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Zheg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It is so discouraging.
A lot of leads and officers in my guild, myself included, are pretty much here out of spite against the strongest anti-group patches in the history of the game. No one wants to call it quits because of a bad patch, part of being competitive is adapting. What we've found is not that we're not effective -- we get more kills and more AP than ever -- it's that the game just isn't fun.
You walk in snares 24-7. Constantly caltropped, rooted, bombarded, spammed by gap closers. Everything moves slow, it is infuriating to not have control of your character most of the time. Burst damage was massively upped, mitigation was shattered. My guild used to build for sustain fights, long battles you could win by out tanking, out sustaining. None of that now. I'm rolling around as a magica build with 1100 regen because it doesn't matter. The game is reduced to bomb bomb bomb.
If I didn't have a good group of friends I want to keep together to bring to another game, I wouldn't be playing this garbage. What a joke.
I only disagree with your last sentence, @Satiar , which is entirely the point.
When Cyrodiil works (i.e. no lag, competitive map, good opponents, etc.) it is almost a sublime experience. Cyrodiil is beautiful, fun, challenging, rewarding. Despite all the flaws at launch it was clear that this was the case. Review after review praised the AvA zone and content while disparaging the PvE content.
Yet we stand here two years later. Cyrodiil has almost been completely neglected in favor of PvE content. And the PvE content is still a joke! There is one trial. ONE! Everything except that trial, VMA, and ICP is face-to-keyboard easy, i.e. 99% of the PvE content. On the other hand, PvP players have amused themselves readily with no content additions which is a testament to how good Cyro PvP is at its core. In fact, we don't really ask for much except minor balance tweaks along the way and small content additions to go with (new outputs, capturable areas, etc.). Do you know how long it takes to finish Wrothgar zone? <10hrs. Thieves Guild? <10hrs. Then you're stuck with stupid repeatable fetch quests long abandoned in the 90s. If they added a new tower in between Roe and Brindle by god I would fight there all weekend! I would take the scroll there!
Sigh. The writing is on the wall, and has been for at least a year. Once CU beta drops we're all gone anyway. Hell, go watch the class description video released yesterday. Amazing.
I have a better understanding of the developers' vision for classes in a game that is still in alpha than I do in ESO.
Class balance, itemization, combat and the meta as a whole - just a quick look at the forums show how monumentally pissed off and disappointed most of the playerbase is. We even TOLD wrobel and wheeler what this meta would end up looking like months in advance. How is it possible for the players to have so much more comprehension and foresight than the lead developers? Normally I'd blame it all on wrobel, but wheeler gets blame for this fiasco too with the combo of siege, forward camps, and lack of objectives catalyzing wrobel's asinine balance work into a gigantic Zerg v Zerg stack at a single keep.3 -
Ishammael✭✭✭✭✭
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To be clear, VD did not kill Alcast in that video. The proc displayed in Recount was cosmetic and incidental. Read his thread. It has been analyzed to death. When it appeared he was half health, he was actually closer to 30% health and Radiant Destruction killed him.
I read the thread. Yes, its not VD. My point was the because health de-sync is still a problem, it doesn't matter from Alcasts PoV: he still died from seemingly nowhere.2 -
GRxKnight✭✭✭✭✭
I'd go as far as saying mobility for magicka classes are gimped even with steak and cloak given how annoying spam-bush and spam-pede areMember of Victorem, RÁGE ; Decibel Alumni (RIP)
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zyk✭✭✭✭✭
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Please excuse me. I read the m as medium for whatever reason. My Magicka NB uses Retreating Maneuver and I run with a decent pool of Stamina. Cloak doesn't help much in the big fights and I don't slot any other movement buffs.0 -
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To be clear, VD did not kill Alcast in that video. The proc displayed in Recount was cosmetic and incidental. Read his thread. It has been analyzed to death. When it appeared he was half health, he was actually closer to 30% health and Radiant Destruction killed him.
I read the thread. Yes, its not VD. My point was the because health de-sync is still a problem, it doesn't matter from Alcasts PoV: he still died from seemingly nowhere.
Yes, health desyncs are a major problem. No question. That has nothing at all to do with VD though. VD did not proc @ 50%, nor did it kill him.1 -
Parafrost✭✭✭1. Vicious Death (would be bad even if it didn't proc at half health)
2. Prox Det Buff (LOL)
3. Unreflectable Meteors (LOL)
4. Buffed Siege (fine by itself, but taken in context of other stuff... awful)
5. Wings reflection costs resources (game breaking, needs hotfix)
6. Templar House (four whole fried chickens and coke, dry white toast)
7. Nerfed movement speed (seriosuly, why?!)
A few NBs are gonna get some LOLs by running full burst mode with Alchemist and VD.
Templars are having fun with RD, but I'm sure they'd give that up to have BoL back and some actual defensive skills (cough *Bliding Flashes* cough).
Sorcs are bursting with the NBs.
Magicka DKs are... LOL
I'm only scratching the surface... but by god, this is probably the worst its been since 1.2.
You forgot the purple drink on templar house.0 -
Master_Kas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Stampede: 60% Snare
Lotus Fan: Immobilize + 60% Snare
Low Slash: 60% Snare
Bombard: Immobilize + 40% Snare
Warmth Passive: 30% Snare
Rending Slashes: 50% Snare
Caltrops: 30% Snare
Webs: 40% Snare
Cripple: Immobilize + 40% Snare
ALL GAP CLOSERS
It's like they're TRYING to make the game as ANNOYING and UNRESPONSIVE as possible.
Yo dawg I heard you like unresponsive games so we keep you snared 60% 24/7 and CC your ass every 5 seconds while being Lotus Fan spammed at 300++ ping. Please enjoy your adventures in Cyrodiil.
LOOL the last picEU | PC6 -
Parafrost✭✭✭
I'd go as far as saying mobility for magicka classes are gimped even with steak and cloak given how annoying spam-bush and spam-pede are
you forgetting spamtus(lotus fan spamming for mag nightblade)
All we got is spamchains and that doesnt do ***.1 -
Lord_Hev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yeah, this ****ing snares got to go. WTF. For the past 3 months I've felt like I had a permanent snare on me. Every single *** thing is a snare.
WHY?4 -
flying_ace2✭✭
I'd go as far as saying mobility for magicka classes are gimped even with steak and cloak given how annoying spam-bush and spam-pede are
Well they gave us steak to make up for the lack of mobility!
Seriously though, streak is next to worthless after this patch - hit the key, either nothing happens or it goes off anywhere between 5-10 seconds later and puts me some place I don't want to be. Rapids certainly don't help much anymore. So the last option is dodge-rolling, and, being a sorc and all, I can do 2 of those before my entire stam pool is gone.
ADJust ChillVictorem (RIP), Misfitz (RIP), Moonlight Crew (RIP)PC - NAEl-phaba - SorcRammoth - NBDaenora - Temp3 -
dodgehopper_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »What is 'templar house'
Nobody knows.US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
US/AD - Arondonimo - Vet Altmer Sorcerer | US/AD - Azumarax - Vet Dunmer Dragon Knight
US/AD - Barkan al-Sheharesh - Vet Redguard Dragon Knight | US/AD - Aelus Vortavoriil - Vet Altmer Templar
US/AD - Shirari Qa'Dar - Vet Khajiit Nightblade | US/AD - Ndvari Mzunchvolenthumz - Vet Bosmer Nightblade
US/EP - Yngmar - Vet Nord Dragon Knight | US/EP - Reloth Ur Fyr - Vet Dunmer Sorcerer
US/DC - Muiredeach - Vet Breton Sorcerer | US/DC - Nachtrabe - Vet Orc Nightblade
EU/DC - Dragol gro-Unglak - Vet Orc Dragon Knight | EU/DC - Targan al-Barkan - Vet Redguard Templar
EU/DC - Wuthmir - Vet Nord Sorcerer | EU/DC - Kosh Ragotoro - Vet Khajiit Nightblade
<And plenty more>1 -
Ishammael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »What is 'templar house'
Nobody knows.
We're on a mission from God.1 -
dodgehopper_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »What is 'templar house'
Nobody knows.
We're on a mission from God.
Now I have the Blues Brothers theme music in my head, between that quote, and the 'two whole fried chickens and a coke'. Let me just add another favored quote:
'We're gettin' the band back together.'US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
US/AD - Arondonimo - Vet Altmer Sorcerer | US/AD - Azumarax - Vet Dunmer Dragon Knight
US/AD - Barkan al-Sheharesh - Vet Redguard Dragon Knight | US/AD - Aelus Vortavoriil - Vet Altmer Templar
US/AD - Shirari Qa'Dar - Vet Khajiit Nightblade | US/AD - Ndvari Mzunchvolenthumz - Vet Bosmer Nightblade
US/EP - Yngmar - Vet Nord Dragon Knight | US/EP - Reloth Ur Fyr - Vet Dunmer Sorcerer
US/DC - Muiredeach - Vet Breton Sorcerer | US/DC - Nachtrabe - Vet Orc Nightblade
EU/DC - Dragol gro-Unglak - Vet Orc Dragon Knight | EU/DC - Targan al-Barkan - Vet Redguard Templar
EU/DC - Wuthmir - Vet Nord Sorcerer | EU/DC - Kosh Ragotoro - Vet Khajiit Nightblade
<And plenty more>0 -
Ishammael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »What is 'templar house'
Nobody knows.
We're on a mission from God.
Now I have the Blues Brothers theme music in my head, between that quote, and the 'two whole fried chickens and a coke'. Let me just add another favored quote:
'We're gettin' the band back together.'
You gotta think
<think>
'bout what 'chou tryin' to do to me0 -
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✭Edited by Xeven on March 17, 2016 8:11PM1 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
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You're gonna look pretty funny trying to eat corn of the cob with no F****** teeth"Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.3 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What sucks is that this games wants the following in order:
1) lag/performance fixed
2) end game pve and additional objectives in cyro/IC
3) class balance.
Aside from one new trial and a few skills changes to match consistency, we received nothing. Yes there were lag fixes and performance updates but a large chunk of ESO can't play due to video card issues.
Lag was the reason I unsubscribed this month. And we can all agree we could stomach other issues so long as we can have launch-style responsiveness in pvp/pve performance.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Crown✭✭✭✭✭
✭Soloing is almost a thing of the past...
@KenaPKK Not quite..
5 x Vicious Death
5 x Julianos
2 x WillPower
Jewlery enchanted with Spell Damage
Gear Enchanted with Max Magicka
Weapons with Penetration or Nirn trait and enchanted with Disease
All Gold (except 1 WillPower neck in Purple and 2 Vicious Death rings in Blue) with Gold enchants
Run around spamming Inevitable Detonation whenever you see 5+ opponents. Make sure to keep Radiant MageLight for more Crit and the Empower buff (use it before each explosion). Keep continuous attacks up. Keep Spell Power 20% buff up. Keep whatever bonus damage buffs you have available up.
I freely admit it's boring as all hell after the first 30 minutes of excitement, but watch as the AP flows and the hate tells flood your chat window.
This is the new AP farmer's dream.
It takes no skill.
There is nothing to differentiate a good player from any random person who can do the above.
I hate it.Edited by Crown on March 17, 2016 9:11PMCrown | AD NB | First AD/NA Grand Overlord (2015/12/26)
PvP Guides @ DarkElves.com3 -
firewatch✭✭✭Stampede: 60% Snare
Lotus Fan: Immobilize + 60% Snare
Low Slash: 60% Snare
Bombard: Immobilize + 40% Snare
Warmth Passive: 30% Snare
Rending Slashes: 50% Snare
Caltrops: 30% Snare
Webs: 40% Snare
Cripple: Immobilize + 40% Snare
ALL GAP CLOSERS
It's like they're TRYING to make the game as ANNOYING and UNRESPONSIVE as possible.
Yo dawg we heard you like unresponsive games so we keep you snared 60% 24/7 and CC your ass every 5 seconds while you're being Lotus Fan spammed at 400++ ping. Please enjoy your adventures in Cyrodiil.
Best post I've seen in a while. The number of snares/stuns in this game is ridiculous and the game becomes more unresponsive with every patch. I've been playing since beta and PvP is more annoying than fun right now. Feels like I spend more time dealing with load screens and crashes than playing.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Remove detonation in any form - replace with buff to aoe scaling on 3+ ppl hit.
Halve all snare in the game.
Implement a root immunity (different from normal cc immunity).
Fix all the broken abilities.<Noricum>
I live. I die. I live again.
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Derrah - EP - Sorc - AvA 506 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It's not like any the of soft CCs are new though. The only difference now is that it's not trivial for a couple of players in a group to spam rapids and purges. A common question lately has been, "does this take skill?" Did blowing off all soft CCs and siege with 3 abilities take skill?
Where were all the complaints about soft CCs when they were used to run over pugs and casuals every night? Or during the entirety of the FOTM DK era?
It's weird for me to see DKs and Sorcs complain about AE stuns and immobilizations. The mantra used to be "L2P noob". Well, this is what happened.Edited by zyk on March 17, 2016 11:41PM8 -
firewatch✭✭✭flying_ace2 wrote: »
I'd go as far as saying mobility for magicka classes are gimped even with steak and cloak given how annoying spam-bush and spam-pede are
Well they gave us steak to make up for the lack of mobility!
Seriously though, streak is next to worthless after this patch - hit the key, either nothing happens or it goes off anywhere between 5-10 seconds later and puts me some place I don't want to be. Rapids certainly don't help much anymore. So the last option is dodge-rolling, and, being a sorc and all, I can do 2 of those before my entire stam pool is gone.
Streak is so annoying now I quit playing my sorc...0 -
DHale✭✭✭✭✭
✭I love this patch and just want them to fix the bugs.Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.2 -
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Don't forget the most important step:Soloing is almost a thing of the past...
@KenaPKK Not quite..
5 x Vicious Death
5 x Julianos
2 x WillPower
Jewlery enchanted with Spell Damage
Gear Enchanted with Max Magicka
Weapons with Penetration or Nirn trait and enchanted with Disease
All Gold (except 1 WillPower neck in Purple and 2 Vicious Death rings in Blue) with Gold enchants
Run around spamming Inevitable Detonation whenever you see 5+ opponents. Make sure to keep Radiant MageLight for more Crit and the Empower buff (use it before each explosion). Keep continuous attacks up. Keep Spell Power 20% buff up. Keep whatever bonus damage buffs you have available up.
I freely admit it's boring as all hell after the first 30 minutes of excitement, but watch as the AP flows and the hate tells flood your chat window.
This is the new AP farmer's dream.
It takes no skill.
There is nothing to differentiate a good player from any random person who can do the above.
I hate it.
Be a Night Blade.2 -
Publius_Scipio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I bucked the meta and stayed stam. THE META LOOKED AT PUBLUS SCIPIO AND RAN SCARED.1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GZ2QQqxttA