Without overload it would be 15-17k dps, with overload over 20k dps. The dps with no overload is dependant on crits and frag procs so it can vary a lot. My fire staff heavy attacks crit for 20k and my frags crits for about 23k so when I get lucky it can be good, but I can also get as low as 13k dps if I get unlucky, which is a baseline heavy attack crushing shock weave with no frag procs or crits. Which is why sorcs need overload. With destro staff equipped overload crits for 28k, with dual wield it's about 35k I think.

Edit: this was before the TG patch, I haven't done any pve since the cp changes, I imagine my dps might have improved.

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

This is your per second numbers?

Not sure if you're talking to me or in general. In my post I put 'dps' after per second numbers, the rest are best-case one-off crit numbers. This thread is about damage per second but I included crits for perspective; a sorcs rotation with no overload is heavy attack crushing shock until frags procs, with maybe some liquid lightening if the boss stays still or velocious curse. My point was they they don't got great sustained dps cos they rely on rng, unless they use overload.

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

This is your per second numbers?

What?

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

This is your per second numbers?

DPS = damage per second ?

For me hitting hard on my DPS isn't hard. I have a bit of a time with sustain, though.

The right Healer can make all the difference.

Shogunami wrote: »

Sure, 25k+ dps is awesome, but the game isn't balanced around 25k+ dps.

It depends on the content.

Vet Spindle isn't balanced around 25K+ DPS.

Vet MoL, however, definitely is. Many groups attempting vMoL wipe on the first boss because they lose that fight's DPS race and can't kill the boss before his pillar mechanic "enrages" and wipes everyone. @ZOS_Finn has stated on ESO Live that they balanced the new trial around the kind of DPS that top players are able to pull.

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

If normal means like in random pledges (no spell power pots, no ele drain, no buffs from other players) 15-20k depending on the boss and which char I use.

I meant as in whatever you usually play as. If you normally run with warhorn and SPC, then that's that, and if you don't, then, again, that's that.
Not sure why spell power pots would be excluded from "random pledges", though. They're not hard to come by. I always use them in whatever dungeon I'm running.

The Uninvited wrote: »

Shogunami wrote: »

The whole DPS race is kind of ruining this game tbh. Sure, if you do 5k dps as a DD in a veteran dungeon you aren't of much use to your group. But the elitists are bringing this game down. Sure, 25k+ dps is awesome, but the game isn't balanced around 25k+ dps.

That's not the fault of the players, that's the developers. And for veteran MoL or Maelstrom Arena, you will need/want that dps so at least there are some parts of the game balanced around 25k+ dps.

I enjoy competing and improving on my DPS with my mates, but more so by improving my skills and ability to play rather than by simply going for a must have I-WIN-BUTTON.
Maybe it's a fault of the developers for not adequately balancing the skills, but for me my DPS and usefullness have improved by simply honing my own skills and learning my character.

And the same goes for the ones that follow the meta. Do you really think we only use one button to get those dps numbers? It's skill rotation and 1 screw up in the rotation and dps numbers drop down quickly. In a group it's also buffs or debuffs from healer and tank that help achieve those numbers.

I know this is not a popular opinion but I think the whole concept of meta builds is ***. And I know, people say they want to be best, min max and be the most opimal bla bla. But FACT is that meta builds offer overpowered/unbalanced performance with less effort - meaning that people who only play meta builds by definition only want to play overpowered builds.

Don't get me wrong, this is fine. There has always been cookie cutter builds and flavor of the months in more or less all MMOs. But don't go about flexing your über dps muscles when you as a player has less to do with your DPS than your build.

This is where you are wrong, if people don't know their build and rotation they can use a cookie cutter build all they want and won't get a dps above 10-15k.

But maybe I'm just more focused on enjoying my character than dps seeing as I've more or less only changed two abilities on my build in the last year.

Maybe it means my build was proto-meta, huehue.

I like you.

Yah so average I get 30k on a lengthy fight but that will be improved once I finish farming my gear

and just for the LOLS ill give you my spike dps because thats my favorite part

for AOE I have had spikes as high as half a million AOE dps (513k exactly)

for Single Target I have had spikes up to 74k

Obviously these numbers drop and only spike that high because of my skillful burst timing

Acsvf wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

If normal means like in random pledges (no spell power pots, no ele drain, no buffs from other players) 15-20k depending on the boss and which char I use.

I meant as in whatever you usually play as. If you normally run with warhorn and SPC, then that's that, and if you don't, then, again, that's that.
Not sure why spell power pots would be excluded from "random pledges", though. They're not hard to come by. I always use them in whatever dungeon I'm running.

Well, I do both, pug runs with 15k and guild runs where I get 25k+.
And I don't like farming flowers, so I only use crafted potions when they are needed (weeklies, vMoL, PvP)

Acsvf wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

and just for the LOLS ill give you my spike dps because thats my favorite part

for AOE I have had spikes as high as half a million AOE dps (513k exactly)

for Single Target I have had spikes up to 74k

Obviously these numbers drop and only spike that high because of my skillful burst timing

Do you have a screenshot or anything? That sounds pretty high, even for spike damage- I'd like to see.

74k single target spike is easy if you open with a wrecking blow from stealth.

At VR8 as Mage DK I'm only pulling 10-12k dps single target. Number slowly increases as my level and armour does. Trash packs I get 45k+

Acsvf wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

and just for the LOLS ill give you my spike dps because thats my favorite part

for AOE I have had spikes as high as half a million AOE dps (513k exactly)

for Single Target I have had spikes up to 74k

Obviously these numbers drop and only spike that high because of my skillful burst timing

Do you have a screenshot or anything? That sounds pretty high, even for spike damage- I'd like to see.

I can achieve a 43k "dps" spike by fully charging a heavy attack and following it up with a frags and both crit. I don't even run a min-maxed build. I can believe a 74k spike from a min-maxed build. Pointless stat to consider though, sustained dps is what counts.

Did a quick dps test on my nightblade I spindleclutch and pulled 22k with no group buffs. Went back in for another go the next night with group buffs (SPC and warhorn) but messed up rotation bad, didn't have a major sorcery buff for first 15 secs. Did exactly same dps as before