THE PUG CHECKLIST (READ THIS BEFORE USING THE VET DUNGEON FINDER).
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✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Nice article.
Just an inevitable comment on the tank stamina thing... I use a glyph of absorb stamina on my main weapon and some well-placed champion points to boost my stamina recovery with heavy attacks. I get that tanks are supposed to be blocking "most of the time", but that doesn't mean you have to completely dependent on other peoples skill sets. And there's usually plenty of time in between blocking to leech some stamina back, buff, debuff etc.
But yes... good article for the intended audience, and not critical know-it-alls like me.
Thank you! and of course, I'm too much of a wimp to risk heavy attacks whilst tanking, but thanks to swallow soul being so cheap and siphoning attacks I just spam that out of block to self heal and get back stam. But I'm defs more a dps guy. Tanking is not my forte but I'd like to think I know the role. haha Sort of.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Please consider this is your personal preference and now that its on the forums...but it differs from the ZOS articles and roles.
I would consider this more of an ideal situation based on a particular experience you want so therefore, I'd say you should never use the PUG an only use manual groups. Then queue when full
Another monstrously opposed reply from Smurf, good to know you haven't changed, and that you aren't on EU haha.
As I'm glad ur on PC and EU.
Another overtly incorrect deduction from Smurf. Feel free to use the "full site" version on your phone to read player signatures. I find your signature with your ideas on a new levelling and gear system particularly amusing and further proof of your short sightedness when it comes to this game's direction a little saddening, but the poll already underlined that. It's always a blast with you smurf. Keep on, keeping on!
I see your sig say Xbox EU but my comment was as off base as your OP.
See there are concepts and expectations that go with roles and MMORPG games but the tone of your post comes off as play this way or gtfo.
To me that's crazy and it also doesn't align with the companies game guide so while this is your perspective and some others agree....I've found that taking and holding this perspective isn't good for the social interactions or enjoying gameplay long term as the circle that holds this mindset is very small in comparison to the vast amount of players who successfully run dungeons in PUGs each night.
Mdiff strokes for diff folks but realize I have changed but perhaps you have not which is why you have this perspective or opinion about me.
Some are already finding my guide helpful. Some find it offensive. As stated in the thread. It's not a build guide, it's a role guide. If your tank can't taunt, you are not a tank. If your healer does nothing but heal, you aren't an effective healer. If your dps spams wrecking blow till kingdom come without any dots or aoes, you are not an effective dps. These are FACTS. Yes? Something you rarely dip your toes in.
You live in this world where you believe you're fighting for employee of the month. But you aren't an employee. You're a fan, with a passion that may match mine for the game, but it's twisted and deluded. And that's a shame. We both read each other's statements poorly but in this instance I stick by the fact that these are really decent guidelines. I'm in sometimes eight pugs a day. I've seen a lot and this guide could help many.
This is not an attack on the pug community, I'm endeavoring to better it. You won't see that though... If I say the sky is blue, you'll say it's red. That's you. You haven't changed.
When you post something using the word "checklist" and instruct ppl to read it before using the vet dungeon tool, you are insulting people, offending people and there are always those who share your points of view as well.
Some things are obvious but this post seeks to encourage the forum community to adhere to a concept that isn't the design intent of the game. Furthermore from hands on you and I know that this "checklist" is completely opinionated.
Tanks- while they should shield the group, stun, block and pull, they don't "have to taunt".
Dps- shouldn't do a lot of aoe unless the group builds allow CC, heals and the other dos and tank to keep order
Healer - should heal but is welcomed to dos while healing as I can throw a heal on me and pop a potion too..
That's a lot of power in one little word. "Checklist". I wonder if I gave a random in the street a "checklist" asking them to give me a pedicure and clean my apartment if they'd do it?
Anyway. Good to know a tank shouldn't taunt. That a dps should focus on attacking one enemy out of the 10 they are attacking and that a healer should focus on themselves. Sounds like an awesome team!
It should be read as tanks shouldnt be required to taunt if they are otherwise effective.
You're making illogical conclusions from reading comments but again....whatever works for you, I just know that there are other ways to have success in those roles without using an old traditional trinity concept.
I am 100% sure you won't have success or be effective as a tank if you don't use taunt.
No matter what else you try to help your team. If the DDs get oneshotted by the boss because you failed to hold aggro, you failed your job as tank.
But, but, but....that's not "play as you want" :'(KoshkaMurka wrote: »
Sure it is, i even tanked SO-HM with 26k HP....but this is for PUGs not for experienced groups. so it may be neccessary ^^Noobplar3 -
jeo329✭✭Tank just block?? I taught every add then ingenious shield rally vigor heroic slash burning breath brawler I'm I doing it wrong?? Don't need to block if there dead right only need for some bosses just burn all the adds get a group on the mic and swap more tanky for the fights that need it I got most speed runs done and I don't just block1 -
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✭✭^ no that's good. I run a NB tank, stab, park, switch to bow arrow barrage, caltrops, stab again, vigor, immovable, shuffle, then veil if blades to give heals to the team if needed and repeat. Caltrops are epic for taking aggro. Esp in ICP slowing all the adds down.PC Master Race
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Acharnor✭✭✭✭Great post - lots of food for thought. I've only run a couple Vet dungeons and have been hesitant to get in and disapoint people. The factor that makes all the difference though with a PUG is communication - a patient leader and open to ideas/tips/whatnot group members can probably get you through. It is frustrating when you ask questions or make a comment in group chat and no one responds.Celebrate for life is short but sweet for certain.0 -
dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭Pug list for entering vet dungeon?
How frikken elitist!Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."0 -
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✭This thread is not wrong. These are indeed what you should do if you want to fulfill your role in a group. But what people doing "wrong" here is they expect everyone they group with doing what this thread listed. You forgot that you cannot control other people. And you shouldn't. Trying to change people, even to make them better, is a hard task. It's like trying to argue and convince a priest, using all the scientific facts to prove that the Bible is wrong. Sometime you need to ask yourself: "Is it worth the time and the negative feeling? Am I playing this game for fun, to have a relax time, or am I taking a serious deed trying to change the way everyone play the game." Don't let the way other people play ruin your fun. You can always drop group whenever you want, and form your own group with people you prefer to play with rather than random people.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TheDarkShadow wrote: »This thread is not wrong. These are indeed what you should do if you want to fulfill your role in a group. But what people doing "wrong" here is they expect everyone they group with doing what this thread listed. You forgot that you cannot control other people. And you shouldn't. Trying to change people, even to make them better, is a hard task. It's like trying to argue and convince a priest, using all the scientific facts to prove that the Bible is wrong. Sometime you need to ask yourself: "Is it worth the time and the negative feeling? Am I playing this game for fun, to have a relax time, or am I taking a serious deed trying to change the way everyone play the game." Don't let the way other people play ruin your fun. You can always drop group whenever you want, and form your own group with people you prefer to play with rather than random people.
Its not about being better.
Its about nessesary mechanics. For example, if you queue as a healer, you should cast heals. If you dont, you might be the most fun and awesome person on Earth, but youre not a healer. Same with tanks and dds...Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »TheDarkShadow wrote: »This thread is not wrong. These are indeed what you should do if you want to fulfill your role in a group. But what people doing "wrong" here is they expect everyone they group with doing what this thread listed. You forgot that you cannot control other people. And you shouldn't. Trying to change people, even to make them better, is a hard task. It's like trying to argue and convince a priest, using all the scientific facts to prove that the Bible is wrong. Sometime you need to ask yourself: "Is it worth the time and the negative feeling? Am I playing this game for fun, to have a relax time, or am I taking a serious deed trying to change the way everyone play the game." Don't let the way other people play ruin your fun. You can always drop group whenever you want, and form your own group with people you prefer to play with rather than random people.
Its not about being better.
Its about nessesary mechanics. For example, if you queue as a healer, you should cast heals. If you dont, you might be the most fun and awesome person on Earth, but youre not a healer. Same with tanks and dds...
I didn't say you shouldn't, what I said is if you meet someone who doesn't then just take it easy, carry them or drop the group as you wish. No need to yell at them, then rage quit, feeling bitter for a whole day, and go to forums demand those people must be punished.Edited by TheDarkShadow on April 19, 2016 2:45PM0 -
LOL need this for PVP as well
Don't be cheap bring soul gems
Don't be cheap buy some seige
Take the time and due the minor tutorial quest when you enter Cyrodiil
The way you exit PVP is to go back to Home base and use the wayshire to port back to pve land.
Dont be cheap keep your weapon and gear level near to your toons level.
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dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭Even more Elitism.
I am a fairly new player, I do not have more than 100k gold, I cannot keep up with gear to my level.
Sue me.Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TheDarkShadow wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »TheDarkShadow wrote: »This thread is not wrong. These are indeed what you should do if you want to fulfill your role in a group. But what people doing "wrong" here is they expect everyone they group with doing what this thread listed. You forgot that you cannot control other people. And you shouldn't. Trying to change people, even to make them better, is a hard task. It's like trying to argue and convince a priest, using all the scientific facts to prove that the Bible is wrong. Sometime you need to ask yourself: "Is it worth the time and the negative feeling? Am I playing this game for fun, to have a relax time, or am I taking a serious deed trying to change the way everyone play the game." Don't let the way other people play ruin your fun. You can always drop group whenever you want, and form your own group with people you prefer to play with rather than random people.
Its not about being better.
Its about nessesary mechanics. For example, if you queue as a healer, you should cast heals. If you dont, you might be the most fun and awesome person on Earth, but youre not a healer. Same with tanks and dds...
I didn't say you shouldn't, what I said is if you meet someone who doesn't then just take it easy, carry them or drop the group as you wish. No need to yell at them, then rage quit, feeling bitter for a whole day, and go to forums demand those people must be punished.
First, Im not expecting high numbers from randoms. I just expect them to play the role they've chosen.
If they dont want to, I dont want to carry them either. Because sure, I can carry, but what if they meet a person who is new and doesnt have crafted sets and capped cps? What they will do, if theyre spoiled by people carrying them? >.> If a player wants to cooperate, he/she is already not bad in my book.
Also, from my experience, players who dont wanna cooperate and players who yell at healers are the same kind of people. Its not about gear, its not about skill even. But not wanting to help your group by playing your role is just outright rude, and people who do that are usually rude in other situations as well. I never, ever saw a player who would be super bad and super friendly at the same time.
And I dont see any reason to be nice to people who are not nice to me and the rest of the group.
Umm how your gear is related to you fulfilling your role?dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »Even more Elitism.
I am a fairly new player, I do not have more than 100k gold, I cannot keep up with gear to my level.
Sue me.
Its not like you cant equip a taunt, healing spell or dps skill without a set of golden gear. Even blue gear is enough for the most of content.Edited by LadyNalcarya on April 19, 2016 3:35PMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭Man, I have 2 blue items, a ring and an ammy.
The rest is green.
And WAY out of date.
I'm level 39 with even parts level 20, since no stuff comes along for my character.Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »Man, I have 2 blue items, a ring and an ammy.
The rest is green.
And WAY out of date.
I'm level 39 with even parts level 20, since no stuff comes along for my character.
No drops even? Well, if youre on PC/EU, you can message me (@Koshka-Murka in game) and Ill craft you something.
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✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »TheDarkShadow wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »TheDarkShadow wrote: »This thread is not wrong. These are indeed what you should do if you want to fulfill your role in a group. But what people doing "wrong" here is they expect everyone they group with doing what this thread listed. You forgot that you cannot control other people. And you shouldn't. Trying to change people, even to make them better, is a hard task. It's like trying to argue and convince a priest, using all the scientific facts to prove that the Bible is wrong. Sometime you need to ask yourself: "Is it worth the time and the negative feeling? Am I playing this game for fun, to have a relax time, or am I taking a serious deed trying to change the way everyone play the game." Don't let the way other people play ruin your fun. You can always drop group whenever you want, and form your own group with people you prefer to play with rather than random people.
Its not about being better.
Its about nessesary mechanics. For example, if you queue as a healer, you should cast heals. If you dont, you might be the most fun and awesome person on Earth, but youre not a healer. Same with tanks and dds...
I didn't say you shouldn't, what I said is if you meet someone who doesn't then just take it easy, carry them or drop the group as you wish. No need to yell at them, then rage quit, feeling bitter for a whole day, and go to forums demand those people must be punished.
First, Im not expecting high numbers from randoms. I just expect them to play the role they've chosen.
If they dont want to, I dont want to carry them either. Because sure, I can carry, but what if they meet a person who is new and doesnt have crafted sets and capped cps? What they will do, if theyre spoiled by people carrying them? >.> If a player wants to cooperate, he/she is already not bad in my book.
Also, from my experience, players who dont wanna cooperate and players who yell at healers are the same kind of people. Its not about gear, its not about skill even. But not wanting to help your group by playing your role is just outright rude, and people who do that are usually rude in other situations as well. I never, ever saw a player who would be super bad and super friendly at the same time.
And I dont see any reason to be nice to people who are not nice to me and the rest of the group.
Simply drop group.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TheDarkShadow wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »TheDarkShadow wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »TheDarkShadow wrote: »This thread is not wrong. These are indeed what you should do if you want to fulfill your role in a group. But what people doing "wrong" here is they expect everyone they group with doing what this thread listed. You forgot that you cannot control other people. And you shouldn't. Trying to change people, even to make them better, is a hard task. It's like trying to argue and convince a priest, using all the scientific facts to prove that the Bible is wrong. Sometime you need to ask yourself: "Is it worth the time and the negative feeling? Am I playing this game for fun, to have a relax time, or am I taking a serious deed trying to change the way everyone play the game." Don't let the way other people play ruin your fun. You can always drop group whenever you want, and form your own group with people you prefer to play with rather than random people.
Its not about being better.
Its about nessesary mechanics. For example, if you queue as a healer, you should cast heals. If you dont, you might be the most fun and awesome person on Earth, but youre not a healer. Same with tanks and dds...
I didn't say you shouldn't, what I said is if you meet someone who doesn't then just take it easy, carry them or drop the group as you wish. No need to yell at them, then rage quit, feeling bitter for a whole day, and go to forums demand those people must be punished.
First, Im not expecting high numbers from randoms. I just expect them to play the role they've chosen.
If they dont want to, I dont want to carry them either. Because sure, I can carry, but what if they meet a person who is new and doesnt have crafted sets and capped cps? What they will do, if theyre spoiled by people carrying them? >.> If a player wants to cooperate, he/she is already not bad in my book.
Also, from my experience, players who dont wanna cooperate and players who yell at healers are the same kind of people. Its not about gear, its not about skill even. But not wanting to help your group by playing your role is just outright rude, and people who do that are usually rude in other situations as well. I never, ever saw a player who would be super bad and super friendly at the same time.
And I dont see any reason to be nice to people who are not nice to me and the rest of the group.
Simply drop group.
What if only one person doesnt wanna cooperate and the rest are fine?Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭How kind, good Sir, and yes, I am on Europe (being Belgian).
I am a Summoner, so, I can still go and depend on my Summons, it's just becomes problematic when i have to take on a boss my level, or when I get swarmed by more than 5 NPC's.
The RNG however is to be blamed.
Here's a STUPID example: in my lower levels, I kept getting plate mail with Magicka support.
Me, wearing Light armor, didn't get anything else.
So, at level 19, I got SO frikken tired of it, that I did a full skill reset, and revamped to Heavy Armor.
Only to come to the conclusion, that since the moment I did my reset into HA, the game began to give NOTHING but, INDEED, Light Armor.
Kind of figures, right?Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »How kind, good Sir, and yes, I am on Europe (being Belgian).
I am a Summoner, so, I can still go and depend on my Summons, it's just becomes problematic when i have to take on a boss my level, or when I get swarmed by more than 5 NPC's.
The RNG however is to be blamed.
Here's a STUPID example: in my lower levels, I kept getting plate mail with Magicka support.
Me, wearing Light armor, didn't get anything else.
So, at level 19, I got SO frikken tired of it, that I did a full skill reset, and revamped to Heavy Armor.
Only to come to the conclusion, that since the moment I did my reset into HA, the game began to give NOTHING but, INDEED, Light Armor.
Kind of figures, right?
I can imagine Are you in game at the moment? If so, I can give you the gear now
What's you account name?Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭Name is @Xogroroth, sir.
If you are to craft, please make it level 40, since like 10% from that level.
Thank you very much.Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."0 -
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✭✭✭dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »How kind, good Sir, and yes, I am on Europe (being Belgian).
I am a Summoner, so, I can still go and depend on my Summons, it's just becomes problematic when i have to take on a boss my level, or when I get swarmed by more than 5 NPC's.
The RNG however is to be blamed.
Here's a STUPID example: in my lower levels, I kept getting plate mail with Magicka support.
Me, wearing Light armor, didn't get anything else.
So, at level 19, I got SO frikken tired of it, that I did a full skill reset, and revamped to Heavy Armor.
Only to come to the conclusion, that since the moment I did my reset into HA, the game began to give NOTHING but, INDEED, Light Armor.
Kind of figures, right?
Um...you know you can craft armor(and weapons) in this game, right? There're crafting stations in every major city and there're also crafting stations for specific sets out in the wilderness(you need to research some traits in order to be able to craft those but if you haven't done that you can usually find someone who can craft for you for some small fee). You can craft in any armor weight and with any trait you choose, long as you have the mats, crafting skill and trait knowledge.Edited by Magdalina on April 19, 2016 3:49PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »Name is @Xogroroth, sir.
If you are to craft, please make it level 40, since like 10% from that level.
Thank you very much.
Sure, no problem
Ill get the materials and craft it.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Dromede✭✭✭✭My most funny Pug run happened when my tank was a 20 something baby.
Got normal BC, got grouped with 2 v16 dps and a 20ish healer. There were no heals coming through, i think the only heal we ever got was coming from v16 stamplar dps's repentance at the end of the fight. Another v16 - magicka shield stacking sorc - kept asking me i was so squishy, why my health was dropping so quickly and if i was a real tank. Lol. With heals not coming through, with my 20ish set gear (resistances/armor doesn't scale as far as i know), and my 400+ cp bonuses keeping me alive most of the time i was gonna make a speech full of bitterness and spite, but instead settled for a joke/truth in that case that the healer is the only one to blame, ever Funny enough, the "healer" never responded, he might as well has been afk for the "usefulness" he contributed to the run.
The rest of the run went ok. We stuck it out with a weird abomination of a group with constantly half alive tank, non-existant healer and 2 endgame quality dps. It took way more time than it was supposed to, but we did it. Patience and humor goes a long way, i guess.Skye Cloude - Sorc DPS, Master Crafter. Main, the bestest
Lae Lenne - Templar Healer Trial grade.
Dromede - Stamina Nightblade, she's a newb and doesn't know what she's doing
V'oghatta - Stamplar pretending to be a tank
Ulville Thonvella - aspiring Fire Mage, be careful around her fire sticks!
Dromedaris - lost and not found. Named after a shoe, what else can you expect from her? A proper tank in her wildest dreams
Swims-Naked - too pretty to grind, too silly to quest.
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✭dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »Man, I have 2 blue items, a ring and an ammy.
The rest is green.
And WAY out of date.
I'm level 39 with even parts level 20, since no stuff comes along for my character.
You should really look into crafting your own gear. Materials practically fall from the sky, the research is an interesting little side-game and crafted set items can make a huge difference - even at lower levels.
Sets like Deaths Wind or Ashen Grip are ridiculously easy to make and the full-set bonuses can really help out. You don't even have to craft them up to gold or anything - blue will probably be plenty while leveling.
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DangerMan✭✭✭I DPS dungeons with 16k health. Everything is into Stamina and Weapon Damage to maximize my DPS. You'd be fine if you know what you're doing.. Dodge when you're supposed to, block when you're supposed to, don't stand in red circles, etc etc.. No self heals on my bar besides Rally either.. I melt bosses/mobs.. You just need to know your build/character in and out..
But then again, I don't do PUGs anymore.. Can't bear people who don't know what they're supposed to be doing.. I won't run a dungeon unless I can find a healer and tank from my end-game guild. I have more than enough DPS to cover for two people though lol, and we often 3-man dungeons..
EDIT: Would also like to add that the numbers on your character sheet for Weapon Damage/Spell Damage and Crit% mean nothing.. You can have 5k damage with 80% crit and still only be doing 10k DPS because all you know is how to spam WB..
Edited by DangerMan on April 19, 2016 3:57PMFlawless MagSorc DPS
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CasNation✭✭✭✭✭While I would normally disagree with you about the whole "only check one role thing, ever" part, but given the intended audience (people who are not used to running vet dungeons) I think it is appropriate.
That said, given the intended audience, I strongly disagree with one of your points, namely that a healer should prioritize buffs and damage over healing. A healers first priority should always be keeping the team alive, and nothing else. While experienced healers are capable (and ABSOLUTELY should) contribute to damage and party buffs, an inexperienced healer's only role should be to monitor their team's HP pools, and make sure they have enough Magicka to bring the entire team to full in a pinch. They are not there to DPS. They are there to keep the DPS and Tank alive. In my opinion, if a healer does nothing but stand there when he is not healing, but keeps his team alive, he is a better healer than the guy who weaves in shards and drain but let's the team die.
Keep in mind that the above only applies to new healers. Over time, healers should most certainly add damage and team sustain in between heals. Any EXPERIENCED healer who doesn't do this is bad/mediocre, but a new healer should not be expected, nor try, to do these things right away.PC NA AD
Gamma Fyr: Dunmer Sorcerer Stamina DPS (the Missing Sister...props to those who get the reference)
Samekh Fyr: Dunmer Nightblade Magicka DPS
Claire Le'Rouge: Breton Templar Heal/Tank (the Resplendent Bastion)
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✭✭✭✭✭dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »Man, I have 2 blue items, a ring and an ammy.
The rest is green.
And WAY out of date.
I'm level 39 with even parts level 20, since no stuff comes along for my character.
You can get to VR1 only on dropped gear (white/green/blue and the odd purple). It's only when doing veteran versions of group dungeons that you really need to get actual set gear together because you really do need the set bonuses to do your part. Even then, you can do it with blue/purple gear, which is easy to craft by yourself. Deconstruct your drops until your blacksmithing, clothing and woodworking are lvl 50, this will also give you materials and tempers to craft your gear. Research any traits you don't know already, the first few ones are relatively quick to research and there are lots of good sets that only require 2-6 traits.0 -
dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭Yes, that's what I am doing thusfar, and only bosses or 5+ NPC groups get the better of me.
It works, I just need to be careful.
And I need luck on my side, of course.
As for crafting, I've never had a brain for these things, sadly, or the patience, being autistic (Asperger) with ADHD...Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."0 -
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✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »TheDarkShadow wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »TheDarkShadow wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »TheDarkShadow wrote: »This thread is not wrong. These are indeed what you should do if you want to fulfill your role in a group. But what people doing "wrong" here is they expect everyone they group with doing what this thread listed. You forgot that you cannot control other people. And you shouldn't. Trying to change people, even to make them better, is a hard task. It's like trying to argue and convince a priest, using all the scientific facts to prove that the Bible is wrong. Sometime you need to ask yourself: "Is it worth the time and the negative feeling? Am I playing this game for fun, to have a relax time, or am I taking a serious deed trying to change the way everyone play the game." Don't let the way other people play ruin your fun. You can always drop group whenever you want, and form your own group with people you prefer to play with rather than random people.
Its not about being better.
Its about nessesary mechanics. For example, if you queue as a healer, you should cast heals. If you dont, you might be the most fun and awesome person on Earth, but youre not a healer. Same with tanks and dds...
I didn't say you shouldn't, what I said is if you meet someone who doesn't then just take it easy, carry them or drop the group as you wish. No need to yell at them, then rage quit, feeling bitter for a whole day, and go to forums demand those people must be punished.
First, Im not expecting high numbers from randoms. I just expect them to play the role they've chosen.
If they dont want to, I dont want to carry them either. Because sure, I can carry, but what if they meet a person who is new and doesnt have crafted sets and capped cps? What they will do, if theyre spoiled by people carrying them? >.> If a player wants to cooperate, he/she is already not bad in my book.
Also, from my experience, players who dont wanna cooperate and players who yell at healers are the same kind of people. Its not about gear, its not about skill even. But not wanting to help your group by playing your role is just outright rude, and people who do that are usually rude in other situations as well. I never, ever saw a player who would be super bad and super friendly at the same time.
And I dont see any reason to be nice to people who are not nice to me and the rest of the group.
Simply drop group.
What if only one person doesnt wanna cooperate and the rest are fine?
Send tell to those people, all drop group, invite those you want to group with, use group finder to fill the last spot. Now you have lead, you can kick whoever you don't want.Edited by TheDarkShadow on April 19, 2016 4:14PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TheDarkShadow wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »TheDarkShadow wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »TheDarkShadow wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »TheDarkShadow wrote: »This thread is not wrong. These are indeed what you should do if you want to fulfill your role in a group. But what people doing "wrong" here is they expect everyone they group with doing what this thread listed. You forgot that you cannot control other people. And you shouldn't. Trying to change people, even to make them better, is a hard task. It's like trying to argue and convince a priest, using all the scientific facts to prove that the Bible is wrong. Sometime you need to ask yourself: "Is it worth the time and the negative feeling? Am I playing this game for fun, to have a relax time, or am I taking a serious deed trying to change the way everyone play the game." Don't let the way other people play ruin your fun. You can always drop group whenever you want, and form your own group with people you prefer to play with rather than random people.
Its not about being better.
Its about nessesary mechanics. For example, if you queue as a healer, you should cast heals. If you dont, you might be the most fun and awesome person on Earth, but youre not a healer. Same with tanks and dds...
I didn't say you shouldn't, what I said is if you meet someone who doesn't then just take it easy, carry them or drop the group as you wish. No need to yell at them, then rage quit, feeling bitter for a whole day, and go to forums demand those people must be punished.
First, Im not expecting high numbers from randoms. I just expect them to play the role they've chosen.
If they dont want to, I dont want to carry them either. Because sure, I can carry, but what if they meet a person who is new and doesnt have crafted sets and capped cps? What they will do, if theyre spoiled by people carrying them? >.> If a player wants to cooperate, he/she is already not bad in my book.
Also, from my experience, players who dont wanna cooperate and players who yell at healers are the same kind of people. Its not about gear, its not about skill even. But not wanting to help your group by playing your role is just outright rude, and people who do that are usually rude in other situations as well. I never, ever saw a player who would be super bad and super friendly at the same time.
And I dont see any reason to be nice to people who are not nice to me and the rest of the group.
Simply drop group.
What if only one person doesnt wanna cooperate and the rest are fine?
Send tell to those people, all drop group, invite those you want to group with, use group finder to fill the last spot. Now you have lead, you can kick whoever you don't want.
I have no specific desire to kick anyone, if youre trying to imply that.
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TheDarkShadow✭✭✭✭✭
✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »TheDarkShadow wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »TheDarkShadow wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »TheDarkShadow wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »TheDarkShadow wrote: »This thread is not wrong. These are indeed what you should do if you want to fulfill your role in a group. But what people doing "wrong" here is they expect everyone they group with doing what this thread listed. You forgot that you cannot control other people. And you shouldn't. Trying to change people, even to make them better, is a hard task. It's like trying to argue and convince a priest, using all the scientific facts to prove that the Bible is wrong. Sometime you need to ask yourself: "Is it worth the time and the negative feeling? Am I playing this game for fun, to have a relax time, or am I taking a serious deed trying to change the way everyone play the game." Don't let the way other people play ruin your fun. You can always drop group whenever you want, and form your own group with people you prefer to play with rather than random people.
Its not about being better.
Its about nessesary mechanics. For example, if you queue as a healer, you should cast heals. If you dont, you might be the most fun and awesome person on Earth, but youre not a healer. Same with tanks and dds...
I didn't say you shouldn't, what I said is if you meet someone who doesn't then just take it easy, carry them or drop the group as you wish. No need to yell at them, then rage quit, feeling bitter for a whole day, and go to forums demand those people must be punished.
First, Im not expecting high numbers from randoms. I just expect them to play the role they've chosen.
If they dont want to, I dont want to carry them either. Because sure, I can carry, but what if they meet a person who is new and doesnt have crafted sets and capped cps? What they will do, if theyre spoiled by people carrying them? >.> If a player wants to cooperate, he/she is already not bad in my book.
Also, from my experience, players who dont wanna cooperate and players who yell at healers are the same kind of people. Its not about gear, its not about skill even. But not wanting to help your group by playing your role is just outright rude, and people who do that are usually rude in other situations as well. I never, ever saw a player who would be super bad and super friendly at the same time.
And I dont see any reason to be nice to people who are not nice to me and the rest of the group.
Simply drop group.
What if only one person doesnt wanna cooperate and the rest are fine?
Send tell to those people, all drop group, invite those you want to group with, use group finder to fill the last spot. Now you have lead, you can kick whoever you don't want.
I have no specific desire to kick anyone, if youre trying to imply that.
I'm not implying you, just a general suggestion to everyone read this. People take group finder too serious and upset about it too much. Just relax and you can always form group the old way.0