No Sympathy For The Elven

JKorr · April 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I don't know what you're talking about. Us elves are Tamriel's gift to the other feral and uncouth races. Wherever we go, we bring: Civilization, maturity, and near-perfection. It isn't our fault the other races are crude and behave like untrained orcs. But, I suppose that's where we come in. To provide training and structure to the unskilled. Did I mention we have the most beautiful women of all races? Have you not seen a wood elf or high elf women? Or the queen of my beloved Aldmeri Dominion? Glorious dimes they are. Anyway, I hope 1 day you and the other races will appreciate the class and sophistication we (elves) bring to Tamriel.

Yeah. I saw the beautiful elves torturing and beating bosmer and khajiit students.

I was hoping that when you got a chance to prove how "awesome" the beautiful elves are you could kill them, but unfortunately not. You just got to beat the crap out of them in front of witnesses. Which, for them, was probably worse.

Abeille · April 2016

JKorr wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I don't know what you're talking about. Us elves are Tamriel's gift to the other feral and uncouth races. Wherever we go, we bring: Civilization, maturity, and near-perfection. It isn't our fault the other races are crude and behave like untrained orcs. But, I suppose that's where we come in. To provide training and structure to the unskilled. Did I mention we have the most beautiful women of all races? Have you not seen a wood elf or high elf women? Or the queen of my beloved Aldmeri Dominion? Glorious dimes they are. Anyway, I hope 1 day you and the other races will appreciate the class and sophistication we (elves) bring to Tamriel.

Yeah. I saw the beautiful elves torturing and beating bosmer and khajiit students.

I was hoping that when you got a chance to prove how "awesome" the beautiful elves are you could kill them, but unfortunately not. You just got to beat the crap out of them in front of witnesses. Which, for them, was probably worse.

You know they were Veiled Heritance, right? And we do get to kill their leaders. We get the Academy back, and the Bosmer and Khajiit students get the respect they deserve after you get rid of the influence of the Veiled Heritance.

They are the enemy, and that's an important distinction.

Not saying Ch4mpTW is right (he isn't; he even ignored that Orsimer are mer too), but the fact that the openly racist Altmer are enemies in this game even if you are part of the Dominion is pretty nice. What bothers me the most on the quest the OP posted is that the slave masters are allies.

Kaibeth · April 2016

E is for Eagle, so loved by the Elves they plaster its image all over themselves.

This game has brilliant writers.

ArchMikem · April 2016

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Everyone knows khajiit are the master race. We were here in tamriel before all of you immigrants (argonian bros aside).

BTW, that's one good lookin khajiit you got there, OP.

She's my muscular chunky snow tiger.

Vigarr wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Well, nords for example wiped an entire race because of conflict, including those who were innocent.

They were trying to establish a new life in a new land and the elves couldn't abide that so they killed everyone. Ysgramor responded by rallying a handful of warriors and wiped their race from the land....pretty badass imo.

Exactly. I don't think the Nords were inherently aggressive when they fled Atmora, and even the Snow Elves at first were kind and allowed them to settle, but when they saw just how quickly Man was growing in their lands they feared they'd become too many and eventually try to conquer the Elves, so that's what brought on the Night of Tears.

The Elves decided to do a little culling.

Then again another reason might be that the Snow Elves found out about the great source of power, some kind of artifact that the Nords found and kept in Saarthal, and the Elves wanted it for themselves.

JKorr · April 2016

Abeille wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I don't know what you're talking about. Us elves are Tamriel's gift to the other feral and uncouth races. Wherever we go, we bring: Civilization, maturity, and near-perfection. It isn't our fault the other races are crude and behave like untrained orcs. But, I suppose that's where we come in. To provide training and structure to the unskilled. Did I mention we have the most beautiful women of all races? Have you not seen a wood elf or high elf women? Or the queen of my beloved Aldmeri Dominion? Glorious dimes they are. Anyway, I hope 1 day you and the other races will appreciate the class and sophistication we (elves) bring to Tamriel.

Yeah. I saw the beautiful elves torturing and beating bosmer and khajiit students.

I was hoping that when you got a chance to prove how "awesome" the beautiful elves are you could kill them, but unfortunately not. You just got to beat the crap out of them in front of witnesses. Which, for them, was probably worse.

You know they were Veiled Heritance, right? And we do get to kill their leaders. We get the Academy back, and the Bosmer and Khajiit students get the respect they deserve after you get rid of the influence of the Veiled Heritance.

They are the enemy, and that's an important distinction.

Not saying Ch4mpTW is right (he isn't; he even ignored that Orsimer are mer too), but the fact that the openly racist Altmer are enemies in this game even if you are part of the Dominion is pretty nice. What bothers me the most on the quest the OP posted is that the slave masters are allies.

Yep. However they were at the Thalmor college. Given the much later events in Skyrim, the Veiled Heritance and Thalmor are pretty much interchangeable. :shrug: For every mer that follows what Ayrenn seems to believe, there are more that still believe they are superior in every way and should control everything.

Abeille · April 2016

JKorr wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I don't know what you're talking about. Us elves are Tamriel's gift to the other feral and uncouth races. Wherever we go, we bring: Civilization, maturity, and near-perfection. It isn't our fault the other races are crude and behave like untrained orcs. But, I suppose that's where we come in. To provide training and structure to the unskilled. Did I mention we have the most beautiful women of all races? Have you not seen a wood elf or high elf women? Or the queen of my beloved Aldmeri Dominion? Glorious dimes they are. Anyway, I hope 1 day you and the other races will appreciate the class and sophistication we (elves) bring to Tamriel.

Yeah. I saw the beautiful elves torturing and beating bosmer and khajiit students.

I was hoping that when you got a chance to prove how "awesome" the beautiful elves are you could kill them, but unfortunately not. You just got to beat the crap out of them in front of witnesses. Which, for them, was probably worse.

You know they were Veiled Heritance, right? And we do get to kill their leaders. We get the Academy back, and the Bosmer and Khajiit students get the respect they deserve after you get rid of the influence of the Veiled Heritance.

They are the enemy, and that's an important distinction.

Not saying Ch4mpTW is right (he isn't; he even ignored that Orsimer are mer too), but the fact that the openly racist Altmer are enemies in this game even if you are part of the Dominion is pretty nice. What bothers me the most on the quest the OP posted is that the slave masters are allies.

Yep. However they were at the Thalmor college. Given the much later events in Skyrim, the Veiled Heritance and Thalmor are pretty much interchangeable. :shrug: For every mer that follows what Ayrenn seems to believe, there are more that still believe they are superior in every way and should control everything.

I have to disagree with this, based on the number of friendly Altmer vs. the number of awful Altmer we meet in the game.

And I do not see the Veiled Heritance and the 4th Era Thalmor as being interchangeable, as their motivation is completely different. I mean, unless you believe that the problem the Thalmor in the 4th Era have with Talos is because he was human, and they do not want a human in their pantheon. And that's a valid interpretation, and what many characters in Skyrim believe, too. And that interpretation does make the 4th Era Thalmor closer to the Veiled Heritance (Estre said she was trying to "protect Altmeri tradition and heritage", and for that she wanted the other races out of the Summerset Isles, as she deemed these races inferior to the Altmer. I think she just wanted to be Queen, but whatever). Myself, I think what Talos did to them and the fear of him being Lorkhan reborn had more weight. Of course, we won't know if they hate Talos just because he was human, if it is because they fear he is Lorkhan reborn or if it is because Talos nuked their capital (or a combination of the three?), unless we have a broad Altmeri insight in a future TES game, because of what I said before: Most TES games, including the last 3 which were the most lore-heavy, are in areas of historical enemies of the Dominion and are full of NPCs that absolutely hate the Altmer (or elves in general), so I take the "information" we have about them with a grain of salt.

Funny thing is, ESO significantly improved my opinion of the Altmer, but it made me really dislike the Dunmer. I think it is because I really like the Khajiit so seeing them as slaves to the Dunmer and a quest that put these slavers as my allies really made me angry.

The Bosmer are still the best elves though. I've been playing as one since Morrowind.

Forestd16b14_ESO · April 2016

Well I would argue to give elves a chance ... but well look at the snow elves and ancient nords of Atmora.......

Anti_Virus · April 2016

DEATH TO THE ELVEN RACE!

ArchMikem · April 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Well I would argue to give elves a chance ... but well look at the snow elves and ancient nords of Atmora.......

Every Race is horrible in some way though. The Bretons continuously invaded and sacked Orsinium several times, the Redguard invaded from Yokuda and exterminated the Nedes and local Elves basically just cause they were there. The Nords are no stranger to aggression but at least they care about honor in battle. The Khajiit are more so nomadic but they seem to love to fight each other, the Dark Elves are no better than the High Elves and love to enslave other races. Even the Imperials take slaves, murder the innocents of their enemies, and consort with Daedra. Yet I still think the Empire is the best well rounded faction in Tamriel.

Not sure what the Argonians have done.

But I still think the High Elves are the worst.

Anti_Virus · April 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Well I would argue to give elves a chance ... but well look at the snow elves and ancient nords of Atmora.......

The snow elves got what they deserved, they feared Nordic overpopulation so instead of negotiating something they attacked and killed innocent Nords.

They payed the price for that action.

Abeille · April 2016

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Well I would argue to give elves a chance ... but well look at the snow elves and ancient nords of Atmora.......

The snow elves got what they deserved, they feared Nordic overpopulation so instead of negotiating something they attacked and killed innocent Nords.

They payed the price for that action.

If they deserved genocide is up for debate. I hardly think that genocide was a proportional reaction, although I am well aware that the Snow Elves threw the first punch as far as we know.

ArchMikem wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Well I would argue to give elves a chance ... but well look at the snow elves and ancient nords of Atmora.......

But I still think the High Elves are the worst.

I was agreeing with you until this last line. I think the Dunmer are thousands of times worse than the Altmer, but it is mostly because of my love for Khajiit and Argonians.

I agree with everything else though. Also, just making a note that the Bosmer are generally very pacific. I imagine the Meat Mandate is one of the reasons for that. I mean, if you had to eat everyone you kill, you probably would avoid killing. You don't know the state of that Nord's liver after so much ale xD

Ch4mpTW · April 2016

Abeille wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I don't know what you're talking about. Us elves are Tamriel's gift to the other feral and uncouth races. Wherever we go, we bring: Civilization, maturity, and near-perfection. It isn't our fault the other races are crude and behave like untrained orcs. But, I suppose that's where we come in. To provide training and structure to the unskilled. Did I mention we have the most beautiful women of all races? Have you not seen a wood elf or high elf women? Or the queen of my beloved Aldmeri Dominion? Glorious dimes they are. Anyway, I hope 1 day you and the other races will appreciate the class and sophistication we (elves) bring to Tamriel.

Yeah. I saw the beautiful elves torturing and beating bosmer and khajiit students.

I was hoping that when you got a chance to prove how "awesome" the beautiful elves are you could kill them, but unfortunately not. You just got to beat the crap out of them in front of witnesses. Which, for them, was probably worse.

You know they were Veiled Heritance, right? And we do get to kill their leaders. We get the Academy back, and the Bosmer and Khajiit students get the respect they deserve after you get rid of the influence of the Veiled Heritance.

They are the enemy, and that's an important distinction.

Not saying Ch4mpTW is right (he isn't; he even ignored that Orsimer are mer too), but the fact that the openly racist Altmer are enemies in this game even if you are part of the Dominion is pretty nice. What bothers me the most on the quest the OP posted is that the slave masters are allies.

Me? Wrong? Pfft! Never! Lol. I'm just teasing and being the stereotypical high elf. :P

Abeille · April 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I don't know what you're talking about. Us elves are Tamriel's gift to the other feral and uncouth races. Wherever we go, we bring: Civilization, maturity, and near-perfection. It isn't our fault the other races are crude and behave like untrained orcs. But, I suppose that's where we come in. To provide training and structure to the unskilled. Did I mention we have the most beautiful women of all races? Have you not seen a wood elf or high elf women? Or the queen of my beloved Aldmeri Dominion? Glorious dimes they are. Anyway, I hope 1 day you and the other races will appreciate the class and sophistication we (elves) bring to Tamriel.

Yeah. I saw the beautiful elves torturing and beating bosmer and khajiit students.

I was hoping that when you got a chance to prove how "awesome" the beautiful elves are you could kill them, but unfortunately not. You just got to beat the crap out of them in front of witnesses. Which, for them, was probably worse.

You know they were Veiled Heritance, right? And we do get to kill their leaders. We get the Academy back, and the Bosmer and Khajiit students get the respect they deserve after you get rid of the influence of the Veiled Heritance.

They are the enemy, and that's an important distinction.

Not saying Ch4mpTW is right (he isn't; he even ignored that Orsimer are mer too), but the fact that the openly racist Altmer are enemies in this game even if you are part of the Dominion is pretty nice. What bothers me the most on the quest the OP posted is that the slave masters are allies.

Me? Wrong? Pfft! Never! Lol. I'm just teasing and being the stereotypical high elf. :P

Haha that's okay, I often talk like one of my characters here on in the sub-reddit xD

Orcs usually do not like to be called Elves, anyway. My Orc would get grumpy for the rest of the day and mumble to herself about "not being a puny elf" while she hits the metal at the forge harder than usual.

Nova Sky · April 2016

Does anyone remember the bird-like humanoids that early Altmer explorers encountered in central Tamriel?

And, while we're on the topic of ancient races in the world of the Elder Scrolls, does anyone remember anything about a monkey-like humanoid race that once inhabited Akavir, but was eventually wiped out by the snake-like humanoids?

ArchMikem · April 2016

Nova Sky wrote: »

And, while we're on the topic of ancient races in the world of the Elder Scrolls, does anyone remember anything about a monkey-like humanoid race that once inhabited Akavir, but was eventually wiped out by the snake-like humanoids?

Crossing the ocean to Akavir now are we? Luckily for us there's only four races over there. From what I've read, the Tsaeci to Akavir are like what High Elves are to Tamriel. Dominating, superiority obsessed. The monkey people you mentioned would be the Tang-Mo, who are basically victims of the other three.

I'm very curious what the Ka'Po'Tun are like. Tiger Dragons. Mega Khajiit.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · April 2016

I don't recall any mention of the Tang-Mo being wiped out. There also may have been a human race over in Akavir (may still be, in ESO). I heard about a DOG race over there, but I forget what they were called and I can't find a reference to them.

tinythinker · April 2016

ArchMikem wrote: »

Every Race is horrible in some way though.

....

Not sure what the Argonians have done.

Argoblians definitely best race. Everyone should choose this.

ArchMikem · April 2016

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

I don't recall any mention of the Tang-Mo being wiped out. There also may have been a human race over in Akavir (may still be, in ESO). I heard about a DOG race over there, but I forget what they were called and I can't find a reference to them.

Tsaesci conquered and ate the Men on Akavir, and tried to do the same to the Tigers but they managed to resist and become Tiger Dragons. Now they contest control of the continent with the Snakes, and the Tang-Mo are allied with the Tigers.

I hope we get to learn more about Akavir in future games/content. I bet the Tsaesci are similar to Lamia.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · April 2016

ArchMikem wrote: »

Tsaesci conquered and ate the Men on Akavir, and tried to do the same to the Tigers but they managed to resist and become Tiger Dragons. Now they contest control of the continent with the Snakes, and the Tang-Mo are allied with the Tigers.

Yes, but when did that happen? We're in ESO which is ~1,000 years before Skyrim.

LadyNalcarya · April 2016

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Well I would argue to give elves a chance ... but well look at the snow elves and ancient nords of Atmora.......

The snow elves got what they deserved, they feared Nordic overpopulation so instead of negotiating something they attacked and killed innocent Nords.

They payed the price for that action.

The conflict is more likely related to Eye of Magnus, because source that suggests that Falmer were afraid of nords (Pocket Guide to the Empire, 1st edition) is heavily biased against elves. Just read the AD part and compare it to AD locations in ESO.
And reading that someone "deserves genocide" is really weird, even if its just a fictional race.

Forestd16b14_ESO · April 2016

ArchMikem wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Well I would argue to give elves a chance ... but well look at the snow elves and ancient nords of Atmora.......

Every Race is horrible in some way though. The Bretons continuously invaded and sacked Orsinium several times, the Redguard invaded from Yokuda and exterminated the Nedes and local Elves basically just cause they were there. The Nords are no stranger to aggression but at least they care about honor in battle. The Khajiit are more so nomadic but they seem to love to fight each other, the Dark Elves are no better than the High Elves and love to enslave other races. Even the Imperials take slaves, murder the innocents of their enemies, and consort with Daedra. Yet I still think the Empire is the best well rounded faction in Tamriel.

Not sure what the Argonians have done.

But I still think the High Elves are the worst.

Well the Argonians worship Sithis and if born under the shadow sign are taken as soon as the hatch to spend a life time of training as master assassins and are know to be extremely territorial killing any one who adventures to far into Black Marsh.

Appleblade · April 2016

theher0not wrote: »

Skayaq wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

the Khajiit were created to be a superior race, .

Well, of course Khajiit are a superior race, that should go without saying.

Yes. Khajiit are the true master race.

On the other paw, they're cats, and hence easily distracted. The once tried the parliamentary system, but the first meeting fell apart when a Thalmor agent tossed in several balls of yarn.

As for the Bosmer, just about every guard in their areas blurts out an insult as you pass by. Oh, I'm "halfway there" you say? Hey, nice giant tree. Be a shame if something happened to it. Don't even get me started on ther death penalty for flower picking.

Altmer women have some of the prettiest eyes in the multiverse, so they get a pass.

Ra'Shtar · April 2016

The town i hate the most in ESO is Krangemor in EP that place is plagued with khajiit slaves who live in awful unsanitary conditions.

Korah_Eaglecry · April 2016

I hate the Elves for their poor stitching abilities and over all lack of imagination when it comes to clothes. Dark elves....I just...Their clothes look like the shell of a bug. Maybe thats on purpose. But its god awfully ugly is what it truely is. I mean sure theres some ugly racial motifs out there. But the elves, the ones with the longest lives and most pompous attitudes. Youd think they would at least make the finest clothing. Then theres the Wood elves. Theres absolutely nothing appealing about their racial motif clothing wise. If its leather it looks like whomever was hired to clothe their people was an amateur. Like they couldnt find someone to properly cut and stitch leather.

The worst offenders though are the High Elves. Large stitching in everything. Reminds me of some of my first grade art projects.

Abeille · April 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

The worst offenders though are the High Elves. Large stitching in everything. Reminds me of some of my first grade art projects.

Oh gods this is so true.

I hate the large stitches so much! It makes absolutely NO SENSE for their style to be like that. Who the hell designed that? Did they miss the part about the Altmer being obsessed with perfection and aesthetics? With form over function? It's absurd. When they changed the Orc and the Redguard style, I had hopes they would change the Altmer style too, but they never revisited old styles ever again

ArchMikem · April 2016

Appleblade wrote: »

As for the Bosmer, just about every guard in their areas blurts out an insult as you pass by. Oh, I'm "halfway there" you say? Hey, nice giant tree. Be a shame if something happened to it.

Your entire society is built into the trees you say? The forest is the most precious thing to you, you say? That's very interesting.

You want to know a fun little fact? Us Dragonknights breathe fire.

Tan9oSuccka · April 2016

In looking at my PVP achievements, the race killed the most by far is Altmer. (Only goes to 100).

This is a good thing.

I have nothing against Dunmer or Bosmer.

Xarc · April 2016

I killed the most Dunmers & Nords.
So, I am Altmer. I hate this incoherent "ebonheart pact", with barbarians nords, bannished dunmers & their former-slave argonians who fight with them... omg their regions are so hostiles, cold, swamp, ash... Even when fighting them they're a lot showing so much hate...

AKSb16_ESO2 · April 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I don't know what you're talking about. Us elves are Tamriel's gift to the other feral and uncouth races. Wherever we go, we bring: Civilization, maturity, and near-perfection. It isn't our fault the other races are crude and behave like untrained orcs. But, I suppose that's where we come in. To provide training and structure to the unskilled. Did I mention we have the most beautiful women of all races? Have you not seen a wood elf or high elf women? Or the queen of my beloved Aldmeri Dominion? Glorious dimes they are. Anyway, I hope 1 day you and the other races will appreciate the class and sophistication we (elves) bring to Tamriel.

Just like 'murica. xD

Xarc · April 2016

ArchMikem wrote: »

But I still think the High Elves are the worst.

Really I dont understand the how and why ?