Are vet ranks really being removed?

waterfairy · March 2016

If so is there any word how this will be handled? All I find when I search the subject is rumor and whining.

I hope they don't plan on leaving it up to lucky RNG what level loot drops after reaching level 50 as that will be terrible imo, making farming and overpriced items a much bigger issue then it is currently.

I don't want to stir up stuff asking this, I'm just curious as I finally reached vet rank on 2 characters simultaneously and don't see any issue with the current system aside from leveling up slowing to a snail crawl.

Rylana · March 2016

Hello 2014, nice to see you pop back up

tinythinker · March 2016

Yes, it's already done on the internal severs at ZOS and will be part of the next update (Dark Brotherhood).

Marcosyn11 · March 2016

I think they will remove them with the Dark Brotherhood DLC or a pos DB DLC patch.

Valrien · March 2016

Level 50 will be the level cap and gear will be dependent on your CP rank. The plan is 10 CP = 1 VR for gear...they're also trying to figure out how to let everyone keep their attribute points and skill points, probably through achievements.

myrrrorb14_ESO · March 2016

I'll answer this one short and to the point since it's been answered so many times.

Yes, they will be removed. Champion ranks will replace veteran ranks. Champion rank 160 will be the equivalent of vet16 equipment. ETA summer on or about Dark Brotherhood DLC.

All things subject to change.

bedlom · March 2016

Apparently so, I will believe it when I see it though.

MissBizz · March 2016

Valrien wrote: »

Level 50 will be the level cap and gear will be dependent on your CP rank. The plan is 10 CP = 1 VR for gear...they're also trying to figure out how to let everyone keep their attribute points and skill points, probably through achievements.

@Valrien Just so you're in the loop (as you appear to be mostly) Rich had since posted their new plan was to give out extra attribute etc. points during normal levels. As in - at certain levels you get 2 points instead of one. Of course, that's just the last we heard, same as the CP level gear.. Zos themselves said it wasn't set in stone yet.

Valrien · March 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Level 50 will be the level cap and gear will be dependent on your CP rank. The plan is 10 CP = 1 VR for gear...they're also trying to figure out how to let everyone keep their attribute points and skill points, probably through achievements.

@Valrien Just so you're in the loop (as you appear to be mostly) Rich had since posted their new plan was to give out extra attribute etc. points during normal levels. As in - at certain levels you get 2 points instead of one. Of course, that's just the last we heard, same as the CP level gear.. Zos themselves said it wasn't set in stone yet.

Thanks! I think I quite like that idea.

phaneub17_ESO · March 2016

Well there are 5 zones per faction with coldharbour at the end, they could do it where you get 3 points per zone and 1 final stat point in coldharbour, they could tie it in with the main quest of each zone where they also award you skill points. Or if they really want to spread it out, there are 15 zones in total and coldharbour where completing the final main quest in each zone also grants +1 stat and +1 skill.

Teridaxus · March 2016

Do people really believe that they remove vet ranks?
They talk about it over a year already and still have no clue how.

rotaugen454 · March 2016

mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »

Do people really believe that they remove vet ranks?
They talk about it over a year already and still have no clue how.

Then you haven't been following along, as they stated on Twitch and elsewhere that it is happening with DB release and they gave some of the mechanics.

Teridaxus · March 2016

They also said imperial city would come with every next major update and it took update 7 to come.
And wasn't craglorn supposed to come at release too?

hrothbern · March 2016

mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »

Do people really believe that they remove vet ranks?
They talk about it over a year already and still have no clue how.

They talk about it over a year already and still have no clue how

WE talk about it over a year already and still have no clue how !

WE speculate about it over a year already like a chicken without a head.

I guess ZOS has worked on it for quite a while and will give us in time a good briefing before it comes with the DB DLC.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · March 2016

I am sure they are tempted to sneak in one more Level Cap raise so they can steal everyones gear and make everyone re-grind and re-gear again.

V18 anyone? Maybe we can make V18 gear cost 500 mats each. That would be fun!

Loralai_907 · March 2016

I really think that it is going to happen. I'm just not entirely sure it is going to be "better" to do it with CP instead. I'm not convinced, but I'm not attached to VR either, so whatever they want to do I guess.

iam117 · March 2016

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

I am sure they are tempted to sneak in one more Level Cap raise so they can steal everyones gear and make everyone re-grind and re-gear again.

V18 anyone? Maybe we can make V18 gear cost 500 mats each. That would be fun!

i almost rage-quit the game about 3 months ago when the v18 willpower jewelery shots were going around in game that got data mined. i was not surprised, just pissed, and i wouldnt be surprised if they did another cap, then removed, but im hoping they just swap to cp and call it a day with DB

waterfairy · March 2016

Thanks for the informative replies, I'm not sure I will like the change but at least I can prepare for what they propose to do.

In a related question, will CP no longer be shared amongst alt characters? That's something I like and will be sad to see it go but there's no way a low leveled character will be able to use CP leveled gear so I'm assuming CP sharing will be cut as well.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

We should see some solid information soon on how this will work. They said they will inform us on how everything will work before they put it on PTS.

DerAlleinTiger · March 2016

Vigarr wrote: »

Thanks for the informative replies, I'm not sure I will like the change but at least I can prepare for what they propose to do.

In a related question, will CP no longer be shared amongst alt characters? That's something I like and will be sad to see it go but there's no way a low leveled character will be able to use CP leveled gear so I'm assuming CP sharing will be cut as well.

From what I've been able to gather - and bear in mind none of this is set in stone as far as I know - CP will still be shared so that if you have max CP you only have to level a character up to 50 and you're basically set up for endgame. Which I think is a very smart move. Nothing kills the buzz of making an alt more than thinking "Damn... I need to get all the way up to VR16... again."

IcyDeadPeople · March 2016

Vigarr wrote: »

In a related question, will CP no longer be shared amongst alt characters? That's something I like and will be sad to see it go but there's no way a low leveled character will be able to use CP leveled gear so I'm assuming CP sharing will be cut as well.

No, that's the point of replacing the veteran ranks with the Champion system, so that your progress will be account wide. You will just need to level any alts to 50 and you can equip endgame gear as long as you have at least 160 CP, or whatever the new level cap will be.

mtwiggz · March 2016

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

I am sure they are tempted to sneak in one more Level Cap raise so they can steal everyones gear and make everyone re-grind and re-gear again.

V18 anyone? Maybe we can make V18 gear cost 500 mats each. That would be fun!

Why must you give them ideas? If this happens I'm going to poison all your Skooma and Sweet Rolls!

jcasini222ub17_ESO · March 2016

Ive always assumed the 160cp-v16 will not be gear cap. It'll be 300 cps or something higher than 160 and how many ever mats that'll be

DaveMoeDee · March 2016

Vigarr wrote: »

Thanks for the informative replies, I'm not sure I will like the change but at least I can prepare for what they propose to do.

In a related question, will CP no longer be shared amongst alt characters? That's something I like and will be sad to see it go but there's no way a low leveled character will be able to use CP leveled gear so I'm assuming CP sharing will be cut as well.

CP will always be shared. That is the whole point of CP. How would they even redistribute CP for players who have 6 v16 characters?

The CP just won't count for gear on non-vet characters. But CP will still be an account wide stat.

Valrien · March 2016

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

I am sure they are tempted to sneak in one more Level Cap raise so they can steal everyones gear and make everyone re-grind and re-gear again.

V18 anyone? Maybe we can make V18 gear cost 500 mats each. That would be fun!

I really wouldn't mind it. With a level cap raise comes not only more mats but new sets, so may be more diversity. Now v18 with no new sets? Now THAT would be horrible and nothing more than artificial life-extension of the game.

waterfairy · March 2016

DerAlleinTiger wrote: »

From what I've been able to gather - and bear in mind none of this is set in stone as far as I know - CP will still be shared so that if you have max CP you only have to level a character up to 50 and you're basically set up for endgame. Which I think is a very smart move. Nothing kills the buzz of making an alt more than thinking "Damn... I need to get all the way up to VR16... again."

That's something that I could stand behind as I'm juggling multiple characters.

Volkodav · March 2016

Ever hear that song by Credence Clearwater Revival?
"Someday Never Comes"?

ColoursYouHave · March 2016

What I really want to know is if they will raise the max CP level of gear. As many have said, the current plan appears to be making 160CP max level (of course players can still obtain CP beyond that), but will they eventually raise the "max level" by 10-20 CP like they'd been doing with Vet Ranks?

Personally, I hope they do not periodically raise the max level of gear to 170CP, 180CP, etc., but rather continue to create new, interesting sets of gear all maxed out at that 160CP threshold.

IcyDeadPeople · March 2016

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

What I really want to know is if they will raise the max CP level of gear. As many have said, the current plan appears to be making 160CP max level (of course players can still obtain CP beyond that), but will they eventually raise the "max level" by 10-20 CP like they'd been doing with Vet Ranks?

Personally, I hope they do not periodically raise the max level of gear to 170CP, 180CP, etc., but rather continue to create new, interesting sets of gear all maxed out at that 160CP threshold.

It has been mentioned that the CP cap will raise a little every quarter and I would be extremely surprised if the gear cap does not continue to rise gradually in the same way it has since launch.

When the CP cap rises, the algorithm for earning champion points shifts by the same amount, so it will always be easier to catch up (you earn CP faster when you have fewer than the cap).

Lylith · March 2016

can't help but wonder how many new problems it will cause, as it's such a major change.

fwiw, i never minded vet ranks. still don't.

ColoursYouHave · March 2016

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

What I really want to know is if they will raise the max CP level of gear. As many have said, the current plan appears to be making 160CP max level (of course players can still obtain CP beyond that), but will they eventually raise the "max level" by 10-20 CP like they'd been doing with Vet Ranks?

Personally, I hope they do not periodically raise the max level of gear to 170CP, 180CP, etc., but rather continue to create new, interesting sets of gear all maxed out at that 160CP threshold.

It has been mentioned that the CP cap will raise a little every quarter and I would be extremely surprised if the gear cap does not continue to rise gradually in the same way it has since launch.

When the CP cap rises, the algorithm for earning champion points shifts by the same amount, so it will always be easier to catch up (you earn CP faster when you have fewer than the cap).

I know the CP cap will continue to rise, but I want to know if the maximum level of gear will rise. I'm not at all concerned with the time it takes to gain CP, but rather the amount of time and resources required to obtain new gear for multiple characters if the max gear level increases to, say, 180 from 160.