SlappyThePoptart wrote: »

Buff stamina as much as they like, but absolutely ruin Wrecking Blow. Make it useless, or just remove it for all I care lol

No way in hell. It's already taken a hit in 2.3.. I was critting 55k Wrecking Blows from sneak prior.. Now I'm lucky if I can crack 40k from sneak.. And that's with 3500 weapon dmg / 70% crit!

Removing it makes Stam DK's almost useless. Think about it.. We have no 20k critting single target class skill like Surprise Attack, Funnel Health or Crystal Frags to use as our crutch (which can also crit for the same as WB). Molten Whip? Please... Plus that doesn't help Stam users at all.

Our AOE has also taken a wallop with the nerf to Steel Tomato (brawler is useless..).. And once again we don't have a decent class skill like Biting Jabs to fall back on. All we have to rely on are a series of DoTs and no spammable main DPS skill.

You can't remove the only thing that Stam DK's can use for solid DPS without giving us back a class skill of equal or comparable spammability.

-Enhance the visibility of class identity in physical builds. Things would be very bland for magicka builds if they were using 3-5 weapon skills on their bars all the time, don't put stamina builds in that corner.

-Reconsider the times that stamina regen becomes inactive/scaling of dodgerolls, these seem to be mostly pvp-related issues and should be handled in such a way that looks at why and how these things become a problem in pvp instead of hampering the usefulness of a stat.

-Take a look at stamina build's self healing capabilities, either within classes themselves or just universal alternatives to Rally and Vigor.

-Move the Empower buff off of wrecking blow and turn it into more of a CC than a spammable skill, perhaps have this morph be capable of hitting multiple enemies with reduced CC or something.

-Possibly change the bonus of the sword type weapons to a larger % but have it only apply on attacks (light, heavy), and the daggers to deal increased damage from behind or some such. Not very attached to these ideas but I do like this sort of bonus over the bland "x% more damage" and "x% more crit" things, thought of having mace types snare slightly or something but this is a really loose thought.

-Consider making the axe weapon type's effect more consistent, not very necessary but it feels less desirable on the whole compared to stat ups.

-Add weapon bonuses somewhere in the 1h&S skill line, either as effective as the DW versions or 75% of the strength that 2handed weapons get maybe since you only get one, more flavor to your weapon choice with this skill line.

-Alternate sources and levels for buffs, Major Force and Minor Expedition come to mind. Can't remember the poster but I recall reading someone suggest the idea of having a constant Minor Expedition while having an Aedric Spear spell slotted for Templars, perhaps stick this on Quick Cloak to make it more desirable to stack it with another Major Expedition buff for fast DW users, no particular suggestions on Major Force, Minor Force is rare as is.

-Comparable crafted sets to Magnus'/Seducer for stamina, heavy on sustain in some fashion.

-Think about making the Constitution passive under Heavy Armor restore additional stamina or buff it for both resources, perhaps make it scale off the size of your resource pool OR max health to an extent?

-Some way to increase maximum resistance levels OR to make a portion of your resistances impenetrable, maybe make the 50% resistance a soft cap or allow non-specific defenses to go over this cap without being scaled (ie the Nord racial passive being a true 3% damage resistance regardless of whether you have 15000 defense or 30000, specific elemental resistances being able to go beyond your standard spell resistance if it's capped) Thinking heavy armor here, tanks still suffer from similar problems that stamina builds in general meet but should have different solutions particular to their equipment.



These are my thoughts having played both of my veteran characters as stamina builds to extents on and off, having done some dungeon content, very little to no pvp, a good deal of overworld content and no trials during those time periods and having a couple of nonveteran and currently un-noteworthy characters using stamina builds as they level.

As long as the stamina changes and combat (for the better) happen for base game. It's fine with me. If it's locked because of dlc? Well it should not ruin my gameplay.

Derra wrote: »

First and this being the most important one:
Change ultimates to scale with the highest dmg CP trees (i.e.: More points in apprentice: Ultimates scale with ele expert, elfborn, spellerosion - more points in ritual: Ultimates scale with mighty, piercing, precise strikes).

Heavy armor: Change the block cost reduction to a passive giving you a cooldown on stamina drain for blocking - like: blocking with 5 or more pieces of heavy armor only drains stamina every 0.5 / 1s. (removes a bit of the 1h + shield synergy but would be a huge heavy armor buff in combination with every other weapon).
Juggernaught: Increase hp by 1%, spelldmg and weapondmg by 1.5% per piece of heavy armor equipped.

Give every weapon line a source of major weapondmg buff.

Change 1h&S to be a 50% stamina 50% magica based skillline (would be great for DKs and templars playing magica based). Change the unpopular morph choices to being magica based and alter them - not the popular ones.


I´ll leave weapon changes to the experts but these things mentioned would go a long way in openening up the game for more build variety imo.

I like most of these ideas but I'm gona have to say no for getting magicka involved in SnB. Makes no sense for a shield and sword to have magicka involved. Same reason why we don't have a stamina morph of soul tether. I don't think zos intends to make physical damage ultimates by changing anything. They did mention they were looking at weapon ultimates. Come db, I think as always, magicka will own 80% of class skills and stamina will be compensated by weapon skill lines + weapon ultimates while drawing their utility from magicka the same way magicka builds need some amount of stamina for break free/dodge roll. Would be pretty balanced. Also yes, buff heavy armor plox.

As said in other threads on the PTS forum, Ultimates should have its damage type depended on which is higher stam and weap dam, or magicka and spell dam. And have stam class morphs do damage from the stam constelation.
So far the stamina portion is pretty much just physical damage on everything, apart from the few poison abilities and the one disease morph in the bow line.

They should also address things like the burning light temp passive, to make it do fire damage if magicka is highest, or poison damage if stamina is highest, and assasin will on nbs (since it will scale of max ressource regardless of what is highest) making the damage harder hitting for magicka users sending it than stamina, as well that I supsect that all magick and elemental damage scale of spell pen.

And obviously give sorc some wiggle room for other than just magicka, can stamina do good damage against single target, no. Can they actually tank, Nope.

On heavy armor they should make it so that you have 50% stam regen while blocking with last tier if you wear 5 pieces or more, then it might be seen in pvp.

Add in some sort of softcap, so far everything is stack up as much you can on one thing, leaving gear variety close to none if you want to have a good build.

Well those are just wishes and hopes, and ill see if the combat team can prove me wrong on my statement of them. Or if I am to stroll back and watch eso descend into pure mediocre carbage.

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Remove all the horrible CCs and snares that make Magicka builds so hard to play against Stamina builds.

LMAOOOO!!! Magicka is meta now man, you are crazy

ROLL DODGE BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS A YEAR AGO!!

Overall I feel stamina is still very viable. Although what I would like to see is more stamina attack options;

-Death Stroke to have a physical damage morph.
-Radial Sweep to have a physical damage morph.
-DK Whip to have a stamina morph.
-Sorcs to have an actual stamina attack.
-Uppercut to have an instant-cast no CC or empower morph. (No one uses Dizzy Swing anyways)

Now on the subject of Wrecking Blow. The skill itself is completely fine. There's several counters to a WB spammer. The real issue is during lag. Cannot express how many times I've blocked, dodge rolled, cloaked or walked through a WB to still get hit by it, or hit someone with it. Obviously the lag in Cyrodiil is the main issue here, not the skill itself.

All in all stamina is still great. Can still stack more WD with more regen than most Magicka Builds can. The real downfall is lack of spammable stamina DPS options. DW = Rapid Strikes, which is honestly terrible. 2H = WB, which is great - very cheesy though. 1H/S = Ransack/Heroic, which deals decent DPS with LA+bash weaving. Then there's bow... which could use a certain buff for single target DPS. Poison/Venom is great, but you're not going to win very many fights using just a bow.

When ZoS decided to remove soft caps I do not believe they realized that it was also going to be the death of hybrid builds. Mixing stamina weapon skills with magicka class skills was fine back then. There wasn't a real need for changing things around. Yet when they removed soft caps they didn't even think to change many class skills from Magicka to Stamina. Oddly enough, or not, they still haven't changed nearly ANY of them a year later. I find this to be lazy development or lazy design. Not thinking of most, if not all, possible outcomes when making such a drastic change is just foolish. The game is still suffering from these lazy decisions a year later. Tisk. Tisk.