What if...

kadar · April 2016

What if...
When you die, it wasn't a bug/hack/exploit/macro?

I believe there is an element of toxicity to the ESO community, and it has to do with the fact that no one seems willing to be introspective about shortcomings in their gameplay (whether they were killed in Cyrodiil, can't clear vMA, or got Zerged). The automatic assumption (in PVP) is that someone MUST have been cheating.

Now, understand...I have the technical expertise of a turtle. I've gotten angry tells accusing me of everything from macros to exploits to hacks. Constantly. All because I can animation cancel well. That said, bugs, hacks, exploits, and macros exist. Absolutely, they do. But if I had a doughnut every time someone cried exploit, when there was no exploit...I would be quite obese. In fact, dead-- of obesity.

Because of this seemingly wide spread attitude, I believe we're actually making it harder for ZOS to address the problems in game that DO exist. It's a classic tale of the Boy Who Cried Exploit!

What if...we as a community, when confronted with our own mortality on the fields of Cyrodiil, examined the facts, accounted for lag, analyzed our mistakes, and gave players the benefit of the doubt, BEFORE evaluating whether the enemy could be cheating? The truth is...most players do not cheat. Even fewer intentionally. Screaming that every player who uses Shuffle (for example

) is an exploiter does nothing for the community, nothing for getting things fixed, and nothing for the amazing gameplay experience that we all hope ESO can be. I think there is value in bringing positivity, constructive criticism, a clear head, and an open mind to the forums, instead of the inverse.

Sallington · April 2016

The lag stops, and 99% of the confusion and frustration goes away. Everything seems broken with 999+ ping.

Zyle · April 2016

The_Outsider wrote: »

What if...
When you die, it wasn't a bug/hack/exploit/macro?

I believe there is an element of toxicity to the ESO community, and it has to do with the fact that no one seems willing to be introspective about shortcomings in their gameplay (whether they were killed in Cyrodiil, can't clear vMA, or got Zerged). The automatic assumption (in PVP) is that someone MUST have been cheating.

Now, understand...I have the technical expertise of a turtle. I've gotten angry tells accusing me of everything from macros to exploits to hacks. Constantly. All because I can animation cancel well. That said, bugs, hacks, exploits, and macros exist. Absolutely, they do. But if I had a doughnut every time someone cried exploit, when there was no exploit...I would be quite obese. In fact, dead-- of obesity.

Because of this seemingly wide spread attitude, I believe we're actually making it harder for ZOS to address the problems in game that DO exist. It's a classic tale of the Boy Who Cried Exploit!

What if...we as a community, when confronted with our own mortality on the fields of Cyrodiil, examined the facts, accounted for lag, analyzed our mistakes, and gave players the benefit of the doubt, BEFORE evaluating whether the enemy could be cheating? The truth is...most players do not cheat. Even fewer intentionally. Screaming that every player who uses Shuffle (for example ) is an exploiter does nothing for the community, nothing for getting things fixed, and nothing for the amazing gameplay experience that we all hope ESO can be. I think there is value in bringing positivity, constructive criticism, a clear head, and an open mind to the forums, instead of the inverse.

Mostly due to the fact that at least half the the gaming (not just ESO) population has no clue what exploiting/hacking/scripting is. The other half just thinks they're so good they shouldn't die

bitaken · April 2016

The lag creates this vision of "hacks, cheats, sploits" are why I died.

The reason is simple. Most of the time if someone kills your average player - and they use ani cancels to do it - it happens almost instantly on their screen. The reaction is - "WTF omg hacks" "JFC - this guys and his macros" "What in tarnation just happened?" and it's real.

Mojmir · April 2016

your right, its my fault i cant swap weapon bars to heal myself. lol

Lord-Stien · April 2016

can i have your doughnuts ?

Vangy · April 2016

What if.... we NERF RADIANT DES..... oh wait. This isnt one of those threads. My bad.

HoloYoitsu · April 2016

Obliterate · April 2016

Pretty much, I died.

Creates thread
NERF NIGHTBLADES, TEMPLARS, SORCERERS too OP.

Ghostbane · April 2016

Obliterate wrote: »

Pretty much, I died.

Creates thread
NERF NIGHTBLADES, TEMPLARS, SORCERERS too OP.

Is this an endorsement to say BUFF DKs ?

kadar · April 2016

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

It's a beautiful dream.... :')

istateres · April 2016

What if, this was actually a question; not a soapbox speech.

kadar · April 2016

istateres wrote: »

What if, this was actually a question; not a soapbox speech.

It is rather preachy. But it IS a question. I want to know what the community thinks about this. But I'm afraid I have my answer: Memes and sarcasm. Sad khajiit is sad.

kadar · April 2016

Sallington wrote: »

The lag stops, and 99% of the confusion and frustration goes away. Everything seems broken with 999+ ping.

Mmm. True. Hard to be optimistic about lag being fixed anytime in the future.

DarkStrifeYT · April 2016

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

lol

Duiwel · April 2016

OP 80% of the time I die it's due to the game freezing in PvP because of lag.

The times I don't die are the ones I can finish the entire fight ( which is often ), but you are not asking that you are talking about when I die.

My favourate part about dying is my friends would tell me I am still alive while I crashed the game on purpose to rush the relog, I log in waiting on the loading screen, it logs me out then I get an error message, either servers are full, some other bull crap excuse or it will tell me I need a valid internet connection ( gee that's funny I am on voice chat on the internet ) anyway I finally get in and guess what? By now I am either dead or I was killed and it reset me to the start of the map so I am at the home base. Now I need to run back FAR back, instead of having a friend res me.

Sure OP totally my fault...

I agree with the meme btw, I don't care about balance

frozywozy · April 2016

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Outside of the harness changes, I think balance looks great for DB.

Göttermutter · April 2016

cheating is not cheating at all but in some cases you will see it automaticly, if some has more time against 4 to get damage out than to care how many damage he will get on hisself by that.
Next you have the macro users, not far away by the addon user called "focused aimed" and "animation chancel!"
I dont write know all cheatings and exploits, also macros here down, the mass of them is emensive.
It is also clear that no normal Player can put out 5-6-7-8- depense on your healthstatus- puts out in less than one second, before you get an instant death, if 3 o4 of them have a cast time by a second/ each or longer.
Here youcan see that is going wrong and the addons i spoke on, i will read in and if it so that zos allowed them and they go in in the mechanics so far, than the hell will burn.

kadar · April 2016

Duiwel wrote: »

OP 80% of the time I die it's due to the game freezing in PvP because of lag.

The times I don't die are the ones I can finish the entire fight ( which is often ), but you are not asking that you are talking about when I die.

My favourate part about dying is my friends would tell me I am still alive while I crashed the game on purpose to rush the relog, I log in waiting on the loading screen, it logs me out then I get an error message, either servers are full, some other bull crap excuse or it will tell me I need a valid internet connection ( gee that's funny I am on voice chat on the internet ) anyway I finally get in and guess what? By now I am either dead or I was killed and it reset me to the start of the map so I am at the home base. Now I need to run back FAR back, instead of having a friend res me.

Sure OP totally my fault...

I agree with the meme btw, I don't care about balance

Unless you only play on Trueflame NA during peak hours theres no way you should be having that much lag. If you are, it must be your rig. I play lag-free 70% of the time by avoiding pop locks and peak hours. I GET that there's lag. But it's exactly that attitude that is so toxic. Frankly the "80% of the times I die it's not my fault" is the epitome of BS. IMO, doesn't matter how good you are, the majority of the time it's your own fault you die. The other large % of the time it's lags fault. And 0.5% of the time it's a macro/exploit/bug/hack.

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