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THE PUG CHECKLIST (READ THIS BEFORE USING THE VET DUNGEON FINDER).
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭mistermutiny89 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Nice article.
Just an inevitable comment on the tank stamina thing... I use a glyph of absorb stamina on my main weapon and some well-placed champion points to boost my stamina recovery with heavy attacks. I get that tanks are supposed to be blocking "most of the time", but that doesn't mean you have to completely dependent on other peoples skill sets. And there's usually plenty of time in between blocking to leech some stamina back, buff, debuff etc.
But yes... good article for the intended audience, and not critical know-it-alls like me.
Thank you! and of course, I'm too much of a wimp to risk heavy attacks whilst tanking, but thanks to swallow soul being so cheap and siphoning attacks I just spam that out of block to self heal and get back stam. But I'm defs more a dps guy. Tanking is not my forte but I'd like to think I know the role. haha Sort of.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Please consider this is your personal preference and now that its on the forums...but it differs from the ZOS articles and roles.
I would consider this more of an ideal situation based on a particular experience you want so therefore, I'd say you should never use the PUG an only use manual groups. Then queue when full
Another monstrously opposed reply from Smurf, good to know you haven't changed, and that you aren't on EU haha.
As I'm glad ur on PC and EU.
Another overtly incorrect deduction from Smurf. Feel free to use the "full site" version on your phone to read player signatures. I find your signature with your ideas on a new levelling and gear system particularly amusing and further proof of your short sightedness when it comes to this game's direction a little saddening, but the poll already underlined that. It's always a blast with you smurf. Keep on, keeping on!
I see your sig say Xbox EU but my comment was as off base as your OP.
See there are concepts and expectations that go with roles and MMORPG games but the tone of your post comes off as play this way or gtfo.
To me that's crazy and it also doesn't align with the companies game guide so while this is your perspective and some others agree....I've found that taking and holding this perspective isn't good for the social interactions or enjoying gameplay long term as the circle that holds this mindset is very small in comparison to the vast amount of players who successfully run dungeons in PUGs each night.
Mdiff strokes for diff folks but realize I have changed but perhaps you have not which is why you have this perspective or opinion about me.
Some are already finding my guide helpful. Some find it offensive. As stated in the thread. It's not a build guide, it's a role guide. If your tank can't taunt, you are not a tank. If your healer does nothing but heal, you aren't an effective healer. If your dps spams wrecking blow till kingdom come without any dots or aoes, you are not an effective dps. These are FACTS. Yes? Something you rarely dip your toes in.
You live in this world where you believe you're fighting for employee of the month. But you aren't an employee. You're a fan, with a passion that may match mine for the game, but it's twisted and deluded. And that's a shame. We both read each other's statements poorly but in this instance I stick by the fact that these are really decent guidelines. I'm in sometimes eight pugs a day. I've seen a lot and this guide could help many.
This is not an attack on the pug community, I'm endeavoring to better it. You won't see that though... If I say the sky is blue, you'll say it's red. That's you. You haven't changed.
Your assumptions are way off base about me in this recent reply.
Simply put....go read this site on the roles ZOS describes.
Anything that is far off from those is your preference.
When you post something using the word "checklist" and instruct ppl to read it before using the vet dungeon tool, you are insulting people, offending people and there are always those who share your points of view as well.
Some things are obvious but this post seeks to encourage the forum community to adhere to a concept that isn't the design intent of the game. Furthermore from hands on you and I know that this "checklist" is completely opinionated.
This post is exactly why many people leave the game. As my real life friend shared with me 2 years ago when I attempted to use this logic. "Hey man, that may work for you all who are use to playing on PC, but if I need to play like you all, I'll play alone or go play something else".
See, the reality is, that he can play anyway he wants as long as he is playing supporting the group efforts. This guy plays group content in first person as melee and often can't find or see us. He gets in red a lot but he plays his role based on the game guide.
Tanks- while they should shield the group, stun, block and pull, they don't "have to taunt".
Dps- shouldn't do a lot of aoe unless the group builds allow CC, heals and the other dos and tank to keep order
Healer - should heal but is welcomed to dos while healing as I can throw a heal on me and pop a potion too.
The trinity does not apply to this game in a strict manner like older and other MMO's per the game guide and from actual gameplay. It's a lot more fun to play with a range of effective possibilities instead of being limited to one role and expected to be cookie cutter.
That's all. Nothing personal against you but it's the tone and information in your post....-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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PhatGrimReaper✭✭✭✭✭How Vet Dungeons actually work.....
DPS: Do insane amounts of damage in order to avoid/ignore mechanics
Healer: BoL me and Do insane amounts of damage in order to avoid/ignore mechanics
Tank: Taunt, don't Die and Do insane amounts of damage in order to avoid/ignore mechanicsFat Grim Reaper - (m)Dragon Knight AR28
F G R Junior - Templar AR26
This One Had Name Changed - Nightblade AR19
Fat Grim Streaker - Sorcerer AR15
M12-GM - Guardians of the Twelve-GM - Crown Store Heroes - ETU
RÀGE - R.I.P8 -
mistermutiny89✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Nice article.
Just an inevitable comment on the tank stamina thing... I use a glyph of absorb stamina on my main weapon and some well-placed champion points to boost my stamina recovery with heavy attacks. I get that tanks are supposed to be blocking "most of the time", but that doesn't mean you have to completely dependent on other peoples skill sets. And there's usually plenty of time in between blocking to leech some stamina back, buff, debuff etc.
But yes... good article for the intended audience, and not critical know-it-alls like me.
Thank you! and of course, I'm too much of a wimp to risk heavy attacks whilst tanking, but thanks to swallow soul being so cheap and siphoning attacks I just spam that out of block to self heal and get back stam. But I'm defs more a dps guy. Tanking is not my forte but I'd like to think I know the role. haha Sort of.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Please consider this is your personal preference and now that its on the forums...but it differs from the ZOS articles and roles.
I would consider this more of an ideal situation based on a particular experience you want so therefore, I'd say you should never use the PUG an only use manual groups. Then queue when full
Another monstrously opposed reply from Smurf, good to know you haven't changed, and that you aren't on EU haha.
As I'm glad ur on PC and EU.
Another overtly incorrect deduction from Smurf. Feel free to use the "full site" version on your phone to read player signatures. I find your signature with your ideas on a new levelling and gear system particularly amusing and further proof of your short sightedness when it comes to this game's direction a little saddening, but the poll already underlined that. It's always a blast with you smurf. Keep on, keeping on!
I see your sig say Xbox EU but my comment was as off base as your OP.
See there are concepts and expectations that go with roles and MMORPG games but the tone of your post comes off as play this way or gtfo.
To me that's crazy and it also doesn't align with the companies game guide so while this is your perspective and some others agree....I've found that taking and holding this perspective isn't good for the social interactions or enjoying gameplay long term as the circle that holds this mindset is very small in comparison to the vast amount of players who successfully run dungeons in PUGs each night.
Mdiff strokes for diff folks but realize I have changed but perhaps you have not which is why you have this perspective or opinion about me.
Some are already finding my guide helpful. Some find it offensive. As stated in the thread. It's not a build guide, it's a role guide. If your tank can't taunt, you are not a tank. If your healer does nothing but heal, you aren't an effective healer. If your dps spams wrecking blow till kingdom come without any dots or aoes, you are not an effective dps. These are FACTS. Yes? Something you rarely dip your toes in.
You live in this world where you believe you're fighting for employee of the month. But you aren't an employee. You're a fan, with a passion that may match mine for the game, but it's twisted and deluded. And that's a shame. We both read each other's statements poorly but in this instance I stick by the fact that these are really decent guidelines. I'm in sometimes eight pugs a day. I've seen a lot and this guide could help many.
This is not an attack on the pug community, I'm endeavoring to better it. You won't see that though... If I say the sky is blue, you'll say it's red. That's you. You haven't changed.
When you post something using the word "checklist" and instruct ppl to read it before using the vet dungeon tool, you are insulting people, offending people and there are always those who share your points of view as well.
Some things are obvious but this post seeks to encourage the forum community to adhere to a concept that isn't the design intent of the game. Furthermore from hands on you and I know that this "checklist" is completely opinionated.
Tanks- while they should shield the group, stun, block and pull, they don't "have to taunt".
Dps- shouldn't do a lot of aoe unless the group builds allow CC, heals and the other dos and tank to keep order
Healer - should heal but is welcomed to dos while healing as I can throw a heal on me and pop a potion too..
That's a lot of power in one little word. "Checklist". I wonder if I gave a random in the street a "checklist" asking them to give me a pedicure and clean my apartment if they'd do it?
Anyway. Good to know a tank shouldn't taunt. That a dps should focus on attacking one enemy out of the 10 they are attacking and that a healer should focus on themselves. Sounds like an awesome team!
Guild Leader : Defenders Of Miley
XB1 EU
EP | VR16 Breton NB -mistermutiny
AD | VR16 Dunmer DK - Grigori
AD | VR16 Altmer Sorcerer - Isvoleet
AD | VR16 Imperial DK - Leonidas
AD | VR16 Bosmer NB - Hood
AD | VR16 Breton Templar - Dante
AD | VR16 Redguard Sorcerer - Raiden
AD | VR7 Khajiit Templar - Ike'ilyew
DC | 160 Breton NB - Vergil
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Mojmir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭mistermutiny89 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Nice article.
Just an inevitable comment on the tank stamina thing... I use a glyph of absorb stamina on my main weapon and some well-placed champion points to boost my stamina recovery with heavy attacks. I get that tanks are supposed to be blocking "most of the time", but that doesn't mean you have to completely dependent on other peoples skill sets. And there's usually plenty of time in between blocking to leech some stamina back, buff, debuff etc.
But yes... good article for the intended audience, and not critical know-it-alls like me.
Thank you! and of course, I'm too much of a wimp to risk heavy attacks whilst tanking, but thanks to swallow soul being so cheap and siphoning attacks I just spam that out of block to self heal and get back stam. But I'm defs more a dps guy. Tanking is not my forte but I'd like to think I know the role. haha Sort of.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Please consider this is your personal preference and now that its on the forums...but it differs from the ZOS articles and roles.
I would consider this more of an ideal situation based on a particular experience you want so therefore, I'd say you should never use the PUG an only use manual groups. Then queue when full
Another monstrously opposed reply from Smurf, good to know you haven't changed, and that you aren't on EU haha.
As I'm glad ur on PC and EU.
Another overtly incorrect deduction from Smurf. Feel free to use the "full site" version on your phone to read player signatures. I find your signature with your ideas on a new levelling and gear system particularly amusing and further proof of your short sightedness when it comes to this game's direction a little saddening, but the poll already underlined that. It's always a blast with you smurf. Keep on, keeping on!
I see your sig say Xbox EU but my comment was as off base as your OP.
See there are concepts and expectations that go with roles and MMORPG games but the tone of your post comes off as play this way or gtfo.
To me that's crazy and it also doesn't align with the companies game guide so while this is your perspective and some others agree....I've found that taking and holding this perspective isn't good for the social interactions or enjoying gameplay long term as the circle that holds this mindset is very small in comparison to the vast amount of players who successfully run dungeons in PUGs each night.
Mdiff strokes for diff folks but realize I have changed but perhaps you have not which is why you have this perspective or opinion about me.
Some are already finding my guide helpful. Some find it offensive. As stated in the thread. It's not a build guide, it's a role guide. If your tank can't taunt, you are not a tank. If your healer does nothing but heal, you aren't an effective healer. If your dps spams wrecking blow till kingdom come without any dots or aoes, you are not an effective dps. These are FACTS. Yes? Something you rarely dip your toes in.
You live in this world where you believe you're fighting for employee of the month. But you aren't an employee. You're a fan, with a passion that may match mine for the game, but it's twisted and deluded. And that's a shame. We both read each other's statements poorly but in this instance I stick by the fact that these are really decent guidelines. I'm in sometimes eight pugs a day. I've seen a lot and this guide could help many.
This is not an attack on the pug community, I'm endeavoring to better it. You won't see that though... If I say the sky is blue, you'll say it's red. That's you. You haven't changed.
When you post something using the word "checklist" and instruct ppl to read it before using the vet dungeon tool, you are insulting people, offending people and there are always those who share your points of view as well.
Some things are obvious but this post seeks to encourage the forum community to adhere to a concept that isn't the design intent of the game. Furthermore from hands on you and I know that this "checklist" is completely opinionated.
Tanks- while they should shield the group, stun, block and pull, they don't "have to taunt".
Dps- shouldn't do a lot of aoe unless the group builds allow CC, heals and the other dos and tank to keep order
Healer - should heal but is welcomed to dos while healing as I can throw a heal on me and pop a potion too..
That's a lot of power in one little word. "Checklist". I wonder if I gave a random in the street a "checklist" asking them to give me a pedicure and clean my apartment if they'd do it?
Anyway. Good to know a tank shouldn't taunt. That a dps should focus on attacking one enemy out of the 10 they are attacking and that a healer should focus on themselves. Sounds like an awesome team!
yea,im not sure if i would run with that group2 -
mistermutiny89✭✭✭✭✭PhatGrimReaper wrote: »How Vet Dungeons actually work.....
DPS: Do insane amounts of damage in order to avoid/ignore mechanics
Healer: BoL me and Do insane amounts of damage in order to avoid/ignore mechanics
Tank: Taunt, don't Die and Do insane amounts of damage in order to avoid/ignore mechanics
Hahaha exactly, I'm actually veering closer to having all my willpower jewelry on my sap tank with spell damage which'll make him have about as much non crit dps as my magblade but I'm scared I'll run out of magicka and get my group killed. Siphoning attacks nerf has been pretty nasty for sap tanks.
Guild Leader : Defenders Of Miley
XB1 EU
EP | VR16 Breton NB -mistermutiny
AD | VR16 Dunmer DK - Grigori
AD | VR16 Altmer Sorcerer - Isvoleet
AD | VR16 Imperial DK - Leonidas
AD | VR16 Bosmer NB - Hood
AD | VR16 Breton Templar - Dante
AD | VR16 Redguard Sorcerer - Raiden
AD | VR7 Khajiit Templar - Ike'ilyew
DC | 160 Breton NB - Vergil
"Hmmm... Very convincing.. Does the illusion apply to.. Everywhere? Perhaps this one should have a moment alone in private to double check" - Razum'Dar0 -
PhatGrimReaper✭✭✭✭✭mistermutiny89 wrote: »PhatGrimReaper wrote: »How Vet Dungeons actually work.....
DPS: Do insane amounts of damage in order to avoid/ignore mechanics
Healer: BoL me and Do insane amounts of damage in order to avoid/ignore mechanics
Tank: Taunt, don't Die and Do insane amounts of damage in order to avoid/ignore mechanics
Hahaha exactly, I'm actually veering closer to having all my willpower jewelry on my sap tank with spell damage which'll make him have about as much non crit dps as my magblade but I'm scared I'll run out of magicka and get my group killed. Siphoning attacks nerf has been pretty nasty for sap tanks.
My DK tank is a DPS with S&B..... 22k health and 25-27k resistances.... dont really 'need' actual tanks for most vDungeonsFat Grim Reaper - (m)Dragon Knight AR28
F G R Junior - Templar AR26
This One Had Name Changed - Nightblade AR19
Fat Grim Streaker - Sorcerer AR15
M12-GM - Guardians of the Twelve-GM - Crown Store Heroes - ETU
RÀGE - R.I.P0 -
MidnightBlue✭✭✭While this is helpful and I agree with a lot of it, there are people who queue for the wrong roles and ended up carrying people instead.0
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MidnightBlue✭✭✭Also every DPS should not just level medium and light, they should level heavy for their Undaunted Mettle. Those extra stats are so nice especially the health from heavy armor.
Every Templar should run Repentance. That FREE cost from dead ads restore your health and stamina especially if you got stam based players in your group. You also get regen when you have it slotted. Why wouldn't you want that?Edited by MidnightBlue on April 19, 2016 5:06AM0 -
GeorgeBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The elite check list:
1)Form you own group with experienced friends.
2)Never use zone chat.
Now go compete for leaderboard numbers for maximum fun.3 -
iam_slickone✭✭✭this was a good read, i only run dungeons with the same group but when i do start running pugs this will be useful.'Keyser Soze Magic TemplarSiike Magic Sorcer'Haze Stamina NightBlade'Caeser Stamina DK'Leonidas Stamina Templar'Thunder Stamina Sorcer0 -
Kozer✭✭✭So I am a new vet 16 DK tank and I am running a stam build.
I know you put this up
IMPORTANT STATS
Health
Preferred: 30,000
Minimum: 27,500
Maximum: 32,500 (bit of a waste)
Physical and Spell Resistance
Preferred: 32,500
Realistic: 28-30k (buffed)
Passable: 25k (buffed)
But I am in all purple vet 16 gear now and my health is barely hitting the minimum with food (not that great food but still)
My resistance is sitting at like 22.1k unbuffed by any ability. And most of my gear has the armor increase % on it.
Do I need yellow gear to hit all this marks? Or did I do something wrong when I made my gear?0 -
Usara✭✭✭✭Ok, I don't want to sound mean, but maybe you should not talk about stats because you don't seem to know what you're talking about
30k health recommended for a tank ? Magicka regen best stat for a healer ? I almost choked on my coffee.
Other than that, the general tips are good and should be followed. Shame you are discrediting yourself with the stats part What? Lead? Me? No, no, no. No leading. Bad things happen when I lead. We get lost, people die, and the next thing you know I’m stranded somewhere without any pants.Usara v531 - Usara2 v322 - Escouade Sauvage - PC - EU - EP
Usara Den Thasnet - Retainer of House Hlaalu (Dunmer Templar, heal)
Livia Augustus - Deserter of the Imperial 7th Legion (Imperial DK, tank)
Aspen Vael - Battlemage of King Casimir III (Breton Sorcerer, tank/dd magicka)
Caris Vael - Missing Student of the Mage Guild of Shornhelm (Breton NB, dd magicka, vampire)
Eugene Fitzherbert - Wanted con artist hiding in Wayrest (Imperial Templar, tank/dd magicka)
Chante-avec-les-escargots - House Hlaalu snail breeder (Argonian NB, tank)
Ryl Serandas - Mournhold Ordinator (Dunmer DK, dd magicka)
Dar'Aiean - House Hlaalu Smuggler (Khajiit NB, dd stamina)
Ferinwe - Alteration Instructor of the Mage Guild of Ebonheart (Altmer Sorcerer, dd magicka, retired)
Torafhilde Frostdottir - Winterhold Cryomancer (Nord Sorcerer, dd magicka)
Senecar - Daedra hunter, former Thalmor corps (Altmer Templar, dd magicka)
Ondres Hlaalu - House Hlaalu Skooma Trader (Dunmer NB, dd magicka)1 -
Magdalina✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Insightful but quite a bit of an overkill considering how easy even vet dungeons are these days. Most of them can be tanked in light armor, done with no tank and/or healer at all, 2 manned or even soloed I also run with plenty of people choosing several roles, I will also choose heals/dps on my sorc, there's no problem with that. The problem is with choosing a role you 100% can't do but people can do that just as fine by choosing just one role. I've had more "pure tanks" with no taunt and 18k health in pugs than I've had noob people with multiple roles.
Honestly when I pug I don't expect people to follow any of those requirements(heck I don't fit most of those o.O I have barely 50% crit and <16k health when I heal. I am a sorc though). I also fully expect them to not know their roles or anything. One thing I do at least want though is for them to at least somewhat listen
I can carry an atrocious pug through most dungeons. I generally have very high tolerance for wiping as long as everyone is chill about it, and I only pug when I know I will be able to stay chill if I get the worst team possible(and then I can be pleasantly surprised if I don't). 0 -
SlayerSyrena✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hey Mutiny, thanks for writing this up! I found this to be a very well-written and spot-on guide. (Also, bookmarked for future reference.)PC/NA, Level 50 * Current Champion Points: 1600+
Cyndril - Bosmer Vampire Nightblade - Dual Wield Blades and Bow
***Member of the closed early beta group, The Psijic Order***
Guest on first ESO Live
My ESO fan art and comics1 -
CaptainBeerDude✭✭✭✭✭mistermutiny89 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Nice article.
Just an inevitable comment on the tank stamina thing... I use a glyph of absorb stamina on my main weapon and some well-placed champion points to boost my stamina recovery with heavy attacks. I get that tanks are supposed to be blocking "most of the time", but that doesn't mean you have to completely dependent on other peoples skill sets. And there's usually plenty of time in between blocking to leech some stamina back, buff, debuff etc.
But yes... good article for the intended audience, and not critical know-it-alls like me.
Thank you! and of course, I'm too much of a wimp to risk heavy attacks whilst tanking, but thanks to swallow soul being so cheap and siphoning attacks I just spam that out of block to self heal and get back stam. But I'm defs more a dps guy. Tanking is not my forte but I'd like to think I know the role. haha Sort of.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Please consider this is your personal preference and now that its on the forums...but it differs from the ZOS articles and roles.
I would consider this more of an ideal situation based on a particular experience you want so therefore, I'd say you should never use the PUG an only use manual groups. Then queue when full
Another monstrously opposed reply from Smurf, good to know you haven't changed, and that you aren't on EU haha.
As I'm glad ur on PC and EU.
Another overtly incorrect deduction from Smurf. Feel free to use the "full site" version on your phone to read player signatures. I find your signature with your ideas on a new levelling and gear system particularly amusing and further proof of your short sightedness when it comes to this game's direction a little saddening, but the poll already underlined that. It's always a blast with you smurf. Keep on, keeping on!
I see your sig say Xbox EU but my comment was as off base as your OP.
See there are concepts and expectations that go with roles and MMORPG games but the tone of your post comes off as play this way or gtfo.
To me that's crazy and it also doesn't align with the companies game guide so while this is your perspective and some others agree....I've found that taking and holding this perspective isn't good for the social interactions or enjoying gameplay long term as the circle that holds this mindset is very small in comparison to the vast amount of players who successfully run dungeons in PUGs each night.
Mdiff strokes for diff folks but realize I have changed but perhaps you have not which is why you have this perspective or opinion about me.
Some are already finding my guide helpful. Some find it offensive. As stated in the thread. It's not a build guide, it's a role guide. If your tank can't taunt, you are not a tank. If your healer does nothing but heal, you aren't an effective healer. If your dps spams wrecking blow till kingdom come without any dots or aoes, you are not an effective dps. These are FACTS. Yes? Something you rarely dip your toes in.
You live in this world where you believe you're fighting for employee of the month. But you aren't an employee. You're a fan, with a passion that may match mine for the game, but it's twisted and deluded. And that's a shame. We both read each other's statements poorly but in this instance I stick by the fact that these are really decent guidelines. I'm in sometimes eight pugs a day. I've seen a lot and this guide could help many.
This is not an attack on the pug community, I'm endeavoring to better it. You won't see that though... If I say the sky is blue, you'll say it's red. That's you. You haven't changed.
When you post something using the word "checklist" and instruct ppl to read it before using the vet dungeon tool, you are insulting people, offending people and there are always those who share your points of view as well.
Some things are obvious but this post seeks to encourage the forum community to adhere to a concept that isn't the design intent of the game. Furthermore from hands on you and I know that this "checklist" is completely opinionated.
Tanks- while they should shield the group, stun, block and pull, they don't "have to taunt".
Dps- shouldn't do a lot of aoe unless the group builds allow CC, heals and the other dos and tank to keep order
Healer - should heal but is welcomed to dos while healing as I can throw a heal on me and pop a potion too..
That's a lot of power in one little word. "Checklist". I wonder if I gave a random in the street a "checklist" asking them to give me a pedicure and clean my apartment if they'd do it?
Anyway. Good to know a tank shouldn't taunt. That a dps should focus on attacking one enemy out of the 10 they are attacking and that a healer should focus on themselves. Sounds like an awesome team!
8/8. Would run with them. Probably joined as tank and end up healing. would give up after about an hour (depending on available free time.)0 -
Trashkan✭✭✭So I am a new vet 16 DK tank and I am running a stam build.
I know you put this up
IMPORTANT STATS
Health
Preferred: 30,000
Minimum: 27,500
Maximum: 32,500 (bit of a waste)
Physical and Spell Resistance
Preferred: 32,500
Realistic: 28-30k (buffed)
Passable: 25k (buffed)
But I am in all purple vet 16 gear now and my health is barely hitting the minimum with food (not that great food but still)
My resistance is sitting at like 22.1k unbuffed by any ability. And most of my gear has the armor increase % on it.
Do I need yellow gear to hit all this marks? Or did I do something wrong when I made my gear?
Yes if you make your V16 armor gold you will see a huge difference. That goes for glyphs too. I prefer the tri-stat glyphs for my trial tank.if not go for Stam. Health can be as low as 22k for anything other than trial bosses as long as you have the stam to back it up.0 -
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Flameheart✭✭✭✭✭To all the haters here, this is just a guide which should help noobs using the LFG tool. While you are possibly able to solo most silver instances and even some gold/vets you won't ever do that, because it will take time. The good old trinity setup is not a bad thing to get stuff done if you aren't an elite player playing an elite toon.
To all the people who think that somebody should queue as a tank or a healer without a taunt or heal on his skillbar, I have my personal and favorite method to deal with that.
If I am a NB DD I will use Crushing Shock / Force Pulse and Pulsar, so no heals for you, when I am there as a DD. Let's see how far we get.
If am the healer and all those nasty casters and especially archers (physical damage) are spread around the whole room firing at me, because no tank and just lousy dps which isn't able to do some serious AoE, I will stay for the first boss and afterwards I will just leave to *** up your daily. Let's see how you get a replacement if the first quest boss is down.
I love it to be on your ignore list, because so you will be on mine.
Edited by Flameheart on April 19, 2016 2:33PMSometimes the prey turns and nips us... it's a small thing.
So let the snow flakes and unicorns dance alone until they melt or vanish from existence, we will finish up with those smart enough to stay in the glowing circle of love.
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Trashkan✭✭✭Isn't this a hateful topic to begin with the title is not constructive at all. Some people like teaching others and some are snooty stuck up MMO has beens.0
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »This post is exactly why many people leave the game. As my real life friend shared with me 2 years ago when I attempted to use this logic. "Hey man, that may work for you all who are use to playing on PC, but if I need to play like you all, I'll play alone or go play something else".
See, the reality is, that he can play anyway he wants as long as he is playing supporting the group efforts. This guy plays group content in first person as melee and often can't find or see us. He gets in red a lot but he plays his role based on the game guide.
Tanks- while they should shield the group, stun, block and pull, they don't "have to taunt".
Dps- shouldn't do a lot of aoe unless the group builds allow CC, heals and the other dos and tank to keep order
Healer - should heal but is welcomed to dos while healing as I can throw a heal on me and pop a potion too.
The trinity does not apply to this game in a strict manner like older and other MMO's per the game guide and from actual gameplay. It's a lot more fun to play with a range of effective possibilities instead of being limited to one role and expected to be cookie cutter.
That's all. Nothing personal against you but it's the tone and information in your post....
Leave the game because it has set mechanics? Teh horror! :O
Seriously, maybe online gaming is just not their cup of tea... Cause this one is 99% super casual friendly. Or is it their first video game ever?
As for tanks, healer description doesnt say how you should heal. One might think that rapid regeneration is enough to heal vICP (it is a healing spell after all), and "healer" description doesnt say that you need to cast healing springs or something. But this just isnt gonna work. Dps description also doesnt say you need to use something better than just light attack spam... Etc.
Tank description says that you gotta protect your teammates from heavy hits but there's no way to control these hits without supplementary abilities called taunts. If you wont use them, "shield" will be running around helplessly when the boss kills the healer... Not very heroic, dont you think?
Edited by LadyNalcarya on April 19, 2016 9:42AMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭✭Great writeup, i rly liked it. Stats can be duscussed, butif everyone follows your guideline it should work. More experienced people can go with lower HP/resistence as a tank for example....but this is for starters and therefore ok imo.So I am a new vet 16 DK tank and I am running a stam build.
I know you put this up
IMPORTANT STATS
Health
Preferred: 30,000
Minimum: 27,500
Maximum: 32,500 (bit of a waste)
Physical and Spell Resistance
Preferred: 32,500
Realistic: 28-30k (buffed)
Passable: 25k (buffed)
But I am in all purple vet 16 gear now and my health is barely hitting the minimum with food (not that great food but still)
My resistance is sitting at like 22.1k unbuffed by any ability. And most of my gear has the armor increase % on it.
Do I need yellow gear to hit all this marks? Or did I do something wrong when I made my gear?
Your resistance seems fine, just use your resistence buff 24/7 and you're fine
Btw. do you use setitems? they make a great difference, also using (tristat-)food is rly important.
I hope i could help you a bit.
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✭✭✭✭✭mistermutiny89 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Nice article.
Just an inevitable comment on the tank stamina thing... I use a glyph of absorb stamina on my main weapon and some well-placed champion points to boost my stamina recovery with heavy attacks. I get that tanks are supposed to be blocking "most of the time", but that doesn't mean you have to completely dependent on other peoples skill sets. And there's usually plenty of time in between blocking to leech some stamina back, buff, debuff etc.
But yes... good article for the intended audience, and not critical know-it-alls like me.
Thank you! and of course, I'm too much of a wimp to risk heavy attacks whilst tanking, but thanks to swallow soul being so cheap and siphoning attacks I just spam that out of block to self heal and get back stam. But I'm defs more a dps guy. Tanking is not my forte but I'd like to think I know the role. haha Sort of.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Please consider this is your personal preference and now that its on the forums...but it differs from the ZOS articles and roles.
I would consider this more of an ideal situation based on a particular experience you want so therefore, I'd say you should never use the PUG an only use manual groups. Then queue when full
Another monstrously opposed reply from Smurf, good to know you haven't changed, and that you aren't on EU haha.
As I'm glad ur on PC and EU.
Another overtly incorrect deduction from Smurf. Feel free to use the "full site" version on your phone to read player signatures. I find your signature with your ideas on a new levelling and gear system particularly amusing and further proof of your short sightedness when it comes to this game's direction a little saddening, but the poll already underlined that. It's always a blast with you smurf. Keep on, keeping on!
I see your sig say Xbox EU but my comment was as off base as your OP.
See there are concepts and expectations that go with roles and MMORPG games but the tone of your post comes off as play this way or gtfo.
To me that's crazy and it also doesn't align with the companies game guide so while this is your perspective and some others agree....I've found that taking and holding this perspective isn't good for the social interactions or enjoying gameplay long term as the circle that holds this mindset is very small in comparison to the vast amount of players who successfully run dungeons in PUGs each night.
Mdiff strokes for diff folks but realize I have changed but perhaps you have not which is why you have this perspective or opinion about me.
Some are already finding my guide helpful. Some find it offensive. As stated in the thread. It's not a build guide, it's a role guide. If your tank can't taunt, you are not a tank. If your healer does nothing but heal, you aren't an effective healer. If your dps spams wrecking blow till kingdom come without any dots or aoes, you are not an effective dps. These are FACTS. Yes? Something you rarely dip your toes in.
You live in this world where you believe you're fighting for employee of the month. But you aren't an employee. You're a fan, with a passion that may match mine for the game, but it's twisted and deluded. And that's a shame. We both read each other's statements poorly but in this instance I stick by the fact that these are really decent guidelines. I'm in sometimes eight pugs a day. I've seen a lot and this guide could help many.
This is not an attack on the pug community, I'm endeavoring to better it. You won't see that though... If I say the sky is blue, you'll say it's red. That's you. You haven't changed.
When you post something using the word "checklist" and instruct ppl to read it before using the vet dungeon tool, you are insulting people, offending people and there are always those who share your points of view as well.
Some things are obvious but this post seeks to encourage the forum community to adhere to a concept that isn't the design intent of the game. Furthermore from hands on you and I know that this "checklist" is completely opinionated.
Tanks- while they should shield the group, stun, block and pull, they don't "have to taunt".
Dps- shouldn't do a lot of aoe unless the group builds allow CC, heals and the other dos and tank to keep order
Healer - should heal but is welcomed to dos while healing as I can throw a heal on me and pop a potion too..
That's a lot of power in one little word. "Checklist". I wonder if I gave a random in the street a "checklist" asking them to give me a pedicure and clean my apartment if they'd do it?
Anyway. Good to know a tank shouldn't taunt. That a dps should focus on attacking one enemy out of the 10 they are attacking and that a healer should focus on themselves. Sounds like an awesome team!
It should be read as tanks shouldnt be required to taunt if they are otherwise effective.
You're making illogical conclusions from reading comments but again....whatever works for you, I just know that there are other ways to have success in those roles without using an old traditional trinity concept.
Edited by NewBlacksmurf on April 19, 2016 10:35AM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Nice article.
Just an inevitable comment on the tank stamina thing... I use a glyph of absorb stamina on my main weapon and some well-placed champion points to boost my stamina recovery with heavy attacks. I get that tanks are supposed to be blocking "most of the time", but that doesn't mean you have to completely dependent on other peoples skill sets. And there's usually plenty of time in between blocking to leech some stamina back, buff, debuff etc.
But yes... good article for the intended audience, and not critical know-it-alls like me.
Thank you! and of course, I'm too much of a wimp to risk heavy attacks whilst tanking, but thanks to swallow soul being so cheap and siphoning attacks I just spam that out of block to self heal and get back stam. But I'm defs more a dps guy. Tanking is not my forte but I'd like to think I know the role. haha Sort of.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Please consider this is your personal preference and now that its on the forums...but it differs from the ZOS articles and roles.
I would consider this more of an ideal situation based on a particular experience you want so therefore, I'd say you should never use the PUG an only use manual groups. Then queue when full
Another monstrously opposed reply from Smurf, good to know you haven't changed, and that you aren't on EU haha.
As I'm glad ur on PC and EU.
Another overtly incorrect deduction from Smurf. Feel free to use the "full site" version on your phone to read player signatures. I find your signature with your ideas on a new levelling and gear system particularly amusing and further proof of your short sightedness when it comes to this game's direction a little saddening, but the poll already underlined that. It's always a blast with you smurf. Keep on, keeping on!
I see your sig say Xbox EU but my comment was as off base as your OP.
See there are concepts and expectations that go with roles and MMORPG games but the tone of your post comes off as play this way or gtfo.
To me that's crazy and it also doesn't align with the companies game guide so while this is your perspective and some others agree....I've found that taking and holding this perspective isn't good for the social interactions or enjoying gameplay long term as the circle that holds this mindset is very small in comparison to the vast amount of players who successfully run dungeons in PUGs each night.
Mdiff strokes for diff folks but realize I have changed but perhaps you have not which is why you have this perspective or opinion about me.
Some are already finding my guide helpful. Some find it offensive. As stated in the thread. It's not a build guide, it's a role guide. If your tank can't taunt, you are not a tank. If your healer does nothing but heal, you aren't an effective healer. If your dps spams wrecking blow till kingdom come without any dots or aoes, you are not an effective dps. These are FACTS. Yes? Something you rarely dip your toes in.
You live in this world where you believe you're fighting for employee of the month. But you aren't an employee. You're a fan, with a passion that may match mine for the game, but it's twisted and deluded. And that's a shame. We both read each other's statements poorly but in this instance I stick by the fact that these are really decent guidelines. I'm in sometimes eight pugs a day. I've seen a lot and this guide could help many.
This is not an attack on the pug community, I'm endeavoring to better it. You won't see that though... If I say the sky is blue, you'll say it's red. That's you. You haven't changed.
When you post something using the word "checklist" and instruct ppl to read it before using the vet dungeon tool, you are insulting people, offending people and there are always those who share your points of view as well.
Some things are obvious but this post seeks to encourage the forum community to adhere to a concept that isn't the design intent of the game. Furthermore from hands on you and I know that this "checklist" is completely opinionated.
Tanks- while they should shield the group, stun, block and pull, they don't "have to taunt".
Dps- shouldn't do a lot of aoe unless the group builds allow CC, heals and the other dos and tank to keep order
Healer - should heal but is welcomed to dos while healing as I can throw a heal on me and pop a potion too..
That's a lot of power in one little word. "Checklist". I wonder if I gave a random in the street a "checklist" asking them to give me a pedicure and clean my apartment if they'd do it?
Anyway. Good to know a tank shouldn't taunt. That a dps should focus on attacking one enemy out of the 10 they are attacking and that a healer should focus on themselves. Sounds like an awesome team!
It should be read as tanks shouldnt be required to taunt if they are otherwise effective.
You're making illogical conclusions from reading comments but again....whatever works for you, I just know that there are other ways to have success in those roles without using an old traditional trinity concept.
Well, if you're so logical, please do share some ideas how keeping aggro should be implemented without taunts.
Without nerfing everything to the ground or making it automatical of course.
Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Nice article.
Just an inevitable comment on the tank stamina thing... I use a glyph of absorb stamina on my main weapon and some well-placed champion points to boost my stamina recovery with heavy attacks. I get that tanks are supposed to be blocking "most of the time", but that doesn't mean you have to completely dependent on other peoples skill sets. And there's usually plenty of time in between blocking to leech some stamina back, buff, debuff etc.
But yes... good article for the intended audience, and not critical know-it-alls like me.
Thank you! and of course, I'm too much of a wimp to risk heavy attacks whilst tanking, but thanks to swallow soul being so cheap and siphoning attacks I just spam that out of block to self heal and get back stam. But I'm defs more a dps guy. Tanking is not my forte but I'd like to think I know the role. haha Sort of.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Please consider this is your personal preference and now that its on the forums...but it differs from the ZOS articles and roles.
I would consider this more of an ideal situation based on a particular experience you want so therefore, I'd say you should never use the PUG an only use manual groups. Then queue when full
Another monstrously opposed reply from Smurf, good to know you haven't changed, and that you aren't on EU haha.
As I'm glad ur on PC and EU.
Another overtly incorrect deduction from Smurf. Feel free to use the "full site" version on your phone to read player signatures. I find your signature with your ideas on a new levelling and gear system particularly amusing and further proof of your short sightedness when it comes to this game's direction a little saddening, but the poll already underlined that. It's always a blast with you smurf. Keep on, keeping on!
I see your sig say Xbox EU but my comment was as off base as your OP.
See there are concepts and expectations that go with roles and MMORPG games but the tone of your post comes off as play this way or gtfo.
To me that's crazy and it also doesn't align with the companies game guide so while this is your perspective and some others agree....I've found that taking and holding this perspective isn't good for the social interactions or enjoying gameplay long term as the circle that holds this mindset is very small in comparison to the vast amount of players who successfully run dungeons in PUGs each night.
Mdiff strokes for diff folks but realize I have changed but perhaps you have not which is why you have this perspective or opinion about me.
Some are already finding my guide helpful. Some find it offensive. As stated in the thread. It's not a build guide, it's a role guide. If your tank can't taunt, you are not a tank. If your healer does nothing but heal, you aren't an effective healer. If your dps spams wrecking blow till kingdom come without any dots or aoes, you are not an effective dps. These are FACTS. Yes? Something you rarely dip your toes in.
You live in this world where you believe you're fighting for employee of the month. But you aren't an employee. You're a fan, with a passion that may match mine for the game, but it's twisted and deluded. And that's a shame. We both read each other's statements poorly but in this instance I stick by the fact that these are really decent guidelines. I'm in sometimes eight pugs a day. I've seen a lot and this guide could help many.
This is not an attack on the pug community, I'm endeavoring to better it. You won't see that though... If I say the sky is blue, you'll say it's red. That's you. You haven't changed.
When you post something using the word "checklist" and instruct ppl to read it before using the vet dungeon tool, you are insulting people, offending people and there are always those who share your points of view as well.
Some things are obvious but this post seeks to encourage the forum community to adhere to a concept that isn't the design intent of the game. Furthermore from hands on you and I know that this "checklist" is completely opinionated.
Tanks- while they should shield the group, stun, block and pull, they don't "have to taunt".
Dps- shouldn't do a lot of aoe unless the group builds allow CC, heals and the other dos and tank to keep order
Healer - should heal but is welcomed to dos while healing as I can throw a heal on me and pop a potion too..
That's a lot of power in one little word. "Checklist". I wonder if I gave a random in the street a "checklist" asking them to give me a pedicure and clean my apartment if they'd do it?
Anyway. Good to know a tank shouldn't taunt. That a dps should focus on attacking one enemy out of the 10 they are attacking and that a healer should focus on themselves. Sounds like an awesome team!
It should be read as tanks shouldnt be required to taunt if they are otherwise effective.
You're making illogical conclusions from reading comments but again....whatever works for you, I just know that there are other ways to have success in those roles without using an old traditional trinity concept.
I am 100% sure you won't have success or be effective as a tank if you don't use taunt.
No matter what else you try to help your team. If the DDs get oneshotted by the boss because you failed to hold aggro, you failed your job as tank.Susano'o
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