NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

The second option is not workable. It would open up the problem of it potentially being scaled up by a group passing through leaving someone soloing it with a situation that is impossible to complete. It's also potentially grief prone.

I am against anything that turns an event into a farming event over a completion event. Seen it in other games and it just turns into a horrible mess.

Hate to break it to ya but all anyone uses dolmens for as is is grinding/farming. Any changes made will not produce an intent already present. Also at least many of the lowbies are alts with CPs and proper gear so the griefing bit would not be that bad an issue. I know my alts can handle multiple Daedra at once. Besides, no one goes to a dolmen and then just leaves lol

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO man tthats your goal for Dolemans.

in 3 years I've NEVER tried to grind dolemans....1 cause it makes no sense as they are too far apart and take too long. 2. because they give far less exp than anything else in the game based on time.

They are worth doing once and if someone wants to complete an achievement....sure again but other than that...its just a cool event and sometimes u get a general and loot.

That is your approach, not everyone's. Believe it or not people DO farm and grind dolmens and yes there are people like you that do it for achievements then never again but we are not the only 2 representatives of our reasons, especially since the Soul-Shriven style was released as it is the only way to gather Azure Plasm without using Mimics or buying them from others.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I think its worth using someone who knows a lot more than I do about playing this game.

http://deltiasgaming.com/2014/10/03/leveling-guide/#Grinds

Dolmens – Dolmens are a great way to earn XP quickly though their rewards are a “one-time only” type of thing. You’ll get exploration, no quest, but a huge XP tick at the end for completing it. The best part is, regardless if you’re solo or you have 50 players surrounding you, all you need to do is participate to get credit. This means one weapon attack, one heal, or something else once registered will give you credit upon completion. Though once completed e.g. the icon on the map turns white, move on. Completing these Dolmens repeatedly will only regard you Fighters Guild points or if you’re achievement hunting.

http://www.esouniverse.com/guides/levelingguides/

Dolmens are also a good way to quickly gain XP. You will receive a large amount of XP upon completion for these one-time participation events. You can get in with a group and just use a simple attack or heal and you’ll get the credit once it’s complete! Unless you want to build up Fighters Guild points, don’t bother repeating them – it’s not worth it. Again, you will want a fully optimized leveling build if you’re going to try to solo dolmens. My advice is to let other players know where to come help you and they’ll come help!


So see....unless ur doing it the first time, your suggesting are messing with the purpose of these. Its not for grinding...period!

Guides are opinions, not facts, and not everyone worships them. Thank you for acknowledging the use of grinding dolmens though.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I think its worth using someone who knows a lot more than I do about playing this game.

http://deltiasgaming.com/2014/10/03/leveling-guide/#Grinds

Dolmens – Dolmens are a great way to earn XP quickly though their rewards are a “one-time only” type of thing. You’ll get exploration, no quest, but a huge XP tick at the end for completing it. The best part is, regardless if you’re solo or you have 50 players surrounding you, all you need to do is participate to get credit. This means one weapon attack, one heal, or something else once registered will give you credit upon completion. Though once completed e.g. the icon on the map turns white, move on. Completing these Dolmens repeatedly will only regard you Fighters Guild points or if you’re achievement hunting.

http://www.esouniverse.com/guides/levelingguides/

Dolmens are also a good way to quickly gain XP. You will receive a large amount of XP upon completion for these one-time participation events. You can get in with a group and just use a simple attack or heal and you’ll get the credit once it’s complete! Unless you want to build up Fighters Guild points, don’t bother repeating them – it’s not worth it. Again, you will want a fully optimized leveling build if you’re going to try to solo dolmens. My advice is to let other players know where to come help you and they’ll come help!


So see....unless ur doing it the first time, your suggesting are messing with the purpose of these. Its not for grinding...period!

Guides are opinions, not facts, and not everyone worships them. Thank you for acknowledging the use of grinding dolmens though.

OK fine...then here is a thread by me.. on this specific topic from patch notes about the exp per ZOS....
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/170259/dark-anchor-dolemans-exp-changes-in-patch-2-08

Enodoc wrote: »

KenCleanAirSystem wrote: »

I'd guess that, just like world bosses, delves, etc. you get a nice chunk of xp the first time you complete any given dolmen (about equal to turning in a quest). Then after that, you only get xp from the mobs that you kill while closing the dolmen, but no xp for closing it ... once the icon has been turned from black to white on your map, you no longer receive the large xp award for completion.

It's exactly this. It was bugged and not giving Black-to-White completion XP, and is now fixed. Because it was a bug, it's not clear when it started being buggy, so there is no way to compensate specifically those dolmens that were completed during the bugged time. It was suggested (by me) that they could black out all dolmens as compensation, but they decided not to do that.

Here is why ppl do them now and why your idea messes with the point of these...

http://esoacademy.com/

Azure Plasm

The system for distributing the first batch of Azure Plasm for the Soul Shriven style was explained in detail. Azure Plasm is the style material needed to make Soul Shriven style gear. You can get it by destroying Dark Anchors (Dolmens). The mail system will mail some Azure Plasm with the Motif as a kind of “starter pack” based on the amount of unique Dolmens you have destroyed so far.

Hey folks! We appreciate the feedback on the system mail, and we’ll look into adjusting it. We want it to reflect that the number of Azure Plasm you receive is based on the unique Dark Anchors you’ve destroyed, not an exact 1:1 match up to Dark Anchors defeated.



To expound on the formula a little more, we look at the number of unique Dark Anchors you’ve destroyed, and base the number of Azure Plasm off of that. So if you’ve destroyed the Lagomere Dolmen five times, that counts only as a single Dark Anchor, not five. The one additional wrinkle is that we count the Dark Anchors in Cyrodiil for double – which is reflected in the actual drop rates, by the way; Dark Anchors in Cyrodiil drop more Azure Plasm than Dark Anchors elsewhere.



Finally, the mail is sent to a character, not an account. So if you’ve had multiple characters beat Caldwell’s Silver, then each character who’s done so will receive a mail when you log in with them. Each mail will have Azure Plasm based on that character’s record of destroying Dark Anchors.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

The second option is not workable. It would open up the problem of it potentially being scaled up by a group passing through leaving someone soloing it with a situation that is impossible to complete. It's also potentially grief prone.

I am against anything that turns an event into a farming event over a completion event. Seen it in other games and it just turns into a horrible mess.

Hate to break it to ya but all anyone uses dolmens for as is is grinding/farming.

Hate to break it to ya, but this is a flat out lie.

People do dolmens because they are fun to do. No one grinds dolmens except you. I've played since beta and you're the only one thinks grinding dolmens is a fast way to get XP or is it because you got chased out of the good spots?

NewBlacksmurf is spot on. Once you do the dolmen once, your XP return on repeat is so far below everything else, it doesn't even make a blip on the XP per hour chart. If you're trying to grind XP and levels with dolmens....you're doing it so wrong, its just laughable.....lol

Beginning to think this thread isnt serious.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

The second option is not workable. It would open up the problem of it potentially being scaled up by a group passing through leaving someone soloing it with a situation that is impossible to complete. It's also potentially grief prone.

I am against anything that turns an event into a farming event over a completion event. Seen it in other games and it just turns into a horrible mess.

Hate to break it to ya but all anyone uses dolmens for as is is grinding/farming. Any changes made will not produce an intent already present. Also at least many of the lowbies are alts with CPs and proper gear so the griefing bit would not be that bad an issue. I know my alts can handle multiple Daedra at once. Besides, no one goes to a dolmen and then just leaves lol

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO man tthats your goal for Dolemans.

in 3 years I've NEVER tried to grind dolemans....1 cause it makes no sense as they are too far apart and take too long. 2. because they give far less exp than anything else in the game based on time.

They are worth doing once and if someone wants to complete an achievement....sure again but other than that...its just a cool event and sometimes u get a general and loot.

That is your approach, not everyone's. Believe it or not people DO farm and grind dolmens and yes there are people like you that do it for achievements then never again but we are not the only 2 representatives of our reasons, especially since the Soul-Shriven style was released as it is the only way to gather Azure Plasm without using Mimics or buying them from others.

Ok so now the truth comes out. You are farming for Azure plasm. Azure plasm has a chance to drop regardless of the number of deadra killed. You just need to complete it and get the chest. So again, dolmens are fine as is because as is, your final goa, the chest happens as long as the dolmen is completed and you're the appropriate level to get rewarded.
/thread

FYI azure plasm also has a chance to drop from the mini daedra events that spawn randomly so be sure to kill those too.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

The second option is not workable. It would open up the problem of it potentially being scaled up by a group passing through leaving someone soloing it with a situation that is impossible to complete. It's also potentially grief prone.

I am against anything that turns an event into a farming event over a completion event. Seen it in other games and it just turns into a horrible mess.

Hate to break it to ya but all anyone uses dolmens for as is is grinding/farming. Any changes made will not produce an intent already present. Also at least many of the lowbies are alts with CPs and proper gear so the griefing bit would not be that bad an issue. I know my alts can handle multiple Daedra at once. Besides, no one goes to a dolmen and then just leaves lol

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO man tthats your goal for Dolemans.

in 3 years I've NEVER tried to grind dolemans....1 cause it makes no sense as they are too far apart and take too long. 2. because they give far less exp than anything else in the game based on time.

They are worth doing once and if someone wants to complete an achievement....sure again but other than that...its just a cool event and sometimes u get a general and loot.

That is your approach, not everyone's. Believe it or not people DO farm and grind dolmens and yes there are people like you that do it for achievements then never again but we are not the only 2 representatives of our reasons, especially since the Soul-Shriven style was released as it is the only way to gather Azure Plasm without using Mimics or buying them from others.

Ok so now the truth comes out. You are farming for Azure plasm. Azure plasm has a chance to drop regardless of the number of deadra killed. You just need to complete it and get the chest. So again, dolmens are fine as is because as is, your final goa, the chest happens as long as the dolmen is completed and you're the appropriate level to get rewarded.
/thread

FYI azure plasm also has a chance to drop from the mini daedra events that spawn randomly so be sure to kill those too.

I don't actually farm Azure Plasm, that just comes along with the grind. If I do intend to farm it though I can take my main to a VR Dolmen and I would also have no issues whatsoever with Dolmen methodology. Furthermore my problem with dolmens dates back long before Azure Plasm existed so there goes that theory

I'll keep my eyes open for Azure Plasm from those random Daedra events though as I was not aware that was a thing and would be good 2 verify.

I've gotten at least 1 from the random mini events. I still say you can get XP a lot faster elsewhere but if you want to do things the hard, slow way, have fun. I still disagree with and dislike your idea.

Dolmens are pretty awesome as is..........just leave em alone!

Perhaps a compromise would be to have the daedra that spawn give no XP and instead have a fixed amount of XP awarded upon looting the chest at the end of the dolmen? Then it wouldn't matter how many daedra where killed in that time or one's reason for participation. All that would matter is if you were eligible to receive the chest.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Fruitmass wrote: »

Perhaps a compromise would be to have the daedra that spawn give no XP and instead have a fixed amount of XP awarded upon looting the chest at the end of the dolmen? Then it wouldn't matter how many daedra where killed in that time or one's reason for participation. All that would matter is if you were eligible to receive the chest.

Think of it this way though: When 3+ people are at an anchor the Daedra are pretty much slaughtered upon spawning. Tough Daedra may last a few seconds but still get slaughtered. If the spawn rate were to speed up though Daedra would appear more often and be able to put up a better fight. Don't know about ya'll but that sounds like a good time to me

And if you happen to be the correct level for the area and dont have access to good crafted weapons and armor, then the faster spawn would kill you and you couldnt solo one if there was no one there to assist.

Your talking about them completely redoing something that isnt broke, just to make it better for you and not the newer player s in the area that may be new to the game/area.

IF IT AINT BROKE, DONT FIX IT!

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Fruitmass wrote: »

Perhaps a compromise would be to have the daedra that spawn give no XP and instead have a fixed amount of XP awarded upon looting the chest at the end of the dolmen? Then it wouldn't matter how many daedra where killed in that time or one's reason for participation. All that would matter is if you were eligible to receive the chest.

Think of it this way though: When 3+ people are at an anchor the Daedra are pretty much slaughtered upon spawning. Tough Daedra may last a few seconds but still get slaughtered. If the spawn rate were to speed up though Daedra would appear more often and be able to put up a better fight. Don't know about ya'll but that sounds like a good time to me

And if you happen to be the correct level for the area and dont have access to good crafted weapons and armor, then the faster spawn would kill you and you couldnt solo one if there was no one there to assist.

Your talking about them completely redoing something that isnt broke, just to make it better for you and not the newer player s in the area that may be new to the game/area.

IF IT AINT BROKE, DONT FIX IT!

Faster spawn rate doesn't mean raise the cap of the number of Daedra that CAN be present at any given time. It would present no more danger than already exists, especially since the increased rate would not apply for just one person.

And no it wouldn't be for just me. Plenty of the playerbase do not visit these forums to voice their opinions so no one truly knows what would please or displease them until it happens. As a result I cannot vouch for whether what I am speaking up for would be what others want too but what can it hurt? Trust me I've been to dolmens plenty enough to know how things are and this would inconvenience no one.

Are you sure about this?

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Fruitmass wrote: »

Perhaps a compromise would be to have the daedra that spawn give no XP and instead have a fixed amount of XP awarded upon looting the chest at the end of the dolmen? Then it wouldn't matter how many daedra where killed in that time or one's reason for participation. All that would matter is if you were eligible to receive the chest.

Think of it this way though: When 3+ people are at an anchor the Daedra are pretty much slaughtered upon spawning. Tough Daedra may last a few seconds but still get slaughtered. If the spawn rate were to speed up though Daedra would appear more often and be able to put up a better fight. Don't know about ya'll but that sounds like a good time to me

And if you happen to be the correct level for the area and dont have access to good crafted weapons and armor, then the faster spawn would kill you and you couldnt solo one if there was no one there to assist.

Your talking about them completely redoing something that isnt broke, just to make it better for you and not the newer player s in the area that may be new to the game/area.

IF IT AINT BROKE, DONT FIX IT!

Faster spawn rate doesn't mean raise the cap of the number of Daedra that CAN be present at any given time. It would present no more danger than already exists, especially since the increased rate would not apply for just one person.

And no it wouldn't be for just me. Plenty of the playerbase do not visit these forums to voice their opinions so no one truly knows what would please or displease them until it happens. As a result I cannot vouch for whether what I am speaking up for would be what others want too but what can it hurt? Trust me I've been to dolmens plenty enough to know how things are and this would inconvenience no one.

Well, all i can say is you are the only one hear talking about farming them and i have never, since release, seen anyone else farming them.So thats what i and everyone else in this thread is going by.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Fruitmass wrote: »

Perhaps a compromise would be to have the daedra that spawn give no XP and instead have a fixed amount of XP awarded upon looting the chest at the end of the dolmen? Then it wouldn't matter how many daedra where killed in that time or one's reason for participation. All that would matter is if you were eligible to receive the chest.

Think of it this way though: When 3+ people are at an anchor the Daedra are pretty much slaughtered upon spawning. Tough Daedra may last a few seconds but still get slaughtered. If the spawn rate were to speed up though Daedra would appear more often and be able to put up a better fight. Don't know about ya'll but that sounds like a good time to me

And if you happen to be the correct level for the area and dont have access to good crafted weapons and armor, then the faster spawn would kill you and you couldnt solo one if there was no one there to assist.

Your talking about them completely redoing something that isnt broke, just to make it better for you and not the newer player s in the area that may be new to the game/area.

IF IT AINT BROKE, DONT FIX IT!

Faster spawn rate doesn't mean raise the cap of the number of Daedra that CAN be present at any given time. It would present no more danger than already exists, especially since the increased rate would not apply for just one person.

And no it wouldn't be for just me. Plenty of the playerbase do not visit these forums to voice their opinions so no one truly knows what would please or displease them until it happens. As a result I cannot vouch for whether what I am speaking up for would be what others want too but what can it hurt? Trust me I've been to dolmens plenty enough to know how things are and this would inconvenience no one.

Are you sure about this?

Considering I visit them with my alts all the time, yes. Can you truly say the same?

MatioFrench wrote: »

I'm really struggling to figure out what the OP's end goal really is. You want to kill all the daedra at the dolmens for the additional experience, yet you know that you can gain experience in much faster ways in several other avenues of the game. You want to kill all the daedra at dolmens so you can get Fighter's Guild experience, yet you must know there are much faster ways to increase your Fighter's Guild standing once you have beaten a dolmen once. I really struggle with the point of this entire post and topic.

It's all about how you spend your time playing. People do things their own ways and as far as I can tell dolmen xp is good. Yes there are other sources of good xp but that doesn't mean dolmens are not one of them.

Ritzey01 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Fruitmass wrote: »

Perhaps a compromise would be to have the daedra that spawn give no XP and instead have a fixed amount of XP awarded upon looting the chest at the end of the dolmen? Then it wouldn't matter how many daedra where killed in that time or one's reason for participation. All that would matter is if you were eligible to receive the chest.

Think of it this way though: When 3+ people are at an anchor the Daedra are pretty much slaughtered upon spawning. Tough Daedra may last a few seconds but still get slaughtered. If the spawn rate were to speed up though Daedra would appear more often and be able to put up a better fight. Don't know about ya'll but that sounds like a good time to me

And if you happen to be the correct level for the area and dont have access to good crafted weapons and armor, then the faster spawn would kill you and you couldnt solo one if there was no one there to assist.

Your talking about them completely redoing something that isnt broke, just to make it better for you and not the newer player s in the area that may be new to the game/area.

IF IT AINT BROKE, DONT FIX IT!

Faster spawn rate doesn't mean raise the cap of the number of Daedra that CAN be present at any given time. It would present no more danger than already exists, especially since the increased rate would not apply for just one person.

And no it wouldn't be for just me. Plenty of the playerbase do not visit these forums to voice their opinions so no one truly knows what would please or displease them until it happens. As a result I cannot vouch for whether what I am speaking up for would be what others want too but what can it hurt? Trust me I've been to dolmens plenty enough to know how things are and this would inconvenience no one.

Well, all i can say is you are the only one hear talking about farming them and i have never, since release, seen anyone else farming them.So thats what i and everyone else in this thread is going by.

You go by a generalization that dolmens are useless after you get all the achievements, which is not entirely true. It's all in the eyes of the beholder and as I stated before only a handful of the entire playerbase actually come to these forums.

Joe, if you truly think dolmens give good XP, then why suggest a change. You seem to like them and benefit from doing them even when all the daedra don't spawn in. You're suggesting a change that would affect the entire ESO community. I just don't get it, I guess. Sorry

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Fruitmass wrote: »

Perhaps a compromise would be to have the daedra that spawn give no XP and instead have a fixed amount of XP awarded upon looting the chest at the end of the dolmen? Then it wouldn't matter how many daedra where killed in that time or one's reason for participation. All that would matter is if you were eligible to receive the chest.

Think of it this way though: When 3+ people are at an anchor the Daedra are pretty much slaughtered upon spawning. Tough Daedra may last a few seconds but still get slaughtered. If the spawn rate were to speed up though Daedra would appear more often and be able to put up a better fight. Don't know about ya'll but that sounds like a good time to me

And if you happen to be the correct level for the area and dont have access to good crafted weapons and armor, then the faster spawn would kill you and you couldnt solo one if there was no one there to assist.

Your talking about them completely redoing something that isnt broke, just to make it better for you and not the newer player s in the area that may be new to the game/area.

IF IT AINT BROKE, DONT FIX IT!

Faster spawn rate doesn't mean raise the cap of the number of Daedra that CAN be present at any given time. It would present no more danger than already exists, especially since the increased rate would not apply for just one person.

And no it wouldn't be for just me. Plenty of the playerbase do not visit these forums to voice their opinions so no one truly knows what would please or displease them until it happens. As a result I cannot vouch for whether what I am speaking up for would be what others want too but what can it hurt? Trust me I've been to dolmens plenty enough to know how things are and this would inconvenience no one.

Are you sure about this?

Considering I visit them with my alts all the time, yes. Can you truly say the same?

Well, I think we've already identified what is vs what you thought was the case and I hoped it would help you understand better why your ideas don't fit due to the current and original intent of these events.

Do I visit these often? I visit them on my main or alts to complete and if I happen to roll by one, I jump in because I think the events are really cool. I read a lot on this game and based on those who either work for ZOS or those who are gamers as a profession who are paid by developer companies to play their games....I believe that information suggests that your thoughts about how these work aren't completely accurate.

Specific to grinding exp efforts, my entire goal is to clearly educate you and anyone who comes by that this is not a good source of exp other than the original (first completion).

Anything that you continue to do after that is on your own efforts but with more information than you came into this thread with.

Specific to any suggested changes...I've not read one from you that either identifies a problem or that is feasible because the events are working as intended and any and all bugs are resolved.

Happy grinding.