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CherryCake

CherryCake

Sorry but had to be done xD, found out this cat exists and it looks so much like a Khajiit I just had to xDDD

(its a Caracal btw)

Lysette

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

yeah, a caracal, my favorite cat.

Edit: and yes, they indeed exist where I live at. Breeders here even cross-breed them with house cats and sell the 1st generation cross-breed for about 8,000 US dollars. As far as I know, 1st generation cross-breeds were banned in a lot of US states though.

CherryCake

@Lysette oh wow really? So that used to be legal before?

I love felines, snow leopards are probably my favorite ever
Here is another funny cat xD called "Manul"

Lysette

It still is legal in south africa, but there are often issues with families, who think "oh that kitten is so cute" - but it is a kitten of a predator race, where the adult animal has the size of a medium dog and has claws and 2 inch long fangs. If children anger such a cat, and it gets annoyed it might bite and claw and then there are real injuries. And you know children, they pester an animal until it counters these attacks. I nearly got one, which got returned by a family after the adult animal had enough of children pestering it - I would have liked to host this cat, I got along with it very well - but it was decided, that the animal is too wild and too dangerous unfortunately.

Edit: the ban is not in all US states, as far as I know, and it is only for 1st generation cross-breeds, the 2nd generation is not effected.

If you think of buying one, you have to know, that these cats are very persistant and quite stubborn when it comes to things they want to accomplish. They are very energetic and need a lot of care - several hours, you cannot let them run freely, it is forbidden, so you have to put them on a leash and run with them for long.

Mojmir

Lysette wrote: »

It still is legal in south africa, but there are often issues with families, who think "oh that kitten is so cute" - but it is a kitten of a predator race, where the adult animal has the size of a medium dog and has claws and 2 inch long fangs. If children anger such a cat, and it gets annoyed it might bite and claw and then there are real injuries. And you know children, they pester an animal until it counters these attacks. I nearly got one, which got returned by a family after the adult animal had enough of children pestering it - I would have liked to host this cat, I got along with it very well - but it was decided, that the animal is too wild and too dangerous unfortunately.

Edit: the ban is not in all US states, as far as I know, and it is only for 1st generation cross-breeds, the 2nd generation is not effected.

similar issue when i was growing up, one of my family members had a quarter wolf hound. not so playful as people thought it would be,quite the opposite. you can take the dog out of the fight, but you cant take the fight out dog.

failkiwib16_ESO

To me nothing beats a fluffy persian in lovelyness and cuteness, and nothing beats a margay in beauty. >.<

4ever slave to cats x_x

Lysette

I think I like cats because they are a lot like me. They want to be left alone for the most part, but if they feel like wanting to be with someone, they can be very sweet and tender - but once that phase is over, they want to be left alone again, and this is not what most people want. I can feel this need and so I get along with cats quite well, I respect their freedom and they respect mine and all is good. But this is not the same true for children, they do not understand this mentality of a cat.

Lysette

An adult caracal isn't cute, as well not as a 1st generation cross-breed - it is a predator and this can be felt in all it does. And it is rather big for a cat to live in a household. This is a picture of it having hunted a hare - you can imagine it's size from it.



They live in semi-desert environments, where they have to roam around for long to catch something. They are quite energetic due to that, they need to run a lot or their energy goes into creating havoc and dig out flower pots and stuff like that. They need a lot of care when kept as a "pet" and they are even more stubborn than normal house cats and very persistent.

Ra'Shtar

Adult or not i think its cute, his actions are those of a predator and are completely normal i don't expect a tiger to not pounce on me but i still think he is cute even when he is eating raw meat and is covered in blood.

theher0not

Lysette wrote: »

I think I like cats because they are a lot like me. They want to be left alone for the most part, but if they feel like wanting to be with someone, they can be very sweet and tender - but once that phase is over, they want to be left alone again, and this is not what most people want. I can feel this need and so I get along with cats quite well, I respect their freedom and they respect mine and all is good. But this is not the same true for children, they do not understand this mentality of a cat.

I feel the exact same way. I am also very similar to cats when it comes to my personality which makes them easy to like for me.

Lysette

yes, I don't mind it, I would even have enough rats for it to hunt. My snake is as well not eating any dead stuff, it needs it's food still somewhat alive when it swallows it whole. That is just how those animals are, but I do not think it is cute, but natural.

ArchMikem

Lysette wrote: »

yes, I don't mind it, I would even have enough rats for it to hunt. My snake is as well not eating any dead stuff, it needs it's food still somewhat alive when it swallows it whole. That is just how those animals are, but I do not think it is cute, but natural.

Imagine something higher up the food chain than Humanity. Imagine it still needing us somewhat alive when it swallows us whole.

Isn't Nature fun to think about?

Lysette

ArchMikem wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

yes, I don't mind it, I would even have enough rats for it to hunt. My snake is as well not eating any dead stuff, it needs it's food still somewhat alive when it swallows it whole. That is just how those animals are, but I do not think it is cute, but natural.

Imagine something higher up the food chain than Humanity. Imagine it still needing us somewhat alive when it swallows us whole.

Isn't Nature fun to think about?

You are funny, we eat lifeforms as well in the way we are used to (plants are lifeforms as well, so don't try to come with vegetarian arguments) - and this animal does the exactly same, it eats in it's natural way. It does not eat anything dead, it would starve to death.

Ra'Shtar

ArchMikem wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

yes, I don't mind it, I would even have enough rats for it to hunt. My snake is as well not eating any dead stuff, it needs it's food still somewhat alive when it swallows it whole. That is just how those animals are, but I do not think it is cute, but natural.

Imagine something higher up the food chain than Humanity. Imagine it still needing us somewhat alive when it swallows us whole.

Isn't Nature fun to think about?

So what you think us humans are such special snowflakes and that any other creature but us is just cannon fodder? Right...

Lysette

@ArchMikem nature is brutal and it is a recycling system. All lifeforms eat other lifeforms in one way or the other, even the lowest level is recycling dead higher level lifeforms. Nature is cyclic, there is no real "top of the food chain", that is just a human way to look at it. There are quite brutal ways in which nature operates, which are not pleasant for most species. This is just how nature is, we have to accept it as it is. And if you look at diseases like small pox, ebola or other nasty stuff, were a virus makes use of our bodies to multiply, you do not think anymore of being the top of the food chain. It might not eat us, but it is using us "alive" no matter what happens to us.

Korah_Eaglecry

This one has no idea how your perennials ended up on the roof. This one thinks you might want to ask the Markarth Bear Dog over there.

SahrotRein

Trikfut

Just for interest sake there are many people in the world who has domesticated wild cats as pets and even if this sounds a bit on the cruel side there are medical procedures to have the claws and fangs removed.
In south africa there is a lot of wild life enthusiasts who has not only cross breed caracals, but also lions, leopards and cheetahs as household pets. It takes a lot more care and training to get the wild out of them,but these cats are usually breed and raiised in captivity.

To add on the comment bout things eating other things alive. For those who think themselves so grand for eating only veggies, when you pick a fruit or harvest vegetables those plants are still alive and stay alive until rot sets in. So, you aren't much better than the rest of us. Science has proven that plants do feel and bleed just like any other living thing.

CherryCake

Great one @Runaan xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Well if we start on that...:

Lysette

LelaBenet wrote: »

Just for interest sake there are many people in the world who has domesticated wild cats as pets and even if this sounds a bit on the cruel side there are medical procedures to have the claws and fangs removed.
In south africa there is a lot of wild life enthusiasts who has not only cross breed caracals, but also lions, leopards and cheetahs as household pets. It takes a lot more care and training to get the wild out of them,but these cats are usually breed and raiised in captivity.

To add on the comment bout things eating other things alive. For those who think themselves so grand for eating only veggies, when you pick a fruit or harvest vegetables those plants are still alive and stay alive until rot sets in. So, you aren't much better than the rest of us. Science has proven that plants do feel and bleed just like any other living thing.

Hm, I did not know that you can get cheetahs as well. In Namibia they are under strict protection, you even need a license to even go into the wilderness and look at them there.

Edit: and to plants being actual active lifeforms. When the drought made greater kudu at the border to Botswana eat too many leafs of plants, these plants communicated with each other using chemicals to commonly raise their tannin content in their leafs and kill off a lot of the greater kudu. This was first a miracle, why this happens, but intensive studies showed, that these plants have actively changed the tannin content in their leafs as a group to fight off the greater kudu. Plants are active lifeforms just the same as animals.

Reverb

Lysette wrote: »

An adult caracal isn't cute, as well not as a 1st generation cross-breed - it is a predator and this can be felt in all it does. And it is rather big for a cat to live in a household. This is a picture of it having hunted a hare - you can imagine it's size from it.



They live in semi-desert environments, where they have to roam around for long to catch something. They are quite energetic due to that, they need to run a lot or their energy goes into creating havoc and dig out flower pots and stuff like that. They need a lot of care when kept as a "pet" and they are even more stubborn than normal house cats and very persistent.

That thing would kick my dog's ass.

Gulkrim-mur

Lysette wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

yeah, a caracal, my favorite cat.

Edit: and yes, they indeed exist where I live at. Breeders here even cross-breed them with house cats and sell the 1st generation cross-breed for about 8,000 US dollars. As far as I know, 1st generation cross-breeds were banned in a lot of US states though.

They are iv researched wanting one

Volkodav

Lysette wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

yeah, a caracal, my favorite cat.

Edit: and yes, they indeed exist where I live at. Breeders here even cross-breed them with house cats and sell the 1st generation cross-breed for about 8,000 US dollars. As far as I know, 1st generation cross-breeds were banned in a lot of US states though.

We here in the US have Lynx mixes since other exotic cats are limited or banned.Due to their wild nature.
My friend had a Lynx/Siamese mix and he is just beautiful.

Volkodav

LelaBenet wrote: »

Just for interest sake there are many people in the world who has domesticated wild cats as pets and even if this sounds a bit on the cruel side there are medical procedures to have the claws and fangs removed.
In south africa there is a lot of wild life enthusiasts who has not only cross breed caracals, but also lions, leopards and cheetahs as household pets. It takes a lot more care and training to get the wild out of them,but these cats are usually breed and raiised in captivity.

To add on the comment bout things eating other things alive. For those who think themselves so grand for eating only veggies, when you pick a fruit or harvest vegetables those plants are still alive and stay alive until rot sets in. So, you aren't much better than the rest of us. Science has proven that plants do feel and bleed just like any other living thing.

I would never take their eating fangs or their scratching claws from them.That's just mutilation.
Sorry,dont seem to sound upset.I'm not.Just stating that to remove such things is wrong.If you want one of those breeds,have one that was bred and raised in captivity.,They dont know killing.

Lysette

Volkodav wrote: »

LelaBenet wrote: »

Just for interest sake there are many people in the world who has domesticated wild cats as pets and even if this sounds a bit on the cruel side there are medical procedures to have the claws and fangs removed.
In south africa there is a lot of wild life enthusiasts who has not only cross breed caracals, but also lions, leopards and cheetahs as household pets. It takes a lot more care and training to get the wild out of them,but these cats are usually breed and raiised in captivity.

To add on the comment bout things eating other things alive. For those who think themselves so grand for eating only veggies, when you pick a fruit or harvest vegetables those plants are still alive and stay alive until rot sets in. So, you aren't much better than the rest of us. Science has proven that plants do feel and bleed just like any other living thing.

I would never take their eating fangs or their scratching claws from them.That's just mutilation.
Sorry,dont seem to sound upset.I'm not.Just stating that to remove such things is wrong.If you want one of those breeds,have one that was bred and raised in captivity.,They dont know killing.

Same, I would not take their claws or fangs. I had the opportunity to visit and be with that caracal mixed-breed, an adult animal. In essence they are not that different from normal cats, wilder in a way and more energetic, but that is not that different from having a wolf instead of a dog. As long as they are neither hungry nor pestered, you can get along with them. In fact that is not much different from how I react, if I am hungry or pestered. Basically it is vital to know, when they want to be left alone. Why would a caracal want to bite or claw, if it is treated well, not afraid and not hungry?- I see no reason for that.

Edit.: as far as they don't know killing goes, that is an instinct. When you have a kitten of any cat race, it will sooner or later start to hunt birds and mice. It does not need to learn this, it will do it on it's own. You can try to "teach" it to not do it, but you turn your eyes off them, and they will do it - it is their natural instinct. They do that as well if they are not hungry at all.

Lynx7386

If you want a wildcat as a pet, get a serval. They're mild mannered and behave more like dogs than cats.

Lysette

Lynx7386 wrote: »

If you want a wildcat as a pet, get a serval. They're mild mannered and behave more like dogs than cats.

It was more that I read about this case and I thought I have to help this cat. It was pestered by children and when it defended itself to get rid of these children, it was blamed for doing that and returned. I wanted to give it a new home, where it can be as it is, far away from children, which it did not like a lot due to it's experience with those. But I did not get it unfortunately.

Edit: in a way it was wrong from the breeder to give a wildcat mixed breed into a household with children. But 8,000 US dollars are an argument for him of course. Small kitten look so cute and some people do not think further than this, but it will be a big animal, as big as a medium dog and it has to run as much as a dog of this size as well or it will use it's energy to cause havoc in the household. These cats are clever and can achieve things, which you don't expect. And they are persistent in trying what they have in mind, until they got it.

Acrolas

LelaBenet wrote: »

even if this sounds a bit on the cruel side there are medical procedures to have the claws and fangs removed.

Yeah, let's amputate the first digits of your fingers and toes and see if you like living the rest of your life like that.
"Declawing" is the term they use because "mutilation" doesn't get quite as many idiots to do it.
It doesn't sound cruel. It is cruel.

Because mutilating an animal doesn't take out the scratching, hunting, or other instinct you're trying to remove. It just permanently punishes the animal and you shouldn't have the *** animal in the first place.

Lysette

Acrolas wrote: »

LelaBenet wrote: »

even if this sounds a bit on the cruel side there are medical procedures to have the claws and fangs removed.

Yeah, let's amputate the first digits of your fingers and toes and see if you like living the rest of your life like that.
"Declawing" is the term they use because "mutilation" doesn't get quite as many idiots to do it.
It doesn't sound cruel. It is cruel.

Because mutilating an animal doesn't take out the scratching, hunting, or other instinct you're trying to remove. It just permanently punishes the animal and you shouldn't have the *** animal in the first place.

Some of their natural behavior would not work anymore and they would not understand why, like climbing a tree. Cats do that and they like to lay on a branch in a tree. Just look at cheetahs who are doing that a lot to get away from the hot sands on the ground and rest where it is cooler, in the tree. Wildcats living in such an environment are trying this naturally and they could neither go up nor down safely without their claws.

newtinmpls

LelaBenet wrote: »

Just for interest sake there are many people in the world who has domesticated wild cats as pets and even if this sounds a bit on the cruel side there are medical procedures to have the claws and fangs removed..

I would really encourage anyone who doesn't understand what exactly is done to research this, and to research the potential side effect and how likely they really are.

On the "Feral" side, we have a rescue kitty, and unlike any cat I've ever had, she truly is not tame. It is like having a wild animal in the house. Adorable, but you learn fast to respect her space.