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Is IC a PvP Update?
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Do you consider the Imperial City to be a PvP Update?
Edited by RadioheadSh0t on March 31, 2016 3:04PM Aldonius Direnni - Vet Altmer Sorc (AD)
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Is IC a PvP Update? 190 votes
Yes, any update where you can kill other players constitutes a PvP update.
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No, an update with no PvP objectives and only PvE objectives can't be considered a PvP Update.
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EsoRecon✭✭✭✭✭No, an update with no PvP objectives and only PvE objectives can't be considered a PvP Update.It's a pve zone with the ability to kill others thrown in.Xbox One [ NA ]
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EsoRecon✭✭✭✭✭No, an update with no PvP objectives and only PvE objectives can't be considered a PvP Update.Imperial City
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Edited by Soulac on March 31, 2016 3:11PMR.I.P Dawnbreaker / Auriel´s Bow
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✭No, an update with no PvP objectives and only PvE objectives can't be considered a PvP Update.@Woodfin95 Why do you think it's a PVP update?'Chaos0 -
Morozov✭✭✭No, an update with no PvP objectives and only PvE objectives can't be considered a PvP Update.there was nothing new regarding PVP added with IC except that you can get telvar stones after killing an enemy player. Just another form of currency. Not related at all to PVP.
Everything else which was added is PVE questing and PVE story content.AD
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RadioheadSh0t✭✭✭✭✭No, an update with no PvP objectives and only PvE objectives can't be considered a PvP Update.
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✭Yes, any update where you can kill other players constitutes a PvP update.I get the argument of no pvp objectives sure, but....
1. Can you kill enemy players? Yes
2. Is the zone in a pvp zone? Yes
3. Can you loot enemy bodies? Yes (stones)
4. Can you gank weak pve'ers who don't know how to pvp? Yes
If it only counts as pvp when there are objectives then everything I did in Age of Conan wasn't pvp and yet...it was?
They should add pvp objectives, but yes imo it's still a PVP expansion. It's a shame they didn't add objectives tho, on that I agree.5 -
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✭✭Edited by ZOS_MollyH on March 31, 2016 4:16PMR.I.P Dawnbreaker / Auriel´s Bow
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✭✭Yes, any update where you can kill other players constitutes a PvP update.You can kill other players, so it is a PVP update. Just not a very good one. It's a glimpse of how the Justice System would have worked if the PVP element had been introduced. And it explains why zos never implemented it. A very small portion of player base would have loved it, and everyone else would hate it or quit.PC/NA/DCBreton Sorcerer Maester.White - BB meets GoT >Master Crafter< { 9 Traits completed 4/23/15 }
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GRxKnight✭✭✭✭✭No, an update with no PvP objectives and only PvE objectives can't be considered a PvP Update.I get the argument of no pvp objectives sure, but....
1. Can you kill enemy players? Yes
2. Is the zone in a pvp zone? Yes
3. Can you loot enemy bodies? Yes (stones)
4. Can you gank weak pve'ers who don't know how to pvp? Yes
If it only counts as pvp when there are objectives then everything I did in Age of Conan wasn't pvp and yet...it was?
They should add pvp objectives, but yes imo it's still a PVP expansion. It's a shame they didn't add objectives tho, on that I agree.
Number 3 is a pve feature not a pvp feature....and I'll counter all that with:
1. Is the currency acquired from this expansion mainly found from looting NPCs and other pve based objectives? Yes
2. Are the main objectives in this expansion pve focused? Yes
3. Is there a pve quest line associated with this update? Yes
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RadioheadSh0t✭✭✭✭✭No, an update with no PvP objectives and only PvE objectives can't be considered a PvP Update.I get the argument of no pvp objectives sure, but....
1. Can you kill enemy players? Yes
2. Is the zone in a pvp zone? Yes
3. Can you loot enemy bodies? Yes (stones)
4. Can you gank weak pve'ers who don't know how to pvp? Yes
If it only counts as pvp when there are objectives then everything I did in Age of Conan wasn't pvp and yet...it was?
They should add pvp objectives, but yes imo it's still a PVP expansion. It's a shame they didn't add objectives tho, on that I agree.
I appreciate your opinion, but if you follow the food chain of those stones, and it starts with PVE.
Either you're ganking players engaged in PvE, or engaging in PvE hoping to run into other players engaged in PvE. And when you are engaged, how much average space do you have to fight without drawing aggro?
When people group up in IC, not solo Gankers, what is the objective of those groups the vast majority of time? Are they grinding stones and trophies, and Xv1ing any solo grinders? Or are they looking for other groups to fight? It's almost always the former.
If ZOS had made the districts PvP areas and had the sewers as the PvE area, I think IC would've been a success. The sewers are good at what they are, and if they were complimented with a better district setting, IC would still have players in it. Also, giving people better things to buy with TV stones would go a long way at building the IC population.
Calling IC a PvP update is like calling Cracked Wood Cave a PvP objective.Aldonius Direnni - Vet Altmer Sorc (AD)
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Asmael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Can you get most of the best gear through PvPing in there? (Kena, Endurance/Willpower/Agility)
Is PvPing anywhere near as rewarding as PvE in IC?
Does PvPing give you anything besides Tel var stones?
Do Tel var stones have any value at all?
Is the core event of IC a PvP one?
Are most dailies in IC PvP related?
More importantly...
Isn't it too late for such a thread?
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RadioheadSh0t✭✭✭✭✭No, an update with no PvP objectives and only PvE objectives can't be considered a PvP Update.Can you get most of the best gear through PvPing in there? (Kena, Endurance/Willpower/Agility)
Is PvPing anywhere near as rewarding as PvE in IC?
Does PvPing give you anything besides Tel var stones?
Do Tel var stones have any value at all?
Is the core event of IC a PvP one?
Are most dailies in IC PvP related?
More importantly...
Isn't it too late for such a thread?
They can, and have said they may, change IC with features like capturing districts. If their Q1 Update next year is a PvP update for IC, it could breathe life back into it. But some players still defend it as a PvP update, and the fact that players have had enough time with it makes this a more relevant poll than one at the IC launch.
Why they reverted their initial plan is beyond me. It seemed like what they advertised it as for over a year would've been vastly better than what we got. And I can't for the life of me understand the "why" of that change.
The Districts are very well designed for good PvP if there were objectives. Give the districts three capture flags each and meaningful incentives for capture, remove almost all NPCs, and give rewards (AP or TV with better things to purchase) worth the effort.
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RadioheadSh0t✭✭✭✭✭No, an update with no PvP objectives and only PvE objectives can't be considered a PvP Update.[snip]since @ZOS_BrianWheeler has said they're looking into IC changes, I'd also like people to leave feedback for ways to make it the PvP update it should've been in the first place.
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Jordaen✭✭✭No, an update with no PvP objectives and only PvE objectives can't be considered a PvP Update."pve with pvp"Chıef - VR16 Stamina Dragonknight - DC
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✭✭✭No, an update with no PvP objectives and only PvE objectives can't be considered a PvP Update.Add golden crafting tempers to the Tel Var store for 1 - 5k ea. = PvP Update{★★★★★ · ★★★★★ · ★★ · ★★★★★}350m+ AP PC - EUAddons
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✭Yes, any update where you can kill other players constitutes a PvP update.RadioheadSh0t wrote: »I get the argument of no pvp objectives sure, but....
1. Can you kill enemy players? Yes
2. Is the zone in a pvp zone? Yes
3. Can you loot enemy bodies? Yes (stones)
4. Can you gank weak pve'ers who don't know how to pvp? Yes
If it only counts as pvp when there are objectives then everything I did in Age of Conan wasn't pvp and yet...it was?
They should add pvp objectives, but yes imo it's still a PVP expansion. It's a shame they didn't add objectives tho, on that I agree.
I appreciate your opinion, but if you follow the food chain of those stones, and it starts with PVE.
Either you're ganking players engaged in PvE, or engaging in PvE hoping to run into other players engaged in PvE. And when you are engaged, how much average space do you have to fight without drawing aggro?
When people group up in IC, not solo Gankers, what is the objective of those groups the vast majority of time? Are they grinding stones and trophies, and Xv1ing any solo grinders? Or are they looking for other groups to fight? It's almost always the former.
If ZOS had made the districts PvP areas and had the sewers as the PvE area, I think IC would've been a success. The sewers are good at what they are, and if they were complimented with a better district setting, IC would still have players in it. Also, giving people better things to buy with TV stones would go a long way at building the IC population.
Calling IC a PvP update is like calling Cracked Wood Cave a PvP objective.
I respect your opinion too, I am not arguing it's a good pvp update, it's not. But it is pvp by it's very definition. It's in an area where players can attack you, that's pvp. Doesn't matter if it has pve in there too. Imperial City is like exactly what Age of Conan was, pve everywhere with the risk of pvp thrown in. It's still a pvp update, just a bad one considering the type of pvp ESO normally had going.1 -
RadioheadSh0t✭✭✭✭✭No, an update with no PvP objectives and only PvE objectives can't be considered a PvP Update.Add golden crafting tempers to the Tel Var store for 1 - 5k ea. = PvP Update
But you can already make better ROI on other items right now with TV stones than that.
They would have to be higher priced than that, or else you're better off spending your TV on something else and buying the tempers.
Even still, I wouldn't consider that a PVP change, because you have to get those stones off NPCs and NPCs are still the most efficient way of acquiring them by far.
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GRxKnight✭✭✭✭✭No, an update with no PvP objectives and only PvE objectives can't be considered a PvP Update.Lol posts were removed for explaining to everyone why this thread has been created *smh*Member of Victorem, RÁGE ; Decibel Alumni (RIP)
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Delphinia✭✭✭✭✭PvP is, of course, player vs player. Wouldn't anywhere you can battle and potentially kill another player be considered PvP? Whether or not the environment you play in is any good or typical of a PvP environment might be another question.2
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tonemd✭✭✭✭Yes, any update where you can kill other players constitutes a PvP update.PvP is, of course, player vs player. Wouldn't anywhere you can battle and potentially kill another player be considered PvP? Whether or not the environment you play in is any good or typical of a PvP environment might be another question.
That is the only reason why I answered yes in the poll. It is located in the ghetto of PVP (Cyrodill) and you can't get to it from any other PVE zone. So by ZOS' standards so far, it is a PVP update.
Cyrodill is THE PVP zone, and it's full of PVE.
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✭✭✭✭No, an update with no PvP objectives and only PvE objectives can't be considered a PvP Update.IC has been a near-complete failure if one is to believe all the developer bla bla about it being a PvP update.
Much like ESO has failed with all it's developer bla bla about how important PvP is.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes, any update where you can kill other players constitutes a PvP update.Darkness Falls worked the same way as IC...it is a PvP updatehttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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DjSolJAH✭✭✭Yes, any update where you can kill other players constitutes a PvP update.IC is currently the best PvP action you will find in the game... It was never intended to be strictly a PvP update rather a mesh of both.Zee blues are coming!!!! Always.... Always coming...1 -
GRxKnight✭✭✭✭✭No, an update with no PvP objectives and only PvE objectives can't be considered a PvP Update.IC is currently the best PvP action you will find in the game... It was never intended to be strictly a PvP update rather a mesh of both.
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✭✭✭Yes, any update where you can kill other players constitutes a PvP update.
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✭No it is PvA Player vs AssPS4 NA
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✭✭No, an update with no PvP objectives and only PvE objectives can't be considered a PvP Update.
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