More Vicious Death Fun

Sypher · March 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4xFeqKZCWM

Lord_Hev · March 2016

Dem VE bombs. 10/10 No longer can they stack up each other's asses with impunity.

Nerf Magic DK tho

PosternHouse · March 2016

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Dem VE bombs. 10/10 No longer can they stack up each other's asses with impunity.

Nerf Magic DK tho

Got 2 KB's only for each of the VE bombs. But it was a good video, nonetheless.

Dyride · March 2016

Sypher · March 2016

PosternHouse wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Dem VE bombs. 10/10 No longer can they stack up each other's asses with impunity.

Nerf Magic DK tho

Got 2 KB's only for each of the VE bombs. But it was a good video, nonetheless.

2kb but like 3-4 Phoenix procs.

Pheonix OP Please nerf now.

Satiar · March 2016

Sypher wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Dem VE bombs. 10/10 No longer can they stack up each other's asses with impunity.

Nerf Magic DK tho

Got 2 KB's only for each of the VE bombs. But it was a good video, nonetheless.

3kb but like 5-6 Phoenix procs.

Pheonix OP Please nerf now.

I had like, 15 people in there and over 40 AD outside, stahp zerging Sypher

But rly, VD on NB is sweet. Good stuff.

Craziest thing is most of us are in full gold impen with Max CP. The pick up groups are so much softer...

Vaoh · March 2016

@Sypher Looks fun but.... Would you rather see this set removed? I feel like it's absolutely crazy OP. This strategy can wreck even the best groups since the burst is so high.

With that said, I will probably be farming AP when this comes to console.

Sypher · March 2016

Doncellius wrote: »

@Sypher Looks fun but.... Would you rather see this set removed? I feel like it's absolutely crazy OP. This strategy can wreck even the best groups since the burst is so high.

With that said, I will probably be farming AP when this comes to console.

I openly disagreed with things like shield breaker, block nerf, dodge roll / streak cost stacking, and vicious set. I described them as bandage fixes. Zenimax should focus on the actual issues like shields effectiveness, AOE caps, Infinite sustain, etc.

Having said that, I have exhausted my efforts for the time being trying to give feedback. I'm at the point where I just want to have a little fun when playing this game regardless of imbalances.

Truly a sad state. At least I'm having fun though

frozywozy · March 2016

Good stuff Siffer. I prefer to see this than 2 DC bombing people repairing walls every 5mins. At least you demonstrate skills to position yourself in people moving and escaping afterward. well done!

Vaoh · March 2016

I think all non-zerging players with a V1-V16 nightblade should band together and craft 5x Julianos/5x Clever Alchemist (replace Julianos with Viscious Death if available) to go zerg bombing just like this. Once tons of zergers get irritated and ponder quitting, ZOS might get the hint that it was a horrible set idea.

This is so strong my PvE Wood Elf Stamblade is leveling up Resto/Dual Wield atm. Already have Proxy available.... everyone will....

DHale · March 2016

I just think it's a great tool to spread out and not h**** each other's leg. It also stop bridge farmers literally in their tracks. I have ganked gankers with it and ppl defending on keeps and those groups p that want to stack before going in. If you think Sypher is going to bother running up to one person to do this.... It's groups that need to quit balling up or else.

KenaPKK · March 2016

Niiiiiiice. I love it. VD has been such a trip. XD

Paraflex · March 2016

This set is so imbalanced. Can ZOS just make a battle grounds or Arena to get a decent portion of pvpers out of the open world. Magika NB will be so strong next patch for slaughtering zergs and ball groups....

olsborg · March 2016

Sypher wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

@Sypher Looks fun but.... Would you rather see this set removed? I feel like it's absolutely crazy OP. This strategy can wreck even the best groups since the burst is so high.

With that said, I will probably be farming AP when this comes to console.

I openly disagreed with things like shield breaker, block nerf, dodge roll / streak cost stacking, and vicious set. I described them as bandage fixes. Zenimax should focus on the actual issues like shields effectiveness, AOE caps, Infinite sustain, etc.

Having said that, I have exhausted my efforts for the time being trying to give feedback. I'm at the point where I just want to have a little fun when playing this game regardless of imbalances.

Truly a sad state. At least I'm having fun though

Indeed, well put. Game is in a sad state with imbalance and lagg, the shieldstacking - prox det meta is boring me, but there is still some fun to be had, for the time being.

Fizzlewizzle · March 2016

They should have made this set a crafted set.
If anything, its a good set to learn people NOT to stack up.

Satiar · March 2016

You will never stop stacking. The game is broken that way. The game is *built* that way. This set just makes an instant death meta a... Even more instant death meta?

Such a good game

Xsorus · March 2016

If they won't remove AOE Caps..I have no problem with this set..

Teaches people a lesson on stacking.

asneakybanana · March 2016

Just going to leave this here from last night...

Xsorus · March 2016

I'm confused why all the groups crying about VD are going to CU when its released..

That game isn't going to be anymore forgiving to stacking.

Satiar · March 2016

Xsorus wrote: »

I'm confused why all the groups crying about VD are going to CU when its released..

That game isn't going to be anymore forgiving to stacking.

We are hoping the game won't be built around stacking while simultaneously attempting to make stacking impossible.

Which is what this game does. Groups like mine don't *like* stacking any more than we liked a barrier rotation, or gearing full Nirn, or stacking harness magica or frag shields or anything else, it's just about ideal tactics. The trouble right now is that most things about the PvP in this game encourages stacking, everything from how heals work, to how support abilities work, to the range of ultimates and thier synergies, almost everything. Instead of fixing this, ZoS is just trying to brute force the issue with pure damage. It's this kind of lazy and ass-backwards system that we are desperate to get away from.

But please, continue with that mindset. We stack because it is in our DNA or something lol

MaximillianDiE · March 2016

Satiar wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

I'm confused why all the groups crying about VD are going to CU when its released..

That game isn't going to be anymore forgiving to stacking.

We are hoping the game won't be built around stacking while simultaneously attempting to make stacking impossible.

Which is what this game does. Groups like mine don't *like* stacking any more than we liked a barrier rotation, or gearing full Nirn, or stacking harness magica or frag shields or anything else, it's just about ideal tactics. The trouble right now is that most things about the PvP in this game encourages stacking, everything from how heals work, to how support abilities work, to the range of ultimates and thier synergies, almost everything. Instead of fixing this, ZoS is just trying to brute force the issue with pure damage. It's this kind of lazy and ass-backwards system that we are desperate to get away from.

But please, continue with that mindset. We stack because it is in our DNA or something lol

Its a stupid set - supporting stupid 3 button play instead of doing the obvious and removing (or at least enlarging) aoe caps. Despite what Zeni clearly think this will have no impact on the decent guilds who are all largely already wearing this and abusing the *rap out of it now as well and know not to stack anyway so won't die to Sypher or any other magicka nb running this set. What it will do in the long run is drive the unorganised more casual players who group together for comfort away to games like BDO now that we're starting to see some viable alternative mmos out there and VD and the like causing insta deaths with a stupidly short TTK.

Zheg · March 2016

asneakybanana wrote: »

Just going to leave this here from last night...

Dat Igneous Shield mitigation, a bit too OP imo. We might need a nerf.

Ghost-Shot · March 2016

asneakybanana wrote: »

Just going to leave this here from last night...

Grats sneaky, you also managed to kill 3 people...

Satiar · March 2016

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

I'm confused why all the groups crying about VD are going to CU when its released..

That game isn't going to be anymore forgiving to stacking.

We are hoping the game won't be built around stacking while simultaneously attempting to make stacking impossible.

Which is what this game does. Groups like mine don't *like* stacking any more than we liked a barrier rotation, or gearing full Nirn, or stacking harness magica or frag shields or anything else, it's just about ideal tactics. The trouble right now is that most things about the PvP in this game encourages stacking, everything from how heals work, to how support abilities work, to the range of ultimates and thier synergies, almost everything. Instead of fixing this, ZoS is just trying to brute force the issue with pure damage. It's this kind of lazy and ass-backwards system that we are desperate to get away from.

But please, continue with that mindset. We stack because it is in our DNA or something lol

Its a stupid set - supporting stupid 3 button play instead of doing the obvious and removing (or at least enlarging) aoe caps. Despite what Zeni clearly think this will have no impact on the decent guilds who are all largely already wearing this and abusing the *rap out of it now as well and know not to stack anyway so won't die to Sypher or any other magicka nb running this set. What it will do in the long run is drive the unorganised more casual players who group together for comfort away to games like BDO now that we're starting to see some viable alternative mmos out there and VD and the like causing insta deaths with a stupidly short TTK.

Pretty much.

I'm against it for the same reason I'm against most of the other changes this patch : TTK is way too low. If we really hate stacking and guilds using set formation that can be corrected without turning the game into some perverse, AOE version of CS:GO.

DKsUnite · March 2016

i still find it hilarious that every magicka VE member has phoenix xD

Satiar · March 2016

DKsUnite wrote: »

i still find it hilarious that every magicka VE member has phoenix xD

There is nothing more satisfying than dying and getting 5 KB because your Pheonix killed someone and procced VD!

Niaver · March 2016

[Offtopic] With your setup you get 15 fps... that is a joke, ZOS.

HoloYoitsu · March 2016

DKsUnite wrote: »

i still find it hilarious that every magicka VE member has phoenix xD

I hear they once tried to use Phoenix procs to kill slaughter fish.

It didn't work.

Satiar · March 2016

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

i still find it hilarious that every magicka VE member has phoenix xD

I hear they once tried to use Phoenix procs to kill slaughter fish.

It didn't work.

That was my idea and it was a good plan!

Master_Kas · March 2016

DKsUnite wrote: »

i still find it hilarious that every magicka VE member has phoenix xD

I want to see videos of that

Sounds very interesting.

Xsorus · March 2016

Satiar wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

I'm confused why all the groups crying about VD are going to CU when its released..

That game isn't going to be anymore forgiving to stacking.

We are hoping the game won't be built around stacking while simultaneously attempting to make stacking impossible.

Which is what this game does. Groups like mine don't *like* stacking any more than we liked a barrier rotation, or gearing full Nirn, or stacking harness magica or frag shields or anything else, it's just about ideal tactics. The trouble right now is that most things about the PvP in this game encourages stacking, everything from how heals work, to how support abilities work, to the range of ultimates and thier synergies, almost everything. Instead of fixing this, ZoS is just trying to brute force the issue with pure damage. It's this kind of lazy and ass-backwards system that we are desperate to get away from.

But please, continue with that mindset. We stack because it is in our DNA or something lol

Are you actually gearing full nirn right now? Is that actually a thing?

Anyway this game did support stacking..Now it does not reward it as much..If you want to stack in this game you can be rewarded for it..However just like DAOC..stacking has disadvantages....In that you now can be blown up for doing it. Your problem seems to be you're stuck in the mindset that Stacking should just have benefits and now that it actually isn't completely safe the game is now bad. CU will opperate in the same fasion...The Boon/Bane system alone is a perfect example of that.

You now have to accept that you can get some really powerful advantages for stacking up..But at the same time there is now an actual Risk for doing it.