is it posible to make hybrids viable again? Share ideas

pinchedrug00 · April 2016

is there anyway to make hybrids viable again without changing the high dmg meta? here is what they could add to each class to make them a little more viable just a little. Each class would have a diifferent hybrid playstyle.
Sorcs:
- Make dark conversion instant and make it switch magic recovery and stam recovery.So if u have 5 magic regen and 7 stam regen after using that u would have 7 magic regen and 5 stam regen for like 10 seconds.
- Make dark deal instant and switch max stam and max magic values for 10 seconds
- After using thundering presence all storm calling skills scale off stam and cost stam for the duration
Nightblade:
-After using soul harvest either your weapon dmg is boosted up to the value of your spell dmg or your spell dmg is boosted up to your weapon dmg for 10 seconds.(depends on which is lower)
dragon knight:
-burning breath: make it so that every time you light atack someone while this is on them their spell resistance is decreased all the way down to zero as long as this stays on them.
- flames of oblivion: if the fire ball hits someone all ardent flam skills scale off stamina for 6 seconds
templar:
- radiant aura: while slotted 10% of max stam is added to max magic
- repentance: while slotted 10% of max magic is added to max stam
(i dont really know whhat could be added to help templars)

If these are added then hybrids can be stronger while not changing the meta or making something op. We already have sets like kena, alchemist, and mealstrom weapons that give spell/weapon damage. So maybe add a craftable set like this:
2 piece magic recovery
3 piece weapon/spell dmg
4 piece stamina recovery
5 piece increase weapon and spell dmg by 200

Please consider trying to buff hybrids to add more options for how ppl play the game.

Forestd16b14_ESO · April 2016

Simple..... bring back soft caps make stats 1000's instead of 10,000s and remove resource scaling.

phaneub17_ESO · April 2016

Unbind all damage from max magicka or stamina.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO · April 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Simple..... bring back soft caps make stats 1000's instead of 10,000s and remove resource scaling.

This guy gets it. ^^^^

newtinmpls · April 2016

Post #2 and #3 FTW.... !!!!!

I personally would love it, it would drive a lovely lovely stake through the cold nasty vampiric heart of the FOTM

Bulljoker · April 2016

soft caps, the only way to make it work. but it's hard to bring soft caps back while we have stupid Champion points, but i would still love to see it

Magdalina · April 2016

Not without softcaps.

LadyNalcarya · April 2016

No softcaps please.
Its not fun when everyone has the same build and you cant outperform a class with better class abilities.
Imo, people are too nostalgic and forget about 1.5 (and lower) issues.

Birdovic · April 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

No softcaps please.
Its not fun when everyone has the same build and you cant outperform a class with better class abilities.
Imo, people are too nostalgic and forget about 1.5 (and lower) issues.

So you're saying, that right now, not everyone is using the same stuff? I disagree.

While I agree about the class abilities needing adjustment in case, I think the softcaps are the best way to introduce hybrid builds again.

I also think softcaps can bring even more builds about, since everyone can have decent stats and therefore can try more variations with currently unused Item Sets, without completely ruining stats.

Think of it like this:

"Being at softcap on the most important stats (which is achieved easily) is enough to run the harder dungeons without trouble"

Now you have the choice between 2 sets, both have the same 2/3/4 piece bonus, so the choice here is about the 5pc bonus:

- Hundings Rage: +300 weapon dmg (150 only with softcaps)
- Vipers Sting 1260 poison dmg on melee attack

You can either go for Hundings for higher Stats (which you dont need to compete) or you can make use of Vipers' Sting for a different 5pc, which is unaffected by softcaps and can proc poison related effects and will always deal a flat amount of damage, which - thanks to softcaps -is now a valid choice.

The same can go for comparing Law of Julianos to Infallible Mage: The 5pc bonus grants a flat dmg bonus to heavy attacks, which lets it come closer to Julianos, thanks to Softcaps.

Not the best examples, but I hope you get the idea.

psychotic13 · April 2016

A Hyrbid can actually be half decent even now, although it costs a lot to make, you'll need the right sets, everything gold, gold enchants full hakiejos and can be better for different classes depending on Passives although I haven't tried making them all hybrids so I couldn't tell you which is best.

Even then though, you won't be able to slay everyone in cyrodil, but if you're a casual player like myself who likes to just play PvP and are not really interested in leaderboards or whatever, then it can be great fun and it's possible to get 30kish in both stamina and Magicka pools, while around 3kish in both WD and SD, you don't need to worry about recovery so much because you sourcing from 2 pools.

Birdovic · April 2016

psychotic13 wrote: »

A Hyrbid can actually be half decent even now, although it costs a lot to make, you'll need the right sets, everything gold, gold enchants full hakiejos and can be better for different classes depending on Passives although I haven't tried making them all hybrids so I couldn't tell you which is best.

Even then though, you won't be able to slay everyone in cyrodil, but if you're a casual player like myself who likes to just play PvP and are not really interested in leaderboards or whatever, then it can be great fun and it's possible to get 30kish in both stamina and Magicka pools, while around 3kish in both WD and SD, you don't need to worry about recovery so much because you sourcing from 2 pools.

Well, using legendary hakeijos and using tri potions, maybe clever alchemist/kena and 2x dw maelstrom weapon, going vampire, can MAYBE allow for some hybrid stuff, even right now.

But thats the only possibility I can think off of the top of my head, in current situaton...

Also there is some sets which only were useful in the past, like the light armour set called "Elegance", which offered weapon dmg and max magicka, aswell as 10% increase on light/heavy attacks. It worked because Staff Damage scaled off Weapon Damage, and the 10% dmg increase wasnt affected by softcaps.

I also guess the Undaunted sets like "Undaunted Unweaver","Undaunted Infiltrator"
were intended for Hybrid Builds, but with the removal of Soft Caps they became equally useless like the aforementioned "Elegance" Set

psychotic13 · April 2016

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

A Hyrbid can actually be half decent even now, although it costs a lot to make, you'll need the right sets, everything gold, gold enchants full hakiejos and can be better for different classes depending on Passives although I haven't tried making them all hybrids so I couldn't tell you which is best.

Even then though, you won't be able to slay everyone in cyrodil, but if you're a casual player like myself who likes to just play PvP and are not really interested in leaderboards or whatever, then it can be great fun and it's possible to get 30kish in both stamina and Magicka pools, while around 3kish in both WD and SD, you don't need to worry about recovery so much because you sourcing from 2 pools.

Well, using legendary hakeijos and using tri potions, maybe clever alchemist/kena and 2x dw maelstrom weapon, going vampire, can MAYBE allow for some hybrid stuff, even right now.

But thats the only possibility I can think off of the top of my head, in current situaton...

Also there is some sets which only were useful in the past, like the light armour set called "Elegance", which offered weapon dmg and max magicka, aswell as 10% increase on light/heavy attacks. It worked because Staff Damage scaled off Weapon Damage, and the 10% dmg increase wasnt affected by softcaps.

I also guess the Undaunted sets like "Undaunted Unweaver","Undaunted Infiltrator"
were intended for Hybrid Builds, but with the removal of Soft Caps they became equally useless like the aforementioned "Elegance" Set

I agree with what you're saying, there is maybe 1 possible Hyrbid build that could work, and even then it's not going to be strong enough if you want to compete top level.

Emma_Overload · April 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

No softcaps please.
Its not fun when everyone has the same build and you cant outperform a class with better class abilities.
Imo, people are too nostalgic and forget about 1.5 (and lower) issues.

I agree completely! Another thing people forget about the Soft Cap Era is that there used to be several methods of managing resources that simply don't work anymore. For example, I used to use the Desert Rose set and Energy Overload to keep my magicka flowing indefinitely during combat. Well, the Desert Rose got nerfed hard and it's no longer possible to keep 100% uptime on Overload because Ultimate generation got nerfed, too. Arch-Mage and Warlock were also great sustain sets that got nerfed. I doubt the situation is any better for stamina builds.

If they brought back soft caps today, it would be a disaster because everyone's regen would go in the toilet, and there wouldn't be many alternative strategies for regaining resources in combat.

LadyNalcarya · April 2016

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

No softcaps please.
Its not fun when everyone has the same build and you cant outperform a class with better class abilities.
Imo, people are too nostalgic and forget about 1.5 (and lower) issues.

So you're saying, that right now, not everyone is using the same stuff? I disagree.

While I agree about the class abilities needing adjustment in case, I think the softcaps are the best way to introduce hybrid builds again.

I also think softcaps can bring even more builds about, since everyone can have decent stats and therefore can try more variations with currently unused Item Sets, without completely ruining stats.

Think of it like this:

"Being at softcap on the most important stats (which is achieved easily) is enough to run the harder dungeons without trouble"

Now you have the choice between 2 sets, both have the same 2/3/4 piece bonus, so the choice here is about the 5pc bonus:

- Hundings Rage: +300 weapon dmg (150 only with softcaps)
- Vipers Sting 1260 poison dmg on melee attack

You can either go for Hundings for higher Stats (which you dont need to compete) or you can make use of Vipers' Sting for a different 5pc, which is unaffected by softcaps and can proc poison related effects and will always deal a flat amount of damage, which - thanks to softcaps -is now a valid choice.

The same can go for comparing Law of Julianos to Infallible Mage: The 5pc bonus grants a flat dmg bonus to heavy attacks, which lets it come closer to Julianos, thanks to Softcaps.

Not the best examples, but I hope you get the idea.

Huh, I remember that meta builds were around even with softcaps... Which means that some options were still superior to others.
Remember our vamp dk overlords? They could care less about your hunding or viper sets.
And in pve now at least you can pull high dps on all classes. Remember being invited in trial as a sorc only for negate?

Birdovic · April 2016

Huh, I remember that meta builds were around even with softcaps... Which means that some options were still superior to others.
Remember our vamp dk overlords? They could care less about your hunding or viper sets.
And in pve now at least you can pull high dps on all classes. Remember being invited in trial as a sorc only for negate?

Ha ofc I remember! But that was only a possibility due to the old Ult generation system, the same reason that allowed vamp sorc to nonstop batswarm by insta filling ult with a streak or two trough enemy groups etc.

The Hunding/Viper comparison wasnt the best example I admit it.

What I wanted to say is, with softcaps the gap between min/max builds, (always using set x and y) and average builds was not THAT huge as it is nowadays.
Lets say the softcap for weapon dmg is at 2000 and youre exactly at this cap.
Using Hunding gives you 2150 weapon dmg and viper set remains at 2000 but has an alternate way to deal some extra dmg, without being affected by softcaps at all. Now, It may still be dealing less dps overall, but not too much to make it completely ignored/worthless.

Without softcaps the Gap between Hundings(2300 wpn dmg now) and Viper set increases and brings about the boring dmg stacking meta we have atm (which doesnt allow for build variety aswell).

kawazu874b16_ESO · April 2016

is there anyway to make hybrids viable again without changing the high dmg meta?

no, the essence of high curves for damage/resistances is no hybrid in end game.

pinchedrug00 · April 2016

What do you guys think about the new hybrid set that bumps spell and weapon dmg up to whichever is higher? I'm defiantly trying that set out on my nb. ill try out a ranged sap/poison build with valkin skoria and ill use 2 piece agility and 2 willpower all weapon dmg. i'll also run max food and rely on siphoning attacks for resources

Birdovic · April 2016

pinchedrug00 wrote: »

What do you guys think about the new hybrid set that bumps spell and weapon dmg up to whichever is higher? I'm defiantly trying that set out on my nb. ill try out a ranged sap/poison build with valkin skoria and ill use 2 piece agility and 2 willpower all weapon dmg. i'll also run max food and rely on siphoning attacks for resources

Its an Interesting set for sure.
Besides making overload useful on a stam sorc, I dont see much use in it, yet.

failkiwib16_ESO · April 2016

I remember hybrid damage dealers getting told to rebuild or quit guilds, because trials AA and Hel Ra were hard back then, and required certain amount of dps from players.

Oh the good old days when decent damage dealers would pull 700 dps, the top players would deal 1400+ dps.

Restoration staff used to be the main and best dps weapon for magicka users, and trial healers would wear weapon damage glyphs on their jewelry, and medium armor was the gear that gave the best heals, and tanks wore light armor for protection .... and dragonknights were standard spammers, sorcerers were negate spammers, nightblades were veil of blade spammers, magicka templars were only good for healing, all class abilities were magicka based... oh and Argonians were OP.

the good ol' 1.5 patch

But seriously, dungeon bosses are taking down by dealing damage to them, so the more dedicated a damage dealers build and gear is toward damage - the better they will perform as a damage dealer. Hybrids have always been welcomed and viable as healers and tanks.

Birdovic · April 2016

Stop this nostalgia

Autolycus · April 2016

I could say a lot more on the topic if I had more time, but I wanted to share this new set with you guys. This set opens up a lot of new hybrid possibilities.

The image is a bit small, so here's a direct link:
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Sentinel · April 2016

Hybrids are viable.

Keep in mind, fully buffed, both weapon and spell damage rest at about 3.5k (as a result of fury set (max 750), heavy armor weapon damage buff (max 200) , and weapon enchant proc(always 300)).

greylox · April 2016

Hybrids seem to be back! I know what I'm doing when DB comes out...can't wait to try this. Maybe mix it with Bahara's curse, really enjoying that set atm on my orc.

pinchedrug00 · April 2016

nice, u run max food? @Sentinel i can see this kind of set up working decent on my nb

QuebraRegra · April 2016

bring back caps... solved.

greylox · April 2016

QuebraRegra wrote: »

bring back caps... solved.

Well, we can only dream

Sentinel · April 2016

pinchedrug00 wrote: »

nice, u run max food? @Sentinel i can see this kind of set up working decent on my nb

I ran the crown drinks.
Preferably, I would use the tri stat drinks, or the orzoga health tri-stat. With that, I'd have 35k health reliably in cyro, and decent damage on top.

This build has dueled, and won as well as lost. It should transfer as well or even better to the other classes.
2pc engine guardian, 5pc pelinals, 5pc fury's

Amdar_Godkiller · April 2016

Dunmer Hybrid DK Idea?

Twice born + 1 Kena + 1 Pelinal (5 medium, 2 light, all divines, all tri-stat)
3 Pelinal Jewelry
Maelstorm Stam weapon
Pelinal Destruction Staff

Weapon Damage + Max Magicka Mundus

Emma_Overload · April 2016

Sentinel wrote: »

Hybrids are viable.

Keep in mind, fully buffed, both weapon and spell damage rest at about 3.5k (as a result of fury set (max 750), heavy armor weapon damage buff (max 200) , and weapon enchant proc(always 300)).

Man, it's gonna be hilarious if Sorcs start wearing Pelinal's just so they can stack weapon damage easier with enchants AND get the 60% heals with Critical Surge (versus the 40% heals with Power Surge).

failkiwib16_ESO · April 2016

@Sentinel that is a really fun pvp build you've got there, thanks a lot for sharing.

I wonder how my Orc sorc would work with those sets o.O

psychotic13 · April 2016

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Dunmer Hybrid DK Idea?

Twice born + 1 Kena + 1 Pelinal (5 medium, 2 light, all divines, all tri-stat)
3 Pelinal Jewelry
Maelstorm Stam weapon
Pelinal Destruction Staff

Weapon Damage + Max Magicka Mundus

I believe the pelinal is craftable, so no jewlery I'm afraid.