They are supposed to be buffing stamina in the next DLC...

I agree, buffing half your players in one DLC and making the rest wait is a... less than cogent development strategy, but it's what we've got.

Man, I'm getting sick of all the crying from Stam builds...

For the last time: YOU WEREN'T NERFED, YOU WERE BALANCED.

Did you REALLY think it was fair that the CP passives stacked the deck against Magicka builds?

Magicka Sorc GOD MODE OP
Magicka NB OP
Magicka DK sort of OP...

Templar GET THE **** IN YOUR HOUSE B****!

You see a pattern?

Yup I leveled up a mag sorc before the update, *** is boring/easy AF but.. What can you do?

C'mon guys and gals, you don't win support by pointing the finger. As a magicka user since launch who has never played stam, but has also never whinged about it; stop with the "us and them". Point out that stam is weaker by all means, suggest how to improve it, but don't whinge about whingers cos it just makes you a whinger. Most posters in this thread are indulging in an imaginary war with evil magicka users when your war should be with devs, who don't love magicka more they just don't really know what they're doing. Stop wasting your time hating half the player base and post some facts that devs can use.

Have to agree with @FriedEggSandwich for a bit. Try to avoid blaming each other, and work on getting stamina balanced again. I can understand why it's annoying as sure it can be said that the constant calling for nerfs on the forums (although to be fair, this happens to everything once in a while, I guess it's just staminas turn atm), but there's a peaceful way to solve it. Post your own threads about the stamina nerf; useful threads that can provide ideas and insight. Not saying that this thread is bad, this is meant for those who really do just go on the forums to demand nerfs for their own personal gain.

As for myself, I always play generally balanced characters, with only one or two points determining if magicka or stamina will be the focus point of my build. It means if needed, I always have reserves to fall back on, and can with a bit of work utilize several play-styles. It saddens me that a lot of pure stam tanks are clearly being nerfed for very few reasons, the only main logical one being that one point, yes stamina was OP. And yet despite being nerfed, we still have people posting the threads like the one @Detector linked.

My point is, we should be focusing on balance- not bending over backwards to the whim of every ___ build that was once beaten by a ___ build that one time in PvP. We should all be able to play whatever way we want, stam, mag (within reason of course, some things don't just work), without being knocked down every time someone whinges.

PvP - you're still OP as a stamina build.
PvE - dps is now balanced. Tanking is still possible by learning to adapt to the changes.

So many people complain that things are too difficult or not possible to do any more without actually trying to work around the changes.

If tanking really were impossible then no-one would do it and the game would die with no tanks. Yet it's still here and people are still tanking anything from PvP to basic dungeons to vet dungeons to trials to the new trial without much difficulty.

Those who claim they can't do it either need to figure out why, or look to ask for help on how to change so they can tank now. Otherwise just give up now and move on.

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

PvP - you're still OP as a stamina build.
PvE - dps is now balanced. Tanking is still possible by learning to adapt to the changes.

So many people complain that things are too difficult or not possible to do any more without actually trying to work around the changes.

If tanking really were impossible then no-one would do it and the game would die with no tanks. Yet it's still here and people are still tanking anything from PvP to basic dungeons to vet dungeons to trials to the new trial without much difficulty.

Those who claim they can't do it either need to figure out why, or look to ask for help on how to change so they can tank now. Otherwise just give up now and move on.

Magicka +VD+detonation, kill + 10+20 ppl in 2 second. Stamina hahahaha stamina builds ends in pvp, magicka 1000000% better.

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Man, I'm getting sick of all the crying from Stam builds...

For the last time: YOU WEREN'T NERFED, YOU WERE BALANCED.

Did you REALLY think it was fair that the CP passives stacked the deck against Magicka builds?

Oh balanced ? Is that what you are calling it ? Well it is easy to say it's balancing when you're a magic user.

Here is what the truth is magic base and stamina base classes are not balanced magic base are far more powerful than stamina base classes.

Stamina users- cost stamina to block, sneak, and to sprint and stamina user have no stamina recovery while using any of them and their is very few stamina skills and even fewer that are not physical damage based in fact only ultimate that is physical damage base is dragon knights dragon leap and blocking only reduces damage at most by 50% and dodge rolling the other stamina base defense cost more after each repeated use.

Magicka users- able to use damage shields which even admitted by ZOS to be over powered. Damage shields block all the damage as long as they are up can be stacked multiple times and become more powerful the more spell damage a player has and a magic user has full magicka recovery while using a damage shield. Their are plenty more magicka base skills and spells in the game and most ultimates are magicka based. Best DPS in the game and best defense in the game.

So as you can hopefully see now magicka users are and have been since day 1 of the game been the OP META and the TG patch did not "balance" anything just made it clear magicka users cry the most when they are not in charge and not the top play style. So thank you for crying making stamina users a life a even bigger hell especially for tanks.

Magicka isn't far more powerful. The way I see it the latest patch favoured magicka for sure, but in terms of single target damage in pvp it wasn't in the lead last patch so if it's in the lead this patch it isn't by much. The double-dipping dot thing is weird I'll admit, no idea what they were thinking, but hopefully it will get resolved. It almost seems like an oversight and would definitely be the main cause of imbalance in this patch I think.

That aside though the other cp changes were balances and I don't understand how you fail to see otherwise. There are 2 types of damage that come from magicka; elemental and magic. Last patch builds that used both types had to split their cp. There is only one type of physical damage so builds doing physical damage could stack their damage cp in one place. You could argue that players going up against magicka builds had 2 different types of damage to mitigate and that this balanced out the fact magicka had 2 different types of damage to buff. But what happens when you look at the physical damage mitigation by cp to compare? There was no way to use cp to mitigate physical damage, even though you could buff physical damage easily in one place with mighty. Where was the balance to this?

The balance to that is what we have in the latest patch. In the cp trees we now have one place to buff magicka-based damage and one place to mitigate it, one place to buff stamina-based damage and one place to mitigate it. The double-dipping dot phenomena throws a spanner in the works slightly cos as someone else pointed out there are more magicka based dots, but like I said I hope it will get resolved, and there is a cp tree to reduce dot damage.

The argument that stamina users have to use their main resource to block, dodge, cc break etc is an old one. If it actually held any water then you would see more stam users running out of stamina than magicka users. But you don't; stam users have medium armour passives which reduce the cost of dodge-roll and increase stam recovery, and they will always have stamina to cc break and dodge-roll. Magicka users need stam to cc break and dodge-roll also, which is why the weakness to a pure magicka build is always their stam pool.

Yes magicka users have damage shields. Damage shields don't absorb all the damage like you say, they just absorb damage up to their shield value and then they break and let any remaining damage through. They can be recast and stacked of course; I don't like the stacking but the recasting is just a symptom of the game, such as heals being recast or reflect being recast. They don't scale off spell damage like you say, they scale off max magicka. Absorbing damage is just a form of mitigation, much like making damage miss you by vanishing or casting shuffle (which is more than a 20% miss rate btw). You have to realise that just 2 dodge-rolls is enough to prevent a magicka build from cc breaking, and most have no dodge chance so every skill will hit them. When you take this into account damage shields make more sense. But the stacking of damage shields is too much I admit, but then that affects stamina builds less than magicka..

So is the game balanced? I have no idea, probably not. Is there a clear leader between stamina and magicka overall? No. Anyway that's the way I see it and I'm prepared to hear why anyone thinks I'm wrong. I've never played stamina after all (but you can't use that as an argument).

Edit: I'm speaking from a pvp perspective entirely.

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Isnt Stamina DK like he best 1v1 class in the game?

lol thread

Nope you're definitely wrong. Stamina DK is only the "Supposed" best in PvP 1v1 when it comes to using 1h/Shield rocking mitigation from draconic power (hardened armour) and using shuffle. Any other player can utilize these abilities. We also have 2 awesome passives battle roar and mountain's blessing, those 2 passives are why people say that stam DK are the best but when I ask them about abilities they go off radar.