with the current damage, I'd say the proc chance needs to be 30-50%, or the damage should be similarly tripled or more. Right now it's the 5pc bonus is essentially a weak damage ability that has a 10% chance to proc, which is quite weak compared to most other 5pc bonuses. While the blueish-purple swirl effect is easy to see so you know when the proc is active, it's not clear what kind of damage it is dealing (or does it depend on what AoE spell is being used?).

I like that the 2-4pc bonuses are beneficial to both stamina and magicka tank builds, but I think could be better to differentiate from other crafted sets and cater to the set's use (and I still argue more generally that the 4% value for Healing Taken is still underpowered). These changes are assuming the set is geared toward tanking and both magicka and stamina builds (who else would be blocking so often as to make the set useful?). Here are some possible changes:

-Remove the Health and Stamina bonuses, and replace them with physical and spell resistances, respectively.
-Swap the 2pc and 4pc bonuses. There is currently no crafted set with Healing Taken bonus as 2pc.
-Similarly, since the nerf to Shalidor's Curse set last August (IC DLC/Update), no crafted set has 2 Healing Taken bonuses. The 2 and 3pc bonuses could both be Healing Taken, with the 4pc being Health. However, the healing taken bonus in general seems to have no connection to the theme of the set (unless you're like me and use it with Sap Essence), which is centered around doing extra damage.
-Conversely, while I appreciate Healing Taken for my particular build, I know it is not popular among many other players. One option would be to remove healing taken and replace it with a Magicka bonus.

My personal ideal would be 2pc Healing Taken, 3pc Physical Resistance, 4pc Spell Resistance. Stat pools are easy enough to get pretty high (especially health, tanks don't really need more than 27k), but to get to the 33.1k armor caps you need help from set piece bonuses to Resistances. The 2pc bonuses fills a current gap among crafted sets.

Cheers.

I think this set is more a pvp tanking set, well fitted for DK. Considering how much bloodspawn proc when you are surrounded by 3-6 enemies, 3k more damage (and heal) with inhale nearly every time can be really powerful. Same for talon, proxy det, bats and more. If it has no cooldown and no Cyrodiil reduction damage (like a lot of set), it can add a serious boost to pvp tanking build and especially DK.

The Galerion's Revenge set's 5 piece bonus tooltip is incorrect. On an effectively zero resistance target the 5 piece bonus is only doing 78% of the 5 piece bonus tooltip.

The 5 piece tooltip for Galerion's Revenge is 7525 Magic Damage


My tooltip for Crystal Fragments is 13243 Magic Damage


But on Slimecraw who has effectively zero resistance in this case. Crystal Fragments does 13243 Magic Damage as expected by Galerion's Revenge only does 5912 Magic Damage

RoyJade wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Wanted to give my input on the Varen's Legacy set.



Playing an Argonian magicka NB tank, I was excited to see this set, thinking how it would be great paired with Sap Essence. However, after using it to solo run through parts of vWGT, found that the 5pc bonus provided no real benefit--the proc chance was too low, and the damage felt inconsequential. Either the proc chance or the damage bonus needs to be greatly increased; with the current damage, I'd say the proc chance needs to be 30-50%, or the damage should be similarly tripled or more. Right now it's the 5pc bonus is essentially a weak damage ability that has a 10% chance to proc, which is quite weak compared to most other 5pc bonuses. While the blueish-purple swirl effect is easy to see so you know when the proc is active, it's not clear what kind of damage it is dealing (or does it depend on what AoE spell is being used?).

I like that the 2-4pc bonuses are beneficial to both stamina and magicka tank builds, but I think could be better to differentiate from other crafted sets and cater to the set's use (and I still argue more generally that the 4% value for Healing Taken is still underpowered). These changes are assuming the set is geared toward tanking and both magicka and stamina builds (who else would be blocking so often as to make the set useful?). Here are some possible changes:

-Remove the Health and Stamina bonuses, and replace them with physical and spell resistances, respectively.
-Swap the 2pc and 4pc bonuses. There is currently no crafted set with Healing Taken bonus as 2pc.
-Similarly, since the nerf to Shalidor's Curse set last August (IC DLC/Update), no crafted set has 2 Healing Taken bonuses. The 2 and 3pc bonuses could both be Healing Taken, with the 4pc being Health. However, the healing taken bonus in general seems to have no connection to the theme of the set (unless you're like me and use it with Sap Essence), which is centered around doing extra damage.
-Conversely, while I appreciate Healing Taken for my particular build, I know it is not popular among many other players. One option would be to remove healing taken and replace it with a Magicka bonus.

My personal ideal would be 2pc Healing Taken, 3pc Physical Resistance, 4pc Spell Resistance. Stat pools are easy enough to get pretty high (especially health, tanks don't really need more than 27k), but to get to the 33.1k armor caps you need help from set piece bonuses to Resistances. The 2pc bonuses fills a current gap among crafted sets.

Cheers.

I think this set is more a pvp tanking set, well fitted for DK. Considering how much bloodspawn proc when you are surrounded by 3-6 enemies, 3k more damage (and heal) with inhale nearly every time can be really powerful. Same for talon, proxy det, bats and more. If it has no cooldown and no Cyrodiil reduction damage (like a lot of set), it can add a serious boost to pvp tanking build and especially DK.

Good point about PvP. But in PvP you also can't afford to block all the time, which is what makes Bloodspawn useful since it procs simply when hit whether you are blocking or not. What amount of incoming attacks do you try to block in Cyro? 20-40% depending on your build? So whatever 10% of 20-40% is, basically means that this limits how often this set procs even further. In practice it just doesn't seem very useful at all, even for PvP tanking. It's true some set procs aren't affected by the Battle Spirit debuff, but many are, so that's something that needs to be tested.

@ZOS_GinaBruno any comment on the older PVP sets like Morag Tong, ravager, Cyrodill's light, hawkeye, and others if they are permanently removed our not? I though @ZOS_RichLambert or @ZOS_BrianWheeler said that upgraded versions of the ravager sets would be coming at some point.

As for the sets, a lot seem interesting but I see a potential issues with the flanking set. If lagging and I get hit with it then the lag is going to be that much more apparent. Depending how the calculation is handled I can also see it being abused by folks using lag switches to glitch burst their damage from behind targets.

RoyJade wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Good point about PvP. But in PvP you also can't afford to block all the time, which is what makes Bloodspawn useful since it procs simply when hit whether you are blocking or not. What amount of incoming attacks do you try to block in Cyro? 20-40% depending on your build? So whatever 10% of 20-40% is, basically means that this limits how often this set procs even further. In practice it just doesn't seem very useful at all, even for PvP tanking. It's true some set procs aren't affected by the Battle Spirit debuff, but many are, so that's something that needs to be tested.

With my ultimate-focused stamina DK in pvp, nearly 98% of the attack when I'm not under corrosive armor's effect, and I get back enough ultimate to use corrosive armor before my stam run out (and I get all my stamina when I use corrosive armor and stop blocking for his duration).
With my magDK, nearly 40% of all attack against six players, and more when I focus on defense while spamming obsidian shield. Even more when the maj will goes out because of the new sturdy (I run five light armor, so no bracing passive).
With my tanky magblade, everything while in a group.
Bracing and CP are really good to moderate block cost, and jewel enchant are even more useful. With the new sturdy, I'll probably able to perma block and spam aoe with my magDK and my magblade against an enemy group, this set will be awesome for my damage.

Well now I'm gonna ask you to show me your DK and magblade builds! But seriously, I'd really like to hear more about them. PM me maybe?

I did some more heavy armor set tests today. The sets I tested were : Knightmare, Varen's Legacy, Morihaus, Pelinal's Aptitude, and Gladiator.

Knightmare - This set is pretty awesome. Maim wasn't a debuff that was around for every class. With the addition of maim poison and now this buff that can be kept up indefinitely I think it is pretty awesome. It's nice to have a set with extra mitigation I can commit to in a way I can control. This set will probably be less important in PvE, but it looks like a nice option for PvP.

Varen's Legacy - This set is interesting. Apparently the 5 piece bonus can be used for Duration aoe attacks or direct damage which is neat. I could have hurricane ramping up while proccing extra 3k damage hits. The damage only buffs one instance of damage however. The whole point of AOEs are to hit multiple targets so why is the damage bonus locked to one target?

The proc rate itself is abysmal. The set doesn't really start proccing until 4+ targets are hitting you. DOTs also don't seem to proc the set bonus. Low proc rate, that requires direct damage attacks, and blocking plays out terribly. Interaction with blocking trigger sets feels bad in general. Varen's Legacy reminds me of the Twin sister set. It has a great bleed, but locks you into blocking on a 20% proc chance to access it. It's just not fun or functional.

A bigger damage blast, with a 100% chance on block, and a functional cooldown (3-5 seconds) would feel a lot better. Power bash feels much better the way it was designed to buff on blocking. I think block trigger sets could benefit from following suit.

Morihaus - I was expecting to completely pass over this set. Wow was I wrong. After a small test session I think this will be my must have set. The 5 piece is so simple but very effective. It triggers a 2 second knockdown, has a nice area effect to make it easier to catch targets, and can knockdown multiple enemies. I think the design team really nailed this set on the first try. My stam sorc builds never have any CC so set gives me a nice 2 second knockdown every few seconds that can be helpful in any content I come across. I don't understand why the roll procs damage though. The 2300 or so hit is pretty laughable. A minor expedition buff or something to speed up the turn speed after rolling would be better. Some of the knockdown is wasted when rolling through enemies.

Pelinal's Aptitude - So this set does what it says it does. My estimate on a potential spell power/weapon power range being from 3-4k was off. It may be true for heavy armor but medium could definitely push this hybrid armor to 4k+ even with out a full set of weapon power bonuses. That being said I couldn't really find a use for it. I think this is mainly a sorc problem. With the weapon lines getting so good this patch and sorc class damage skills still remaining stagnant none of the combos felt worth it. The damage was diverse and could get close to a full devoted stam or mag build but nothing was meshing like I hoped.

Other classes may find better hybrid viability, but from a sorc point of view it doesn't seem to help.

Gladiator - I don't know how to feel about this set. It definitely raises the damage of light and heavy attacks, but I don't think it comes close to or outperforms present executes. If anything I guess it could be a slight bump for people during an execute phase, but what would it be paired with and why I'm not sure. If light/heavy attack builds are desired to be a thing it would probably be better revive the Undaunted Infiltrator sets. They had a great bonuses that got left in the dust as the game moved on.