My PvP Guild has thrown in the towel (Not a rage post, more a lament and a plea to ZOS)

JDar · April 2016

PenguinInACan wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

There are still plenty of guilds out there for AD. You can join Fantasia, run with Fat Grim Reaper, or ask Telel about Children of Hircine.

I don't think the running theme of this post is to say AD doesn't have any guilds still running. There will always be guilds running in PvP. The major point a lot of people are trying to make is that the people that have been playing since launch that stuck through the horrible season 1 bugs (caltrops etc), the introduction of CP to combat softcaps, and the horrible sets added to force metas, have been all forced away.

I was lucky enough to be a major part in a guild that has played together from the beginning through all the bugs and "fixes". It's just sad that most of us are moving on while all of these new players have to discover how bad PvP can be.

I disagree. I think the running theme of this thread is that the sky is falling, when in fact there is still a vibrant, robust community of players still playing this game.

I have always said, there is no such thing as a bad party. A party is what you make of it. People are coming to ESO and saying it is a bad party because of their own personal hang-ups. I still think it is the best MMO out there, and that ZoS is doing a decent job of running the game.

It's a fantastic MMO, but its all a matter of perspective.

The lot of us that still read/post on the forums are all grumpy and angry at the lag and balance and poor performance issues that have plagued us since the light hit the dumb patches.

The problem I've noticed is that the robust community of players are either on consoles, or are new enough to PvP to not see the blatant performance issues that multiple teams of devs have told us are going to be fixed since launch. Eventually those players will either get bored with PvP, or become whatever the next FOTM ball group is. Either way, what we played 2 years ago that made us all so excited for this game isn't really there anymore, and that is really sad, because I had the most fun I have had in an MMO in a long time when ESO launched. Now, its just not there for me. But again, perspective. I'm sure ZOS is still making decent money and who knows, maybe in another year or so it might be back to the magical lag-free, large scale PvP game we all loved when it launched.

I know. As soon as a better game comes along I will be there. I just don't see one yet.

zyk · April 2016

That's the thing, Jdar. Many feel Cyrodiil is so broken, we've stopped playing a game we loved in the absence of a suitable replacement.

Skinzz · April 2016

Half my guild left already and some of the players i usually play with are already gone.

MoeCoastie · April 2016

guilds will leave, guilds will come. Different names, same roles. Hey, you played a game for 2+ years. That has to hold some value. Sad to see you go. Glad to see new guilds popping up every day. Rolled with a crew today...all new people to pvp. All having a blast on TS. That was you 2 years ago! Maybe one day they can look back and say that this type of AvA was the best pvp experience they have ever experienced too!

Ahhh...the Ebb and Flows of RvR. How funny history repeats itself

Next man up!

Rylana · April 2016

MoeCoastie wrote: »

guilds will leave, guilds will come. Different names, same roles. Hey, you played a game for 2+ years. That has to hold some value. Sad to see you go. Glad to see new guilds popping up every day. Rolled with a crew today...all new people to pvp. All having a blast on TS. That was you 2 years ago! Maybe one day they can look back and say that this type of AvA was the best pvp experience they have ever experienced too!

Ahhh...the Ebb and Flows of RvR. How funny history repeats itself

Next man up!

Except it goes deeper than just and ebb and flow cycle. We are losing experienced players on all sides, EP is no better off. We have gone from having 3-4 strong solid raid level guilds in all three factions to a barest handful.

Just because you see a lot of bodies doesnt mean they are accomplishing anything. Hell the AD blob on trueflame mostly just charges to sej and gets farmed by whoever is in there, hours upon hours at a time.

The movers and shakers are dying out, and whats left are the mindless zergs with no direction, because leaders and experienced players are quitting left and right. I have watched four EP guilds completely disintegrate in the last 3 months, many of their players nowhere to be seen, moving to other games, giving up entirely. The handful that remain behind are mostly in the trueflame emp group or scattered through other various small guilds that really dont play much at all.

Even Darkest Requiem, one of the newer upstarts I helped form, is lacking experienced players, and we formed out of the collapse of three different guilds. Its really sad that a guild with this thin of an experience pool (we only have about 10-12 truly experienced/proven members, a handful of those date back to dawnbreaker, the rest are very green, mostly started within the last year) is one of the biggest movers and shakers in EP on Had, Azuras, and when we go to True we often accomplish a lot as well. Its telling that there just isnt anyone else out there doing things.

AD seems to be even worse off, I dont even recognize any guilds besides Telels out there, the rest are just mishmashes of whats left from the AD exodus last May.

Lexxypwns · April 2016

Satiar wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

It does speak volumes to the state of PvP right now. I have even contemplated turning into a PvE player and trying to go down that route in order to keep playing the game... since PvP just isn't working right now.

I still have some faith in ZoS that they will see that making some more diversity in the game, build-set-gear-spell wise, will only make the game better. But my PvP guild is also plagued with some players taking a break.

Broken game is broken, we're all just waiting on something better to come out. I just wish CU would hit consoles

Console baddie.

fotm magblade zergling

at least I've still got people to fight on console

kewl · April 2016

zyk wrote: »

I bet @ZOS_MattFiror would personally be putting out that fire. It just goes to show ZOS abandoned our audience long before we abandoned them.

I think most PC consumers would agree with this statement. It's clear the director's objectives don't match the customer's expectations. Just look at all the simple quality of life issues that have gone ignored in favor of crown store products.

And don't give me that crap about how separate teams develop different content. ZOS has a budget and employees have limited for time for tasks. If the crown shop didn't exist, labor and money would be going into making the game better.

anitajoneb17_ESO · April 2016

kewl wrote: »

If the crown shop didn't exist, labor and money would be going into making the game better.

What money ?

If the crown shop didn't exist there would be no money to even spend on improvement.
Besides, solving the current issues of the game (performance) does not necessarily depend on money. You can search for solutions, but sometimes you cannot simply buy them.
And finally, stop thinking that YOUR expectations from the game is the "customers' expectations". My only issue with the game at the moment is performance. Rest is awesome.

Vangy · April 2016

Rylana wrote: »

MoeCoastie wrote: »

guilds will leave, guilds will come. Different names, same roles. Hey, you played a game for 2+ years. That has to hold some value. Sad to see you go. Glad to see new guilds popping up every day. Rolled with a crew today...all new people to pvp. All having a blast on TS. That was you 2 years ago! Maybe one day they can look back and say that this type of AvA was the best pvp experience they have ever experienced too!

Ahhh...the Ebb and Flows of RvR. How funny history repeats itself

Next man up!

Except it goes deeper than just and ebb and flow cycle. We are losing experienced players on all sides, EP is no better off. We have gone from having 3-4 strong solid raid level guilds in all three factions to a barest handful.

Just because you see a lot of bodies doesnt mean they are accomplishing anything. Hell the AD blob on trueflame mostly just charges to sej and gets farmed by whoever is in there, hours upon hours at a time.

The movers and shakers are dying out, and whats left are the mindless zergs with no direction, because leaders and experienced players are quitting left and right. I have watched four EP guilds completely disintegrate in the last 3 months, many of their players nowhere to be seen, moving to other games, giving up entirely. The handful that remain behind are mostly in the trueflame emp group or scattered through other various small guilds that really dont play much at all.

Even Darkest Requiem, one of the newer upstarts I helped form, is lacking experienced players, and we formed out of the collapse of three different guilds. Its really sad that a guild with this thin of an experience pool (we only have about 10-12 truly experienced/proven members, a handful of those date back to dawnbreaker, the rest are very green, mostly started within the last year) is one of the biggest movers and shakers in EP on Had, Azuras, and when we go to True we often accomplish a lot as well. Its telling that there just isnt anyone else out there doing things.

AD seems to be even worse off, I dont even recognize any guilds besides Telels out there, the rest are just mishmashes of whats left from the AD exodus last May.

Hear Hear.

Most exp AD PvP'ers gone too. Lost 2 of my PvP guilds due to inactivity for the AD side. Now getting tired of calling out for AD pugs to stop bum rushing sej. It dosent work. Sej to AD is like skooma to khajiit. EP & DC could be banging on Ayrenns door but if the path to sej is clear, you know AD going to rush it. Lately ive been finding myself weirdly rushing to sej too. Eventually I too will become one with the zerg X.X

VincentBlanquin · April 2016

kewl wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

I bet @ZOS_MattFiror would personally be putting out that fire. It just goes to show ZOS abandoned our audience long before we abandoned them.

I think most PC consumers would agree with this statement. It's clear the director's objectives don't match the customer's expectations. Just look at all the simple quality of life issues that have gone ignored in favor of crown store products.

And don't give me that crap about how separate teams develop different content. ZOS has a budget and employees have limited for time for tasks. If the crown shop didn't exist, labor and money would be going into making the game better.

how can you know that. i thought that ZOS already showed that even if they have all the money in the world, game will not be better, because its staff problem and not money problem. Especially man, who has his daughters name Proximity and sons Vicious

Sallington · April 2016

The only surprising thing is that it's taken PvP guilds this long to "disband", considering how long these same issues have been going on. I think TG was the last straw for a lot of people, myself included. I've hopped into Cyrodil maybe 5 times since TG launched, and I just can't handle the lag and lack of audio for more than an hour.

Unless there's a GIANT change with the DB DLC, especially with CU being in beta, I assume many more people will be leaving.

ZOS won't really care though. The single-player RPG whales will still be buying $40 NPCs and they'll keep making money on their half-assed $20 DLCs.

Derra · April 2016

I find myself logging staring at my screen a few minutes with no idea what to do bc the game is still in this unplayable state in the evenings (a problem causing most of my guild to leave back in 2014).

*Shrug*

I just care less and less i guess.

failkiwib16_ESO · April 2016

Guilds in both pve an pvp have to recruit new blood, otherwise the guild will eventually die over time. I thought recruitment was a clear common knowledge to guildmasters O.o

Pvp issues are whole nother matter, and I can't seem to get why ZOS is not doing anything to change how the game runs there. The game is close to unplayable yet alone enjoyable in pvp during prime time sometimes...

There have been countless suggestions to how they could ease the load off of the servers, however ZOS doesn't seem to want to do anything about it. It's a shame really...

I am a pve player, but I do enjoy pvp sometimes, and the 3-4 hours a month I dedicate to pvp, I encounter all the performance poop and often just /stuck and go back to pve.

Akinos · April 2016

Derra wrote: »

I find myself logging staring at my screen a few minutes with no idea what to do bc the game is still in this unplayable state in the evenings (a problem causing most of my guild to leave back in 2014).

*Shrug*

I just care less and less i guess.

Yeah same here, most of my guild and and some friends from early on all quit in the first 6 months...However I am now back with most of them in BDO~:)

DrummondWarrior · April 2016

Throw my two pennies in here:
Funny thing is that I tend to overlook a lot of the negative side of things until I start reading these forums... pretty easy to start getting the pitchforks and ropes out for a lynch mobbing when everybody starts bringing their concerns to the table lol.
Guilds do come and go like the waves in the sea... but guilds that have been around for over a year... those are the guilds to pay attention to... if they are leaving...then they are not leaving on a whim or a new game coming out....

That said however, lag is an issue that Zenimax will have to continue to fix... I do understand that when coding or messing with the server... fixing one thing can cause something else to break and then its whack ah mole... so Ill give that to them... what I do expect though is that at every update improvement is made to the lag... even if it is a little I still expect something... Thieves guild update for Xbox seemed to be a little better with lag and disconnects, so all I am saying is a little tiny progress is better than no progress period.

And I have to agree that their focus seems to be on PvE... sadly I have realized that PvE players tend to spend more money on mounts, content ect... all the crown stuff is geared towards them... So that kinda sucks..

If someone sees this from Zenimax, then I would have two requests...
-Of course working on the lag (maybe make Imperial City it's own campaign)?
-A PvP DLC... there has been a lot of talk over new things in Cyrodill but very few have turned into reality... Siege towers, sappers of some sort... (to be honest, the April fools traps in the ground sounded pretty cool, could have epic ambushes with those things) towns and areas counting towards points and so on.
It may seem that PvP has been built and there isnt much more you can add on to it but I strongly disagree... there is so much more content that can be released for PvP so if nothing else.... Please continue to devote resources to further expanding and developing PvP.

Minno · April 2016

Should we get all players that left to organize into a multi-game guild? Seems melancholy to let good players and guilds move in diaspora.

svartorn · April 2016

rip

booksmcread · April 2016

Sad to see you guys taking a break, though completely understand. My own interest in this game has been has been waning as of late. You were always a good group to fight and I enjoyed our engagements.

EsoRecon · April 2016

it only takes 1 change to fix pvp... Arenas

PrinceFabious · April 2016

EsoRecon wrote: »

it only takes 1 change to fix pvp... Arenas

People need to stop with Arenas. If there are enough then AvA would die. This is Elder Scrolls

RoamingRiverElk · April 2016

Yes... The thing is, people love this game. They want to play it. But the lag, and the changes to the mechanics that favor zerging and nerf the ability of single persons to do well against less skilled players are why people are leaving. They don't want to. But that's what has happened, and is happening currently.

Remove AOE caps.
Restore dynamic ultimate generation.
Restore softcaps.
Undo the nerfs to blocking, roll dodging, bolt escape.

Elong · April 2016

Akinos wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I find myself logging staring at my screen a few minutes with no idea what to do bc the game is still in this unplayable state in the evenings (a problem causing most of my guild to leave back in 2014).

*Shrug*

I just care less and less i guess.

Yeah same here, most of my guild and and some friends from early on all quit in the first 6 months...However I am now back with most of them in BDO~:)

mchermie · April 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

We're talking about players who have spent A LOT of time in the game and finally take a break because they have kinda "consumed" everything the game has to offer, for now.

Incorrect. When people quit pvp its almost only because of lag and new patches that is ruining the gameplay. I havent "consumed" everything this game has to offer, but I really dont enjoy the game as much anymore because of the reasons I just stated. People dont quit because of the lack of content

_Chaos · April 2016

It seems the younger player generations of ESO don't understand the issues at hand here, and just assume this is the normal product life cycle of an MMO. While it does hold truth that players and guilds will come and go, it's their reasons for leaving that should be addressed. It isn't due to lack of content or getting bored of the game, it's the sheer number of bugs and high latency. These issues are not the status quo for people leaving MMO's and shouldn't be addressed as such.

Anazasi · April 2016

I have lots of perspective on this issue as I have been playing or at least around since beta. I have played with some of the best groups and sadly have had to deal with some of the worst players. All of this, everything that has been said here is the realization of the MMO CYCLE. New players will always be part of this game. Old players will always take breaks or leave for some other "better game". Those that stay will be regarded as either great players, or terrible players. Drama will always dominate guilds and factions until a cohesive group emerges that is able to withstand the changing dynamic of MMO environments.
This game is young still it is just starting to go through puberty and frankly there are a lot of excess hormones floating around. I tend to solo play not because I can not lead but because of the nature of the current players. Eventually, I will either start a new guild or resurrect HK probably start a new guild when the time is right. In either case, I'm just waiting to see what shakes out of bushes this spring.

Sallington · April 2016

People calling this a case of being burnt out is laughable. These aren't people who have been doing some mindless dungeon grinding for 2 years and need a break. These are people who are fed up with the lack of focus on the most neglected (by FAR) aspect of the game, which just so happens to have been the biggest selling point at launch.

Ghostbane · April 2016

Anazasi wrote: »

Eventually, I will either start a new guild or resurrect HK probably start a new guild when the time is right. In either case, I'm just waiting to see what shakes out of bushes this spring.

Better sooner than later, hop to it.

V3ntoux · April 2016

Anazasi wrote: »

This game is young still it is just starting to go through puberty and frankly there are a lot of excess hormones floating around. I tend to solo play not because I can not lead but because of the nature of the current players. Eventually, I will either start a new guild or resurrect HK probably start a new guild when the time is right. In either case, I'm just waiting to see what shakes out of bushes this spring.

We can only hope Taran, waiting patiently...
There's still many veteran AD players that still play every day & enjoy the game - despite all the performance issues. Small groups of 2-5 can only accomplish so much. And it seems many of the newer PVP players are more comfortable riding a big zerg? As, this is evident by ALL factions. Bringing a group of 16+ to re-take a single resource that 2 of us just took looking for a fight - just gets laughable. But, hey - we still get some kills.

V3ntoux · April 2016

Ghostbane wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

Eventually, I will either start a new guild or resurrect HK probably start a new guild when the time is right. In either case, I'm just waiting to see what shakes out of bushes this spring.

Better sooner than later, hop to it.

See ^ as I was typing...

Vexzarium · April 2016

The cake forced me to hang around a bit longer... and now that I've created and grinded a toon for each faction... I'm not sure the cake wasn't actually a lie after all... Like an amazing burger that is a bit too small... it forces you to enjoy it, but leaves you longing for more. This is ESO. I feel that I grinded these toons, and fell for the cakes lies, only to find no satisfaction from PVP no matter what faction I toy around on. We'll have to see I suppose.

Most of the time if I run into players that I know and respect, I wont even mess with them... they're trying to enjoy what little is left. I actually feel bad when I grief or kill a player that I know and respect... poor *** is just as miserable with ESO as me and I'm killing him... like killing a brother in dismay. That is sad... feeling bad for PvPing due to the condition of PvP...

P.S. WTB: L2P Volume 3: Sorc.