Just sub or stop complaining. Gawd.
Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »I don't understand why they didn't just increase the bank space allowance in order to accommodate the ever increasing mat list like everyone asked for, it would have been far simpler.
Because... money!
And quite possibly a social experience.
Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »I don't understand why they didn't just increase the bank space allowance in order to accommodate the ever increasing mat list like everyone asked for, it would have been far simpler.
Because... money!
And quite possibly a social experience.
lol yeah there's that I guess.
At least we don't have to read any whiny "waaaa my sub isn't worth the measly $15" threads anymore, now we just have to read the elitist "hey you got boned being sold the B2P model so can suck it" threads.
Wanderinlost wrote: »Extremely disappointed they are making crafting bags sub only "perk". It's more than just a nice perk for crafters. It's the exact kind of feature that should not be implemented to sub only because then you are in a position where you feel a subscription is mandatory for your style of play and if you are subscribing then what do all the previous unlocks and DLC purchases amount to? It is a major feature that has been requested for a long damn time. Personally it frustrates me because the game itself is so loot heavy inventory management has been a constant issue since day one, and even with all the space you can currently buy/unlock you can still fill your inventory in 20 minutes of play.
Even if it was priced at $30-$50 it would be far better than this restriction to sub only. It is a buy to play game, and we all bought into that idea and supported the game through DLC and crown purchases, not to have something this important restricted at a later date in order to drive up sub numbers. Making the sub more attractive is fine and good sense but this is taking it too far. For some of us this has been a #1 requested feature for a long time(above content), and there have been many indications by the devs that it would be added sometime in the future. However by making this sub only feature you are putting all your buy to play customers in a extremely distasteful position.
If I am left in a position to sub in order to get this feature or not then I will probably never by any DLC, any crown packs and sub for a month or two per year at best. In the end it will be a lose-lose situation and a great disappointment for what was one of the better examples of MMO monetization. Currently ESO has great flexibility but this move is a major step backwards that nullifies the advantages of B2P and the crown store.
Edit:
ESO+ getting this feature is a great reward and incentive. However putting this feature on the crown store in no way diminishes the value of that feature. ESO+ is going to have the bag, although the rest of us are going to be left with no recourse to improve the dismal inventory management that has plagued us for years other than switching to ESO+, which after buying DLC for a year is a major loss.
Many have argued that this is going to be good for the game as it will increase income the game generates. I would argue the opposite. If it comes down to it, instead of spending over $100-$200 a year on DLC and cash shop purchases it will cost far less to sub a few months per year, not ever buy any crown packs and get the use of the feature at no additional cost. As a loyal player I would prefer not to do this but loyalty can easily turn to hostility when you are faced with the prospect of dealing with inventory woes every 20 minutes with no end in sight or having to abandon the principle Zenimax sold us the game on to get an important QoL feature.
Restriction and exclusivity were the principles F2P was founded on and there are still games today which embrace these qualities. ESO made a great move by going B2P and taking on the more modern approach of all carrot and no stick. While I could not compare ESO in any way to those early games this is an exclusive QoL feature and that exclusivity will not benefit ESO+ members or members. Sell it, please.
Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »I don't understand why they didn't just increase the bank space allowance in order to accommodate the ever increasing mat list like everyone asked for, it would have been far simpler.
Because... money!
And quite possibly a social experience.
lol yeah there's that I guess.
At least we don't have to read any whiny "waaaa my sub isn't worth the measly $15" threads anymore, now we just have to read the elitist "hey you got boned being sold the B2P model so can suck it" threads.
Well hey, they are adding the ability to buy FOUR more character slots... so there are four more inventory mules for B2P players, that should help with their inventory management. ;p
Wanderinlost wrote: »
You've bought three DLCs and how many crowns in how long? Not being snarky.I really am curious about around how much you have put into ESO.I've paid in two years $15.00 per month along with the initial output of $80.00 for the full game plus upgrade. Plus I've bought quite a bit of crowns during that time. I can bet it pretty much evens out between the both of us.So,I support this game more than most non-subs do,as do all other ESO+ members.Most non-subbers will buy the DLCs and some crowns and that's it pretty much,while subbers still pay every month,and many buy crowns as well every month along with costumes,mounts,and pets. It all adds up.I also have paid for each DLC though I didnt have to.Just in case I cant pay my sub for whatever reason that month or a few months.
Those who dont sub have a problem with the idea that subbers are important to ZOS,though I dont know why this is.
I commented about the descent among forum members to Gidorick.We both think is is really sad that the PvPers resent the PvErs,the non-subbers resent the subbers,etc.It really is sad.
I have yet to hear a satisfactory answer as to how this feature being exclusive will benefit ESO+ members? You are getting the feature. Do you get anything out of the availability being denied to the rest of the playerbase? We would have to pay for it and it would probably be around $50 because given the price of assistants it would be on a similar scale. So why are so many ESO+ members so insistent that nobody else should be able to buy this feature when it will not effect your gameplay in the slightest?
I have read nothing that indicates people have a problem with ESO+ members getting special benefits. On the other hand there is widespread perception that if non-subs had the ability to buy this feature it would somehow be a bad thing. Why?
If I resent subbers it is because in the MMO sphere there is a common elitist attitude that those who have chosen microtransactions, F2P, and B2P etc. are somehow inferior or less of customers than to those who rent their games as a service. When it comes down to it the subscription model failed catastrophically across the board and only a handful of games are able to survive on it out of a few hundred. ESO may perhaps be one of the few who can turn that around, although this is not the way to do it.
Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »I don't understand why they didn't just increase the bank space allowance in order to accommodate the ever increasing mat list like everyone asked for, it would have been far simpler.
Because... money!
And quite possibly a social experience.
lol yeah there's that I guess.
At least we don't have to read any whiny "waaaa my sub isn't worth the measly $15" threads anymore, now we just have to read the elitist "hey you got boned being sold the B2P model so can suck it" threads.
And there are fewer threads of the second type so it's an overall win, I suppose.
The saddest part is most people wouldn't even have inventory issues if ZOS had kept increasing the bank space to accommodate the dozens of new crafting items they've introduced in the past year. Bank space they could sell for crowns and make money on!
But instead ZOS intentionally chose to create a problem with inventory management over the past year and then turn down money from the players they've intentionally inconvenienced unless it comes in a specific way. That's what I'm scratching my head at.
Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »I don't understand why they didn't just increase the bank space allowance in order to accommodate the ever increasing mat list like everyone asked for, it would have been far simpler.
Because... money!
And quite possibly a social experience.
lol yeah there's that I guess.
At least we don't have to read any whiny "waaaa my sub isn't worth the measly $15" threads anymore, now we just have to read the elitist "hey you got boned being sold the B2P model so can suck it" threads.
And there are fewer threads of the second type so it's an overall win, I suppose.
The saddest part is most people wouldn't even have inventory issues if ZOS had kept increasing the bank space to accommodate the dozens of new crafting items they've introduced in the past year. Bank space they could sell for crowns and make money on!
But instead ZOS intentionally chose to create a problem with inventory management over the past year and then turn down money from the players they've intentionally inconvenienced unless it comes in a specific way. That's what I'm scratching my head at.
Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »I don't understand why they didn't just increase the bank space allowance in order to accommodate the ever increasing mat list like everyone asked for, it would have been far simpler.
Because... money!
And quite possibly a social experience.
lol yeah there's that I guess.
At least we don't have to read any whiny "waaaa my sub isn't worth the measly $15" threads anymore, now we just have to read the elitist "hey you got boned being sold the B2P model so can suck it" threads.
And there are fewer threads of the second type so it's an overall win, I suppose.
The saddest part is most people wouldn't even have inventory issues if ZOS had kept increasing the bank space to accommodate the dozens of new crafting items they've introduced in the past year. Bank space they could sell for crowns and make money on!
But instead ZOS intentionally chose to create a problem with inventory management over the past year and then turn down money from the players they've intentionally inconvenienced unless it comes in a specific way. That's what I'm scratching my head at.
Actually.,they do sell bank space in the crown store,which is cheaper to pay for than ingame gold.This is because the price keeps going up higher and higher each time you pay gold .To pay with crowns,if you sub,makes it pretty much free for 10 extra slots in your bank.Since you pay only 1000 crowns for those slots.
I LOL'd when I saw that on PTS!Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »I found it quite ironic and somewhat amusing that the newest mat to take up inventory space for those of us duped into being sold the B2P model is "snake oil" lol
Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »I don't understand why they didn't just increase the bank space allowance in order to accommodate the ever increasing mat list like everyone asked for, it would have been far simpler.
Because... money!
And quite possibly a social experience.
lol yeah there's that I guess.
At least we don't have to read any whiny "waaaa my sub isn't worth the measly $15" threads anymore, now we just have to read the elitist "hey you got boned being sold the B2P model so can suck it" threads.
And there are fewer threads of the second type so it's an overall win, I suppose.
The saddest part is most people wouldn't even have inventory issues if ZOS had kept increasing the bank space to accommodate the dozens of new crafting items they've introduced in the past year. Bank space they could sell for crowns and make money on!
But instead ZOS intentionally chose to create a problem with inventory management over the past year and then turn down money from the players they've intentionally inconvenienced unless it comes in a specific way. That's what I'm scratching my head at.
Actually.,they do sell bank space in the crown store,which is cheaper to pay for than ingame gold.This is because the price keeps going up higher and higher each time you pay gold .To pay with crowns,if you sub,makes it pretty much free for 10 extra slots in your bank.Since you pay only 1000 crowns for those slots.
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"
I want a "Disagree" button. The only reason to sub the past year+ was to "support the developers" (which I have done on 2 accounts). It will be nice to actually have some perceivable benefit for my wife and I going forward.
*$ wise it has been more affordable to buy dlcs with Crowns, so I view that perk as a wash.*
I already have been for two years. All of us have.VodkaVixen1979 wrote: »Well hey, they are adding the ability to buy FOUR more character slots... so there are four more inventory mules for B2P players, that should help with their inventory management. ;p
How about you subs get four free characters and B2P gets the crafting bag. See how much you like the convenience of logging in and out to transfer mats among mules. All the QQ that would commence if the shoe was on the other foot...
Tommy1979AtWar wrote: ».Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »I don't understand why they didn't just increase the bank space allowance in order to accommodate the ever increasing mat list like everyone asked for, it would have been far simpler.
Because... money!
And quite possibly a social experience.
lol yeah there's that I guess.
At least we don't have to read any whiny "waaaa my sub isn't worth the measly $15" threads anymore, now we just have to read the elitist "hey you got boned being sold the B2P model so can suck it" threads.
And there are fewer threads of the second type so it's an overall win, I suppose.
The saddest part is most people wouldn't even have inventory issues if ZOS had kept increasing the bank space to accommodate the dozens of new crafting items they've introduced in the past year. Bank space they could sell for crowns and make money on!
But instead ZOS intentionally chose to create a problem with inventory management over the past year and then turn down money from the players they've intentionally inconvenienced unless it comes in a specific way. That's what I'm scratching my head at.
Actually.,they do sell bank space in the crown store,which is cheaper to pay for than ingame gold.This is because the price keeps going up higher and higher each time you pay gold .To pay with crowns,if you sub,makes it pretty much free for 10 extra slots in your bank.Since you pay only 1000 crowns for those slots.
The cap is 240 bank spaces regardless whether you pay crowns or ingame gold.
Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »
If youve spent money on any of the recent Limited Time Only items or the Motifs you have no room to complain as you had more than enough to sub with.
player_klaus wrote: »wth is a Crating Bag?
Just to recap - these people who have not been subbing all this time seem to think the people who have been subbing all this time are idiots paying for something the b2pers don't think is of any value. Soon as an item that the b2p people think is of value they want it to be something they can have while still not buying a sub as to them a sub isn't of value, even though a certain item that now comes with a sub is of value to them. They want something, but do not want to have to pay as much as a subber pays, because to the b2p mind it's foolish to waste money like we do - they are so used to getting everything they want cheaply. In short, they want ZOS to give it to them cheaper same as everything else is for them.
______________________
Just to recap - these people who have not been subbing all this time seem to think the people who have been subbing all this time are idiots paying for something the b2pers don't think is of any value. Soon as an item that the b2p people think is of value they want it to be something they can have while still not buying a sub as to them a sub isn't of value, even though a certain item that now comes with a sub is of value to them. They want something, but do not want to have to pay as much as a subber pays, because to the b2p mind it's foolish to waste money like we do - they are so used to getting everything they want cheaply. In short, they want ZOS to give it to them cheaper same as everything else is for them.
______________________
Just to recap - these people who have not been subbing all this time seem to think the people who have been subbing all this time are idiots paying for something the b2pers don't think is of any value. Soon as an item that the b2p people think is of value they want it to be something they can have while still not buying a sub as to them a sub isn't of value, even though a certain item that now comes with a sub is of value to them. They want something, but do not want to have to pay as much as a subber pays, because to the b2p mind it's foolish to waste money like we do - they are so used to getting everything they want cheaply. In short, they want ZOS to give it to them cheaper same as everything else is for them.
______________________
Important thing to note about your idea: this is the first time since B2P was introduced that they're offering an exclusive item.
Just to recap - these people who have not been subbing all this time seem to think the people who have been subbing all this time are idiots paying for something the b2pers don't think is of any value. Soon as an item that the b2p people think is of value they want it to be something they can have while still not buying a sub as to them a sub isn't of value, even though a certain item that now comes with a sub is of value to them. They want something, but do not want to have to pay as much as a subber pays, because to the b2p mind it's foolish to waste money like we do - they are so used to getting everything they want cheaply. In short, they want ZOS to give it to them cheaper same as everything else is for them.
______________________
Important thing to note about your idea: this is the first time since B2P was introduced that they're offering an exclusive item.
And it's about time some subscription-only benefits were introduced with value enough to make some people at least consider subscribing now. This is doing its job, and for this to work, it needs to remain a subscription-only item, or we all might as well drop our subs.
DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »Just to recap - these people who have not been subbing all this time seem to think the people who have been subbing all this time are idiots paying for something the b2pers don't think is of any value. Soon as an item that the b2p people think is of value they want it to be something they can have while still not buying a sub as to them a sub isn't of value, even though a certain item that now comes with a sub is of value to them. They want something, but do not want to have to pay as much as a subber pays, because to the b2p mind it's foolish to waste money like we do - they are so used to getting everything they want cheaply. In short, they want ZOS to give it to them cheaper same as everything else is for them.
______________________
Has nothing to do with wanting things cheaper and you're right, I find no use for subbing. I already spend more in a year than a subscriber does, so why shouldn't I be allowed to purchase it? You choose to sub to support them, I choose to purchase crowns instead to support the game. $15 a month or $20-$50 a month? Do the math to figure out which one adds up to more. Go ahead, I'll wait....
You're right though, it finally has something I want from it, but don't I spend enough already? Why should I have to pay an additional $15 a month to get an item that should be available to all for purchase in game without a monthly subscription.
Just to recap - these people who have not been subbing all this time seem to think the people who have been subbing all this time are idiots paying for something the b2pers don't think is of any value. Soon as an item that the b2p people think is of value they want it to be something they can have while still not buying a sub as to them a sub isn't of value, even though a certain item that now comes with a sub is of value to them. They want something, but do not want to have to pay as much as a subber pays, because to the b2p mind it's foolish to waste money like we do - they are so used to getting everything they want cheaply. In short, they want ZOS to give it to them cheaper same as everything else is for them.
______________________
Important thing to note about your idea: this is the first time since B2P was introduced that they're offering an exclusive item.
And it's about time some subscription-only benefits were introduced with value enough to make some people at least consider subscribing now. This is doing its job, and for this to work, it needs to remain a subscription-only item, or we all might as well drop our subs.
I disagree, money is money and in your eyes the only money is sub-money I guess.