If there was a 'good race' in this game, they'd have nothing to do with any of my characters. I've killed hundreds if not thousands in my quest for 'personal development' and better loot. I don't wonder what wartime hardships led some unfortunate soul into a life of banditry as I turn them into neat piles of ash. I'm a greedy, psychotic butcher with hero syndrome. I'm an indiscriminate mass-murderer who's killed members of every race on Tamriel. I've sliced, diced, electrocuted , frozen and immolated much of the planet's wondrous fauna. I've even been known to pull the wings off butterflies. So I don't really have any problem if my employers drink too much, have delusions of supremacy or bathe infrequently. After all, who am I to judge?

Dude, do you realise how many NPCs sacrifice their own lives to stop evil doers? People who you claim to eat babies and practice Necromancy. Sure, a ton of characters are evil ***, but hey, medieval style war setting; honestly, what did you expect?

The way I see it. As alliances go the ebonheart pact are the most noble in an equality point of view.
War changes our perceptions of our enemies, when in one life we may have been friends, in this one the popular vote brands you a heathen criminal worthy of nothing less than a "glorious bloody death". So their hatred of others aside...

Daggerfall covenant is a alliance between Breton and Redguard, with orcs being thrown into the mix for good measure. Would have made more sense to have orcs team up with nords or the high elves... why team up with "former" deadly, "tendency of sacking your encampments and especially orsinium" enemies? (Same with argonians)
They pretty much have the upperhand over the orcs anyway. "If you fight for us and do all the berserking and heavy lifting we promise you can keep the wrothgarian city of orsinium..." wink wink nudge nudge.

The aldmeri dominion is run by the *** of the eso world. (Pardon the analogy) they believe themselves to be, and always have, vastly superior to men. Something to do with perceived/widely believed racial origins... et-ada or some such thing.... The fact that ayrenn got tortured by Tharn for however long it was, made her bitter and developed a ingrained hatred of men for the actions of a particularly nasty individual. A leader who would probably be incredibly bias. Kind if like ulfric stormcloak with elves. I see enslavement.... ayleids.

Now the reason why I think the EP are the most moral:
Other than the fact that at least 3 out of the 4 the races of man have some or all of their ancestry originating in skyrim and historically (game wise) nords are the most prominent race...
Nords have always fought elves... from their ancestors the nedes to the skyrim era imperial army. Doesn't make it right but... They are a powerful proud bunch of people, war is in their blood. Especially when elves are their traditional enemies.
Dark elves enslaved Argonians. Seeing them as a beastial (which they are) uncivilised (subjective) race. Beat down by the nords.
Argonians were enslaved by dark elves... en masse. Until the pact.

Nords teamed up with dark elves or vice versa to quell an attack on riften and something about akivir (I believe that's the story). To the dark elves dismay and certainly the Nords probably shared their then "temporary" allies dismay when in dire straits in the defense of riften, see an entire hoarde of slave argonians on the horizon... to feel the relief to know they wanted to help... This act of an unlikely alliance prompted the forming of the ebonheart pact.

The nords being the leaders of the Ebonheart Pact:
Stopped slavery of argonians by the law abiding dark elves.
Are most likely anti elf - traditional enemies/hatred towards them for enslavement etc (which would make sense as to why the argonians were saved from the chains)
Formed an Alliance between three former enemies.

The others did good. However I just see hypocrisy with the DC and AD. One with bully tactics to encourage orcs and the other extremely racist and prejudice. Whereas I see EP as emancipators, or at least the nords as such, with argonians now enjoying freedom imposed by an alliance pact.

I don't know why the choice of race per alliance though.
Orc, wood elf, high elf
Khajiit, Redguard, dark elf
Breton, Nord, argonians

Might have been better.

Axer wrote: »

Argonians:
- Worship necromancy.
- Bit racists against Khajiits.
- Slavers (Khajiit). Some even enslave there own people in Deshaan.
- Some are Skooma abusers
- Their disgusting lizard dudes that eat worms, maggots and pretty sure babies too. Breton and Nord babies are their favorites.

Saxhleel(Argonian) clarification:
-We Saxhleel study, emphasis and master the school of Restoration and the skill of Alchemy, not necromancy.
-Khajiit and others want to cry, accuse and blame us for their weakness to disease and illness(khahanten flu). We don't hate, we just prefer others be responsible for the strengths and weaknesses.
-only the traitorous Dryskin boot licking Archein tribe sell Saxhleel and other leel. The dryskins that they serve are the dunmer and the imperial.
-skooma addicts exist amongst all. Weak addicts are weak addicts.
-some of us are herbivores only consuming bark, leaves, roots and rarely Hist sap. Some marsh relatives eat you and your kind. Yet if your willing to make statements of what we eat in that manner, provide reference. Personal perspective and documented info must be distinguished.

"Good" is in the eye of the beholder. Many villains perceive their doing the best thing and many heroes perceive their doing what they should do. Rarely do either aspire to be good or evil.
Kota-Sax-Blood

Most Nords just don't care about other races. They laugh at any tradition, clothing or foods that don't resemble their own. They're nowhere near evil, they're just very very ignorant. (they also played an important role in abolishing slavery)

Bretons on the other hand are maniacs, well not all of them, the mages mostly are insane pyromaniacs. For them war seems to be all about burning the enemy, and their houses, and their families, and their horses, and their fire, they will burn fire for the sake of burning!

Altmer...*sigh* sieg heil much?

So it seems like while the OP was over-generalizing a little, he was on to something. ESO is a good example of gray-and-gray morality. In other words, there is no clear-cut good and bad guys. Everyone has their agenda, and everyone is willing to do less than admirable things to achieve it. Anybody who watches game of thrones knows that although "fan favorites" exist, there is no obvious "good" or "bad". At least in what I have seen of the game so far.

Axer wrote: »

Redguards:
- Pretty much exclusively criminals. Any criminal activtiy in tamriel generally involves a red guard. Especially smuggling, drug dealing, theft.
- Very corrupt skooma-head leadership. You do at least one quest which involves you delivering smuggled skooma to high ranking people in Sentinel.

Axer wrote: »

Yea most drug dealers seems to be redguards. (You get thte big drug dealer quest from a red guard). Khaajit cook it up, but mostly hand it off to the redguards to deal it seems (what they don't use up them selves)

Ok I'm going to defend Redguards here since no-one else appears to be! So many agrees for this misinformation!

Firstly ....what? I can think of plenty of criminal quests where a Redguard wasn't involved (Mug theft in Orsinium, Skooma operation in Khanarthi's Roost, Rites of theft in Valenwood, Smugglers in North Point, Temple theft in Reaper's March - the list goes on). Redguards don't have some sort of alarm alerting them to criminal activity so they can get themselves down there.

Furthermore, "exclusively criminals"? See: Throne Keeper Farvad, Merric at-Aswala, Sai Sahan, Queen Maraya, Aideh al-Satakalaam, Blandine, Countess Hakruba... so many more but the ones I've named include simple townsfolk, warriors, respected nobility and religious figures.

I know the quest you're talking about in your next point ("Sieze the Moment") and they were not high-ranking individuals at all, I believe it was "well respected members of the community" or something to that effect. A lady at an inn, a man at the forge and a man in the marketplace. Not to mention that the one who had the skooma in the first place was a khajiiti Bandaari merchant, not a Redguard - the main Redguard involved wanted to stop her! Skooma can be found all over Tamriel, not just in Hammerfell, and I have no idea where you're getting this idea from that Redguards have a higher usage of it. There are skooma addicts in Elden Root in Valenwood, does that make all Bosmer skooma dealers? Nope!

Now the Khajiit-Redguard skooma relationship you mentioned. A key ingredient needed to make Skooma, moon sugar, is found in Elsewyr where the Khajiit live. The Dark Elves are believed to be responsible for first creating the substance. The reason the Khajiit are more susceptible to it is because their diet is already high in moon sugar and sweetness, making skooma appeal more to them and their "sweet tooth" (not all Khajiit, mind you). Some merchants, Khajiiti or otherwise, have been known to take skooma abroad and trade them with others because it is extremely profitable - you see that in "Sieze the Moment" mentioned above. They do not exclusively take skooma to Hammerfell, I've found it present or at least mentioned in many provinces across Tamriel. No, there wasn't always a quest to spell it out, but it's around if you talk to NPCs in towns. It's continent-wide.

I'm not the best at explaining these things but hopefully I debunked some stuff about Redguards there, maybe even Khajiit . Though I disagree with a lot of the other stereotypes you've but up here about the other races, they seem to have been defended.

McSwaggins wrote: »

Axer wrote: »

- Filthy cat creatures.

WHO'S THE RACIST NOW

Sometimes racism is warranted.

Rayadrel wrote: »

My already high opinion of the Telvanni rose a notch when I learned they rejected the Pact.

Yeah, I'd love a DLC of the Telvanni Isles.

Dagoth Ur for prez