PVP Daily Rewards are nice...but are they too easy to acquire?

Eshelmen · March 2016

With in 2 days, literally every major person in my guild has the sets they want. Including VD.

I love the fact that nearly all of the reward pieces are useful to someone you know or just for yourself.

All in all, this TG update has made farming level 50 mats extremely quick and as well made getting good pvp sets pretty simple to get.

Where is the grind now? I feel Zeni gave us a huge break in this dlc but at the same time, it's basically the opposite of the whole grind for what you want theory now.

Is it just me or is this a little too easy to acquire this stuff now?

Let's also not pretend how much easier it is to grab AP. I'm getting 5k ticks on even small size skirmishes.

I think they just said "screw it, give em what they want".

lol

LadyNalcarya · March 2016

The problem with Zos is that they dont know middle grounds.
Almost all content is either too easy for average player or too hard.
Thieves boxes? Either insta-respawn or close no respawns at all.
Maelstrom weapons/Monster sets/IC dungeon sets? Can get them instantly or not get them in 500 runs.
Materials? Super scarce at the start (especially vr16 runes), now everyone's swimming in them.
The list goes on...

puffy99 · March 2016

balancing...yep not their forte'
at least all the gold temper and *** should come down. ridiculous pricing...

Francescolg · March 2016

TE, your perception of ESO might be wrong: Maelstrom Arena Master Weapons are still NOT EASY to get, as well as many other things, which are not easy (dungeons, the new trial, etc. etc.).

Getting materials for crafted weapon still takes very long, depending how your playstyle is! If you, for example, do only Wrothgar Bosses (every day/few hours), getting materials TAKES it's TIME, and it is far from "too fast". (not an assumption).
Even for the player, who plays just a few hours every day, farming materials for crafted armor takes it time!

Your point of view seems wrong to me!

Nestor · March 2016

I stopped doing Wrothgar Dailies because I was getting Blue VR15 Loot Drops all the time. Where has it become easier to get the drops?

pilsbury65 · March 2016

I must be doing something wrong as since the Xbox one Thieves Guild update I have found one Outlaw motif and one Treasure Trove........Runes on the other....plenty of them.

KG

Preyfar · March 2016

Nestor wrote: »

I stopped doing Wrothgar Dailies because I was getting Blue VR15 Loot Drops all the time. Where has it become easier to get the drops?

I've opened 30+ boxes, and not a single jewelry item drop, the motif levels on those boxes are REALLY low.

That said, finding mats now is insanely, ridiculously easy. I can just run around Hew's Ban and build a stack of everything in about 40-50 minutes. So much stuff spawns right next to each other that I often feel like a little Khajiit vacuum running around the country side picking up valuable trash.

Eshelmen · March 2016

Francescolg wrote: »

TE, your perception of ESO might be wrong: Maelstrom Arena Master Weapons are still NOT EASY to get, as well as many other things, which are not easy (dungeons, the new trial, etc. etc.).

Getting materials for crafted weapon still takes very long, depending how your playstyle is! If you, for example, do only Wrothgar Bosses (every day/few hours), getting materials TAKES it's TIME, and it is far from "too fast". (not an assumption).
Even for the player, who plays just a few hours every day, farming materials for crafted armor takes it time!

Your point of view seems wrong to me!

Not once did I mention PVE drops.

I'm clearly talking PVP rewards here.

Thanks.

DHale · March 2016

Silly, zos give too much good stuff. Makes up for the tons of post zos you don't give S. Appears that zos is only doing it right when no one is happy.

Mercurio · March 2016

hmmm...to easy or too hard, you say? That lines right up with the division of the playerbase into F2P (hard!) and paid (easy!).

The mythical "middle ground" of actual enjoyment would be how the game would be designed for a no-freemium subscription-based verion of the game, for all players.

This is a clear example of how F2P/B2P cash shop is the death of good game design.

GreenSoup2HoT · March 2016

Yes i'll have all my blue gear from Rewards of the Worthy.

However its still going to take me awhile to get purple quality jewelry from the Heist daily's. This is the only thing that will take me a long time to do.

Eshelmen · March 2016

Mercurio wrote: »

hmmm...to easy or too hard, you say? That lines right up with the division of the playerbase into F2P (hard!) and paid (easy!).

The mythical "middle ground" of actual enjoyment would be how the game would be designed for a no-freemium subscription-based verion of the game, for all players.

This is a clear example of how F2P/B2P cash shop is the death of good game design.

Well as a previous poster mentioned, getting drops like Molag Kena is really rare. So there is indeed sets that actually take a while to acquire.

Seriously though, go drop a few hours in Cyrodiil and you'll have atleast a few good pieces.
It's not a complaint nor a kudos thread, just an observation. With in a few weeks, grinding for the pvp rewards won't be needed anymore.

I wonder if there is a big change to Cyrodiil coming in next DLC? As if these frequent good rewards are more for preparing us for what's to come? Just a guess.

IcyDeadPeople · March 2016

Eshelmen wrote: »

With in 2 days, literally every major person in my guild has the sets they want. Including VD.

I love the fact that nearly all of the reward pieces are useful to someone you know or just for yourself.

All in all, this TG update has made farming level 50 mats extremely quick and as well made getting good pvp sets pretty simple to get.

Where is the grind now? I feel Zeni gave us a huge break in this dlc but at the same time, it's basically the opposite of the whole grind for what you want theory now.

Is it just me or is this a little too easy to acquire this stuff now?

Let's also not pretend how much easier it is to grab AP. I'm getting 5k ticks on even small size skirmishes.

I think they just said "screw it, give em what they want".

lol

These are supposed to be "Rewards for the Worthy" - contribute a bit in the alliance war and get some useful gear you can actually use for one of your characters. Why on earth do you want a return to "Rewards for the Deconstruction"?
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TequilaFire · March 2016

People never learn, now they will nerf everything so it takes six months to get drops and mats again. smh

Praeficere · March 2016

They're not too easy. Yes they drop a lot, however there's a lot more undesirable and junk pieces that make it so good and valued pieces take a lot longer to get by yourself. Let alone the jewellery drop rate.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · March 2016

DONT YOU EVEN DARE!!!!

This is what people said about the troves. Then no one saw any troves anywhere for a week and now ZOS has diluted the content in the troves to give more trash.

You know that ZOS always knee-jerk nerfs things to oblivion!!! WHY WOULD YOU EVEN SUGGEST THIS!?!?!?

Oh, I get it. If they nerf gear, then you and all of your buddies that horded all of the gear can then sell VD rings at even more ridiculous prices after the nerf hits. Now the top guilds that have already gotten their gear can get rich selling their cast-offs to everyone else that doesn't farm 600k AP per sesson.

Say no to boom bust economies!!!!!!!
Say no to boom bust economies!!!!!!!
Say no to boom bust economies!!!!!!!

#OccupyTamriel
#Stopthe1percent

Eshelmen · March 2016

@Yolokin_Swagonborn
I'd be more upset at the idiots who spend that much over the ones who sell it.

You don't need to be in the top 1 percent of this game to realize how insanely quick it is to acquire the new PVP sets that you want. All you need is a good guild who cares more about equipping their guildies over making a quick buck or two.

Eshelmen · March 2016

Praeficere wrote: »

They're not too easy. Yes they drop a lot, however there's a lot more undesirable and junk pieces that make it so good and valued pieces take a lot longer to get by yourself. Let alone the jewellery drop rate.

And this is true, but if you're in a guild that cares for everyone and not just a select few that you will pretty much be set on the set pieces you want in a matter of a week or two at most.

"Not going for VD set? Here's my extra marksman greaves, I'll trade you for this or that."

It's not that difficult.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · March 2016

Eshelmen wrote: »

Praeficere wrote: »

They're not too easy. Yes they drop a lot, however there's a lot more undesirable and junk pieces that make it so good and valued pieces take a lot longer to get by yourself. Let alone the jewellery drop rate.

And this is true, but if you're in a guild that cares for everyone and not just a select few that you will pretty much be set on the set pieces you want in a matter of a week or two at most.

"Not going for VD set? Here's my extra marksman greaves, I'll trade you for this or that."

It's not that difficult.

Not everyone is in a hardcore PvP guild. If ZOS nerfs gear now, then only the hardcore guild players will have all their gear. Solo players and players with less time to play will not only be at a further disadvantage fighting fully geared guilds, but it will take them even longer to gear thanks to the nerf.

I love it when I catch suggestions in the forums that are subtly designed to make established spamball guilds more powerful at the expense of everyone else.

"Yup, all geared up now, even got a few extra VD rings in the bank to sell, time to concern post on the forums and get everything nerfed so I can farm new and lesser geared players and make tons of gold selling gear that's now harder to get!."

Eshelmen · March 2016

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

Praeficere wrote: »

They're not too easy. Yes they drop a lot, however there's a lot more undesirable and junk pieces that make it so good and valued pieces take a lot longer to get by yourself. Let alone the jewellery drop rate.

And this is true, but if you're in a guild that cares for everyone and not just a select few that you will pretty much be set on the set pieces you want in a matter of a week or two at most.

"Not going for VD set? Here's my extra marksman greaves, I'll trade you for this or that."

It's not that difficult.

Not everyone is in a hardcore PvP guild. If ZOS nerfs gear now, then only the hardcore guild players will have all their gear. Solo players and players with less time to play will not only be at a further disadvantage fighting fully geared guilds, but it will take them even longer to gear thanks to the nerf.

I love it when I catch suggestions in the forums that are subtly designed to make established spamball guilds more powerful at the expense of everyone else.

"Yup, all geared up now, even got a few extra VD rings in the bank to sell, time to concern post on the forums and get everything nerfed so I can farm new players and make tons of gold selling gear that's now harder to get!."

What I'm suggesting would have been mentioned regardless. This isn't rocket science here. And you don't need a hard core pvp guild to get this done either. I mentioned that twice now.

If you're assuming hardcore pvp guilds are the only guilds that help their guildies out, then I feel sorry for your experiences.

Hope you find a better group to hang with.

As well! With what I'm saying, these values you speak of won't last long. I don't know anyone who would buy a stupid ring for 600k.
All you need is 100k ap and I guarantee youll get one or two pieces that you really really wanted.(Put that together with a few other guildies and you've all got atleast a great start to complete sets) 100k can be done in a few hours tops, especially with the changes in AP. This is common sense here.

Most people aren't as ridiculous or impulsive as you think. You're underestimating ESOs players here.

And uh, welcome to MMOs? Farming for gear at a high rate isn't anything new. You should know this.

One last thing to remember-
Let's not forget the new Weekend Vendor in Cyrodiil either that will be selling VD pieces in occasion too. I highly doubt they'll nerf This whole new system based on this post. Theyd have to pull out the vendor too or make him sell crap 99% of the time.

Chori · March 2016

Please find something else to complain about, the fact the sets are being given that way increases the will of people to play even thru all that lag PVP implies nowadays and I'm sure lots of peple agree with that.

I rather find lots of people playing PVP whether they are casuals or not.

Eshelmen · March 2016

Chori wrote: »

Please find something else to complain about, the fact the sets are being given that way increases the will of people to play even thru all that lag PVP implies nowadays and I'm sure lots of peple agree with that.
@Chori
I rather find lots of people playing PVP whether they are casuals or not.

Please actually read my post instead of assuming I'm complaining.

Thanks

Yolokin_Swagonborn · March 2016

Eshelmen wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

Praeficere wrote: »

They're not too easy. Yes they drop a lot, however there's a lot more undesirable and junk pieces that make it so good and valued pieces take a lot longer to get by yourself. Let alone the jewellery drop rate.

And this is true, but if you're in a guild that cares for everyone and not just a select few that you will pretty much be set on the set pieces you want in a matter of a week or two at most.

"Not going for VD set? Here's my extra marksman greaves, I'll trade you for this or that."

It's not that difficult.

Not everyone is in a hardcore PvP guild. If ZOS nerfs gear now, then only the hardcore guild players will have all their gear. Solo players and players with less time to play will not only be at a further disadvantage fighting fully geared guilds, but it will take them even longer to gear thanks to the nerf.

I love it when I catch suggestions in the forums that are subtly designed to make established spamball guilds more powerful at the expense of everyone else.

"Yup, all geared up now, even got a few extra VD rings in the bank to sell, time to concern post on the forums and get everything nerfed so I can farm new players and make tons of gold selling gear that's now harder to get!."

What I'm suggesting would have been mentioned regardless. This isn't rocket science here. And you don't need a hard core pvp guild to get this done either. I mentioned that twice now.

If you're assuming hardcore pvp guilds are the only guilds that help their guildies out, then I feel sorry for your experiences.

Hope you find a better group to hang with

What isn't rocket science is realizing that a nerf now would hurt new and less established PvP players and those that have less gaming time while consolidating power and wealth for established guilds. Forget the word hardcore. It is a silly word anyway.

It would also hurt PvE players buying these items on guild stores although we aren't supposed to care about them.

Perhaps you weren't around when ZOS nerfed warlock rings in the Aetherian Archive trials and certain trial guilds that had farmed them monopolized the entire market inflating prices to ridiculous levels.

There are people who just play this game for the economy. They don't quest, they don't raid, they don't PvP. They think this is freaking EVE or something. Any change to the rate of PvP gear at this point will start price speculation. This won't hurt the top players but will be miserable for everyone else.

Zyle · March 2016

The rate at which useful items drop is nowhere near "too easy" to acquire. You get a lot of trash items.

Eshelmen · March 2016

Zyle wrote: »

The rate at which useful items drop is nowhere near "too easy" to acquire. You get a lot of trash items.

For a solo player, sure.

But for a group of guildies? That chance just increases exponentially.

Preyfar · March 2016

I would just be happy getting Rewards for the Worthy bags. On one character I get them every 5K or so, on another I may get one every 30K.

Ackwalan · March 2016

So now that you have the gear you want, you want the chances to get it nerfed.

Eshelmen · March 2016

Ackwalan wrote: »

So now that you have the gear you want, you want the chances to get it nerfed.

Actually, I'm not going for any of the new sets. I'm quite satisfied with my Julianos, Willpower and Magnus sets.

Zyle · March 2016

Eshelmen wrote: »

Zyle wrote: »

The rate at which useful items drop is nowhere near "too easy" to acquire. You get a lot of trash items.

For a solo player, sure.

But for a group of guildies? That chance just increases exponentially.

Okay but why should ZOS cater to those kinds of guilds specifically?

Yolokin_Swagonborn · March 2016

Zyle wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

Zyle wrote: »

The rate at which useful items drop is nowhere near "too easy" to acquire. You get a lot of trash items.

For a solo player, sure.

But for a group of guildies? That chance just increases exponentially.

Okay but why should ZOS cater to those kinds of guilds specifically?

Because those guilds are done gearing up now, bored, and want to turn off the spigot for everyone else to prolong their dominance. This is skyreach catacombs all over again.

Eshelmen · March 2016

Zyle wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

Zyle wrote: »

The rate at which useful items drop is nowhere near "too easy" to acquire. You get a lot of trash items.

For a solo player, sure.

But for a group of guildies? That chance just increases exponentially.

Okay but why should ZOS cater to those kinds of guilds specifically?

What are you going on about now?
What are you talking about?

This game let's you have 5 guilds, not 2, not 3 nor 4, but 5 guilds! I would be extremely surprised that anyone who is a Vr16 and does PVP on occasion, is NOT involved with a decent pvp guild that does these things. And if they aren't, it's obvious the individual

Cater? Please. This is the opposite of catering to the good guilds who work their butts off, this is practically free stuff with minimal effort to acquire it by. This is either A: A chance for everyone to catch up or B: Breath of fresh air from all the grinding in the past.