So they announce PVP arenas and battlegrounds are coming and noone talks about it?
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✭✭Not going to spend an hour of my day hunting for it but yeh, it was mentioned to be in development before.Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
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✭✭✭I personally like the idea of arenas. I wonder what it will be 4 vs 4 or will there be options for like 6v6 or 8v8?0 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Paulington wrote: »Brian Wheeler stated that Arena/BGs were in active development last time he was on ESO Live which was quite a while ago, we've known this for a long while.
Same as horse racing?
Honestly if arenas come to this game, I will, and I am sure most others will as well, stay further away from them than I would from a zombie that was vomiting liquid cancer and sweating aids in vapor form. Expect super long queue times and expect people to complain about said super long queue times, just like every other game that added that god awful game mode.
Not if but when. They said they are being developed now as we speak. Obviously its going to take some time but its is happening.
Same as with housing and the barber shop. I really hope they dont bring in arenas. God help this game if they do.2 -
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✭✭Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Paulington wrote: »Brian Wheeler stated that Arena/BGs were in active development last time he was on ESO Live which was quite a while ago, we've known this for a long while.
Same as horse racing?
Honestly if arenas come to this game, I will, and I am sure most others will as well, stay further away from them than I would from a zombie that was vomiting liquid cancer and sweating aids in vapor form. Expect super long queue times and expect people to complain about said super long queue times, just like every other game that added that god awful game mode.
Not if but when. They said they are being developed now as we speak. Obviously its going to take some time but its is happening.
Same as with housing and the barber shop. I really hope they dont bring in arenas. God help this game if they do.
Well housing they did say was coming sooner than arenas so its not going to be for some time. I worry about balance too but I cant even move in cyrodill with the latency issues. I go out there sometimes in the odd hours and get a few 1v1 or small group vs small group.0 -
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I dont need to believe what I like. I believe in facts. The fact is they never once mentioned pvp arenas or battlegrounds as being in active development. I dont think they even mentioned battlegrounds by name at all. Considering noone here who claims they did can back that up with any evidence I think its pretty safe to say.3 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Paulington wrote: »Brian Wheeler stated that Arena/BGs were in active development last time he was on ESO Live which was quite a while ago, we've known this for a long while.
Same as horse racing?
Honestly if arenas come to this game, I will, and I am sure most others will as well, stay further away from them than I would from a zombie that was vomiting liquid cancer and sweating aids in vapor form. Expect super long queue times and expect people to complain about said super long queue times, just like every other game that added that god awful game mode.
Not if but when. They said they are being developed now as we speak. Obviously its going to take some time but its is happening.
Same as with housing and the barber shop. I really hope they dont bring in arenas. God help this game if they do.
Well housing they did say was coming sooner than arenas so its not going to be for some time. I worry about balance too but I cant even move in cyrodill with the latency issues. I go out there sometimes in the odd hours and get a few 1v1 or small group vs small group.
I agree the latency needs to be addressed. But are as are NOT the answer. 8 v 8 bg would be ok. But not 1 v 1 - 4 v 40 -
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✭✭✭Well we will see I guess. I agree with you tho seems a little odd to spread the population into three different sections with battlegrounds, arenas and then cyrodill with IC. So really more like four different areas. I guess they think spreading people out would reduce lag?0 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Well we will see I guess. I agree with you tho seems a little odd to spread the population into three different sections with battlegrounds, arenas and then cyrodill with IC. So really more like four different areas. I guess they think spreading people out would reduce lag?
Yeah. That's a lazy fix. They would be abandoning the whom original selling point for pvp. They should just change it back to client side and put in automated software to catch bitters and hackers.
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✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
Yes it was:
https://www.twitch.tv/zenimaxonlinestudios/v/28255517
Forward to 0:55.
Edited by Sharee on March 27, 2016 2:24PM12 -
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✭We should know soon what next PVP update is going to be. Its been 7 month or so since IC. I personally hope they improve Cyrodil because thats where I see growth, Arena is just boring what every single dev does these days, not to mention all the crap what comes with it, Cyrodil again is quite unique in the game industry, so improving it would be definitely better choice.Edited by Sausage on March 27, 2016 2:26PM2 -
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✭✭Ty @Sharee for taking the time out of your day. Be nice if there was an index somewhere to these episodes.Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
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Great selling point. Stop using it as an argument when the game obviously can't handle it.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Isnt this what people have been waiting for? I dont see a single thread about the announcement. Arenas and battlegrounds are being worked on and are coming. Discuss.
Pretty sure hardly anyone wants arenas, that is a tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny percentage of people that are stuck in the 4 v 4 mentality from 1995. Battlegrounds would be fine, but arenas ruined pvp in several games ALREADY, putting them in here would be a dire mistake. Especially when the whole pvp selling point in this game was large scale battles and a fluid battleground.
The game handled it actually quite well before they changed it from client side to server side. ( Or was it the other way around? Who knows ). Still, we do not under any circumstances need arenas in this game, it ruined pvp in swtor, it ruined pvp in wow and it ruined pvp in many other mmos as well. Arenas are literally a cancer on mmo pvp.
Couldn't agree more. It's cancer. And we already have the first premade issue post.4 -
Steel_Brightblade✭✭✭✭Well that will be a nail in the games coffin, wonder how long it will be before the game does once arenas are put in, all for a loud minority. Think of all the current whines about balance that have caused the nerfs to the system which many refer to as "the good old days when pvp was great" this will dramatically increase with arenas and just make everything worse.3
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✭✭✭✭✭" Still, we do not under any circumstances need arenas in this game, it ruined pvp in swtor, it ruined pvp in wow and it ruined pvp in many other mmos as well. Arenas are literally a cancer on mmo pvp."
so glad I am not the only one that see this.
how did it kill them? not like people have to play them
Comes down to balancing. Then if they offer rewards for the small scale, it becomes a quicker farm.1 -
swirve✭✭✭✭Sugaroverdose wrote: »
Did they announce that CP will be reworked? Changes in TG made them a complete joke: everyone have 20+ % damage reduction and 26% damage increase, armor now is not more than costume for sets, sustain is not more than +10 secs of living.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Isnt this what people have been waiting for? I dont see a single thread about the announcement. Arenas and battlegrounds are being worked on and are coming. Discuss.
Without fixing CP system to allow people to make unique builds, battleground will have "who shoots first - win" mechanics as well as cyrodiil now.
PS: This situation reminds me almost a year of complete imbalance in Destiny, when pvp was overruned by people with "Thorn" which guarantees you that two shots will kill your target, in result - huge amount of people just dropped the game instead of waiting for "september patch" announced in may or something like that
"We know that balance is piece of cr*ap, but hey, we have cool dlc incoming, wait for additional 3-5 month and we'll try fix it"©Bungie
"Working as intended, and yes, Wrobel wasn't fired for that"©ZOS
Don't really know what's better.
I was around during the destiny handcannon meta. I used an AR solo at that time and had no probs and i dont know anyone who dropprd the game because of it. It did however make low skilled players less rubbish and top players like triplewreck standard more of a pain. I think the squad vs solo matchmaking made it more of a problem with supers spamming this meant low skilled players got battered on / camped.
@SugaroverdoseEdited by swirve on March 27, 2016 2:39PM0 -
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »They've been saying this for a while. What's your point?
They have never verified before today that battlegrounds and arenas are in active development. Its only been rumor from the player base. If you mean before IC came out when the mentioned smaller battles they were talking about IC.
Yes they have. Go back a few episodes.
Ive watched every one of them. They never once said arenas nor battlegrounds were in development. Honestly I cant even find one they mention arenas or battlegrounds by name at all.
Well you're wrong because they have said it.6 -
PURPLE245✭✭✭why are people saying fix cyro cant you see its never goin to happen? only thing i see is it getting worse and its the damn players causing that lag go on when there servers are like 3 bars and then go on when they are all pop locked like what do you expect when you have like 3 full 24 man raid all in one place and that just one fraction nvm the other like 3 24 man raid fighting them lmao people actually thing they will that with get fixed LOL never ik they advertised large scale pvp but they did not advertise 3 full raids fighting another 3 full raids in smale balls they advertised like 24 v 24 at one keep then another like 24 v 24 at another keep not like every single damn player in that fraction at all at one keep in a little ball with like 30 dets goin off with all the bols ect ect ect just face it its not goin to get fixed unless the players stopp putting like 2+ full raids together dont the people doing that notice what they are doing because you can go on trueflame when its like 2-3 bars and you can have some pretty large fight and the lag is no way near as bad i mean i was getting like 40 fps but my ping was at pretty good not compare to when there server are poplocked and all them raids running all together it just wont get fixed with that kinda trash running aroundEdited by PURPLE245 on March 27, 2016 2:47PM↓♛The Fam♛↓¯\_(ツ)_/¯AD/High Elf-NB=Chip-D-I-P-SAD/High Elf-Sorc=Why PlayAD/High Elf-Templar=Star BucksAD/High Elf-DK=D-I-P-SDC/Orc-DK=Super NubAD/Wood Elf-Templar=L M A OAD/Wood Elf-NB=ßoßAD/Wood Elf-sorc=TarzanEP/Argonian-dk=Swimming Like A SharkPC☜═㋡630+cp ㋡═☞EUUser ID=@PURPLE970 -
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✭There has been a lot of mostly talk about Justice PvP, not duels. edit: on the forum
Although many of those that want Justice PvP (around 70%of the playerbase) will be thrilled by PvP arenas, I could not care less.
I just wanted to be a cop.Edited by Dubhliam on March 27, 2016 2:59PM1 -
Genomic✭✭✭✭✭Steel_Brightblade wrote: »Well that will be a nail in the games coffin, wonder how long it will be before the game does once arenas are put in, all for a loud minority. Think of all the current whines about balance that have caused the nerfs to the system which many refer to as "the good old days when pvp was great" this will dramatically increase with arenas and just make everything worse.
A couple of years ago I read an article written by an experienced MMO dev that basically said this. That once arenas are added to an MMO, balance becomes a major and constant problem that affects all other aspects of gameplay (as your favourite build in PvE is constantly being tweaked and nerfed in order to appease the clamouring for class balance for arenas). Can't remember who exactly wrote the article or where it was published, but I remember it being well written and some solid arguments.
To counter this issue, ZOS perhaps could have separate PvP and PvE builds on a single char that can be switched as required.
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✭I believe that a 1v1 friendly arena locked to the faction ( so only people from the same faction can join) + some War Battlegrounds 3v3v3 5v5v5 where all the faction are in and some where only 2 factions are in 2v2 4v4 will be great .
Deathmach, capture the point, capture and bring home the flag, siege the Tower, Defend the town ( like a tower defence where you need to place NPC to help, both sides) .and a lot more can be added.
It will be Great but the only thing they have to keep is the Cyrodiil war theme where the tree factions fightEdited by Tonnopesce on March 27, 2016 3:08PMSignature2 -
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✭✭✭There has been a lot of mostly talk about Justice PvP, not duels. edit: on the forum
Although many of those that want Justice PvP (around 70%of the playerbase) will be thrilled by PvP arenas, I could not care less.
I just wanted to be a cop.
Right. The majority. Just like people said in other mmo forums and pvp committed suicide shortly after implementation. It's a tiny fraction of a percent that want or would be happy about arenas.0 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
Yes it was:
https://www.twitch.tv/zenimaxonlinestudios/v/28255517
Forward to 0:55.
Nowhere does he say they are in production. He only says they are in the long term plans. So while yes I was wrong he did mention battlegrounds it clearly was not said anything but that they were only in the planning stage.Edited by jamesharv2005ub17_ESO on March 27, 2016 3:16PM3 -
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✭✭✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »They've been saying this for a while. What's your point?
They have never verified before today that battlegrounds and arenas are in active development. Its only been rumor from the player base. If you mean before IC came out when the mentioned smaller battles they were talking about IC.
Yes they have. Go back a few episodes.
Ive watched every one of them. They never once said arenas nor battlegrounds were in development. Honestly I cant even find one they mention arenas or battlegrounds by name at all.
Well you're wrong because they have said it.
I was not wrong. They mentioned battlegrounds one time and never said they were in development. Only that they were part of the long term plan. Thats it. Nowhere did he say they were in active development hence the announcement on this week's ESO live.1 -
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✭✭✭There has been a lot of mostly talk about Justice PvP, not duels. edit: on the forum
Although many of those that want Justice PvP (around 70%of the playerbase) will be thrilled by PvP arenas, I could not care less.
I just wanted to be a cop.
How do you get to that 70% of the playerbase number?1 -
Killa4hire89✭✭Wow, all you snowflakes whining because your OP FOTM build may get nerfed in the name of balance. Balance is a good thing. The only people not wanting arenas, duels, or frankly any kind of small scale PvP are zerglings and pugs. People have asked for it and it is a good change. Pve'ers and zerglings need to [snip]
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✭✭✭They already nerf builds practically every patch. Wont be any different with arenas.1 -
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I wouldn't have said it exactly like this but you make a fair point.Killa4hire89 wrote: »Wow, all you snowflakes whining because your OP FOTM build may get nerfed in the name of balance. Balance is a good thing. The only people not wanting arenas, duels, or frankly any kind of small scale PvP are zerglings and pugs. People have asked for it and it is a good change. Pve'ers and zerglings need to [snip]
OP everyone already knew about this being in development your late so that's why you don't see any threads on it.
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