why no underwater gameplay ?

mysterious · March 2016

From morrowind to skyrim . there has been underwater gameplay in which we have monsters and sunken ship to explore. the good reason for being argonian. Elder scrolls online is a big game. And its an MMO. i am not comparing it with other TES. But dont you guys think a big feature is lacking that we cannot go underwater ?

is there any possibility they will implement in future ? or the build of this game is not compatible for underwater gameplay.

KhajiitiLizard · March 2016

Because some abilities and whole weapon types would just not work underwater. Target based aoe just doesn't work well in an environment where it needs to worry about the Z axis.

It's why GW2 has separate underwater weapons.

imnotanother · March 2016

I miss searching for pearls while dodging slaughterfish.

Thevampirenight · March 2016

I do agree with you, its something they should have added. I liked oblivion there was this cave that had a hostile argonion tribe living in it that cave was mostly underwater with few breathing areas as I recall, and there was this part of the thieves guild questline or mages guild not sure but I think it was theives guild that required you to fight a huge slaughter fish while swiming in murky water to get to another area, I miss underwater content and was very disapointed in the quality of it lacking in skyrim. Morrowind had foes and underwater stuff as well. I want to one day be able to go down and swim to an underwater argonionin village, become a wereshark and all kinds of cool new content hopefully that they will add, also the swimming animation in this game is terrible they need to make a better one.

Lexxypwns · March 2016

mysterious wrote: »

From morrowind to skyrim . there has been underwater gameplay in which we have monsters and sunken ship to explore. the good reason for being argonian. Elder scrolls online is a big game. And its an MMO. i am not comparing it with other TES. But dont you guys think a big feature is lacking that we cannot go underwater ?

is there any possibility they will implement in future ? or the build of this game is not compatible for underwater gameplay.

Because

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mysterious · March 2016

Lexxypwns wrote: »

mysterious wrote: »

From morrowind to skyrim . there has been underwater gameplay in which we have monsters and sunken ship to explore. the good reason for being argonian. Elder scrolls online is a big game. And its an MMO. i am not comparing it with other TES. But dont you guys think a big feature is lacking that we cannot go underwater ?

is there any possibility they will implement in future ? or the build of this game is not compatible for underwater gameplay.

Because

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Vaoh · March 2016

The game engine cannot handle it. Would be cool for sure, but we can live without it.

Volkodav · March 2016

mysterious wrote: »

From morrowind to skyrim . there has been underwater gameplay in which we have monsters and sunken ship to explore. the good reason for being argonian. Elder scrolls online is a big game. And its an MMO. i am not comparing it with other TES. But dont you guys think a big feature is lacking that we cannot go underwater ?

is there any possibility they will implement in future ? or the build of this game is not compatible for underwater gameplay.

I konw! We used to have quests about hunting pearls,and killing Dreugh underwater too.Those Slaughterfish go without saying.

Volkodav · March 2016

Doncellius wrote: »

The game engine cannot handle it. Would be cool for sure, but we can live without it.

Sure the game engine could handle it.If it cant,they need a new one.Other games have underwater fighting and gathering.Even old timey WoW does.

Marcosyn11 · March 2016

It would be fantastic to have underwater exploration! It's something that I really want in this game, it would bring immersion because it's natural that while I'm swimming I want to dive and explore deep waters. This aspect is in others Elder Scrolls games that are older than ESO so I think the engine can handle, the problem here is that it must be difficult to implement. Maybe ZOS will put this feature later with a DLC or maybe an expansion, who knows.

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO · March 2016

I recall the devs saying something about it being too much work.

LostScot · March 2016

Doncellius wrote: »

The game engine cannot handle it. Would be cool for sure, but we can live without it.

And you base this false claim on what supposed evidence?

Volkodav · March 2016

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO wrote: »

I recall the devs saying something about it being too much work.

If it's too much work,how come they can make new motifs and such? They could do it,if they wanted do.

Niaver · March 2016

I was really dissapointed back in the beta when i realised there's no underwater world in the game.
But hey... we even't cant walk on the roofs in old locations, that's how the world is built in the game.

khele23eb17_ESO · March 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO wrote: »

I recall the devs saying something about it being too much work.

If it's too much work,how come they can make new motifs and such? They could do it,if they wanted do.

Expanding the world by a quarter or a 5th (areas with water), redoing most skills to include the Z axis and making sense under water (underwater fireballs? underwater lightning bolts?), adding swimming combat animations for weapons, replacing some weapons completely (bows, 2h weapons), yea... I dont think you can compare that with adding a new costume to the cash shop.

Volkodav · March 2016

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO wrote: »

I recall the devs saying something about it being too much work.

If it's too much work,how come they can make new motifs and such? They could do it,if they wanted do.

Expanding the world by a quarter or a 5th (areas with water), redoing most skills to include the Z axis and making sense under water (underwater fireballs? underwater lightning bolts?), adding swimming combat animations for weapons, replacing some weapons completely (bows, 2h weapons), yea... I dont think you can compare that with adding a new costume to the cash shop.

In Morrowind we used swords,daggers,and even bows underwater,and it was a measley single person game. I am talking about the motifs you craft ingame.To make new styles of armor.That's quite a bit of work there.

khele23eb17_ESO · March 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO wrote: »

I recall the devs saying something about it being too much work.

If it's too much work,how come they can make new motifs and such? They could do it,if they wanted do.

Expanding the world by a quarter or a 5th (areas with water), redoing most skills to include the Z axis and making sense under water (underwater fireballs? underwater lightning bolts?), adding swimming combat animations for weapons, replacing some weapons completely (bows, 2h weapons), yea... I dont think you can compare that with adding a new costume to the cash shop.

In Morrowind we used swords,daggers,and even bows underwater,and it was a measley single person game. I am talking about the motifs you craft ingame.To make new styles of armor.That's quite a bit of work there.

How do you use a bow under water? Seriously, that makes no sense. Daggers, swords are OK but only for stabbing and most current animations are of the swingy sort. Making new styles of armor still isnt comparable to what I described. Making underwater content is like creating a separate game within the already existing game.

Agobi · March 2016

I think in the business its called "taking the easy way out"

As in...*oh..underwater ? Yea lets just not add that*

Abra · March 2016

fishing master achievement underwater- no thx lol

tinythinker · March 2016

Did someone ask for an awesome way to do original and fun underwater content that could be added as part of any zone, old or new? That addresses the problems the devs mentioned last year with the idea on ESO Live and has a cool combat system that is for underwater areas only? Got ya covered!

Xendyn · March 2016

It was on an ESO Live, something about having to work in 3 dimensions rather than 2? Same for flying mounts.

It was a while ago.

BlackEar · March 2016

Because Argonians would be even more OP. We do not need that.

Glaiceana · March 2016

It would be nice to have the ability to swim underwater. But yes I do believe they said it won't be happening on an ESO Live episode.

tinythinker · March 2016

Glaiceana wrote: »

It would be nice to have the ability to swim underwater. But yes I do believe they said it won't be happening on an ESO Live episode.

They said it wasn't on the list of projects the are working on so that people wouldn't tune in and think that it was a preview episode, not that they would never do it. It was the first in what was supposed to be an Arm Chair Developer series to discuss popular player suggestions and give a sense for how much work would go into them.

damtotb16_ESO · March 2016

Want to duel Argonian underwater

Keep_Door · March 2016

Please no, never add this . Underwater levels are always the worst weither its mario, sonic, zelda or WoW i hate them all.

Artheiron · March 2016

indie devs can do what zos can't do. underwater is one of them. when we asked them about it they said "underwater! wow! such work, much resources, very efford" I'm still not buying any of these. I can understand why spellcrafting never released, but... being able code a player character to walk and holding a torch doesn't take a master's degree in computer science at MIT. 12 yo's can do that these days. Underwater is hard to do, player housing meh coming soonish-maybe, spellcrafting on backburner, justice system's pvp cancelled.

Not sure if they lack resources or vision. imo it's the vision. they have none.

kalimar44 · March 2016

It's funny that EverQuest a MMO that came out in 1999 had underwater fighting and exploration, and it was actually fun.

Nirnroot · March 2016

Doncellius wrote: »

The game engine cannot handle it. Would be cool for sure, but we can live without it.

i can't

TheShadowScout · March 2016

Why no underwater? Because they decided it would not be worth the effort to code.
Yeah, it would have been nice.
Yeah, I loved underwater in other TES games.
Yeah, I would consider it a neat improvement to ESO.
Yeah, I kinda wish someday they might refit it to the current game.
Yeah, I'd gladly pay for a whole DLC to get such a refit.

Do I think that's likely to happen? Not anytime soon if at all.

But who knows what the future may bring, in a few years... maybe...

danno8 · March 2016

GW2 has some of the best underwater combat of any mmo.

And most people can't wait to get out of the water and back on land where the "real" action is.

You are not going to keep existing customers or draw in new ones with underwater action. It would be a terrible cost/payoff ratio.

I'm not against it, but there is a reason it's not there.