Khajiit has wares, if you have coin

Lysette · April 2016

newtinmpls wrote: »

LelaBenet wrote: »

Just for interest sake there are many people in the world who has domesticated wild cats as pets and even if this sounds a bit on the cruel side there are medical procedures to have the claws and fangs removed..

I would really encourage anyone who doesn't understand what exactly is done to research this, and to research the potential side effect and how likely they really are.

On the "Feral" side, we have a rescue kitty, and unlike any cat I've ever had, she truly is not tame. It is like having a wild animal in the house. Adorable, but you learn fast to respect her space.

Indeed, but so am I, I get along with cats very well, because I respect their freedom. I do currently not have a cat, but a bunch of other animals to care for, most by professional reasons though. Wildcat breed is a bit problematic, because i could not let it free roam like I would like to, it is not allowed and even on an own large property it is questionable if that is inside the law.

Edit: well, most likely it won''t, I just thought about a neighbor with goats. His young goats are small enough to become prey of a medium sized wildcat. I am not going to buy one, anyway, but I would take a problematic one and try to give it a decent life instead to stay in a cage or even be terminated.

Your rescue cat might just have trust issues and made bad experiences. Give it time, she might get used to you and the new surroundings. She will come when she is ready, just respect her "safe zone" and she will be good, I guess.

Scheneighnay · April 2016

I'm still upset the lynx-looking khajit from TES V aren't an option in this game.

Gidorick · April 2016

Lol. This is pretty much a close up of this:

And this kind of cat IS in ESO @Scheneighnay

Lysette · April 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

Lol. This is pretty much a close up of this:

And this kind of cat IS in ESO @Scheneighnay

And this even they had such a good artist who has done this for skyrim

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Khajiit has to have some bling!!!

Trikfut · April 2016

You guys would be shocked how many cheetahs that are pets are declawed. I personally wouldn't do it to any animal. I'm against even the whole tail docking on dogs.
But cause cheetahs can't retract their claws like the rest of the cats they tend to be declawed when they are kept as a pet.
Also to add cheetahs are becoming a more regulated species for pets in SA due to them becoming an endangered species.
Lastly I'll add that I actually had to take my dog to have her dew claws removed because she loves playing rough and ends up scratching someone till they bleed. We tried to train her out of it, but she's a pretty stubborn little girl. I hated that we had to remove them, but sometimes those kind of proccedures are needed. Specially if you know that none of the harm the pet caused is intentional. They just can't help it.

Lysette · April 2016

LelaBenet wrote: »

You guys would be shocked how many cheetahs that are pets are declawed. I personally wouldn't do it to any animal. I'm against even the whole tail docking on dogs.
But cause cheetahs can't retract their claws like the rest of the cats they tend to be declawed when they are kept as a pet.
Also to add cheetahs are becoming a more regulated species for pets in SA due to them becoming an endangered species.
Lastly I'll add that I actually had to take my dog to have her dew claws removed because she loves playing rough and ends up scratching someone till they bleed. We tried to train her out of it, but she's a pretty stubborn little girl. I hated that we had to remove them, but sometimes those kind of proccedures are needed. Specially if you know that none of the harm the pet caused is intentional. They just can't help it.

I am happy to hear that SA is following the path Namibia has taken - strict protection of cheetahs.

ArchMikem · April 2016

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

yes, I don't mind it, I would even have enough rats for it to hunt. My snake is as well not eating any dead stuff, it needs it's food still somewhat alive when it swallows it whole. That is just how those animals are, but I do not think it is cute, but natural.

Imagine something higher up the food chain than Humanity. Imagine it still needing us somewhat alive when it swallows us whole.

Isn't Nature fun to think about?

So what you think us humans are such special snowflakes and that any other creature but us is just cannon fodder? Right...

I'm not sure what you meant by me thinking we're special snowflakes, but other creatures are pretty much cannon fodder now because of our understanding to create weapons and our ability to use them. I was just jokingly making a point about the rat most likely experiencing sheer terror during it's last moments being swallowed by a predator, like how you or I would undoubtedly feel put in that position.

If the teeth don't do the work, then it'll be a slow death as you experience the futility of your fate, being pulled further into an inescapable confine of flesh, steadily choking on the lack of air. But hey at least you'll die of asphyxiation before you're being being broken down by acid.

...I'm not entirely sure why I decided to talk about this in a thread about cute Khajiit meme's.

Lysette · April 2016

ArchMikem wrote: »

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

yes, I don't mind it, I would even have enough rats for it to hunt. My snake is as well not eating any dead stuff, it needs it's food still somewhat alive when it swallows it whole. That is just how those animals are, but I do not think it is cute, but natural.

Imagine something higher up the food chain than Humanity. Imagine it still needing us somewhat alive when it swallows us whole.

Isn't Nature fun to think about?

So what you think us humans are such special snowflakes and that any other creature but us is just cannon fodder? Right...

I'm not sure what you meant by me thinking we're special snowflakes, but other creatures are pretty much cannon fodder now because of our understanding to create weapons and our ability to use them. I was just jokingly making a point about the rat most likely experiencing sheer terror during it's last moments being swallowed by a predator, like how you or I would undoubtedly feel put in that position.

If the teeth don't do the work, then it'll be a slow death as you experience the futility of your fate, being pulled further into an inescapable confine of flesh, steadily choking on the lack of air. But hey at least you'll die of asphyxiation before you're being being broken down by acid.

...I'm not entirely sure why I decided to talk about this in a thread about cute Khajiit meme's.

Those "cute Khajiit" (real life cats) are predators as well and their prey are birds, rats and mice or in the case of a caracal as well hare and other animals of this size and in the case of lions as well larger animals like greater kudu, Zebras and so on. Cats are not nice to their prey, they often play with the half dead animal or tear it apart while it is still living or might not even eat it at all. So this is your "cute khajiit". You think too much into it, nature is as it is, brutal and clear.

ArchMikem · April 2016

Lysette wrote: »

You think too much into it, nature is as it is, brutal and clear.

I really do.

newtinmpls · April 2016

LelaBenet wrote: »

You guys would be shocked how many cheetahs that are pets are declawed. I personally wouldn't do it to any animal. I'm against even the whole tail docking on dogs.

I'm against both, but for different reasons.

"De-Clawing" is more like chopping off a finger joint, and generally leaves (painful) bits of bone. It's a sloppy procedure.

Tail docking removes some basic posture/body language capabilities, and pretty much insures that you dog will become paranoid and aggressive if around other dogs (who will assume from it's limited body language that it's highly aggressive - even if it isn't). It's a rotten thing to put a dog through (the social aspect - totally aside from the physical).

CherryCake · April 2016

Guys... I dont mean to be disrespectful but... this thread turned into nothing that I intended it to be xD...

Asherons_Call · April 2016

Beautiful kitty!!.. I would love to have one of those if I had the coin..

newtinmpls · April 2016

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

Guys... I dont mean to be disrespectful but... this thread turned into nothing that I intended it to be xD...

Best chance is to expand on what you want.....

Hutch679 · April 2016

Lysette wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

yeah, a caracal, my favorite cat.

Edit: and yes, they indeed exist where I live at. Breeders here even cross-breed them with house cats and sell the 1st generation cross-breed for about 8,000 US dollars. As far as I know, 1st generation cross-breeds were banned in a lot of US states though.

They fall in to the category of exotic pets and vary state to state in the USA.

Any see in the news the young tiger they found roaming a neighborhood on Texas? Lol wtf is wrong with people

Lysette · April 2016

Hutch679 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

yeah, a caracal, my favorite cat.

Edit: and yes, they indeed exist where I live at. Breeders here even cross-breed them with house cats and sell the 1st generation cross-breed for about 8,000 US dollars. As far as I know, 1st generation cross-breeds were banned in a lot of US states though.

They fall in to the category of exotic pets and vary state to state in the USA.

Any see in the news the young tiger they found roaming a neighborhood on Texas? Lol wtf is wrong with people

The problem is, that people see them as kitten and think "oh how cute", but this kitten grows up and when it is adolescent, it's wild features get prominent and the adult animal is a real wild predator, which might or might not attack its owner. This happened even to Siegfried & Roy, who were famous for their acts with exotic cat predators.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siegfried_&_Roy

Volkodav · April 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

LelaBenet wrote: »

Just for interest sake there are many people in the world who has domesticated wild cats as pets and even if this sounds a bit on the cruel side there are medical procedures to have the claws and fangs removed.
In south africa there is a lot of wild life enthusiasts who has not only cross breed caracals, but also lions, leopards and cheetahs as household pets. It takes a lot more care and training to get the wild out of them,but these cats are usually breed and raiised in captivity.

To add on the comment bout things eating other things alive. For those who think themselves so grand for eating only veggies, when you pick a fruit or harvest vegetables those plants are still alive and stay alive until rot sets in. So, you aren't much better than the rest of us. Science has proven that plants do feel and bleed just like any other living thing.

I would never take their eating fangs or their scratching claws from them.That's just mutilation.
Sorry,dont seem to sound upset.I'm not.Just stating that to remove such things is wrong.If you want one of those breeds,have one that was bred and raised in captivity.,They dont know killing.

Same, I would not take their claws or fangs. I had the opportunity to visit and be with that caracal mixed-breed, an adult animal. In essence they are not that different from normal cats, wilder in a way and more energetic, but that is not that different from having a wolf instead of a dog. As long as they are neither hungry nor pestered, you can get along with them. In fact that is not much different from how I react, if I am hungry or pestered. Basically it is vital to know, when they want to be left alone. Why would a caracal want to bite or claw, if it is treated well, not afraid and not hungry?- I see no reason for that.

Edit.: as far as they don't know killing goes, that is an instinct. When you have a kitten of any cat race, it will sooner or later start to hunt birds and mice. It does not need to learn this, it will do it on it's own. You can try to "teach" it to not do it, but you turn your eyes off them, and they will do it - it is their natural instinct. They do that as well if they are not hungry at all.

True,about the instincts. I was thinking more on a larger scale for the bigger cat. Cats will go after mice,and birds.yes,but they wont go after your kids.A larger cat wont go for your toddlers if they are happy and fed.Their instincts stay rather dormant.

Volkodav · April 2016

If I want a big beautiful handful of a cat,I'll get either a Main ***,or a Lynx. Lynxs are great.I had one and it was no real different than a large mushy cat that you left alone when he was eating.
The Main *** are the biggest domestic cats and wonderful pets.Lazy and floppy and lovable.

starkerealm · April 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Edit: the ban is not in all US states, as far as I know, and it is only for 1st generation cross-breeds, the 2nd generation is not effected.

Laws for hybrids vary wildly from state to state. For example, in California it's flat out illegal to own a first generation hybrid, though the law stops at second or third generation. In Virginia, it's legal to own if you take the appropriate measures for care and keeping of the animal, but the law doesn't stop at later generations. Washington (state) does not care about hybrids at all. Those are the ones I remember off hand, but it should get the idea across.

Lysette · April 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

LelaBenet wrote: »

Just for interest sake there are many people in the world who has domesticated wild cats as pets and even if this sounds a bit on the cruel side there are medical procedures to have the claws and fangs removed.
In south africa there is a lot of wild life enthusiasts who has not only cross breed caracals, but also lions, leopards and cheetahs as household pets. It takes a lot more care and training to get the wild out of them,but these cats are usually breed and raiised in captivity.

To add on the comment bout things eating other things alive. For those who think themselves so grand for eating only veggies, when you pick a fruit or harvest vegetables those plants are still alive and stay alive until rot sets in. So, you aren't much better than the rest of us. Science has proven that plants do feel and bleed just like any other living thing.

I would never take their eating fangs or their scratching claws from them.That's just mutilation.
Sorry,dont seem to sound upset.I'm not.Just stating that to remove such things is wrong.If you want one of those breeds,have one that was bred and raised in captivity.,They dont know killing.

Same, I would not take their claws or fangs. I had the opportunity to visit and be with that caracal mixed-breed, an adult animal. In essence they are not that different from normal cats, wilder in a way and more energetic, but that is not that different from having a wolf instead of a dog. As long as they are neither hungry nor pestered, you can get along with them. In fact that is not much different from how I react, if I am hungry or pestered. Basically it is vital to know, when they want to be left alone. Why would a caracal want to bite or claw, if it is treated well, not afraid and not hungry?- I see no reason for that.

Edit.: as far as they don't know killing goes, that is an instinct. When you have a kitten of any cat race, it will sooner or later start to hunt birds and mice. It does not need to learn this, it will do it on it's own. You can try to "teach" it to not do it, but you turn your eyes off them, and they will do it - it is their natural instinct. They do that as well if they are not hungry at all.

True,about the instincts. I was thinking more on a larger scale for the bigger cat. Cats will go after mice,and birds.yes,but they wont go after your kids.A larger cat wont go for your toddlers if they are happy and fed.Their instincts stay rather dormant.

I would not trust into that - they are not like dogs, which might or might not have the hunting instinct. For example guidance dogs for blind people are especially selected for not having this hunting instinct, otherwise they could not be guidance dogs. To make sure of that, the process of becoming a guidance dog is a long one. There is first a socialization phase, where the young dog is given into a family for a year, and they pay close attention to if it shows any tendency to hunt. Just when it turned out to be not the case it will go into training for I think 2-3 years and if it ever shows any tendency to hunt, it will not become a guidance dog - and these are domesticated dogs, which bend to an alpha (in this case the human should be the alpha, and some guidance dogs become unfit again, because the owner is not capable of being this alpha).

But cats are not following and bending to an alpha - I would not trust a wild cat with a child or toddler. And if I would have one, I would expect to be bitten or attacked at some point in time. I just have to make the wrong move and appear to it like a valid prey, and this might trigger it's instincts. A dog will not attack it's alpha, but a cat is different.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · April 2016

My favorite: the Jaguar.
Easy to feed: a shovel and some meat:

CherryCake · April 2016

newtinmpls wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

Guys... I dont mean to be disrespectful but... this thread turned into nothing that I intended it to be xD...

Best chance is to expand on what you want.....

Well, it started out as a joke and it immediately turned into something negative again... I mean who would have thought that you are not supposed to have wild cats as pets, it is very uncommon knowledge! xD
This has nothing to do with ESO, but as long as you guys are happy then I am too xD.

CherryCake · April 2016

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

My favorite: the Jaguar.
Easy to feed: a shovel and some meat:

Clouded leopards are also sooooo cute

I missed it when you were still able to buy them as mount in ESO

... Just look at those paaawwwws

Lysette · April 2016

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

newtinmpls wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

Guys... I dont mean to be disrespectful but... this thread turned into nothing that I intended it to be xD...

Best chance is to expand on what you want.....

Well, it started out as a joke and it immediately turned into something negative again... I mean who would have thought that you are not supposed to have wild cats as pets, it is very uncommon knowledge! xD
This has nothing to do with ESO, but as long as you guys are happy then I am too xD.

I don't think this is a negative thread. We love cats, but an animal has to be taken as it is, for it's own and it's owners good. Just showing a few cute pictures of wild cats is somewhat dangerous, because it might cause others to buy such a cat without to have the knowledge to keep it in a safe way. And so I shared what I know about caracals - which is my favorite cat race and you showed a caracal. So this came immediately to my mind, that just thinking "oh how cute" might lead to something what is not good - not for the cat, not for the owner - like that example showed, what I have described.

Sorry, if you feel, we would have hijacked it.

CherryCake · April 2016

Lysette wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

newtinmpls wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

Guys... I dont mean to be disrespectful but... this thread turned into nothing that I intended it to be xD...

Best chance is to expand on what you want.....

Well, it started out as a joke and it immediately turned into something negative again... I mean who would have thought that you are not supposed to have wild cats as pets, it is very uncommon knowledge! xD
This has nothing to do with ESO, but as long as you guys are happy then I am too xD.

I don't think this is as negative thread. We love cats, but an animal has to be taken as it is, for it's own and it's owners good. Just showing a few cute pictures of wild cats is somewhat dangerous, because it might cause others to buy such a cat without to have the knowledge to keep it in a safe way. And so I shared what I know about caracals - which is my favorite cat race and you showed a caracal. So this came immediately to my mind, that just thinking "oh how cute" might lead to something what is not good - not for the cat, not for the owner - like that example showed, what I have described.

Sorry, if you feel, we would have hijacked it.

Well I guess it is my fault again for thinking humans cant be that stupid as to realize they should protect wild animals and not use them as pets but then again, seeing humanity as it is ;___;... not a good sight.

Lysette · April 2016

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

newtinmpls wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

Guys... I dont mean to be disrespectful but... this thread turned into nothing that I intended it to be xD...

Best chance is to expand on what you want.....

Well, it started out as a joke and it immediately turned into something negative again... I mean who would have thought that you are not supposed to have wild cats as pets, it is very uncommon knowledge! xD
This has nothing to do with ESO, but as long as you guys are happy then I am too xD.

I don't think this is as negative thread. We love cats, but an animal has to be taken as it is, for it's own and it's owners good. Just showing a few cute pictures of wild cats is somewhat dangerous, because it might cause others to buy such a cat without to have the knowledge to keep it in a safe way. And so I shared what I know about caracals - which is my favorite cat race and you showed a caracal. So this came immediately to my mind, that just thinking "oh how cute" might lead to something what is not good - not for the cat, not for the owner - like that example showed, what I have described.

Sorry, if you feel, we would have hijacked it.

Well I guess it is my fault again for thinking humans cant be that stupid as to realize they should protect wild animals and not use them as pets but then again, seeing humanity as it is ;___;... not a good sight.

Cheetahs are meanwhile endangered and more and more countries here are having protection laws in place, with Namibia being one of the strictest with it. You cannot even go and look at them in the wilderness without to have a license to do so.

Edit: But I will show you something, where protection of wild life is problematic, when those come near to inhabited areas - and people have a right to be protected as well from them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cph0D7Vdjp4

theher0not · April 2016

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

My favorite: the Jaguar.
Easy to feed: a shovel and some meat:

Clouded leopards are also sooooo cute I missed it when you were still able to buy them as mount in ESO ... Just look at those paaawwwws

What is my mount doing in that tree?

Shader_Shibes · April 2016

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

My favorite: the Jaguar.
Easy to feed: a shovel and some meat:

Clouded leopards are also sooooo cute I missed it when you were still able to buy them as mount in ESO ... Just look at those paaawwwws

Wow, i consider myself to be quite knowledgeable about animals, but, i never even heard of a clouded leopard. Have to say, he/she looks spectacularly cute!