THE ELITISTS IN THIS GAME ARE TERRIBLE (BOTH PvE AND PvP)

Bofrari · March 2016

The op is one of them guys with a vr3 tank/healer build in PvP with 1k dos that runs upon a seasoned player gets rekt then comes to forums and crys nerf what a joke

AOECAPS · March 2016

I'll group finder when the pals aren't on I don't care about what level you are TBH I have ran with the worst dps ever that were v16 they were light attacking the adjudicator with a bow constantly wiping Etc same dungeon ran wGT with a v5 tank that never been in before we told him mechanics and what to do and he was golden. In pvp generally run solo or in a small group I don't mind playing with other people but I'm not going to ball up with every guild out there spamming steel tornado or timing prox det that ish isn't fun

code65536 · March 2016

What dungeon was it?

If I'm doing a random dungeon, and I get popped into vICP or vWGT, I'm probably not going to stick around. I'll probably watch the first trash pull and decide if it's going to work or not. Nothing personal, but there are some dungeons that you just don't PUG.

Inarre · March 2016

Some people touched on it but it is much easier finding a group for dungeons at lower level by offering to scale it down (invited through zone chat, you get lead) higher level vets often like the easy quick run. This is a good way for both to be happy.

In pvp best way is to be persistent with your advertisement and friendly in zone. And go to where the action is. If large groups see you trying to help (resing, healing, ccing, dding etc) you may have a better chance of group (or guild!) invite.

Duiwel · March 2016

It takes 8 days to go from lvl 3 to 66 (VR16)

However IF you are already a VR player it will be even less, why not just max out your char then you have no excuse and can't complain OP?

CaptainBeerDude · March 2016

bowmanz607 wrote: »

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

So you choose not to be social and join a guild, and ZoS says to you "don't worry i'll give you an automated tool to find groups with!" where it takes 0 effort to find a group. Then you're mad that, when not having to join a guild to run group content, players choose not to run with you.

Sounds like a much different problem than any supposed elitists, I would argue this is a matter of player entitlement.

A lot of people use it now because of the rewards just because people use it doesn't mean they're not in a guild.

True, but elitists are likely not joining group finder. And 8f they are they know exactly what they are getting in to and likely will take what they get. They are not in group finder to find a solid group to run with, but to help out new players or perhaps look for a new challenge to a dungeon they ran 100 times. Odds are an elitist is only running a dungeon because they are doing daily in which case they will generally have a group or two they run with systematically, especially gold key. Or, to farm it for helms in which case they are also not using the group finder because they are looking for speed runs.

Bottom line is, the players that leave, likely are not elitist. Elitist don't need no stinking group finder

Sounds like you're referring to ELITE players. The elitist players will have some overlap with this group but are not necessarily elite players. They just have a belief that they are.

Fair point. But I would argue that if you believe yourself to be elite, then why is it your trying to run with pugs? Obviously a question that can't be answered, but worth mentioning.

I'm not elite. But I can get through non-vet with almost any PUG (except Blackheart). Vet is different, and if you're using PUGs successfully for those I would say you are at least very good if not elite. If I was elite, I would probably have a core group of at least 3, with one in each role, for dungeon runs as high skill players notice each other for the most part and tend to gravitate toward each other. And yes, I have seen elite players in PUGs, just not very often.

WillhelmBlack · March 2016

Yep, I was one of those. I just didn't realise that's what it did, group you with lower level players. I stopped using the tool immediately.

WillhelmBlack · March 2016

You should be able to specify level.

AddictionX · March 2016

Well maybe thats why they're getting rid of vet ranks...

Skinless_Jerk · March 2016

Pepsi2853_ESO wrote: »

seriously, there are v16 elitists that will use the dungeon finder to find a group, and then when they get the group if they see they're playing with lower vet ranks they immediately leave.

and in pvp, i was able to instantly find a group in the non-vet pvp lobby. it was just type "lfg" in zone chat and you got a group. now since i'm a vet rank when i go into a pvp lobby and type "lfg" i never find a group. i even call the elitists out on it like "hrey cmon elitists can i joinz a group???" and they reply "lol, no. git gud" and stuff like that. so i know it isn't just a lack of groups in pvp, but purposeful exclusion. opinions.

Agree 100% .. I had one guy in WGT leave immediately because nobody was wearing 2 piece kena.then state that he wanted a quick run and CBA to do it with noobs... My thoughts were ..'then why are you even in group finder bruh'

Septimus_Magna · March 2016

And casuals/randoms that pull 6k dps, die all the time and dont understand boss mechanics are great!

Skinless_Jerk · March 2016

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

And casuals/randoms that pull 6k dps, die all the time and dont understand boss mechanics are great!

Nobody starts as a good player, it's a learning curve every one has to adapt to.

Septimus_Magna · March 2016

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

And casuals/randoms that pull 6k dps, die all the time and dont understand boss mechanics are great!

Nobody starts as a good player, it's a learning curve every one has to adapt to.

Its not that hard to watch a YT video to improve your build, dps rotation or to learn the mechanics.

I still come across players who dont know the alter mechanic in vet Wayrest, thats just embarrassing if you ask me.

Wollust · March 2016

I have no idea how the random group finder thingy works, I guess I'm too elitist for that so I won't comment on that.

However, what is wrong with people not inviting you into their guild groups in PvP? I mean.. It's a guild group. You know.. for guildies. There may be pug groups around and you may have been unlucky, but criticizing others because they don't invite you into a guild raid seems pretty uncalled for.
And PvP is often considered to be end game content, which is why a lot of guilds will only take V16 people in. I'm not saying you aren't allowed to play or anything like that if you aren't V16, but most guilds have guidelines they follow through with and you just have to accept that instead of coming here and ranting about everyone but yourself being at fault.

Skinless_Jerk · March 2016

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

And casuals/randoms that pull 6k dps, die all the time and dont understand boss mechanics are great!

Nobody starts as a good player, it's a learning curve every one has to adapt to.

Its not that hard to watch a YT video to improve your build, dps rotation or to learn the mechanics.

I still come across players who dont know the alter mechanic in vet Wayrest, thats just embarrassing if you ask me.

If you find it so embarrassing.. Why do you random group find? Surely the saviour to your embarrassment would be to not use group find.

Why does everything have to come down to 'YouTube to find the answer' .. is figuering out the mechanics to something really that much of an historical feat?

PriorityBalle · March 2016

Geez guys relax, if this guy wanna be a casual pleb by all means let him. We're all free to leave his group when you see he's a v2 Argonian DD

Skinless_Jerk · March 2016

PriorityBalle wrote: »

Geez guys relax, if this guy wanna be a casual pleb by all means let him. We're all free to leave his group when you see he's a v2 Argonian DD

But... People aren't allowed to play how they want!! You must understand that unless you bow to the elitist nature you will get gum thrown in your hair and called names hahaha. It's like a schoolyard where bullies saw other children didn't have a top brand set of trainers (VR16 FULLY SPEC'D CHARACTER) so ridiculed them for it until they hated them selves ... Really is a pathetic attitude.

Bossdonut · March 2016

If I don't see v 16 kenas on EVERYONE in dungeon LFG I bail immediately.

Skinless_Jerk · March 2016

Bossdonut wrote: »

If I don't see v 16 kenas on EVERYONE in dungeon LFG I bail immediately.

You sir.. earned a cookie. Don't rush it haha

Mush55 · March 2016

l left quite a few, usually goes like this for me, que for random dungeon get the pop, then get message from the guild need help in what ever dungeon it is .

Leave pug group help out guild , just the way it is.

CherryCake · March 2016

Pepsi is becoming one of the best trolls on this forum. People cant even tell he is trolling xD

Slayyer-AUS · March 2016

RIP NOOBS

Polysemy · March 2016

Pepsi2853_ESO wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

Right because people looking for group members their own level are elitists, get over it. If you dont like people leaving your group get max vet already.

what you people are not getting is in both PvP and PvE instances you are scaled to the level of the area. when you use the random dungeon finder everyone below v16 is scaled up to v16. my problem is the v16 people leaving because they feel like they're higher skill than you and need to play with other v16s to clear the dungeon. same for PvP. they assume if you're not a v16 like them, then you're not skilled enough to play with them. they will immediately leave your group when using the random dungeon finder, and exclude you from groups with them in PvP. it has nothing to do with being strong enough for the area because everyone scales up to the instances area anyway.

On the scaling.. it is not perfect infact it is not even close to it...

Again on the scaling... Its not about the scaling its about the experience of someone who has actually taken the time to level their character to max and learn how to play it at that level

People dont just want to "clear" the dungeon they want to do it in as little time as reasonably possible (or atleast to some affect not in more then it should)

The last time I used group finder my 3 friends and I found a tank (v16) for vICP and guess what we cleared it with ease. Im sure we couldve cleared it with someone lower level I have met some really good tanks (Taheem(if you out there buddy)) who are underleveled

Alot of the people that log on for an hour a day only have that long and dont want to spend it all doing a daily with people they dont know spending more time then they need to to do something

Time is the most valuable thing in any game.

Volkodav · March 2016

Pepsi2853_ESO wrote: »

seriously, there are v16 elitists that will use the dungeon finder to find a group, and then when they get the group if they see they're playing with lower vet ranks they immediately leave.

and in pvp, i was able to instantly find a group in the non-vet pvp lobby. it was just type "lfg" in zone chat and you got a group. now since i'm a vet rank when i go into a pvp lobby and type "lfg" i never find a group. i even call the elitists out on it like "hrey cmon elitists can i joinz a group???" and they reply "lol, no. git gud" and stuff like that. so i know it isn't just a lack of groups in pvp, but purposeful exclusion. opinions.

People who enjoy playing with other people their level arent elitists.They just prefer players who have the skills to keep up with them.
Elitists are jerks who brag about their levels,skills,and gear.

laksikus · March 2016

Reykice wrote: »

There are harder dungeons, the imperial city ones. They have a dps check, unless you kill stuff fast you are overwhelmed by adds or the npc enrages and 1shots everything.

Many V16`s fail there so most won`t even consider a lower VR. I have never ever seen a low VR group pass and i healed a few, they just don`t have the dps.

Due to that even if i`m on a lower VR healer i check the dps on the first pack/boss, if its not enough i say and go. Most of the time if one dps or the tank already did the dungeon they can see its not enough and also say something similar.

The other veteran dungeons can be completed by any VR and such so no issues there, but for the Imperial cit dungeons you either get a decent group or don`t go.

All i can say to you is. You dont have a clue about bartleleveling. Bartleleveling chars in Purpur have better stats than v16 in Gold.
22k dps is easy even as v1.
And I bet 80% of v16 cant even get 20k

CaptainBeerDude · March 2016

JDC1985 wrote: »

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

Right because people looking for group members their own level are elitists, get over it. If you dont like people leaving your group get max vet already.

Dude you are a punk and ruin MMOs. This is why MMOs are turning more and more solo friendly cause people dont want to group cause of punks like you.

Who's the punk dude it takes one week to get a toon from level 3 to vr16 get over yourself stop being lazy and level up or don't n keep running with them crap groups that whips in wayrest sewers on the 1st boss with your 5k dps.

If you grind a lot. What if you prefer doing quests and picking flowers? My highest toon is v15. All alts are <15. Been playing for about 9 months. I mean I could have pushed it straight through to v14-16, but I wouldn't have enjoyed it and would probably play less (if at all). It also meant I could experience different aspects of the game, learn mechanics and start to stockpile materials. But if you think that the best method of enjoying something is to skip as much as possible and just finish, more power to you. I feel sorry for your Missus though...

Krist · March 2016

What you have to understand about the "elite minded" is that they feel a need to surround themselves with good players because they aren't really all that good themselves, in most cases. I know in PvP they expect you to have "X set gear/skills/etc", but then I kill these guys all day long by picking them off playing solo. There are exceptions, but not many. I have played with the elites and the most whining you get is because they were easily killed the moment they got away from the group.

While this may seem as if my point is negative for elites, my point is that they gear themselves specifically for certain groups and cannot function well unless they are in that group type. They may be excellent in the group, however. So that may be a reason you run into some problems with these guys. Biggest problem is people forget this is a game, and the intent of a game is to have fun, not work it like it is a job.
SOOO....I do alot of solo and do just fine with that.

I focused on PvP in this post because I am 90% solo in PvE, for the same reasons you are complaining, though no one has ever complained to me, or about me as far as I know, in PvE.

Good luck. Find a good guild maybe, or just ignore the elitists and understand what makes them tick. It isn't you they are afraid of, it is their own failure and inability to make up for the lack of other elites.

Volkodav · March 2016

JDC1985 wrote: »

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

Right because people looking for group members their own level are elitists, get over it. If you dont like people leaving your group get max vet already.

Dude you are a punk and ruin MMOs. This is why MMOs are turning more and more solo friendly cause people dont want to group cause of punks like you.

Who's the punk dude it takes one week to get a toon from level 3 to vr16 get over yourself stop being lazy and level up or don't n keep running with them crap groups that whips in wayrest sewers on the 1st boss with your 5k dps.

Do really mean that?
Everyone who takes longer than a week to get to V16 is a punk??? Or have I read it wrong.
I sure hope you dont mean people like me.
I've never even made it to V6 yet,..not that I care.And I've been playing since the first.
Please,dont include me as a punk just because I choose to actually play the entire game instead of PvPing or grinding myself to death to get to V16 in a week..

JD2013 · March 2016

See, I don't mind running dungeons and indeed PVP with a PUG. In fact, a lot of the time, I'll hop into Cyrodiil and be added into a group no troubles. (Although yes I am V16)

One thing I do take issue with though with regards to group finder is when someone queues for every role. Say for example when someone says they're a tank, and then we get into the dungeon and they can't tank at all. This has happened a few times, and it's really a waste of the group's time. That really hacks me off.

I enjoy helping lower level players out. But don't waste everyone's time.

Kippesnikke · March 2016

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

PriorityBalle wrote: »

Geez guys relax, if this guy wanna be a casual pleb by all means let him. We're all free to leave his group when you see he's a v2 Argonian DD

But... People aren't allowed to play how they want!! You must understand that unless you bow to the elitist nature you will get gum thrown in your hair and called names hahaha. It's like a schoolyard where bullies saw other children didn't have a top brand set of trainers (VR16 FULLY SPEC'D CHARACTER) so ridiculed them for it until they hated them selves ... Really is a pathetic attitude.

join a guild and ask for help? but dont put your l2p issues on random people u meet.