Another Nerf for Vampirism!

ParaNostram

Yeah, no way to spin this, this patch is a nerf. Abilities are still worthless, and now we have to be fully starved for the mediocre passives with one actually good passive. ZOS, why? Why must you nerf us? Do you just hate vampires?

OrangeTheCat

Great!

Waseem

making fighters guild skills do so much less damage to vamps/WW is a big nerf yeah
the majority of players will go for vamps now, and you call that a nerf? just wait and see

UltimaJoe777

We get that you disapprove from all your other posts so why make a thread about it?

STEVIL

Yeah to me the net result is a positive for vamps but... remember this is day one.
There are several weeks of actual playtest results before the final comes.

So, b-r-e-a-t-h-e.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

On the plus side my Drain spell does nearly 2k more damage.

ParaNostram

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

On the plus side my Drain spell does nearly 2k more damage.

What's the total damage and how long is the channel?

STEVIL

Also, twice the heal!!

SanTii.92

Are you real? Vamps got clearly buffed

TX12001rwb17_ESO

ParaNostram wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

On the plus side my Drain spell does nearly 2k more damage.

What's the total damage and how long is the channel?

5.7k damage each second for 3 seconds and it heals me for 20% of my maximum health each tick.

Punn

Vamp was no where near nerfed, if anything it got a really big buff.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

Oh, that would be nice...

Will the WW have a timer buff to compensate for the Vamp buff?
WW can surely use one, IMHO.
Well, for PvE, that is, I cannot speak for PvP, since not really familiar with that (yet).

Brrrofski

Vamp got major buffed.

With no skills slotted for the regen cue a hell lot of vamp sorcs now.

In fact, with harness and bone shield changes, there will be a lot of vamps.

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

Certain vampires were buffed others nerfed. The ones that follow the meta of starving yourself to power got buffed.
The few stamina or roleplay vamps left got hit hard since it was the dark stalker that made it worth being a vamp and you can only have that now while destroying your appearance.

MacCait

Please tell me nerfing Vanp is not true... can you link where you are seeing this as I can't see it anywhere

Necrelios

The only real nerf was to Dark Stalker passive. I'm on the fence about that change since I have trouble staying alive at stage 4, especially in IC sewers with all the fire damage where Dark Stalker comes in handy to manuever through those tunnels.

MacCait

Link to where this is nerfed. Cant see in patch notes.

Vamps where already over-nerfed in my opinion. This will hurt

Silver_Strider

MacCait wrote: »

Link to where this is nerfed. Cant see in patch notes.

Vamps where already over-nerfed in my opinion. This will hurt

Here's the Link but I'll just post the entirety of vampire changes too.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Combat & Gameplay
General

World

• Vampire
  • Dark Stalker: This passive ability now only functions when you are in Vampire Stage 4.
  • Drain Essence: This ability and its morphs now tick 3 times over their channel durations, down from 4, but their damage per tick has been increased and they now restore 20% of your missing health per tick to compensate.
  • Mist Form:
    • This ability and its morphs now remove previously applied snares and immobilizations, in addition to making you immune to any new ones while active.
    • Increased the cost of this ability and its morphs by approximately 5%.
    • Updated the tooltip for this ability and its morphs to indicate it has always disabled your Magicka Recovery while active.
  • Poison Mist (Mist Form morph):
    • Renamed this morph to Baleful Mist.
    • In addition to the changes made to the base ability, this morph now ticks and deals damage every second instead of every 1.5 seconds, causing it to deal damage 1 additional time over its duration.
    • This morph now deals Magic Damage instead of Poison Damage.
  • Supernatural Recovery: This passive ability no longer requires a Vampire ability to be slotted, and now only functions when you are in Vampire Stage 2 or higher.
  • Undeath: This passive ability now only functions when you are in Vampire Stage 3 or higher.
  • Vampirism:
    • Increased the timer to advance each Vampire Stage to 6 hours from 30 minutes, but casting any Vampire ability will advance this timer by 30 minutes. Feeding as a Vampire will continue to lower your Vampire Stage by 1.
    • Vampire Stage benefits and penalties are now as follows:
      • Stage 1: 0% Flame Damage taken, 0% Vampire Ability cost reduction, 0% Health Recovery reduction
      • Stage 2: 15% Flame Damage taken, 7% Vampire Ability cost reduction, 25% Health Recovery reduction
      • Stage 3: 20% Flame Damage taken, 14% Vampire Ability cost reduction, 50% Health Recovery reduction
      • Stage 4: 25% Flame Damage taken, 21% Vampire Ability cost reduction, 75% Health Recovery reduction

psychotic13

See, I think this could come in handy also.

Mist Form:
This ability and its morphs now remove previously applied snares and immobilizations, in addition to making you immune to any new ones while active.

Burning_Talons

If you dont stay stage 4 you are doing it wrong even before the update. And if you are a Vamp in Dungeons you are doing it wrong

Brrrofski

Basically, it's only a nerf if you care what you look like.

Bam_Bam

All about stage 4 baby - never, ever feed - "Eating is cheating!" lol

Rakshat

Ummm, vamps are getting the biggest buff since the days of free batswarm. Are we even reading the same patch notes?

Van_0S

With all the snares in this patch( especially, the snareplars) we need to use mist form more often.

Amdar_Godkiller

Burning_Talons wrote: »

If you dont stay stage 4 you are doing it wrong even before the update. And if you are a Vamp in Dungeons you are doing it wrong

Dungeons shouldn't be a problem with the buffs to fire resistance in stages 1-3. 

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

With all the snares in this patch( especially, the snareplars) we need to use mist form more often.

And the issue here is...?
Just asking.

Why didn't they revamp the WW into a much longer WW form?
Now the WW is even more the ACTUAL underdog!!!

LBxFinalDeath

A buff they could give WW to even out the playing field is make all WW attacks go through shields (magical, not the extra armor piece "weapon" shield).

Stam builds could use this while all the Magicka builds can use the new shields.

Anyways the dark stalker change is gonna make the stam builds who used Vamp for the extra speed in stealth stop using it....so its technically a nerf for them.

ListerJMC

I actually think it was mostly a buff in terms of abilities, not needing to slot a skill for the regeneration bonus in particular is excellent. The active abilities still look like they'll be useless for me but that's fine since I don't have to slot them now.

The nerf I am most annoyed about is what they've done to "Dark Stalker", that change seems completely unnecessary to me it should be active at all stages like it is now. I mean I suppose they needed a passive for the stage 4 bonus but I don't think Dark Stalker should be it. My 2 cents on this, and yes this is coming from someone who keeps to stage 4 most of the time.

ParaNostram

Okay okay, I was wrong, after reading some of the feedback here I am open to the possibility that this might have been a buff patch. Anyone on the PTS, tell me, can you spam mist out of combat to advance your vampirism or do you have to do it in combat for the 30 minute jump to proc?

Bandit1215

You're crazy!! Mist form is basically magicka shuffle with bonus move speed on top of it, you always get bonus recovery and DB and FG abilities no longer do bonus damage to you!!! Yiu should be praising zenimax

Tryxus

Would the new Mist Form proc Tava's Favor?