NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Correction...the assistants do things outside of towns that otherwise is not accessible.
Its not comparable to suggest go to town if you don't want these...given the TG quest assistant
All other convenience items are comparable in exact use of in-game opportunities outside of crown stores.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Correction...the assistants do things outside of towns that otherwise is not accessible.
Its not comparable to suggest go to town if you don't want these...given the TG quest assistant
All other convenience items are comparable in exact use of in-game opportunities outside of crown stores.
You should point out that XP scrolls are not comparable to psijic ambrosia because they don't need to be crafted and you don't need perfect roe.
If the Crown Store items are much more convenient than ingame items, you cry P2W.
If the Crown Store items are not much better than ingame items, you cry ripp-off
When you're out of reasons to cry, you whine that the very exact same item is not in the game.
Here, have some tissues.
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Correction...the assistants do things outside of towns that otherwise is not accessible.
Its not comparable to suggest go to town if you don't want these...given the TG quest assistant
All other convenience items are comparable in exact use of in-game opportunities outside of crown stores.
You should point out that XP scrolls are not comparable to psijic ambrosia because they don't need to be crafted and you don't need perfect roe.
If the Crown Store items are much more convenient than ingame items, you cry P2W.
If the Crown Store items are not much better than ingame items, you cry ripp-off
When you're out of reasons to cry, you whine that the very exact same item is not in the game.
Here, have some tissues.
I feel you are pulling the points and facts out in attempt to create arguments or to troll the thread on opinions that you have on the topic ....
The discussion is specific to crown items that are suppose to offer convenience and are available to comparable in-game items. To you comments...exp scrolls are comparable to exp potions just as crown motifs are comparable to motifs but....
The only difference is one is a scroll while the other is a potion but they are literally one in the same.
This isn't a cry thread but it is an attempt to specifically identify that an assistant isn't a convenience item if its not available in any other means and the price in crowns is taking advantage of this particularly....just like previous mounts.
NOW....other comments by other users do point out that the crown items began to differ from actual in-game items little by little until we have what we see now, items that are only available within the crown store by type and features.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Correction...the assistants do things outside of towns that otherwise is not accessible.
Its not comparable to suggest go to town if you don't want these...given the TG quest assistant
All other convenience items are comparable in exact use of in-game opportunities outside of crown stores.
You should point out that XP scrolls are not comparable to psijic ambrosia because they don't need to be crafted and you don't need perfect roe.
If the Crown Store items are much more convenient than ingame items, you cry P2W.
If the Crown Store items are not much better than ingame items, you cry ripp-off
When you're out of reasons to cry, you whine that the very exact same item is not in the game.
Here, have some tissues.
I feel you are pulling the points and facts out in attempt to create arguments or to troll the thread on opinions that you have on the topic ....
The discussion is specific to crown items that are suppose to offer convenience and are available to comparable in-game items. To you comments...exp scrolls are comparable to exp potions just as crown motifs are comparable to motifs but....
The only difference is one is a scroll while the other is a potion but they are literally one in the same.
This isn't a cry thread but it is an attempt to specifically identify that an assistant isn't a convenience item if its not available in any other means and the price in crowns is taking advantage of this particularly....just like previous mounts.
NOW....other comments by other users do point out that the crown items began to differ from actual in-game items little by little until we have what we see now, items that are only available within the crown store by type and features.
I am demonstrating that your arguments are rationally and logically wrong, and emotionally driven by the will to bash and cry.
The difference between a XP scroll and an ambrosia drink (it's a drink, not a potion) is OF COURSE not only the form : the XP scroll you just buy, and the drink, you have to make it after gathering rare ingredients. You CANNOT SAY it is the same, but you CAN SAY it provides comparable boni - for different quantities of effort.
The assistants are EXACTLY the same : they provide similar facilities, except that in one case you summon them instantly, and in the other case you have to travel to town. Different effort, similar outcome.
I understand some people being frustrated for not having been clearly informed of missing features from assistants as compared to static bank/merchant NPCs. That's a real issue. But assistants not being available in the game ? That pure hairsplitting, just for the sake of complaining.
I'm not the one trying to create arguments here. You are.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
Waffennacht wrote: »Guess what? You can enter a campaign from anywhere, guess what there is a wayshrine right there, guess what? this means free teleport to anywhere from anywhere....
N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »Or you can simply pay 146 gold to travel anywhere at anytime except in cyrodiil. Or free trough the social menu.
You know that even if you're nowhere near a wayshrine you can open up your friends list or guild roster and port for free to anyone who's online on a character of the same alliance and in a zone you can reach (so no vet zones if you're not vet rank, no solo or group instances, no PVP zones). Even if you don't find someone who happens to be where you want to go, you'll port to the nearest wayshrine to them, and you can then wayshrine anywhere. All for free.N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »Or you can simply pay 146 gold to travel anywhere at anytime except in cyrodiil. Or free trough the social menu.
That's all great and dandy IF you are traveling from a location that is near a wayshrine... but many grinding spots are out away from wayshrines and require several minutes of travel. So while you may be able to wayshrine for a cost to get to town from a remote location, the ability to return to your previous location may not be so easy. Perhaps other people are OK with wasting 10, 15, 20 minutes traveling back and forth if they do a lot of grinding (particularly for people with alts and don't want to quest constantly), but to me all that travel time adds up to too much... I'd rather be able to remain at the grinding location for longer and spend less of my available gaming time traveling to/from town to deposit or sell loot. At least with the assistants, you can fill both your bank and inventory before having to head to town to sell at Guild Trader or decon. Regardless of missing some functionality, the assistants are still a convenience for people that do a lot of grinding.
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Can we stick to the topic here the argument is that these assistants are not worth the price that Zos has set them at. You can compare them to any item you want or cry its a free market when you clearly do not understand economics till the cows come home, still doesn't change the fact that they are overpriced, the majority of the community feels this way and overall it hurts the reputation and probably the sales of the company.
You know that even if you're nowhere near a wayshrine you can open up your friends list or guild roster and port for free to anyone who's online on a character of the same alliance and in a zone you can reach (so no vet zones if you're not vet rank, no solo or group instances, no PVP zones). Even if you don't find someone who happens to be where you want to go, you'll port to the nearest wayshrine to them, and you can then wayshrine anywhere. All for free.N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »Or you can simply pay 146 gold to travel anywhere at anytime except in cyrodiil. Or free trough the social menu.
That's all great and dandy IF you are traveling from a location that is near a wayshrine... but many grinding spots are out away from wayshrines and require several minutes of travel. So while you may be able to wayshrine for a cost to get to town from a remote location, the ability to return to your previous location may not be so easy. Perhaps other people are OK with wasting 10, 15, 20 minutes traveling back and forth if they do a lot of grinding (particularly for people with alts and don't want to quest constantly), but to me all that travel time adds up to too much... I'd rather be able to remain at the grinding location for longer and spend less of my available gaming time traveling to/from town to deposit or sell loot. At least with the assistants, you can fill both your bank and inventory before having to head to town to sell at Guild Trader or decon. Regardless of missing some functionality, the assistants are still a convenience for people that do a lot of grinding.
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Can we stick to the topic here the argument is that these assistants are not worth the price that Zos has set them at. You can compare them to any item you want or cry its a free market when you clearly do not understand economics till the cows come home, still doesn't change the fact that they are overpriced, the majority of the community feels this way and overall it hurts the reputation and probably the sales of the company.
All opinion and conjecture. We really dont speak for anyone but ourselves. They are selling it seems quite well. Ive seen a lot of them in the game. People like to place them in banks make you click a few different ones till you find the actual banker. I mean what might be too expensive for you might not be for someone else. Personally I dont need it to be any more convenient so I wouldnt use em even if free. Thats just my opinion tho.
The market will dictate the price. If its too high the price will come down. If sales meet projections the price will remain the same.
I don't know anyone that has actually bought it personally, and selling well is also conjecture on your part. And the price will not go down, it may go on sale at a later date but have you seen any crown store item price drop ever?
I don't know anyone that has actually bought it personally, and selling well is also conjecture on your part. And the price will not go down, it may go on sale at a later date but have you seen any crown store item price drop ever?
No, BUT... we have seen SALES on Crowns... which then equate to everything in the Crown Store going on sale. People are just mad because they don't think ahead when the Crowns go on sale, so they either buy too few or don't buy any, and then complain about the prices of items added later.
So basically your saying its too expensive, and only to buy crowns when they're on sale which brings us back to the point that it is overpriced. Regardless of sales/eso+ you got your mom's credit card its set at $40, arguing that it is priced fairly because of this gets none of us anywhere and just reinforces Zos's pricing policy as it is.
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Can we stick to the topic here the argument is that these assistants are not worth the price that Zos has set them at. You can compare them to any item you want or cry its a free market when you clearly do not understand economics till the cows come home, still doesn't change the fact that they are overpriced, the majority of the community feels this way and overall it hurts the reputation and probably the sales of the company.
All opinion and conjecture. We really dont speak for anyone but ourselves. They are selling it seems quite well. Ive seen a lot of them in the game. People like to place them in banks make you click a few different ones till you find the actual banker. I mean what might be too expensive for you might not be for someone else. Personally I dont need it to be any more convenient so I wouldnt use em even if free. Thats just my opinion tho.
The market will dictate the price. If its too high the price will come down. If sales meet projections the price will remain the same.
I don't know anyone that has actually bought it personally, and selling well is also conjecture on your part. And the price will not go down, it may go on sale at a later date but have you seen any crown store item price drop ever?
So basically your saying its too expensive, and only to buy crowns when they're on sale which brings us back to the point that it is overpriced. Regardless of sales/eso+ you got your mom's credit card its set at $40, arguing that it is priced fairly because of this gets none of us anywhere and just reinforces Zos's pricing policy as it is.
Overpriced only for those who DIDN'T buy Crowns while they were on sale... and that's ZOS' point. They just had a Crown sale a couple of weeks ago, they know how many people bought Crowns during sales. If ZOS never had a single Crown sale, they would likely have sold the Assistants at 2500 Crown... but because of the Crown sale, they would be losing money now because people that bought Crowns on sale would be basically paying 1250 Crown for them. Instead, those who bought Crowns on sale are paying 2500 for them now. ZOS also knows that when the next Crown sale rolls around, many of those who have been complaining about the prices will buy Crowns at that time and purchase the Assistants then. This is WHY I stock up on Crowns when there is a sale, because I know that ZOS will release items that are overpriced for normal Crown prices.
You're right - I somehow missed that you were just talking about the return trip, and not the entire round trip.You know that even if you're nowhere near a wayshrine you can open up your friends list or guild roster and port for free to anyone who's online on a character of the same alliance and in a zone you can reach (so no vet zones if you're not vet rank, no solo or group instances, no PVP zones). Even if you don't find someone who happens to be where you want to go, you'll port to the nearest wayshrine to them, and you can then wayshrine anywhere. All for free.N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »Or you can simply pay 146 gold to travel anywhere at anytime except in cyrodiil. Or free trough the social menu.
That's all great and dandy IF you are traveling from a location that is near a wayshrine... but many grinding spots are out away from wayshrines and require several minutes of travel. So while you may be able to wayshrine for a cost to get to town from a remote location, the ability to return to your previous location may not be so easy. Perhaps other people are OK with wasting 10, 15, 20 minutes traveling back and forth if they do a lot of grinding (particularly for people with alts and don't want to quest constantly), but to me all that travel time adds up to too much... I'd rather be able to remain at the grinding location for longer and spend less of my available gaming time traveling to/from town to deposit or sell loot. At least with the assistants, you can fill both your bank and inventory before having to head to town to sell at Guild Trader or decon. Regardless of missing some functionality, the assistants are still a convenience for people that do a lot of grinding.
You clearly did not read where I mentioned this and then mentioned how the RETURN trip to your grinding location is not always so easy and can involve a lot of travel time especially if you are grinding for hours and have to constantly return to town because your inventory is full.
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Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP) Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC) Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP) Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC) Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp |
So basically your saying its too expensive, and only to buy crowns when they're on sale which brings us back to the point that it is overpriced. Regardless of sales/eso+ you got your mom's credit card its set at $40, arguing that it is priced fairly because of this gets none of us anywhere and just reinforces Zos's pricing policy as it is.
Overpriced only for those who DIDN'T buy Crowns while they were on sale... and that's ZOS' point. They just had a Crown sale a couple of weeks ago, they know how many people bought Crowns during sales. If ZOS never had a single Crown sale, they would likely have sold the Assistants at 2500 Crown... but because of the Crown sale, they would be losing money now because people that bought Crowns on sale would be basically paying 1250 Crown for them. Instead, those who bought Crowns on sale are paying 2500 for them now. ZOS also knows that when the next Crown sale rolls around, many of those who have been complaining about the prices will buy Crowns at that time and purchase the Assistants then. This is WHY I stock up on Crowns when there is a sale, because I know that ZOS will release items that are overpriced for normal Crown prices.