No Sympathy For The Elven

ArchMikem

I absolutely love the Lore and how much it makes me hate the Elves. It doesn't even matter which Elf either! Wood Elf, Dark Elf, Sea Elf, and High Elf especially.

There are those few NPCs that seem genuinely decent, but the majority of the Elves are amazingly hate-able. Pompous, arrogant, self-righteous, superiority complex obsessed, even blasphemous considering they claim themselves closest to being Gods.

There's one particular instance I loathe. A quest in Stonefalls that deals with a Slave owner couple and their plantation. No spoilers but I got absolutely fed up with how amazingly infuriating the Wife was over how she viewed the Khajiiti slaves. I had Attack Innocents turned off, but still.



I torched her anyway.

I really wish the game provided an option to finish the quest by detaining or even killing the owners and freeing the Khajiit.

Robo_Hobo

Did you talk to those two dunmer in the same city, where one of them tries to convince you to sell your soul to him for money, and the other claims that all the slaves and poor people have petty souls while richer people, and him, have grand souls? :P

I turned attack innocents on for the first time and brought an empty soul gem. Imagine the horror when he found out his soul was only common. Or lesser, I forget, it was one of the two.

Ffastyl

Yup.

Even in Skyrim, the Thalmor are loathed outright, but loathed all the more when you learn from some documents in their embassy that the Thalmor are the pulling the strings behind the entire civil war. Supplying both sides with weapons and information, prolonging the conflict as long as possible. To top it all off, during the Great War the Thalmor captured and brainwashed Ulfric Stormcloak, driving him to start the rebellion.

The elves have done amazing things if you look at the Summerset Isles. Then you look at the elves themselves...

ArchMikem

Ffastyl wrote: »

Yup.

Even in Skyrim, the Thalmor are loathed outright, but loathed all the more when you learn from some documents in their embassy that the Thalmor are the pulling the strings behind the entire civil war. Supplying both sides with weapons and information, prolonging the conflict as long as possible. To top it all off, during the Great War the Thalmor captured and brainwashed Ulfric Stormcloak, driving him to start the rebellion.

Even when I sided with the Empire in Skyrim, I still attacked any Thalmor I came across. And it makes it even worse when you play through the AD quest line and see the 2nd Era Thalmor as a force of good for the Queen who also puts on quite the benevolent leader act. Oh yeah the Elves are good alright, but only when the 'lesser races' remember to know their place.

Ch4mpTW

I don't know what you're talking about. Us elves are Tamriel's gift to the other feral and uncouth races. Wherever we go, we bring: Civilization, maturity, and near-perfection. It isn't our fault the other races are crude and behave like untrained orcs. But, I suppose that's where we come in. To provide training and structure to the unskilled. Did I mention we have the most beautiful women of all races? Have you not seen a wood elf or high elf women? Or the queen of my beloved Aldmeri Dominion? Glorious dimes they are. Anyway, I hope 1 day you and the other races will appreciate the class and sophistication we (elves) bring to Tamriel.

Nova Sky

ArchMikem wrote: »

Ffastyl wrote: »

Yup.

Even in Skyrim, the Thalmor are loathed outright, but loathed all the more when you learn from some documents in their embassy that the Thalmor are the pulling the strings behind the entire civil war. Supplying both sides with weapons and information, prolonging the conflict as long as possible. To top it all off, during the Great War the Thalmor captured and brainwashed Ulfric Stormcloak, driving him to start the rebellion.

Even when I sided with the Empire in Skyrim, I still attacked any Thalmor I came across. And it makes it even worse when you play through the AD quest line and see the 2nd Era Thalmor as a force of good for the Queen who also puts on quite the benevolent leader act. Oh yeah the Elves are good alright, but only when the 'lesser races' remember to know their place.

Hmm. Even in the Second Era, there are disquieting clues as to just how evil the Thalmor organization will become in the centuries ahead.

Eiagra

*purposefully at no one in particular* That's racist.

phaneub17_ESO

Khajiit were supposedly once Elves in one of the stories, then again they may have also come from the moon.

Moonshadow66

I feel exactly the same way, OP...

Firerock2

I say that for every elf we capture in the war, we cut the tips off their ears so that every time they see their reflection they lose their sense of "Mer" pride. The children back in their elven hives will laugh and scoff at them calling them human and they will be forever plagued as representing the very thing that took away their pathetic elven identity. I suggest we do this for about 10% of the elves we capture, the rest we need to skin alive and wear their hides as coats but before we wear them we must dye them yellow. Pathetic elven scum.

ArchMikem

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Khajiit were supposedly once Elves in one of the stories, then again they may have also come from the moon.

I read from the Lore somewhere that the Khajiit were created to be a superior race, beings that had the strengths of both Man and Beast. Good ol' Irony thus rears it's ugly head since the rest of the world views the Khajiit as lesser beings good only for stealing, and Elsweyr doesn't have the power to to change that.

Skayaq

ArchMikem wrote: »

the Khajiit were created to be a superior race, .

Well, of course Khajiit are a superior race, that should go without saying.

Muizer

@OP That's all right. The Elven do not need the sympathy of lesser beings.

theher0not

Skayaq wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

the Khajiit were created to be a superior race, .

Well, of course Khajiit are a superior race, that should go without saying.

Yes. Khajiit are the true master race.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

*Hsst, @Ch4mpTW, Orcs are also mer. Trinimac was/is a god of the mer, and still has followers among the Altmer.*

ADarklore

ArchMikem wrote: »

And it makes it even worse when you play through the AD quest line and see the 2nd Era Thalmor as a force of good for the Queen who also puts on quite the benevolent leader act.

Actually, Queen Ayrenn IS the benevolent leader, it isn't an ACT... hence the reason the Veiled Heritance is against her... they're full of the Altmer that you are complaining about. She even goes through the Ayleid machine which PROVED that she is exactly as she claims, a leader trying to bring peace and equality between ALL races.

Yet, you see when you play other Alliance quests that there are leaders, most likely Thalmor, within Ayrenn's ranks that are intentionally devising plans that go against exactly what Ayrenn represents. It's no wonder that other Alliance players hate the AD... because the game developers intentionally made the other Alliances out to be monsters... yet when you play for that particular alliance, you get a very different feeling about them. I think that was the point of Meridia giving you Cadwell's Silver and Gold, so you could see for yourself through the eyes of your enemies what the truth actually is. And having been AD my entire ESO 'career', playing through the other Alliance quests showed that not all 'trusted leaders' are actually working for the benefit of their respective King or Queen. I know that any quest that involved the AD in Silver and Gold were not actions that would ever be sanctioned by Queen Ayrenn... and it's interesting how even some of the "enemy" AD NPCs make random complaints or openly disagree with their 'orders'.

Lightninvash

ArchMikem wrote: »

I absolutely love the Lore and how much it makes me hate the Elves. It doesn't even matter which Elf either! Wood Elf, Dark Elf, Sea Elf, and High Elf especially.

There are those few NPCs that seem genuinely decent, but the majority of the Elves are amazingly hate-able. Pompous, arrogant, self-righteous, superiority complex obsessed, even blasphemous considering they claim themselves closest to being Gods.

There's one particular instance I loathe. A quest in Stonefalls that deals with a Slave owner couple and their plantation. No spoilers but I got absolutely fed up with how amazingly infuriating the Wife was over how she viewed the Khajiiti slaves. I had Attack Innocents turned off, but still.



I torched her anyway.

I really wish the game provided an option to finish the quest by detaining or even killing the owners and freeing the Khajiit.

but high elves are the greatest race of them all. FOR THE QUEEN!!

ADarklore

Lightninvash wrote: »

but high elves are the greatest race of them all. FOR THE QUEEN!!

Hate to break it to you, but even Queen Ayrenn has a strong distaste for those who believe in Elven superiority... hence the Veiled Heritance being against her.

stewhead2ub17_ESO

Indeed I do enjoy the political atmosphere and racial divides in ESO!

LadyNalcarya

...Cause human races in Tamriel are peaceful and wise, and never wipe entire races or try to conquer everything. And of course, they're not racists!

Judas Helviaryn

~Dunmer Master Race

dodgehopper_ESO

The Elves are a little bit hard to like at times, but their alien qualities certainly make them interesting.

deleted220701-004865

Things I learned from this thread:

The perfect counters to elven racism are--
1. Setting them on fire.
2. Permanently disfiguring them.
3. Murder.
4. Hating their entire race (racism).

...It's a shame that elves can't be as good, humble and peaceable as this lot.

Lol

waterfairy

Are you really surprised that they keep cats as pets? A higher being such as a "high" elf should have a higher form of cat for a pet.

LadyNalcarya

Tondodino wrote: »

Things I learned from this thread:

The perfect counters to elven racism are--
1. Setting them on fire.
2. Permanently disfiguring them.
3. Murder.
4. Hating their entire race (racism).

...It's a shame that elves can't be as good, humble and peaceable as this lot.

Lol

Or as humble and peaceful as Talos, for example.

theher0not

ADarklore wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

And it makes it even worse when you play through the AD quest line and see the 2nd Era Thalmor as a force of good for the Queen who also puts on quite the benevolent leader act.

Actually, Queen Ayrenn IS the benevolent leader, it isn't an ACT... hence the reason the Veiled Heritance is against her... they're full of the Altmer that you are complaining about. She even goes through the Ayleid machine which PROVED that she is exactly as she claims, a leader trying to bring peace and equality between ALL races.

Yet, you see when you play other Alliance quests that there are leaders, most likely Thalmor, within Ayrenn's ranks that are intentionally devising plans that go against exactly what Ayrenn represents. It's no wonder that other Alliance players hate the AD... because the game developers intentionally made the other Alliances out to be monsters... yet when you play for that particular alliance, you get a very different feeling about them. I think that was the point of Meridia giving you Cadwell's Silver and Gold, so you could see for yourself through the eyes of your enemies what the truth actually is. And having been AD my entire ESO 'career', playing through the other Alliance quests showed that not all 'trusted leaders' are actually working for the benefit of their respective King or Queen. I know that any quest that involved the AD in Silver and Gold were not actions that would ever be sanctioned by Queen Ayrenn... and it's interesting how even some of the "enemy" AD NPCs make random complaints or openly disagree with their 'orders'.

True. I remember what AD tried to do in EP. Commiting a genocide towards the innocent argonians =(. So glad that khajiit decerted and helped me take down those war criminals (I hope Arreyn wasn't be too hard on her, she only did what was right)

LadyNalcarya

theher0not wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

And it makes it even worse when you play through the AD quest line and see the 2nd Era Thalmor as a force of good for the Queen who also puts on quite the benevolent leader act.

Actually, Queen Ayrenn IS the benevolent leader, it isn't an ACT... hence the reason the Veiled Heritance is against her... they're full of the Altmer that you are complaining about. She even goes through the Ayleid machine which PROVED that she is exactly as she claims, a leader trying to bring peace and equality between ALL races.

Yet, you see when you play other Alliance quests that there are leaders, most likely Thalmor, within Ayrenn's ranks that are intentionally devising plans that go against exactly what Ayrenn represents. It's no wonder that other Alliance players hate the AD... because the game developers intentionally made the other Alliances out to be monsters... yet when you play for that particular alliance, you get a very different feeling about them. I think that was the point of Meridia giving you Cadwell's Silver and Gold, so you could see for yourself through the eyes of your enemies what the truth actually is. And having been AD my entire ESO 'career', playing through the other Alliance quests showed that not all 'trusted leaders' are actually working for the benefit of their respective King or Queen. I know that any quest that involved the AD in Silver and Gold were not actions that would ever be sanctioned by Queen Ayrenn... and it's interesting how even some of the "enemy" AD NPCs make random complaints or openly disagree with their 'orders'.

True. I remember what AD tried to do in EP. Commiting a genocide towards the innocent argonians =(. So glad that khajiit decerted and helped me take down those war criminals (I hope Arreyn wasn't be too hard on her, she only did what was right)

Well, nords for example wiped an entire race because of conflict, including those who were innocent.

waterfairy

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Well, nords for example wiped an entire race because of conflict, including those who were innocent.

They were trying to establish a new life in a new land and the elves couldn't abide that so they killed everyone. Ysgramor responded by rallying a handful of warriors and wiped their race from the land....pretty badass imo.

LadyNalcarya

Vigarr wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Well, nords for example wiped an entire race because of conflict, including those who were innocent.

They were trying to establish a new life in a new land and the elves couldn't abide that so they killed everyone. Ysgramor responded by rallying a handful of warriors and wiped their race from the land....pretty badass imo.

Actually, the reasons of the conflict are unknown.

The reason for the Night of Tears has been lost to time,

But your post is a very good illustration how being cruel and bloodthristy conqueror turns out to be a good thing if you like the character.

dodgehopper_ESO

Tondodino wrote: »

Things I learned from this thread:

The perfect counters to elven racism are--
1. Setting them on fire.
2. Permanently disfiguring them.
3. Murder.
4. Hating their entire race (racism).

...It's a shame that elves can't be as good, humble and peaceable as this lot.

Lol

It all started with Auri-El and Shor getting in a fight. (I don't think either of them won, and quite possibly they become one as Akatosh).

FriedEggSandwich

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

...Cause human races in Tamriel are peaceful and wise, and never wipe entire races or try to conquer everything. And of course, they're not racists!

Abnur Tharn.