reduce the population caps

_Chaos · March 2016

Waseem wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Why wouldn't they just use a third party (e.g. Punkbuster, NProtect etc)
If the lag was really just the anti bot coding, there are better solutions.

How many times have we reduced the population caps in Cyrodiil already? We can't keep doing that!

they dont feel like investing?
NProtect sucks tho..

I'm sure in the long run, a larger player base would do the company better. Their product longevity would increase tenfold.
NProtect and PB were examples, not suggestions.

frozywozy wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Why wouldn't they just use a third party (e.g. Punkbuster, NProtect etc)
If the lag was really just the anti bot coding, there are better solutions.

How many times have we reduced the population caps in Cyrodiil already? We can't keep doing that!

Why not? when all populations are 3bars, performances are amazing and we get great fights anyway without searching too much. This is what matters.

Cyrodiil was designed with a much larger population capacity in mind, the time it takes to find fights is already brutal and tedious. It's all about proportion. If they reduce the size of Cyro, get at me with lower pops, but as it is now I'd like to see them go through the coding inside and out to see what is causing (and increasing) latency with every patch. Sure we could keep lowering pops until all lag is gone, but at what point do we say it's not working anymore? It's been lowered, what, 4 times now? That's already a drastic decrease.

Lotheimas · March 2016

i think people dont realize that having 300 people on screen is what causes the lag..
The fps problem is not in zos end, get a better machine that can handle 2000 spell being cast at the same time + process shadows and textures... my pc doesnt handle it so i lower the setting to low when im pvping...

_Chaos · March 2016

Lotheimas wrote: »

The fps problem is not in zos end, get a better machine that can handle 2000 spell being cast at the same time .

You're one of those guys eh...

Play the game with a 4770+GTX 980 @ Medium, and when it still drops to <10 FPS come back and say sorry for being so ignorant.

I can play f)&(#king Ark Survival on Ultra, but not ESO on medium?
Yup! Must be my rig!

btw lag and FPS drops are two completely separate issues

Lava_Croft · March 2016

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Lotheimas wrote: »

The fps problem is not in zos end, get a better machine that can handle 2000 spell being cast at the same time .

You're one of those guys eh...
Play the game with a 4770+GTX 980 @ Medium, and when it still drops to <10 FPS come back and say sorry for being so ignorant.

I can play f)&(#king Ark Survival on Ultra, but not ESO on medium?
Yup! Must be my rig!

btw lag and FPS drops are two completely separate issues

Actually, networking latency can be related to frame rate drops.

Doesn't make the guy any less of a silly scrub though.

Lotheimas · March 2016

Why are you all such ***? sorry i was wrong didnt meant to talk bad about ur rig... but i dont know what to say to you people anymore! Just quit the game until they fix it...
I guess the game ir poorly optimized...

_Chaos · March 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Lotheimas wrote: »

The fps problem is not in zos end, get a better machine that can handle 2000 spell being cast at the same time .

You're one of those guys eh...
Play the game with a 4770+GTX 980 @ Medium, and when it still drops to <10 FPS come back and say sorry for being so ignorant.

I can play f)&(#king Ark Survival on Ultra, but not ESO on medium?
Yup! Must be my rig!

btw lag and FPS drops are two completely separate issues

Actually, networking latency can be related to frame rate drops.

Doesn't make the guy any less of a silly scrub though.

howtogeek.com/142193/htg-explains-why-lag-and-low-fps-arent-the-same-thing/
The only reason they're related is because usually when you have a lot of visuals to process, there's also that many more packets being sent back and forth.

Psilent · March 2016

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Lotheimas wrote: »

The fps problem is not in zos end, get a better machine that can handle 2000 spell being cast at the same time .

You're one of those guys eh...
Play the game with a 4770+GTX 980 @ Medium, and when it still drops to <10 FPS come back and say sorry for being so ignorant.

I can play f)&(#king Ark Survival on Ultra, but not ESO on medium?
Yup! Must be my rig!

btw lag and FPS drops are two completely separate issues

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

This is likely because of a particle system leak, which tends to show its ugly head in more intense PVP scenarios. The system itself has been completely rewritten and thoroughly vetted for these kinds of issues. It is going out with the Thieves Guild patch, in addition to the new 64-bit client.

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

This is likely because of a particle system leak, which tends to show its ugly head in more intense PVP scenarios. The system itself has been completely rewritten and thoroughly vetted for these kinds of issues. It is going out with the Thieves Guild patch, in addition to the new 64-bit client.

So @ZOS_AlexTardif is this possible related to this issue that a lot of people get? Slow FPS drop over time and a locked out processor core.

the slow FPS drop could very well be the same issue, though your case seems quite extreme for what we'd normally expect, because you describe (in great detail, thank you!) that it doesn't matter if the scene is intensive or not.

However, we can confirm that the old particle system was indeed single-threaded, which lines up with what you were experiencing with one core cranking up so high. The new system coming with the patch is fully multithreaded, and we've made improvements to effect loading in general to increase speed. If you still have this same issue after the patch, it could be something unrelated to effects, or there may be something deeper causing the problem. Do check back and let us know whether or not this patch makes things better for you!

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

sirinsidiator wrote: »

Will this rewrite also fix the bug where the majority of effects won't show up anymore and just their glow is visible after a big fight?

Yes, that was unfortunately a result of the same leak. Like the other issue, the fix was tested extensively to make sure that effects would still appear even after running all night in PvP areas. Depending on your game settings, or if you're in a particularly particle-heavy scenario, you may still encounter times when certain effects that we've deemed lower-priority won't appear sometimes. This is because of caps on our number of allowed particle systems on-screen, which we have in place so that it doesn't use too much memory, CPU, or GPU resources. However, the issue you're experiencing is definitely because of the leak, and that won't happen anymore after the patch.

Other fixes as a result of this particle work include fixes to certain ability effects that would stick around forever after weapon swaps (even if the ability itself was deactivated), and effects like Expert Hunter appearing incorrectly when swapping to a different weapon type.

Dominoid wrote: »

Talcyndl wrote: »

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

This is likely because of a particle system leak, which tends to show its ugly head in more intense PVP scenarios. The system itself has been completely rewritten and thoroughly vetted for these kinds of issues. It is going out with the Thieves Guild patch, in addition to the new 64-bit client.

Thanks for the info Alex.

Question on the 64-bit client...is ZOS recommending we do an uninstall/reinstall to switch to the 64-bit client? Or can the normal patching process handle that?

The data files used are the same for both clients. You will only need to download around 300mb for the 64-bit client. (Plus the multiple-gig TG DLC patch)

Yep, that's correct!

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

nordmarian wrote: »

@ZOS_AlexTardif So this new particle system will come WITH the 64-bit client on PTS? Because right now I have even worse performance on PTS than live and that even since few minutes on PTS.

yes the new particle system is indeed on PTS already. It appears to have solved the particle-related frame-rate issues and particle effects over time not appearing, however as you've noticed, there are some other framerate issues going on. We are investigating this and fixing those issues piece by piece between now and when Thieves Guild goes live. Stay tuned! Also do note that some issues are specifically related to "Ultra" graphics settings, so if you're currently running on Ultra on PTS, it may be worth scaling back your settings and trying again after each PTS patch to see when it improves.

Was bored at work today and found this; never read about it before today. Interesting, but still getting really bad FPS in large PvP battles.

Lil_Willie · March 2016

The only thing that I agree with is the population cap and even with that I would rather cut a much lower percentage than 50.

frozywozy · March 2016

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Lotheimas wrote: »

The fps problem is not in zos end, get a better machine that can handle 2000 spell being cast at the same time .

You're one of those guys eh...
Play the game with a 4770+GTX 980 @ Medium, and when it still drops to <10 FPS come back and say sorry for being so ignorant.

I can play f)&(#king Ark Survival on Ultra, but not ESO on medium?
Yup! Must be my rig!

btw lag and FPS drops are two completely separate issues

Do you use a SSD?

Waseem · March 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Lotheimas wrote: »

The fps problem is not in zos end, get a better machine that can handle 2000 spell being cast at the same time .

You're one of those guys eh...
Play the game with a 4770+GTX 980 @ Medium, and when it still drops to <10 FPS come back and say sorry for being so ignorant.

I can play f)&(#king Ark Survival on Ultra, but not ESO on medium?
Yup! Must be my rig!

btw lag and FPS drops are two completely separate issues

Do you use a SSD?

the FPS drops issue is real. i had/have it sometimes, and not only in PvP. i have it in large cities sometimes such as deeshan, grahtwood.. also in vMA aswell. solution is either clicking "escape" key on keyboard or crash the game and re start it if that did not work.
my hardware?
gtx970
500 gb samsung 850evo ssd
i7 4790k
16gb ram
and alot of other fancy hardware *** that guarantees me to play any game on ultra for now and some years ahead.
EXCEPT ESO!
i play eso on mixed medium and high quality (mostly medium) since i spend most of my time in PvP.
i did get some FPS problems but they were fixed for me in some patch. and im not surprised that people still have FPS issues. when loading screen were fixed for about everyone, i still have over 5 mins loading screen in Cyrodiil only if i am a member of a group
so basically. i must play PvP solo most of the time or be near some groups for group play - but not inside the group - for what? to have some proper PvP !!

_Chaos · March 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Lotheimas wrote: »

The fps problem is not in zos end, get a better machine that can handle 2000 spell being cast at the same time .

You're one of those guys eh...
Play the game with a 4770+GTX 980 @ Medium, and when it still drops to <10 FPS come back and say sorry for being so ignorant.

I can play f)&(#king Ark Survival on Ultra, but not ESO on medium?
Yup! Must be my rig!

btw lag and FPS drops are two completely separate issues

Do you use a SSD?

Yus, Samsung 850

Edit: My FPS is usually fine, but there's random instances where it just tanks. Those instances are what concern me. Sometimes its at Northern High Rock or Aleswell when no one is around or skills being cast, other times at an emp dethrone with extreme particle effects. FPS isn't really something I have much of a problem with compared to the absurd bar swap timing and server latency that happens nightly.

Lava_Croft · March 2016

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Lotheimas wrote: »

The fps problem is not in zos end, get a better machine that can handle 2000 spell being cast at the same time .

You're one of those guys eh...
Play the game with a 4770+GTX 980 @ Medium, and when it still drops to <10 FPS come back and say sorry for being so ignorant.

I can play f)&(#king Ark Survival on Ultra, but not ESO on medium?
Yup! Must be my rig!

btw lag and FPS drops are two completely separate issues

Actually, networking latency can be related to frame rate drops.

Doesn't make the guy any less of a silly scrub though.

howtogeek.com/142193/htg-explains-why-lag-and-low-fps-arent-the-same-thing/
The only reason they're related is because usually when you have a lot of visuals to process, there's also that many more packets being sent back and forth.

You just corrected yourself

The FPS drops you mention are indeed seemingly random and have no apparent cause. However, I did notice them happen a lot when solo-ing a resource and flipping the flag.

Apart from FPS drops, a new thing is these 'freezes' that seem to happen in busy fights in PvP. My entire game will lock up for a few seconds before continuing. Great for game play.

frozywozy · March 2016

Interesting. But we are no where near to identify the problem. I think the only way to resolve this matter is in the hands of Zenimax.

dsalter · March 2016

Waseem wrote: »

reduce the population caps in Cyrodiil again, by 50% or so because we want a proper PvP in this game.
also decrease the walls/doors health by 50% to adapt with players decrease
and the NPCs health by 50%
Cyrodiil campaigns cannot handle the amount of players on the current states
you might also want to make new trailers for ESO PvP, not as 300 players fighting around a keep, as 8vs8 fighting around a keep, because otherwise it'll be
embarresing to advertise a game trailer with lag and fps drops
PvP is a slide show
i dont see the players moving, i see them teleporting
when i click "W" or "S" or whatever key, my character do not move forward or backward. it starts to moonwalk forward or backward

20% less people and thats it.

Jhunn · March 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

dantator wrote: »

Or fix the lag? God, do I missed the old population cap. You jump off the keep and right at the spot you are greeted with a fight. More noobs to farm. Barely any lag...

I know the caps used to be so high! Back when the game worked and groups like Hijinx could run their pain trains with out the server having a seizure.

What exactly did they do that killed the servers like this?

I would fear having the population cap lowered because there would be even fewer conflicts on the map. Fights are already hard to find these days if you don't want to go to the 40v40 at Chalm / Nikel / Alessia bridge.

I would love to see no lag, no AoE caps, no VD, no proxy, and mild dynamic ulti gen. This game would be INCREDIBLE.

They spent like 6+ years developing an MMO without any kind of built-in protection against cheating of all kinds and then after release implemented some *** that first broke PvP completely (it honestly was like 3-5fps for everyone) and later left it in the state it's currently in.

Go figure.

Following this up with a beautiful video showing how they butt-*** PvP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irbdQQjVX3o

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