Crating Bag Exclusivity is Unfair

babylon · April 2016

Just sub or stop complaining. Gawd.

Callous2208 · April 2016

I heard they were thinking about giving non subs the option to rent the bag for $14.99/mo. Can't find the post but I believe it was mentioned that they would throw in some crowns and a few little exp boosts or something, as long as the non-sub was renting the bag. Seems like a good deal to me, should help alleviate some of the concerns of those in this thread.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · April 2016

babylon wrote: »

Just sub or stop complaining. Gawd.

This. Non-subs have nobody to blame but themselves if they choose not to sub.

Zyle · April 2016

babylon wrote: »

Just sub or stop complaining. Gawd.

I require stability before I sub again, but making the bags exclusive is the wrong way of going about things.

Tommy1979AtWar · April 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

I don't understand why they didn't just increase the bank space allowance in order to accommodate the ever increasing mat list like everyone asked for, it would have been far simpler.

Because... money!

And quite possibly a social experience.

lol yeah there's that I guess.

At least we don't have to read any whiny "waaaa my sub isn't worth the measly $15" threads anymore, now we just have to read the elitist "hey you got boned being sold the B2P model so can suck it" threads.

Zyle · April 2016

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

I don't understand why they didn't just increase the bank space allowance in order to accommodate the ever increasing mat list like everyone asked for, it would have been far simpler.

Because... money!

And quite possibly a social experience.

lol yeah there's that I guess.

At least we don't have to read any whiny "waaaa my sub isn't worth the measly $15" threads anymore, now we just have to read the elitist "hey you got boned being sold the B2P model so can suck it" threads.

Not sure why they're so rampant, they're getting the bags so I don't even understand why they comment in this thread other than to bait. Maybe because they're trying to validate being ripped off monthly.

Wolfshead · April 2016

Wanderinlost wrote: »

Extremely disappointed they are making crafting bags sub only "perk". It's more than just a nice perk for crafters. It's the exact kind of feature that should not be implemented to sub only because then you are in a position where you feel a subscription is mandatory for your style of play and if you are subscribing then what do all the previous unlocks and DLC purchases amount to? It is a major feature that has been requested for a long damn time. Personally it frustrates me because the game itself is so loot heavy inventory management has been a constant issue since day one, and even with all the space you can currently buy/unlock you can still fill your inventory in 20 minutes of play.

Even if it was priced at $30-$50 it would be far better than this restriction to sub only. It is a buy to play game, and we all bought into that idea and supported the game through DLC and crown purchases, not to have something this important restricted at a later date in order to drive up sub numbers. Making the sub more attractive is fine and good sense but this is taking it too far. For some of us this has been a #1 requested feature for a long time(above content), and there have been many indications by the devs that it would be added sometime in the future. However by making this sub only feature you are putting all your buy to play customers in a extremely distasteful position.

If I am left in a position to sub in order to get this feature or not then I will probably never by any DLC, any crown packs and sub for a month or two per year at best. In the end it will be a lose-lose situation and a great disappointment for what was one of the better examples of MMO monetization. Currently ESO has great flexibility but this move is a major step backwards that nullifies the advantages of B2P and the crown store.

Edit:

ESO+ getting this feature is a great reward and incentive. However putting this feature on the crown store in no way diminishes the value of that feature. ESO+ is going to have the bag, although the rest of us are going to be left with no recourse to improve the dismal inventory management that has plagued us for years other than switching to ESO+, which after buying DLC for a year is a major loss.

Many have argued that this is going to be good for the game as it will increase income the game generates. I would argue the opposite. If it comes down to it, instead of spending over $100-$200 a year on DLC and cash shop purchases it will cost far less to sub a few months per year, not ever buy any crown packs and get the use of the feature at no additional cost. As a loyal player I would prefer not to do this but loyalty can easily turn to hostility when you are faced with the prospect of dealing with inventory woes every 20 minutes with no end in sight or having to abandon the principle Zenimax sold us the game on to get an important QoL feature.

Restriction and exclusivity were the principles F2P was founded on and there are still games today which embrace these qualities. ESO made a great move by going B2P and taking on the more modern approach of all carrot and no stick. While I could not compare ESO in any way to those early games this is an exclusive QoL feature and that exclusivity will not benefit ESO+ members or members. Sell it, please.

Why should ESO+ member have any benefit honest those benefit we have today is not worth so much if look at them i personal glad the have ESO+ member some new benefit for honest it should be more advantage be sub player then F2P player

Slurg · April 2016

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

I don't understand why they didn't just increase the bank space allowance in order to accommodate the ever increasing mat list like everyone asked for, it would have been far simpler.

Because... money!

And quite possibly a social experience.

lol yeah there's that I guess.

At least we don't have to read any whiny "waaaa my sub isn't worth the measly $15" threads anymore, now we just have to read the elitist "hey you got boned being sold the B2P model so can suck it" threads.

And there are fewer threads of the second type so it's an overall win, I suppose.

The saddest part is most people wouldn't even have inventory issues if ZOS had kept increasing the bank space to accommodate the dozens of new crafting items they've introduced in the past year. Bank space they could sell for crowns and make money on!

But instead ZOS intentionally chose to create a problem with inventory management over the past year and then turn down money from the players they've intentionally inconvenienced unless it comes in a specific way. That's what I'm scratching my head at.

VodkaVixen1979 · April 2016

ADarklore wrote: »

Well hey, they are adding the ability to buy FOUR more character slots... so there are four more inventory mules for B2P players, that should help with their inventory management. ;p

How about you subs get four free characters and B2P gets the crafting bag. See how much you like the convenience of logging in and out to transfer mats among mules. All the QQ that would commence if the shoe was on the other foot...

Volkodav · April 2016

Wanderinlost wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

You've bought three DLCs and how many crowns in how long? Not being snarky.I really am curious about around how much you have put into ESO.I've paid in two years $15.00 per month along with the initial output of $80.00 for the full game plus upgrade. Plus I've bought quite a bit of crowns during that time. I can bet it pretty much evens out between the both of us.So,I support this game more than most non-subs do,as do all other ESO+ members.Most non-subbers will buy the DLCs and some crowns and that's it pretty much,while subbers still pay every month,and many buy crowns as well every month along with costumes,mounts,and pets. It all adds up.I also have paid for each DLC though I didnt have to.Just in case I cant pay my sub for whatever reason that month or a few months.
Those who dont sub have a problem with the idea that subbers are important to ZOS,though I dont know why this is.
I commented about the descent among forum members to Gidorick.We both think is is really sad that the PvPers resent the PvErs,the non-subbers resent the subbers,etc.It really is sad.

I have yet to hear a satisfactory answer as to how this feature being exclusive will benefit ESO+ members? You are getting the feature. Do you get anything out of the availability being denied to the rest of the playerbase? We would have to pay for it and it would probably be around $50 because given the price of assistants it would be on a similar scale. So why are so many ESO+ members so insistent that nobody else should be able to buy this feature when it will not effect your gameplay in the slightest?

I have read nothing that indicates people have a problem with ESO+ members getting special benefits. On the other hand there is widespread perception that if non-subs had the ability to buy this feature it would somehow be a bad thing. Why?

If I resent subbers it is because in the MMO sphere there is a common elitist attitude that those who have chosen microtransactions, F2P, and B2P etc. are somehow inferior or less of customers than to those who rent their games as a service. When it comes down to it the subscription model failed catastrophically across the board and only a handful of games are able to survive on it out of a few hundred. ESO may perhaps be one of the few who can turn that around, although this is not the way to do it.

I'm sorry,but you have me wrong here.
Where did I say anything about not wanting those who dont sub to have the bags? Personally,I think they should be available on the crown store too.Why not.I'm happy us subbers are going to get them for free,but,I have no problem with them being sold in the crown store.I am not one of those who think just because i sub,I should have something that others shouldnt have.

Tommy1979AtWar · April 2016

Slurg wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

I don't understand why they didn't just increase the bank space allowance in order to accommodate the ever increasing mat list like everyone asked for, it would have been far simpler.

Because... money!

And quite possibly a social experience.

lol yeah there's that I guess.

At least we don't have to read any whiny "waaaa my sub isn't worth the measly $15" threads anymore, now we just have to read the elitist "hey you got boned being sold the B2P model so can suck it" threads.

And there are fewer threads of the second type so it's an overall win, I suppose.

The saddest part is most people wouldn't even have inventory issues if ZOS had kept increasing the bank space to accommodate the dozens of new crafting items they've introduced in the past year. Bank space they could sell for crowns and make money on!

But instead ZOS intentionally chose to create a problem with inventory management over the past year and then turn down money from the players they've intentionally inconvenienced unless it comes in a specific way. That's what I'm scratching my head at.

Sadly you're scratching your head because you're logical, zos doesn't do logic unless it can squeeze a few bucks out of you.

Hey how many of you subs live in Antartica?... I hear zos might have some ice to sell you.
I found it quite ironic and somewhat amusing that the newest mat to take up inventory space for those of us duped into being sold the B2P model is "snake oil" lol

Volkodav · April 2016

Slurg wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

I don't understand why they didn't just increase the bank space allowance in order to accommodate the ever increasing mat list like everyone asked for, it would have been far simpler.

Because... money!

And quite possibly a social experience.

lol yeah there's that I guess.

At least we don't have to read any whiny "waaaa my sub isn't worth the measly $15" threads anymore, now we just have to read the elitist "hey you got boned being sold the B2P model so can suck it" threads.

And there are fewer threads of the second type so it's an overall win, I suppose.

The saddest part is most people wouldn't even have inventory issues if ZOS had kept increasing the bank space to accommodate the dozens of new crafting items they've introduced in the past year. Bank space they could sell for crowns and make money on!

But instead ZOS intentionally chose to create a problem with inventory management over the past year and then turn down money from the players they've intentionally inconvenienced unless it comes in a specific way. That's what I'm scratching my head at.

Actually.,they do sell bank space in the crown store,which is cheaper to pay for than ingame gold.This is because the price keeps going up higher and higher each time you pay gold .To pay with crowns,if you sub,makes it pretty much free for 10 extra slots in your bank.Since you pay only 1000 crowns for those slots.

Slurg · April 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

I don't understand why they didn't just increase the bank space allowance in order to accommodate the ever increasing mat list like everyone asked for, it would have been far simpler.

Because... money!

And quite possibly a social experience.

lol yeah there's that I guess.

At least we don't have to read any whiny "waaaa my sub isn't worth the measly $15" threads anymore, now we just have to read the elitist "hey you got boned being sold the B2P model so can suck it" threads.

And there are fewer threads of the second type so it's an overall win, I suppose.

The saddest part is most people wouldn't even have inventory issues if ZOS had kept increasing the bank space to accommodate the dozens of new crafting items they've introduced in the past year. Bank space they could sell for crowns and make money on!

But instead ZOS intentionally chose to create a problem with inventory management over the past year and then turn down money from the players they've intentionally inconvenienced unless it comes in a specific way. That's what I'm scratching my head at.

Actually.,they do sell bank space in the crown store,which is cheaper to pay for than ingame gold.This is because the price keeps going up higher and higher each time you pay gold .To pay with crowns,if you sub,makes it pretty much free for 10 extra slots in your bank.Since you pay only 1000 crowns for those slots.

This is why I am saying they are turning down money. There is a cap on bank space and when you reach it you cannot purchase more with either gold or crowns. That cap has not been raised in a year. If they had raised the max cap on bank space with every update as they added additional materials they would have had floods of people buying bank space in the crown store because it is so expensive to buy with gold. Subscribers with their included crowns and B2P players with their purchased crowns. They have chosen not to do that, therefore they are turning down money from people who would buy crowns for this.

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

I found it quite ironic and somewhat amusing that the newest mat to take up inventory space for those of us duped into being sold the B2P model is "snake oil" lol

I LOL'd when I saw that on PTS!

Tommy1979AtWar · April 2016

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Volkodav wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

I don't understand why they didn't just increase the bank space allowance in order to accommodate the ever increasing mat list like everyone asked for, it would have been far simpler.

Because... money!

And quite possibly a social experience.

lol yeah there's that I guess.

At least we don't have to read any whiny "waaaa my sub isn't worth the measly $15" threads anymore, now we just have to read the elitist "hey you got boned being sold the B2P model so can suck it" threads.

And there are fewer threads of the second type so it's an overall win, I suppose.

The saddest part is most people wouldn't even have inventory issues if ZOS had kept increasing the bank space to accommodate the dozens of new crafting items they've introduced in the past year. Bank space they could sell for crowns and make money on!

But instead ZOS intentionally chose to create a problem with inventory management over the past year and then turn down money from the players they've intentionally inconvenienced unless it comes in a specific way. That's what I'm scratching my head at.

Actually.,they do sell bank space in the crown store,which is cheaper to pay for than ingame gold.This is because the price keeps going up higher and higher each time you pay gold .To pay with crowns,if you sub,makes it pretty much free for 10 extra slots in your bank.Since you pay only 1000 crowns for those slots.

The cap is 240 bank spaces regardless whether you pay crowns or ingame gold.

Tankqull · April 2016

well it is simple.

their main audiance are consoles, ZOS lacked the bargaining skills to get their ESO+ into the online packages of Sony and MS and thus would double charge console players - thats why they went B2P (beside console players are even more unwilling to pay monthly fees than PC players do) and made any DLC purchasable.

now they "force" the double charge onto the console players if they want to have the crafting bags effectivly tripple charging them as they were used to buy the DLCs to play them as the ESO+ system was highly unprofitable.
as this thread shows alot of the player base is unhappy with this decission, even though console players unlike Pc players a not that forum active...

so sooner or later ZOS wil cater towards their cash cows and implement a purchasable pendant to the crafting bags, maybe not acc wide but for a single char(?)...

DeadlyPhoenix · April 2016

This is ridiculous in my honest opinion... All you who keep saying that ESO+ people should only get the bags are insane. Why should you get the bag and not me? I bought the game, have bought every DLC, buy crowns here and there and spend more in a year on the game than an ESO+ subscriber does yet I am not able to purchase something that will dramatically help my inventory? That is unfair. I am a paying customer just like the subbers and I support the game more than a lot of them. So why shouldn't I be allowed to purchase it?

I have never subbed and never will... Increased XP? Who needs it, it's easy to level as is. Increased gold? Who cares when the majority of the money you make comes from guild traders. The crowns you get? I can purchase them myself. Subbing just shows you support the game. You shouldn't be given items and enhancements for doing so. I should be able to purchase the bag outright, or at least make it a monthly fee that is lower than the cost of subbing since you don't get the added perks. All in all, it's whatever, but I'm tired of switching between alts to put crafting items in the bank to log back onto my crafter to craft what I need. There isn't enough inventory space if you're like me and you collect. I have never and will never delete an undaunted 2 piece set or a legendary set I have crafted, they're too expensive and I can use them some day on an alt. With enchanting and alchemy alone that's nearly enough to fill your slots and that's not including potency runes, just essence and aspect.

Please allow me to purchase it with crowns, if you do I promise to sub for one month haha! As if I haven't spent enough on the game already.

EDIT;
Stop saying people who don't sub don't support the game. We bought it, we buy dlc, we buy crowns, I support it more than most of you subbers. You don't HAVE to sub or pay a fee to play. You do it by choice, just like I choose to buy crowns instead. I support the game just as much as a subscriber if not more so. I'm not asking for a handout or a freebie, I'm asking to make it purchasable with crowns. That is fair for all, even you subbers as you get crowns every month for being one. You can buy it too... Limiting this to the very few people who sub is dumb. Sorry that's just my opinion.

DeadlyPhoenix · April 2016

Elder_III wrote: »

I want a "Disagree" button. The only reason to sub the past year+ was to "support the developers" (which I have done on 2 accounts). It will be nice to actually have some perceivable benefit for my wife and I going forward.

*$ wise it has been more affordable to buy dlcs with Crowns, so I view that perk as a wash.*

Honestly I wouldn't mind if they made a smaller bag for crown store purchase and an infinite one for ESO+ subscribers. As long as it had enough space to place a reasonable amount of materials in it to clear up my inventory and bank. As long as it is a reasonable price I would purchase it and be happy with it. As it is though they haven't said anything regarding that option though, but they should seriously consider it.

rotaugen454 · April 2016

VodkaVixen1979 wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Well hey, they are adding the ability to buy FOUR more character slots... so there are four more inventory mules for B2P players, that should help with their inventory management. ;p

How about you subs get four free characters and B2P gets the crafting bag. See how much you like the convenience of logging in and out to transfer mats among mules. All the QQ that would commence if the shoe was on the other foot...

I already have been for two years. All of us have.

Darkestnght · April 2016

Life is unfair get use to it. Suck it up and move on.

Volkodav · April 2016

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

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Volkodav wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

I don't understand why they didn't just increase the bank space allowance in order to accommodate the ever increasing mat list like everyone asked for, it would have been far simpler.

Because... money!

And quite possibly a social experience.

lol yeah there's that I guess.

At least we don't have to read any whiny "waaaa my sub isn't worth the measly $15" threads anymore, now we just have to read the elitist "hey you got boned being sold the B2P model so can suck it" threads.

And there are fewer threads of the second type so it's an overall win, I suppose.

The saddest part is most people wouldn't even have inventory issues if ZOS had kept increasing the bank space to accommodate the dozens of new crafting items they've introduced in the past year. Bank space they could sell for crowns and make money on!

But instead ZOS intentionally chose to create a problem with inventory management over the past year and then turn down money from the players they've intentionally inconvenienced unless it comes in a specific way. That's what I'm scratching my head at.

Actually.,they do sell bank space in the crown store,which is cheaper to pay for than ingame gold.This is because the price keeps going up higher and higher each time you pay gold .To pay with crowns,if you sub,makes it pretty much free for 10 extra slots in your bank.Since you pay only 1000 crowns for those slots.

The cap is 240 bank spaces regardless whether you pay crowns or ingame gold.

Yeah,..this is true.

Korah_Eaglecry · April 2016

Zyle wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Just sub or stop complaining. Gawd.

I require stability before I sub again, but making the bags exclusive is the wrong way of going about things.

If youve spent money on any of the recent Limited Time Only items or the Motifs you have no room to complain as you had more than enough to sub with.

Zyle · April 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Zyle wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Just sub or stop complaining. Gawd.

I require stability before I sub again, but making the bags exclusive is the wrong way of going about things.

If youve spent money on any of the recent Limited Time Only items or the Motifs you have no room to complain as you had more than enough to sub with.

Good thing I didn't

EDIT: Also way to completely miss the point.

Tandor · April 2016

player_klaus wrote: »

wth is a Crating Bag?

Did it really take to Page 20 for someone to spot the need for this question

?

babylon · April 2016

Just to recap - these people who have not been subbing all this time seem to think the people who have been subbing all this time are idiots paying for something the b2pers don't think is of any value. Soon as an item that the b2p people think is of value they want it to be something they can have while still not buying a sub as to them a sub isn't of value, even though a certain item that now comes with a sub is of value to them. They want something, but do not want to have to pay as much as a subber pays, because to the b2p mind it's foolish to waste money like we do - they are so used to getting everything they want cheaply. In short, they want ZOS to give it to them cheaper same as everything else is for them.

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Zyle · April 2016

babylon wrote: »

Just to recap - these people who have not been subbing all this time seem to think the people who have been subbing all this time are idiots paying for something the b2pers don't think is of any value. Soon as an item that the b2p people think is of value they want it to be something they can have while still not buying a sub as to them a sub isn't of value, even though a certain item that now comes with a sub is of value to them. They want something, but do not want to have to pay as much as a subber pays, because to the b2p mind it's foolish to waste money like we do - they are so used to getting everything they want cheaply. In short, they want ZOS to give it to them cheaper same as everything else is for them.

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Important thing to note about your idea: this is the first time since B2P was introduced that they're offering an exclusive item. I have had the choice to not sub, since ZOS decided they were going to go that route, and buy what is necessary. It seems you're more interested in bashing B2P players than having a realistic discussion about the exclusivity of said bag.

Pay as much as a subber pays? You guys won't pay anything for this addition while we're asking to pay for it. Get off yer high horse, friend.

DeadlyPhoenix · April 2016

babylon wrote: »

Just to recap - these people who have not been subbing all this time seem to think the people who have been subbing all this time are idiots paying for something the b2pers don't think is of any value. Soon as an item that the b2p people think is of value they want it to be something they can have while still not buying a sub as to them a sub isn't of value, even though a certain item that now comes with a sub is of value to them. They want something, but do not want to have to pay as much as a subber pays, because to the b2p mind it's foolish to waste money like we do - they are so used to getting everything they want cheaply. In short, they want ZOS to give it to them cheaper same as everything else is for them.

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Has nothing to do with wanting things cheaper and you're right, I find no use for subbing. I already spend more in a year than a subscriber does, so why shouldn't I be allowed to purchase it? You choose to sub to support them, I choose to purchase crowns instead to support the game. $15 a month or $20-$50 a month? Do the math to figure out which one adds up to more. Go ahead, I'll wait....

You're right though, it finally has something I want from it, but don't I spend enough already? Why should I have to pay an additional $15 a month to get an item that should be available to all for purchase in game without a monthly subscription.

babylon · April 2016

Zyle wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Just to recap - these people who have not been subbing all this time seem to think the people who have been subbing all this time are idiots paying for something the b2pers don't think is of any value. Soon as an item that the b2p people think is of value they want it to be something they can have while still not buying a sub as to them a sub isn't of value, even though a certain item that now comes with a sub is of value to them. They want something, but do not want to have to pay as much as a subber pays, because to the b2p mind it's foolish to waste money like we do - they are so used to getting everything they want cheaply. In short, they want ZOS to give it to them cheaper same as everything else is for them.

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Important thing to note about your idea: this is the first time since B2P was introduced that they're offering an exclusive item.

And it's about time some subscription-only benefits were introduced with value enough to make some people at least consider subscribing now. This is doing its job, and for this to work, it needs to remain a subscription-only item, or we all might as well drop our subs.

In short, if you want this then subscribe.

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Zyle · April 2016

babylon wrote: »

Zyle wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Just to recap - these people who have not been subbing all this time seem to think the people who have been subbing all this time are idiots paying for something the b2pers don't think is of any value. Soon as an item that the b2p people think is of value they want it to be something they can have while still not buying a sub as to them a sub isn't of value, even though a certain item that now comes with a sub is of value to them. They want something, but do not want to have to pay as much as a subber pays, because to the b2p mind it's foolish to waste money like we do - they are so used to getting everything they want cheaply. In short, they want ZOS to give it to them cheaper same as everything else is for them.

______________________

Important thing to note about your idea: this is the first time since B2P was introduced that they're offering an exclusive item.

And it's about time some subscription-only benefits were introduced with value enough to make some people at least consider subscribing now. This is doing its job, and for this to work, it needs to remain a subscription-only item, or we all might as well drop our subs.

I disagree, money is money and in your eyes the only money is sub-money I guess.

Edit: You just basically said pre crafting bags subscribers were wasting their money btw.

Buffler · April 2016

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Just to recap - these people who have not been subbing all this time seem to think the people who have been subbing all this time are idiots paying for something the b2pers don't think is of any value. Soon as an item that the b2p people think is of value they want it to be something they can have while still not buying a sub as to them a sub isn't of value, even though a certain item that now comes with a sub is of value to them. They want something, but do not want to have to pay as much as a subber pays, because to the b2p mind it's foolish to waste money like we do - they are so used to getting everything they want cheaply. In short, they want ZOS to give it to them cheaper same as everything else is for them.

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Has nothing to do with wanting things cheaper and you're right, I find no use for subbing. I already spend more in a year than a subscriber does, so why shouldn't I be allowed to purchase it? You choose to sub to support them, I choose to purchase crowns instead to support the game. $15 a month or $20-$50 a month? Do the math to figure out which one adds up to more. Go ahead, I'll wait....

You're right though, it finally has something I want from it, but don't I spend enough already? Why should I have to pay an additional $15 a month to get an item that should be available to all for purchase in game without a monthly subscription.

I sub and spend more than that every month

babylon · April 2016

Zyle wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Zyle wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Just to recap - these people who have not been subbing all this time seem to think the people who have been subbing all this time are idiots paying for something the b2pers don't think is of any value. Soon as an item that the b2p people think is of value they want it to be something they can have while still not buying a sub as to them a sub isn't of value, even though a certain item that now comes with a sub is of value to them. They want something, but do not want to have to pay as much as a subber pays, because to the b2p mind it's foolish to waste money like we do - they are so used to getting everything they want cheaply. In short, they want ZOS to give it to them cheaper same as everything else is for them.

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Important thing to note about your idea: this is the first time since B2P was introduced that they're offering an exclusive item.

And it's about time some subscription-only benefits were introduced with value enough to make some people at least consider subscribing now. This is doing its job, and for this to work, it needs to remain a subscription-only item, or we all might as well drop our subs.

I disagree, money is money and in your eyes the only money is sub-money I guess.

Again you're missing the point I clearly made in the first post of mine you quoted - it's cheaper by far to b2p what you need than it is to subscribe, so making subscribing more attractive is financially sound (and will get us all more content faster).

On top of this, a Crafting Bag is not something you need, it's just something you want. Now start wanting to subscribe.