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Suggestion to improve overall experience at Dolmens
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greylox✭✭✭✭✭Make them as hard as they used to be in the beginning at least.PC EU
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Ritzey01✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Perhaps a compromise would be to have the daedra that spawn give no XP and instead have a fixed amount of XP awarded upon looting the chest at the end of the dolmen? Then it wouldn't matter how many daedra where killed in that time or one's reason for participation. All that would matter is if you were eligible to receive the chest.
Think of it this way though: When 3+ people are at an anchor the Daedra are pretty much slaughtered upon spawning. Tough Daedra may last a few seconds but still get slaughtered. If the spawn rate were to speed up though Daedra would appear more often and be able to put up a better fight. Don't know about ya'll but that sounds like a good time to me
And if you happen to be the correct level for the area and dont have access to good crafted weapons and armor, then the faster spawn would kill you and you couldnt solo one if there was no one there to assist.
Your talking about them completely redoing something that isnt broke, just to make it better for you and not the newer player s in the area that may be new to the game/area.
IF IT AINT BROKE, DONT FIX IT!
Faster spawn rate doesn't mean raise the cap of the number of Daedra that CAN be present at any given time. It would present no more danger than already exists, especially since the increased rate would not apply for just one person.
And no it wouldn't be for just me. Plenty of the playerbase do not visit these forums to voice their opinions so no one truly knows what would please or displease them until it happens. As a result I cannot vouch for whether what I am speaking up for would be what others want too but what can it hurt? Trust me I've been to dolmens plenty enough to know how things are and this would inconvenience no one.
Are you sure about this?
Considering I visit them with my alts all the time, yes. Can you truly say the same?
Well, I think we've already identified what is vs what you thought was the case and I hoped it would help you understand better why your ideas don't fit due to the current and original intent of these events.
Do I visit these often? I visit them on my main or alts to complete and if I happen to roll by one, I jump in because I think the events are really cool. I read a lot on this game and based on those who either work for ZOS or those who are gamers as a profession who are paid by developer companies to play their games....I believe that information suggests that your thoughts about how these work aren't completely accurate.
Specific to grinding exp efforts, my entire goal is to clearly educate you and anyone who comes by that this is not a good source of exp other than the original (first completion).
Anything that you continue to do after that is on your own efforts but with more information than you came into this thread with.
Specific to any suggested changes...I've not read one from you that either identifies a problem or that is feasible because the events are working as intended and any and all bugs are resolved.
Happy grinding.
You cannot educate on opinion alone. You think it isn't good xp, I do. We both have different perspectives there so of course we won't see eye to eye. I do recognize your perspective though and am glad you have fun at dolmens. Continue to do so
The amount of exp given is not an opinion, its a fact. It is also a fact that there is much, much, better exp grinding spots out there. Not sure where you are mixing fact and opinion up, but you need to realize which is which.1 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Perhaps a compromise would be to have the daedra that spawn give no XP and instead have a fixed amount of XP awarded upon looting the chest at the end of the dolmen? Then it wouldn't matter how many daedra where killed in that time or one's reason for participation. All that would matter is if you were eligible to receive the chest.
Think of it this way though: When 3+ people are at an anchor the Daedra are pretty much slaughtered upon spawning. Tough Daedra may last a few seconds but still get slaughtered. If the spawn rate were to speed up though Daedra would appear more often and be able to put up a better fight. Don't know about ya'll but that sounds like a good time to me
And if you happen to be the correct level for the area and dont have access to good crafted weapons and armor, then the faster spawn would kill you and you couldnt solo one if there was no one there to assist.
Your talking about them completely redoing something that isnt broke, just to make it better for you and not the newer player s in the area that may be new to the game/area.
IF IT AINT BROKE, DONT FIX IT!
Faster spawn rate doesn't mean raise the cap of the number of Daedra that CAN be present at any given time. It would present no more danger than already exists, especially since the increased rate would not apply for just one person.
And no it wouldn't be for just me. Plenty of the playerbase do not visit these forums to voice their opinions so no one truly knows what would please or displease them until it happens. As a result I cannot vouch for whether what I am speaking up for would be what others want too but what can it hurt? Trust me I've been to dolmens plenty enough to know how things are and this would inconvenience no one.
Are you sure about this?
Considering I visit them with my alts all the time, yes. Can you truly say the same?
Well, I think we've already identified what is vs what you thought was the case and I hoped it would help you understand better why your ideas don't fit due to the current and original intent of these events.
Do I visit these often? I visit them on my main or alts to complete and if I happen to roll by one, I jump in because I think the events are really cool. I read a lot on this game and based on those who either work for ZOS or those who are gamers as a profession who are paid by developer companies to play their games....I believe that information suggests that your thoughts about how these work aren't completely accurate.
Specific to grinding exp efforts, my entire goal is to clearly educate you and anyone who comes by that this is not a good source of exp other than the original (first completion).
Anything that you continue to do after that is on your own efforts but with more information than you came into this thread with.
Specific to any suggested changes...I've not read one from you that either identifies a problem or that is feasible because the events are working as intended and any and all bugs are resolved.
Happy grinding.
You cannot educate on opinion alone. You think it isn't good xp, I do. We both have different perspectives there so of course we won't see eye to eye. I do recognize your perspective though and am glad you have fun at dolmens. Continue to do so
No....see thats the issue from your perspective.
I'm not arguing any points or opinions, I'm sharing facts of how the game works specifically to dolemans.
My opinions on your ideas just also happen to fall into fact because of prior ZOS information and the intent of these events.
Its not up for discussion that after the first completion of a doleman, the exp is not better than literally any other activity...
Lets go further...if you're not doing them at level, its literally pointless for exp gains.
*This is all per ZOS on ESO Live as well as patch notes and comments from devs about exp gains*Edited by NewBlacksmurf on April 13, 2016 9:43PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Perhaps a compromise would be to have the daedra that spawn give no XP and instead have a fixed amount of XP awarded upon looting the chest at the end of the dolmen? Then it wouldn't matter how many daedra where killed in that time or one's reason for participation. All that would matter is if you were eligible to receive the chest.
Think of it this way though: When 3+ people are at an anchor the Daedra are pretty much slaughtered upon spawning. Tough Daedra may last a few seconds but still get slaughtered. If the spawn rate were to speed up though Daedra would appear more often and be able to put up a better fight. Don't know about ya'll but that sounds like a good time to me
And if you happen to be the correct level for the area and dont have access to good crafted weapons and armor, then the faster spawn would kill you and you couldnt solo one if there was no one there to assist.
Your talking about them completely redoing something that isnt broke, just to make it better for you and not the newer player s in the area that may be new to the game/area.
IF IT AINT BROKE, DONT FIX IT!
Faster spawn rate doesn't mean raise the cap of the number of Daedra that CAN be present at any given time. It would present no more danger than already exists, especially since the increased rate would not apply for just one person.
And no it wouldn't be for just me. Plenty of the playerbase do not visit these forums to voice their opinions so no one truly knows what would please or displease them until it happens. As a result I cannot vouch for whether what I am speaking up for would be what others want too but what can it hurt? Trust me I've been to dolmens plenty enough to know how things are and this would inconvenience no one.
Are you sure about this?
Considering I visit them with my alts all the time, yes. Can you truly say the same?
Well, I think we've already identified what is vs what you thought was the case and I hoped it would help you understand better why your ideas don't fit due to the current and original intent of these events.
Do I visit these often? I visit them on my main or alts to complete and if I happen to roll by one, I jump in because I think the events are really cool. I read a lot on this game and based on those who either work for ZOS or those who are gamers as a profession who are paid by developer companies to play their games....I believe that information suggests that your thoughts about how these work aren't completely accurate.
Specific to grinding exp efforts, my entire goal is to clearly educate you and anyone who comes by that this is not a good source of exp other than the original (first completion).
Anything that you continue to do after that is on your own efforts but with more information than you came into this thread with.
Specific to any suggested changes...I've not read one from you that either identifies a problem or that is feasible because the events are working as intended and any and all bugs are resolved.
Happy grinding.
You cannot educate on opinion alone. You think it isn't good xp, I do. We both have different perspectives there so of course we won't see eye to eye. I do recognize your perspective though and am glad you have fun at dolmens. Continue to do so
The amount of exp given is not an opinion, its a fact. It is also a fact that there is much, much, better exp grinding spots out there. Not sure where you are mixing fact and opinion up, but you need to realize which is which.
Where YOU mixed up fact and opinion is this:
Fact: Dolmens give an amount of xp on par with daily quests. This is at least from the completion of the dolmen alone, and not including completing it for the first time.
Opinion: Whether or not the xp is good or bad.
Everyone has their own preferential ways to gain xp, and it usually coincides with what the character is capable of. Naturally I don't use dolmens as my ONLY xp grind but they do help, especially when I am trying to raise FG or get a title or 2. If I wish to grind any further there after that then I shall. All depends on what I wanna do.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Perhaps a compromise would be to have the daedra that spawn give no XP and instead have a fixed amount of XP awarded upon looting the chest at the end of the dolmen? Then it wouldn't matter how many daedra where killed in that time or one's reason for participation. All that would matter is if you were eligible to receive the chest.
Think of it this way though: When 3+ people are at an anchor the Daedra are pretty much slaughtered upon spawning. Tough Daedra may last a few seconds but still get slaughtered. If the spawn rate were to speed up though Daedra would appear more often and be able to put up a better fight. Don't know about ya'll but that sounds like a good time to me
And if you happen to be the correct level for the area and dont have access to good crafted weapons and armor, then the faster spawn would kill you and you couldnt solo one if there was no one there to assist.
Your talking about them completely redoing something that isnt broke, just to make it better for you and not the newer player s in the area that may be new to the game/area.
IF IT AINT BROKE, DONT FIX IT!
Faster spawn rate doesn't mean raise the cap of the number of Daedra that CAN be present at any given time. It would present no more danger than already exists, especially since the increased rate would not apply for just one person.
And no it wouldn't be for just me. Plenty of the playerbase do not visit these forums to voice their opinions so no one truly knows what would please or displease them until it happens. As a result I cannot vouch for whether what I am speaking up for would be what others want too but what can it hurt? Trust me I've been to dolmens plenty enough to know how things are and this would inconvenience no one.
Are you sure about this?
Considering I visit them with my alts all the time, yes. Can you truly say the same?
Well, I think we've already identified what is vs what you thought was the case and I hoped it would help you understand better why your ideas don't fit due to the current and original intent of these events.
Do I visit these often? I visit them on my main or alts to complete and if I happen to roll by one, I jump in because I think the events are really cool. I read a lot on this game and based on those who either work for ZOS or those who are gamers as a profession who are paid by developer companies to play their games....I believe that information suggests that your thoughts about how these work aren't completely accurate.
Specific to grinding exp efforts, my entire goal is to clearly educate you and anyone who comes by that this is not a good source of exp other than the original (first completion).
Anything that you continue to do after that is on your own efforts but with more information than you came into this thread with.
Specific to any suggested changes...I've not read one from you that either identifies a problem or that is feasible because the events are working as intended and any and all bugs are resolved.
Happy grinding.
You cannot educate on opinion alone. You think it isn't good xp, I do. We both have different perspectives there so of course we won't see eye to eye. I do recognize your perspective though and am glad you have fun at dolmens. Continue to do so
No....see thats the issue from your perspective.
I'm not arguing any points or opinions, I'm sharing facts of how the game works specifically to dolemans.
My opinions on your ideas just also happen to fall into fact because of prior ZOS information and the intent of these events.
Its not up for discussion that after the first completion of a doleman, the exp is not better than literally any other activity...
Lets go further...if you're not doing them at level, its literally pointless for exp gains.
*This is all per ZOS on ESO Live as well as patch notes and comments from devs about exp gains*
I've taken note of xp gained from dailies and xp gained from dolmens. Dolmen xp after the first completion at the very least on the destruction of the 5th pinion alone is on par with things like Wrothgar Daily Delve quest completion xp or the Thieves Guild repeatables. And trust me I take the time to do those as well but they are once a day, and only my main is thiefy enough to do TG quests.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭Oh man! This stubborn, single-minded thread is still on the first page?
Here is a solution for you to appease everyone:
Breaking the 4th pinion doesn't kill off everything, but just causes the boss to spawn.
You can still have "the thrill" of killing all the daedra you were "promised", and things keep moving to not add artificial time/restrictions on anyone.
Boom.0 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Oh man! This stubborn, single-minded thread is still on the first page?
Here is a solution for you to appease everyone:
Breaking the 4th pinion doesn't kill off everything, but just causes the boss to spawn.
You can still have "the thrill" of killing all the daedra you were "promised", and things keep moving to not add artificial time/restrictions on anyone.
Boom.
Hardy har har har.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Yinmaigao✭✭✭✭✭
✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Oh man! This stubborn, single-minded thread is still on the first page?
Here is a solution for you to appease everyone:
Breaking the 4th pinion doesn't kill off everything, but just causes the boss to spawn.
You can still have "the thrill" of killing all the daedra you were "promised", and things keep moving to not add artificial time/restrictions on anyone.
Boom.
Hardy har har har.
What's wrong with this suggestion?
It caters to everyone in the equation.
No need to laugh at it because it's not what was originally suggested.1 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Oh man! This stubborn, single-minded thread is still on the first page?
Here is a solution for you to appease everyone:
Breaking the 4th pinion doesn't kill off everything, but just causes the boss to spawn.
You can still have "the thrill" of killing all the daedra you were "promised", and things keep moving to not add artificial time/restrictions on anyone.
Boom.
Hardy har har har.
What's wrong with this suggestion?
It caters to everyone in the equation.
No need to laugh at it because it's not what was originally suggested.
Oh you were serious? Wow... Ok I will explain. One of the things I'm trying to do is make it so we can get more xp from killing the Daedra before the 4th pinion is broken, or just kill them in general. Them being removed early IS the issue at hand.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on April 13, 2016 11:36PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Yinmaigao✭✭✭✭✭
✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Oh man! This stubborn, single-minded thread is still on the first page?
Here is a solution for you to appease everyone:
Breaking the 4th pinion doesn't kill off everything, but just causes the boss to spawn.
You can still have "the thrill" of killing all the daedra you were "promised", and things keep moving to not add artificial time/restrictions on anyone.
Boom.
Hardy har har har.
What's wrong with this suggestion?
It caters to everyone in the equation.
No need to laugh at it because it's not what was originally suggested.
Oh you were serious? Wow... Ok I will explain. One of the things I'm trying to do is make it so we can get more xp from killing the Daedra before the 4th pinion is broken, or just kill them in general. Them being removed early IS the issue at hand.
If you READ what I said, I stated that instead of killing off all reaming daedra (RE: you get ALL the exp, spawns are not cut short.) The pinion JUST triggers the boss to spawn. I.E. if there are daedra still alive, you fight them AND the boss.0 -
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Oh man! This stubborn, single-minded thread is still on the first page?
Here is a solution for you to appease everyone:
Breaking the 4th pinion doesn't kill off everything, but just causes the boss to spawn.
You can still have "the thrill" of killing all the daedra you were "promised", and things keep moving to not add artificial time/restrictions on anyone.
Boom.
Hardy har har har.
What's wrong with this suggestion?
It caters to everyone in the equation.
No need to laugh at it because it's not what was originally suggested.
Oh you were serious? Wow... Ok I will explain. One of the things I'm trying to do is make it so we can get more xp from killing the Daedra before the 4th pinion is broken, or just kill them in general. Them being removed early IS the issue at hand.
If you READ what I said, I stated that instead of killing off all reaming daedra (RE: you get ALL the exp, spawns are not cut short.) The pinion JUST triggers the boss to spawn. I.E. if there are daedra still alive, you fight them AND the boss.
Ah ok my bad I misread lol but that would present a problem nonetheless as you may get more Daedra than you bargained for all at once.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Yinmaigao✭✭✭✭✭
✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Oh man! This stubborn, single-minded thread is still on the first page?
Here is a solution for you to appease everyone:
Breaking the 4th pinion doesn't kill off everything, but just causes the boss to spawn.
You can still have "the thrill" of killing all the daedra you were "promised", and things keep moving to not add artificial time/restrictions on anyone.
Boom.
Hardy har har har.
What's wrong with this suggestion?
It caters to everyone in the equation.
No need to laugh at it because it's not what was originally suggested.
Oh you were serious? Wow... Ok I will explain. One of the things I'm trying to do is make it so we can get more xp from killing the Daedra before the 4th pinion is broken, or just kill them in general. Them being removed early IS the issue at hand.
If you READ what I said, I stated that instead of killing off all reaming daedra (RE: you get ALL the exp, spawns are not cut short.) The pinion JUST triggers the boss to spawn. I.E. if there are daedra still alive, you fight them AND the boss.
Ah ok my bad I misread lol but that would present a problem nonetheless as you may get more Daedra than you bargained for all at once.
The only way that would happen is if multiple people are there doing their own thing. (I.E. you killing daedra, someone else hitting pinions). Hopefully if there are multiple people there, they can handle the couple extra trash mobs
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Oh man! This stubborn, single-minded thread is still on the first page?
Here is a solution for you to appease everyone:
Breaking the 4th pinion doesn't kill off everything, but just causes the boss to spawn.
You can still have "the thrill" of killing all the daedra you were "promised", and things keep moving to not add artificial time/restrictions on anyone.
Boom.
Hardy har har har.
What's wrong with this suggestion?
It caters to everyone in the equation.
No need to laugh at it because it's not what was originally suggested.
Oh you were serious? Wow... Ok I will explain. One of the things I'm trying to do is make it so we can get more xp from killing the Daedra before the 4th pinion is broken, or just kill them in general. Them being removed early IS the issue at hand.
If you READ what I said, I stated that instead of killing off all reaming daedra (RE: you get ALL the exp, spawns are not cut short.) The pinion JUST triggers the boss to spawn. I.E. if there are daedra still alive, you fight them AND the boss.
Ah ok my bad I misread lol but that would present a problem nonetheless as you may get more Daedra than you bargained for all at once.
The only way that would happen is if multiple people are there doing their own thing. (I.E. you killing daedra, someone else hitting pinions). Hopefully if there are multiple people there, they can handle the couple extra trash mobs
If it's a crowd they most likely can but 3 or 4 may have some trouble lolGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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I did... when I was out to take screenshots of inactive ones. I was in areas that lent themselves to good screens, which were well below my own level, so when the mobs came, I left because they were spoiling my shots.UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Besides, no one goes to a dolmen and then just leaves lol0 -
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I did... when I was out to take screenshots of inactive ones. I was in areas that lent themselves to good screens, which were well below my own level, so when the mobs came, I left because they were spoiling my shots.UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Besides, no one goes to a dolmen and then just leaves lol
Ok then let me rephrase lol: no one goes to a dolmen and then just leaves if they have a good reason to take part and if they do leave upon arrival it's because they either fear they are no match or have better things to do and were just passing by.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Arthmoor✭✭✭Also not entirely true. I've left dolmens when a group of level appropriate people show up to take it, despite still needing to spawn several generals and such. Only places those come up with any reliable regularity is low level trash dolmens for me.0
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✭✭✭Also not entirely true. I've left dolmens when a group of level appropriate people show up to take it, despite still needing to spawn several generals and such. Only places those come up with any reliable regularity is low level trash dolmens for me.
Well you could've stayed stuck around to see if the general spawned but hey your call lolGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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