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PVP Daily Rewards are nice...but are they too easy to acquire?
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Eshelmen✭✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »
Okay but why should ZOS cater to those kinds of guilds specifically?
Because those guilds are done gearing up now, bored, and want to turn off the spigot for everyone else to prolong their dominance. This is skyreach catacombs all over again.
And yet you spent the last hour on this thread when you could have been working for your set. Lol come on Yolo! No more excuses! Get that set you want mang!
Don't hate the player, hate the game
Btw, this economy is ruined regardless of this patch anyways.
Any semi-intelligent VR16 player would probably never dish out such prices from those type of guilds that hoard and sell .
If anything, consider this thread a heads up instead of a negative thing. I'm letting you know it isn't that hard to acquire what you want in the new rewards system.Edited by Eshelmen on March 25, 2016 11:38PMPC and PS4 EP only player0 -
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✭✭It's not a complaint nor a kudos thread, just an observation.
In the title of the thread, you are complaining that it is "too easy" - you really prefer pvp rewards filled with lots of useless stuff?
Players who participate in a lot of endgame PVE content have always acquired dropped set items relatively frequently, while those who primarily spend time in PVP got mostly decon stuff until recently. This is a change for the better.
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There is a difference between an observation and a complaint.IcyDeadPeople wrote: »It's not a complaint nor a kudos thread, just an observation.
In the title of the thread, you are complaining that it is "too easy" - you really prefer pvp rewards filled with lots of useless stuff?
Players that participate in a lot of endgame PVE content have always acquired dropped set items relatively frequently, while those who primarily spend time in PVP got mostly decon stuff until recently. This is a change for the better.
My point is- that TG patch requires far less work now and will require far less to do later on down the road.(PVP side at least)
Sure it's good now, but don't cry to Zeni when you've got nothing else to work for. Not saying you would personally, just saying in general.Edited by Eshelmen on March 25, 2016 11:40PMPC and PS4 EP only player0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »
Okay but why should ZOS cater to those kinds of guilds specifically?
Because those guilds are done gearing up now, bored, and want to turn off the spigot for everyone else to prolong their dominance. This is skyreach catacombs all over again.
And yet you've spent the last hour on this thread when you've could have been working for your set.
It's either you're in one of these guilds or you just don't PVP much. Which is it?
Don't hate the player, hate the game
Come back when you actually start addressing the substance of my arguments instead of just making personal attacks.
The title of your post claims you think the drop rate of PvP items is too high. This implies that a correction (read: nerf to drop rates or trash gear dilution) should take place. An observation ceases to be a mere observation when you know it will be interpreted as a policy suggestion. I am explaining the disadvantages for the economy and for more casual players if such a correction did take place.
So far, beside all of your Ad hominem, the only rhetoric I could possibly count as responsive to mine is that everyone should play more and PvP more and if everyone did that, they would have all the gear then ever needed.
So what happens if ZOS reads this and knee-jerk nerfs the PvP rewards into oblivion? Now the people who are just starting PvP or just getting to V16 will have to grind twice or maybe even ten times as hard as you did due to the nerf. All while fighting against better geared players that had the advantage of better gear they farmed at a lower drop rate.
So new players have to work harder to catch up, while old players say "Grind it like I did newbs!" Except that they didn't grind as hard because it wasn't nerfed initially.
That's the EXACT SAME THING that happened with champion points. All those players saying, "put in your time, and you can be as good as me" ground up CP in skyreach when enlightenment was bugged. This is just another way to create power castes in PvP. Which is great if you are on the top and get pleasure out of farming new and lesser geared players but is detrimental to the PvP community over time as frustrated people drop out and less players decreases the health of the game and the amount of attention ZOS begrudgingly gives to PvP.Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on March 25, 2016 11:45PM2 -
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There is a difference between an observation and a complaint.IcyDeadPeople wrote: »It's not a complaint nor a kudos thread, just an observation.
In the title of the thread, you are complaining that it is "too easy" - you really prefer pvp rewards filled with lots of useless stuff?
Players that participate in a lot of endgame PVE content have always acquired dropped set items relatively frequently, while those who primarily spend time in PVP got mostly decon stuff until recently. This is a change for the better.
My point is- that TG patch requires far less work now and will require far less to do later on down the road.(PVP side at least)
Sure it's good now, but don't cry to Zeni when you've got nothing else to work for. Not saying you would personally, just saying in general.
If you spend all day running veteran dungeons and trials, you will accumulate a fair bit of useful gear. Why should spending all day in PVP be any different?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭One of the reasons I play RPGs is because I enjoy character building and progression elements. I actually enjoyed building V16 sets in 2.1 and 2.2 more than gear progression in other major patches.
So it's a bit disappointing the new sets are so common. At least the jewellery is rare to make it somewhat interesting.
It's easy to see the direction the wind is blowing for this game. It's an RPG-lite. Years ago, we referred to games like this as adventure games as they were unworthy of being referred to as RPGs.Edited by zyk on March 25, 2016 11:51PM1 -
Eshelmen✭✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »
Okay but why should ZOS cater to those kinds of guilds specifically?
Because those guilds are done gearing up now, bored, and want to turn off the spigot for everyone else to prolong their dominance. This is skyreach catacombs all over again.
And yet you've spent the last hour on this thread when you've could have been working for your set.
It's either you're in one of these guilds or you just don't PVP much. Which is it?
Don't hate the player, hate the game
Come back when you actually start addressing the substance of my arguments instead of just making personal attacks.
The title of your post claims you think the drop rate of PvP items is too high. This implies that a correction (read: nerf to drop rates or trash gear dilution) should take place. An observation ceases to be a mere observation when you know it will be interpreted as a policy suggestion. I am explaining the disadvantages for the economy and for more casual players if such a correction did take place.
So far, beside all of your Ad hominem, the only rhetoric I could possibly count as responsive to mine is that everyone should play more and PvP more and if everyone did that, they would have all the gear then ever needed.
So what happens if ZOS reads this and knee-jerk nerfs the PvP rewards into oblivion? Now the people who are just starting PvP or just getting to V16 will have to grind twice or maybe even ten times as hard as you did due to the nerf. All the while you have an advantage of better gear that you farmed at a lower drop rate.
So new players have to work harder to catch up, while old players say "Grind it like I did newbs!" Except that they didn't grind as hard because it wasn't nerfed initially.
That's the EXACT SAME THING that happened with champion points. All those players saying, "put in your time, and you can be as good as me" ground up CP in skyreach when enlightenment was bugged. This is just another way to create power castes in PvP.
I was hoping you wouldn't be so sensitive to this little qualm we're having. But so be it. Personal attacks? Spare me.
I understand what this thread is, I made it. And for all the new players, who cares? How much easier do you want them to have it? Really? Unless you're a new player yourself, which you are not, you're actually defending them in terms of grinding for the end of the road(aka end game gear)?
I prefer that Zeni nerfs these drops. This whole new cycle is absolutely lazy if you asked me.
Farming is 5x faster now. XP and AP comes at a much higher rate and now good pvp sets are coming in at a much higher rate than ever before. Don't come to my thread telling me that my thread is the issue here. It's these extremely liberal and open minded theories, just like yours(everyone matters crap), that makes the newbies win and get what they want every damn time.
There I said it.
It needs a nerf. For the third time, YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE a hard core PvPer to see it.
Two hours of PVP today and I acquired 3 VD pieces(All different!) and 2 other set pieces that were half way decent.
Don't tell me that what I'm saying isn't an issue.
This is turning in to a Call of Duty casual gaming style nightmare.
Sure, let's pretty much give everyone access to the VD sets. Sure! Let's pump up the damage in zerg buster abilities such as Proxy Det!
Sure! Let's lower the rank requirements for getting these abilities. Sure let's give them more AP for doing less!
Open your eyes man.
Last but not least- I could care less about guilds that I have no contact with, that hoard and sell. The economy and this game will go on with or with out them. If anything, this thread should be a heads up for everyone who doesn't PVP often, to get in there for a bit and grab what items they needed/wanted. Because clearly, it isn't hard to do any more.
Edited by Eshelmen on March 26, 2016 12:17AMPC and PS4 EP only player3 -
Eshelmen✭✭✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »
There is a difference between an observation and a complaint.IcyDeadPeople wrote: »It's not a complaint nor a kudos thread, just an observation.
In the title of the thread, you are complaining that it is "too easy" - you really prefer pvp rewards filled with lots of useless stuff?
Players that participate in a lot of endgame PVE content have always acquired dropped set items relatively frequently, while those who primarily spend time in PVP got mostly decon stuff until recently. This is a change for the better.
My point is- that TG patch requires far less work now and will require far less to do later on down the road.(PVP side at least)
Sure it's good now, but don't cry to Zeni when you've got nothing else to work for. Not saying you would personally, just saying in general.
If you spend all day running veteran dungeons and trials, you will accumulate a fair bit of useful gear. Why should spending all day in PVP be any different?
Just personal choice I suppose.
I pvp about 60% of my time on ESO.
I did enjoy the trial however.PC and PS4 EP only player1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It's these extremely liberal and open minded theories, just like yours(Everyone matters crap), that makes the newbies win and get what they want every damn time.
There I said it.
Yep, you have said it. You don't want new players to have nice things without working extra hard. Even though the old players at this point got all the nice things also without working hard.
You want something, anything that gives older, more established players significant advantages over newer players. Even though a lot of new players have already gotten all their gear, turning off the spigot now will at least give you someone to feel superior to - which will help internally justify your time investment in this game.
In any other MMO, where the combat and gear system is riddled with RNG and based on stats, I would agree with you. But in this game (sans lag) the combat system is so dynamic and nuanced that we can actually have MMO combat based on player skill instead of just seniority, gear dominance, and RNG.
Back in my day we had to walk to school up hill both ways to get endgame gear! Now these young whippersnappers can get geared up in a matter of weeks. It ain't fair I tellz ya!
Except you didn't walk up hill both ways. All you had to do was blob up and mash prox det. The "new group" of "old players" includes anyone who started PvPing when the TG update came out. This means you don't really care who is in what group as long as there is someone lower than you to step on.
This game and its combat system is better than that.Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on March 26, 2016 12:23AM2 -
Eshelmen✭✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »
Yep, you have said it. You don't want new players to have nice things without working extra hard. Even though the old players at this point got all the nice things also without working hard.It's these extremely liberal and open minded theories, just like yours(Everyone matters crap), that makes the newbies win and get what they want every damn time.
There I said it.
You want something, anything that gives older, more established players significant advantages over newer players. Even though a lot of new players have already gotten all their gear, turning off the spigot now will at least give you someone to feel superior to - which will help internally justify your time investment in this game.
In any other MMO, where the combat and gear system is riddled with RNG and based on stats, I would agree with you. But in this game (sans lag) the combat system is so dynamic and nuanced that we can actually have MMO combat based on player skill instead of just seniority, gear dominance, and RNG.
Back in my day we had to walk to school up hill both ways to get endgame gear! Now these young whippersnappers can get geared up in a matter of weeks. It ain't fair I tellz ya!
Except you didn't walk up hill both ways. All do had to do was blob up and mash prox det. The "new group" of "old players" includes anyone who started PvPing when the TG update came out. This means you don't really care who is in what group as long as there is someone lower than you to step on.
This game and its combat system is better than that.
Your assumptions are absolutely ridiculous.
I never said newbies shouldn't have the chance to have what we vets have. I'm saying no one(including us vets) should be getting these sets at such an accelerated rate. I think Zeni truly messed up on these drop rates.
You want everyone to have zerg buster sets that requires no skill invovled out on the battlefield? Because that's what is happening and it's growing at an alarming rate. With in 1 month, everyone who actually likes to PVP and wants these, should have or be well with in reach of having these sets.
For one, I don't use proxy det or the other one. There is zero skill required to tap a button with proxy det and run into a zerg and absolutely destroy everyone while wearing a VD set. Absolutely zero skill involved at all. If anything, this dumbs down the "skill" required in Cyrodiil.
Edited by Eshelmen on March 26, 2016 12:31AMPC and PS4 EP only player0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »It's these extremely liberal and open minded theories, just like yours(Everyone matters crap), that makes the newbies win and get what they want every damn time.
There I said it.
Yep, you have said it. You don't want new players to have nice things without working extra hard. Even though the old players at this point got all the nice things also without working hard.
You want something, anything that gives older, more established players significant advantages over newer players. Even though a lot of new players have already gotten all their gear, turning off the spigot now will at least give you someone to feel superior to - which will help internally justify your time investment in this game.
In any other MMO, where the combat and gear system is riddled with RNG and based on stats, I would agree with you. But in this game (sans lag) the combat system is so dynamic and nuanced that we can actually have MMO combat based on player skill instead of just seniority, gear dominance, and RNG.
Back in my day we had to walk to school up hill both ways to get endgame gear! Now these young whippersnappers can get geared up in a matter of weeks. It ain't fair I tellz ya!
Except you didn't walk up hill both ways. All do had to do was blob up and mash prox det. The "new group" of "old players" includes anyone who started PvPing when the TG update came out. This means you don't really care who is in what group as long as there is someone lower than you to step on.
This game and its combat system is better than that.
Your assumptions are absolutely ridiculous.
For one, I don't use proxy det or the other one.
You're assuming things that I have no clue where you're getting your info from.
Just stop.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
Go in to Cyrodiil and maybe your stubborness will fade away. Hopefully. Crosses fingers.
Maybe you should leave cyrodiil occasionally and go take a debate class. Arguing with you is tedious because you ignore the substance of all of my arguments and just make personal attacks. Nowhere in your cherry picking pettifoggery did you even address my concerns about the health of PvP (which like it or not depends on new players), the health of the economy (which you just dismissed entirely without any direct refutation), or the unfairness to new players if everyone up to this point was able to get new gear easily then suddenly no one else was. You clearly only care about yourself, and you have gotten what you want already. Now you are trying to stop the gravy train for everyone else.Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on March 26, 2016 12:33AM0 -
Eshelmen✭✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »It's these extremely liberal and open minded theories, just like yours(Everyone matters crap), that makes the newbies win and get what they want every damn time.
There I said it.
Yep, you have said it. You don't want new players to have nice things without working extra hard. Even though the old players at this point got all the nice things also without working hard.
You want something, anything that gives older, more established players significant advantages over newer players. Even though a lot of new players have already gotten all their gear, turning off the spigot now will at least give you someone to feel superior to - which will help internally justify your time investment in this game.
In any other MMO, where the combat and gear system is riddled with RNG and based on stats, I would agree with you. But in this game (sans lag) the combat system is so dynamic and nuanced that we can actually have MMO combat based on player skill instead of just seniority, gear dominance, and RNG.
Back in my day we had to walk to school up hill both ways to get endgame gear! Now these young whippersnappers can get geared up in a matter of weeks. It ain't fair I tellz ya!
Except you didn't walk up hill both ways. All do had to do was blob up and mash prox det. The "new group" of "old players" includes anyone who started PvPing when the TG update came out. This means you don't really care who is in what group as long as there is someone lower than you to step on.
This game and its combat system is better than that.
Your assumptions are absolutely ridiculous.
For one, I don't use proxy det or the other one.
You're assuming things that I have no clue where you're getting your info from.
Just stop.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
Go in to Cyrodiil and maybe your stubborness will fade away. Hopefully. Crosses fingers.
Maybe you should leave cyrodiil occasionally and go take a debate class. Arguing with you is tedious because you ignore the substance of all of my arguments and just make personal attacks. Nowhere in your cherry picking pettifoggery did you even address my concerns about the health of PvP (which like it or not depends on new players), the health of the economy (which you just dismissed entirely without any direct refutation), or the unfairness to new players if everyone up to this point was able to get new gear easily then suddenly no one else was. You clearly only care about yourself, and you have gotten what you want already. Now you are trying to stop the gravy train for everyone else.
Maybe you should try growing some hair on those peaches before crying about petty things. (Fair trade of advice)
Anyone in the "outside world" wouldn't use this as a tactic for debates.
I've replied as best as I can to every piece of context you've implied. The relevant ones at least.
You're over paranoid about stuff that I didn't even mention anything about and has practically zero relevance to what I'm saying.
If anything, you're trying to insult my intelligence and ignore everything I said to keep your vibe going. I don't get it.
Edited by Eshelmen on March 26, 2016 12:41AMPC and PS4 EP only player1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Maybe you should try growing some hair on those peaches before crying about petty things.
For someone who ostensibly claims you don't want this game to turn into a "Call of Duty casual gaming style nightmare," you certainly know how to lower the quality of a discussion down to COD Standards.0 -
Eshelmen✭✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Maybe you should try growing some hair on those peaches before crying about petty things.
For someone who ostensibly claims you don't want this game to turn into a "Call of Duty casual gaming style nightmare," you certainly know how to lower the quality of a discussion down to COD Standards.
Oh go do your dailies or something. I was enjoying this discussion with you, until you played the pathetic "I'm a victim" role.
Hilarious and ineffective tactic. But I'll throw a golf clap your way anyways.
https://youtu.be/CP6v4T3VT7I[/yt] Edited by Eshelmen on March 26, 2016 12:58AMPC and PS4 EP only player0 -
not really. sure if you play 4 hrs a day your golden. but dont forget a huge portion of the player base may just pvp that much a week or even less. so for average/casual players it could still take months of playing.
and im glad i just bought jewelry pieces right away, with millions of ap i still got zero jewelry i wanted and only 2 with the traits i wanted, but wrong pieces so had to recraft some gear to make it work.1 -
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True, there will be players that may take a while to accrue this stuff.dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »not really. sure if you play 4 hrs a day your golden. but dont forget a huge portion of the player base may just pvp that much a week or even less. so for average/casual players it could still take months of playing.
and im glad i just bought jewelry pieces right away, with millions of ap i still got zero jewelry i wanted and only 2 with the traits i wanted, but wrong pieces so had to recraft some gear to make it work.
As for the new vendor-
200k ap or 99k gold isn't that bad IMO either. You going for VD set or something else?PC and PS4 EP only player0 -
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✭Yeah the nerf talk is getting very very old.Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.1 -
True, there will be players that may take a while to accrue this stuff.dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »not really. sure if you play 4 hrs a day your golden. but dont forget a huge portion of the player base may just pvp that much a week or even less. so for average/casual players it could still take months of playing.
and im glad i just bought jewelry pieces right away, with millions of ap i still got zero jewelry i wanted and only 2 with the traits i wanted, but wrong pieces so had to recraft some gear to make it work.
As for the new vendor-
200k ap or 99k gold isn't that bad IMO either. You going for VD set or something else?
vd for my magica build. too bad i spent all the cash and its free in the vendor now:(
but seriously if you think this is a problem you play too much.
if you will use just any junk trait, fine there is "too much" gear. the reality is its still 90% vendor junk because for the most part impen is the only piece worth running.
realistically you need millions upon millions of ap to gear out trait specific and jewelry= no its not tooo easy, its a long ass grind where you can easily get subpar placeholder pieces1 -
Necrelios✭✭✭✭✭I've been having a hard time getting anything decent from these rewards, so no, I do not think they are too easy to get. I can't speak for everyone, but probably for most people who can only jump into Cyrodiil for an hour or two here and there it's going to take them some time to get a full set with any decent traits.Terms & Conditions ["We revoke permission to fictional legal constructs or private/public persons for selling of any private data, censorship, surveillance, personage or conversion as a trespass of law. We prohibit the practice of "procedural law" or corporate statues in place of divine law."]1 -
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✭✭Oh for God's sake... People complain now that we don’t need to grind to hell and back?
I really don't understand forumites...5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭... Is OP serious with this thread? OP are you serious? Why in the world would you make this thread for?5 -
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✭You dont know the history of this game I suppose. ESO launch, players whine gear upgrades are too hard to get, Zen makes it easier. Zen added VR-gears, players whined, and soon after gears were scaled. Zen adds CP-system, players whine and CP-system gets nerfed.
I bet you havent maxed your Achievements yet? So grind those.Edited by Sausage on March 26, 2016 10:45AM3
