Increased the timer to advance each Vampire Stage to 6 hours from 30 minutes, but casting any Vampire ability will advance this timer by 30 minutes. Feeding as a Vampire will continue to lower your Vampire Stage by 1.

This makes me very happy - half an hour for stage 1 just wasn't long enough, and my vampires look so much better at stage 1!

Bandit1215 wrote: »

You're crazy!! Mist form is basically magicka shuffle with bonus move speed on top of it, you always get bonus recovery and DB and FG abilities no longer do bonus damage to you!!! Yiu should be praising zenimax

Well fg do 20% more to you

Also stam builds using dawnbreaker are going to hurt, dawnbreaker = 20% more dmg because physical + 20% more if vamp/ww

Oh they also get wpn dmg from slotting a FG skill.

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

A buff they could give WW to even out the playing field is make all WW attacks go through shields (magical, not the extra armor piece "weapon" shield).

Stam builds could use this while all the Magicka builds can use the new shields.

Anyways the dark stalker change is gonna make the stam builds who used Vamp for the extra speed in stealth stop using it....so its technically a nerf for them.

Oh yes, and be uber tanking, and insta killing and oh, NO SPEEDLIMIT, yeah......

Gosh...

Just a much longer timer would do, lad.

I think the changes are right on par. You can now be stage 1 for 6 hours with no negative effects - I think that was needed.

I love the added 60% heal, hopefully now I can take the resto off my backbar and use this for emergency heal situations.

Can't wait to mess around with it.

I really would have liked a few new skill options, however.

@ParaNostram

Yeah nerf to vampirism and werewolves especially since fighter guilds abilities no longer gives more extra bonus to you guys, yup another nerf right.

AlienSlof wrote: »

Increased the timer to advance each Vampire Stage to 6 hours from 30 minutes, but casting any Vampire ability will advance this timer by 30 minutes. Feeding as a Vampire will continue to lower your Vampire Stage by 1.

This makes me very happy - half an hour for stage 1 just wasn't long enough, and my vampires look so much better at stage 1!

If I read and understand it right, EVERYTIME you cast Vampire Ability = 6hrs - 30minutes = 5hrs and 30minutes of being stage X ? then progress to the next Stage (ascending)? right?

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@ParaNostram

Yeah nerf to vampirism and werewolves especially since fighter guilds abilities no longer gives more extra bonus to you guys, yup another nerf right.

I don't get why people in this thread believe FG skills do less damage to vamps:

Skilled Tracker: Redesigned this passive ability so it now increases all damage dealt with Fighters Guild abilities by 20% against Undead, Daedra, and Werewolves. Fighters Guild abilities no longer innately have a bonus to Undead, Daedra, and Werewolves without this passive ability.

Because people are dumb and can't read.

Correct me if i am wrong , but from the patch notes vampires are actually getting buffed in DB DLC.

As far as i know , all the vampires that i met ( myself included ) stay at rank 4 starvation from the moment they get the skill line. Unless you like to RP and stuff , for the practical benefits that the last rank provides , it is something that every vamp does , in order to get the benefits from the reduced cost of stuff.

Also , when the DB DLC hits , the Supernatural Recovery Passive from the skill line will be active at all times , regardless if you have or not a vampire skill on your bars , so you basically get 10% more recovery at all times.

So basically if you play as a vampire at stage 4 vampirism you get to play your class exactly like you would play it now , with some added benefits , like the added resource regen without the actives on your bars.

As a last note , the changes to the starvation stages , will allow you to manage what vulnerabilities your character will have , since at stage 1 starvation , the vamp will be basically just like without having the dark blessing , and if you choose to progress through the stages , you get more benefits , but at the cost of penalties being applied ( the HP regen thing , more fire dmg )

So no nerfs at all , just buffs and versatility as far as i can see.

dimensional wrote: »

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

Certain vampires were buffed others nerfed. The ones that follow the meta of starving yourself to power got buffed.
The few stamina or roleplay vamps left got hit hard since it was the dark stalker that made it worth being a vamp and you can only have that now while destroying your appearance.

Destroying your appearance to some is enhancing it to others, don't generalize every stamina or roleplay vamp.

Stamina vamp here that got hit with the nerf to Dark Stalker. I'm hoping the Devs can be convinced to change their minds about this change. It was an unnecessary change, IMO.

ParaNostram wrote: »

Yeah, no way to spin this, this patch is a nerf. Abilities are still worthless, and now we have to be fully starved for the mediocre passives with one actually good passive. ZOS, why? Why must you nerf us? Do you just hate vampires?

You really have little clue what the changes did don't you? No longer having to slot an ability for vamp on both bars is a buff. The skills are still meh, but it is not a nerf.

So basically this means I'll stay on stage 4 and never feed. The only benefit of feeding is the reduced fire damage and healing regen but since I've coped so far with the fixed 25% fire damage and the health regen is largely irrelevant, the only reason to be a vamp is to be a stage 4 vamp since Dark Stalker and Undeath are the only reasons I'm a vamp at all.

notimetocare wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

Certain vampires were buffed others nerfed. The ones that follow the meta of starving yourself to power got buffed.
The few stamina or roleplay vamps left got hit hard since it was the dark stalker that made it worth being a vamp and you can only have that now while destroying your appearance.

Destroying your appearance to some is enhancing it to others, don't generalize every stamina or roleplay vamp.

Stamina vamp here that got hit with the nerf to Dark Stalker. I'm hoping the Devs can be convinced to change their minds about this change. It was an unnecessary change, IMO.

How? They still get dark stalker if they have high vampirism (you know, like every vamp passive is requiring)

The vampire stealth speed was so overpowered that vampires need to be fully starved to even have it now? It made no sense at all for that passive to only be available at the last stage of vampirism.

My Nightblade vampire as a tank got HUGE buffs and will always be in stage 1. I am stoked.

My same Nightblade vampire as dps got the same buffs but will always be in stage 4.

they had to put a trade-off between stage-1 and stage 4 and I believe this is a fair trade-off

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@ParaNostram

Yeah nerf to vampirism and werewolves especially since fighter guilds abilities no longer gives more extra bonus to you guys, yup another nerf right.

I don't get why people in this thread believe FG skills do less damage to vamps:

Skilled Tracker: Redesigned this passive ability so it now increases all damage dealt with Fighters Guild abilities by 20% against Undead, Daedra, and Werewolves. Fighters Guild abilities no longer innately have a bonus to Undead, Daedra, and Werewolves without this passive ability.

dimensional wrote: »

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@ParaNostram

Yeah nerf to vampirism and werewolves especially since fighter guilds abilities no longer gives more extra bonus to you guys, yup another nerf right.

I don't get why people in this thread believe FG skills do less damage to vamps:

Skilled Tracker: Redesigned this passive ability so it now increases all damage dealt with Fighters Guild abilities by 20% against Undead, Daedra, and Werewolves. Fighters Guild abilities no longer innately have a bonus to Undead, Daedra, and Werewolves without this passive ability.

Because people are dumb and can't read.

FG abilities used to do 60% more damage to undead ON TOP of their 9% weapon/spell damage increase with all attacks.

FG abilities versus undead did indeed get nerfed from 60% to 20%.

As a vampire I'm very happy about that change.

(Granted taking into consideration that they are no longer magic damage etc there is the potential 25% champion point buff)

That being said that's still 45% versus 60% and not everyone will have that 25% bonus.

Tholian1 wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

Certain vampires were buffed others nerfed. The ones that follow the meta of starving yourself to power got buffed.
The few stamina or roleplay vamps left got hit hard since it was the dark stalker that made it worth being a vamp and you can only have that now while destroying your appearance.

Destroying your appearance to some is enhancing it to others, don't generalize every stamina or roleplay vamp.

Stamina vamp here that got hit with the nerf to Dark Stalker. I'm hoping the Devs can be convinced to change their minds about this change. It was an unnecessary change, IMO.

I'm a stam vampire too and I prefer the lvl 4,. I can see why the change was made, it's not unnecessary IMO.