The entire point of proxy det and VD is to discourage groups from running tight like the victims in Sypher's video. It is a counter to a popular strategy, not an I-win button.
The I-win button was stacking tight and proactively casting barriers/heals/AEs/Rapids/Purges. Not all guilds that did that lacked skill, but the proactive use of those skills enabled fundamentally unskilled players to succeed.
Hopefully, groups learn not to stack up and a new paradigm will emerge that makes proxy+vd less effective.
Ball groups wont really stay in ball groups now cause they cant. Ball groups before have always stayed as ball groups though. I dont buy into the spreading thing. Ive fought them, Ive seen other guilds fight them. They balled up. They werent doing expert maneuvers or strategy. Theyre going to a spot in a ball. Nobody in the world should ever desire this. And if you scattered, youd get a portion of your group chunked out, and be unable to fight what remains. So they were always balled up.
I dont mean to diminish players or their guilds or their talents. But balling in this game or other MMOs is among the lowest skilled level of mass PVP Ive seen in any MMOs Ive PVPd in - or any game play from any genre Ive seen. Its why a lot of people have wanted it gone since it started to develop. Its why a lot of the really good guilds in this game quit a long time ago.
Its not really your fault - given the mechanics ZOS put in.
Its so easy...ENTIRE PUG zergs in Gw2 do it....So anyone claiming it was skill was woefully delusional.
GW2 is like 27 times harder game to play, you cant compare its casual players to casual ones on ESO.
Not really...I don't find it remotely harder to play at all.
Is it harder to play than DAOC?
Ball groups wont really stay in ball groups now cause they cant. Ball groups before have always stayed as ball groups though. I dont buy into the spreading thing. Ive fought them, Ive seen other guilds fight them. They balled up. They werent doing expert maneuvers or strategy. Theyre going to a spot in a ball. Nobody in the world should ever desire this. And if you scattered, youd get a portion of your group chunked out, and be unable to fight what remains. So they were always balled up.
I dont mean to diminish players or their guilds or their talents. But balling in this game or other MMOs is among the lowest skilled level of mass PVP Ive seen in any MMOs Ive PVPd in - or any game play from any genre Ive seen. Its why a lot of people have wanted it gone since it started to develop. Its why a lot of the really good guilds in this game quit a long time ago.
Its not really your fault - given the mechanics ZOS put in.
Its so easy...ENTIRE PUG zergs in Gw2 do it....So anyone claiming it was skill was woefully delusional.
GW2 is like 27 times harder game to play, you cant compare its casual players to casual ones on ESO.
Not really...I don't find it remotely harder to play at all.
Is it harder to play than DAOC?
That would be harder to define... DAOC had some mechanics that make both games look like easy mode... But you didn't have things like active dodging or blocking.
Ball groups wont really stay in ball groups now cause they cant. Ball groups before have always stayed as ball groups though. I dont buy into the spreading thing. Ive fought them, Ive seen other guilds fight them. They balled up. They werent doing expert maneuvers or strategy. Theyre going to a spot in a ball. Nobody in the world should ever desire this. And if you scattered, youd get a portion of your group chunked out, and be unable to fight what remains. So they were always balled up.
I dont mean to diminish players or their guilds or their talents. But balling in this game or other MMOs is among the lowest skilled level of mass PVP Ive seen in any MMOs Ive PVPd in - or any game play from any genre Ive seen. Its why a lot of people have wanted it gone since it started to develop. Its why a lot of the really good guilds in this game quit a long time ago.
Its not really your fault - given the mechanics ZOS put in.
Its so easy...ENTIRE PUG zergs in Gw2 do it....So anyone claiming it was skill was woefully delusional.
GW2 is like 27 times harder game to play, you cant compare its casual players to casual ones on ESO.
Not really...I don't find it remotely harder to play at all.
Is it harder to play than DAOC?Ball groups wont really stay in ball groups now cause they cant. Ball groups before have always stayed as ball groups though. I dont buy into the spreading thing. Ive fought them, Ive seen other guilds fight them. They balled up. They werent doing expert maneuvers or strategy. Theyre going to a spot in a ball. Nobody in the world should ever desire this. And if you scattered, youd get a portion of your group chunked out, and be unable to fight what remains. So they were always balled up.
I dont mean to diminish players or their guilds or their talents. But balling in this game or other MMOs is among the lowest skilled level of mass PVP Ive seen in any MMOs Ive PVPd in - or any game play from any genre Ive seen. Its why a lot of people have wanted it gone since it started to develop. Its why a lot of the really good guilds in this game quit a long time ago.
Its not really your fault - given the mechanics ZOS put in.
Its so easy...ENTIRE PUG zergs in Gw2 do it....So anyone claiming it was skill was woefully delusional.
GW2 is like 27 times harder game to play, you cant compare its casual players to casual ones on ESO.
Not really...I don't find it remotely harder to play at all.
Is it harder to play than DAOC?
That would be harder to define... DAOC had some mechanics that make both games look like easy mode... But you didn't have things like active dodging or blocking.
@Zheg @Ghost-Shot i don't think he got it
Someone seriously should come see Azura star pc eu when prime time> SO much better than any pvp there been past 1 year when everyone is going on with fights without worry of aoe blobs to ruin everything. Loads of siege to make keep taking impossible, but its so much better than just raid/s taking keeps without single losses due to all sort of blobbing protections aoe skills buffs and all that other nonsense that benefits raids/small scalers so much. Casuals wont get that point of skill usaging but atleast they have honest fun.
I run there raid, but without limiting or making people do only specific things. pure openworld roaming outside and inside castle and hell yeah so much fun.
@Satiar had a blast fighting your group last night around Chalman Milegate. Them Phoenix sets are an excellent idea for surviving in this meta. I do have one request...
Stop tab-targeting me for meteors. 5 times I had Shooting Star from you hit me. Even when I was nowhere near anyone else and was like "Oh yeah, no meteors this time!" BAM meteor incoming "You blocked RP Nord Name that I can't remember how to spell correctly's shooting star...
Got 5 Phoenix reborn' shots on me in a death recap. Learned my lesson...
Great time fighting your group last night. Really enjoyed it. Now if ZOS can fix the lag and FPS drops, it would have been more epic.
Well organized groups (you call them Zergs) will never stop, just adjust. We're already figuring that out. Much of it is moving quickly, don't stand in one spot, use block more often, get impen. etc etc, we'll figure it out.
What we've now created is a way for the elite to solo groups of 20 on their own with suicide bombs.
Again, the well organized groups (5% of the player base) will adjust and be fine. The elite solo'er (0.1% of the population) will now bomb spots of natural choke points that just happens to have a lot of players.
The remaining 95%? They're goi8ng to die faster than ever in PvP now.
How is this good for the game?
Every time a zerg buster ability is added to the game....all it does it make the game worse for 95% of the population.
Luckily, I run with a well organized group.
They will then follow it up with "spread out" as they're intentionally waiting inside a choke point where you can't spread out. "Spread out" on the flag you can't actually spread out on guys, because, it sounds cool and makes me look like an ESO hipster saying it. When @Sypher does this on an open field, then yes, 'spread out' has merit, but you've only been capable of doing this in condensed chokes where you can't spread out, which was what players said over and over again in criticism of the balance of the set, but were told we don't know what we're talking about and just zergling baddies. Soooo, you're going to be doing this in the open Nikel field next right? No? Hmm, wonder why not?
Most of the organized pvp groups already came up with strats to counter this, you'll catch some off-guard or low on resources occasionally, but these vids will typically be about wiping players that aren't in groups, which, /golfclap xD ... dat wrobel balance where the game gets turned into an aoe FPS instead of having aoe caps addressed... lulz. FYI, most of the organized pvp groups will be outfitted in this as well, so GG, now we get to run cookie cutter builds and the meta is about who gets their ult off first. I'll be running this and fasalla's on my toons, but, I'm just honest enough to admit poor balance when I see it.
I mean - we talked about this set and AOE caps on We Are ESO... Sypher even agreed that he would rather have things like dynamic ult gen than this set.
This isnt the solution people wanted. But its a lot better than 30 idiots being completely invulnerable to a couple guys due to the fact those idiots are standing close to each other.
So if 1 or 2 players cant solo 30 players you think PvP is broken, I think this is whats wrong with PvP , the attitude that they should win 100 percent of the time no matter how many players the take on. Think about that for min, you really think you should be able to kill 30 players? If you can then its definitely broken.
Ball groups wont really stay in ball groups now cause they cant. Ball groups before have always stayed as ball groups though. I dont buy into the spreading thing. Ive fought them, Ive seen other guilds fight them. They balled up. They werent doing expert maneuvers or strategy. Theyre going to a spot in a ball. Nobody in the world should ever desire this. And if you scattered, youd get a portion of your group chunked out, and be unable to fight what remains. So they were always balled up.
I dont mean to diminish players or their guilds or their talents. But balling in this game or other MMOs is among the lowest skilled level of mass PVP Ive seen in any MMOs Ive PVPd in - or any game play from any genre Ive seen. Its why a lot of people have wanted it gone since it started to develop. Its why a lot of the really good guilds in this game quit a long time ago.
Its not really your fault - given the mechanics ZOS put in.
Its so easy...ENTIRE PUG zergs in Gw2 do it....So anyone claiming it was skill was woefully delusional.
GW2 is like 27 times harder game to play, you cant compare its casual players to casual ones on ESO.
Not really...I don't find it remotely harder to play at all.
Is it harder to play than DAOC?Ball groups wont really stay in ball groups now cause they cant. Ball groups before have always stayed as ball groups though. I dont buy into the spreading thing. Ive fought them, Ive seen other guilds fight them. They balled up. They werent doing expert maneuvers or strategy. Theyre going to a spot in a ball. Nobody in the world should ever desire this. And if you scattered, youd get a portion of your group chunked out, and be unable to fight what remains. So they were always balled up.
I dont mean to diminish players or their guilds or their talents. But balling in this game or other MMOs is among the lowest skilled level of mass PVP Ive seen in any MMOs Ive PVPd in - or any game play from any genre Ive seen. Its why a lot of people have wanted it gone since it started to develop. Its why a lot of the really good guilds in this game quit a long time ago.
Its not really your fault - given the mechanics ZOS put in.
Its so easy...ENTIRE PUG zergs in Gw2 do it....So anyone claiming it was skill was woefully delusional.
GW2 is like 27 times harder game to play, you cant compare its casual players to casual ones on ESO.
Not really...I don't find it remotely harder to play at all.
Is it harder to play than DAOC?
That would be harder to define... DAOC had some mechanics that make both games look like easy mode... But you didn't have things like active dodging or blocking.
@Zheg @Ghost-Shot i don't think he got it
Oh that entirely depends on how you look at that. Since he manages to trigger your forum zerg i personally think he achieves exactly what he wanted to.
But that´s just my interpertation
Ball groups wont really stay in ball groups now cause they cant. Ball groups before have always stayed as ball groups though. I dont buy into the spreading thing. Ive fought them, Ive seen other guilds fight them. They balled up. They werent doing expert maneuvers or strategy. Theyre going to a spot in a ball. Nobody in the world should ever desire this. And if you scattered, youd get a portion of your group chunked out, and be unable to fight what remains. So they were always balled up.
I dont mean to diminish players or their guilds or their talents. But balling in this game or other MMOs is among the lowest skilled level of mass PVP Ive seen in any MMOs Ive PVPd in - or any game play from any genre Ive seen. Its why a lot of people have wanted it gone since it started to develop. Its why a lot of the really good guilds in this game quit a long time ago.
Its not really your fault - given the mechanics ZOS put in.
Its so easy...ENTIRE PUG zergs in Gw2 do it....So anyone claiming it was skill was woefully delusional.
GW2 is like 27 times harder game to play, you cant compare its casual players to casual ones on ESO.
Not really...I don't find it remotely harder to play at all.
Is it harder to play than DAOC?Ball groups wont really stay in ball groups now cause they cant. Ball groups before have always stayed as ball groups though. I dont buy into the spreading thing. Ive fought them, Ive seen other guilds fight them. They balled up. They werent doing expert maneuvers or strategy. Theyre going to a spot in a ball. Nobody in the world should ever desire this. And if you scattered, youd get a portion of your group chunked out, and be unable to fight what remains. So they were always balled up.
I dont mean to diminish players or their guilds or their talents. But balling in this game or other MMOs is among the lowest skilled level of mass PVP Ive seen in any MMOs Ive PVPd in - or any game play from any genre Ive seen. Its why a lot of people have wanted it gone since it started to develop. Its why a lot of the really good guilds in this game quit a long time ago.
Its not really your fault - given the mechanics ZOS put in.
Its so easy...ENTIRE PUG zergs in Gw2 do it....So anyone claiming it was skill was woefully delusional.
GW2 is like 27 times harder game to play, you cant compare its casual players to casual ones on ESO.
Not really...I don't find it remotely harder to play at all.
Is it harder to play than DAOC?
That would be harder to define... DAOC had some mechanics that make both games look like easy mode... But you didn't have things like active dodging or blocking.
@Zheg @Ghost-Shot i don't think he got it
@Satiar had a blast fighting your group last night around Chalman Milegate. Them Phoenix sets are an excellent idea for surviving in this meta. I do have one request...
Stop tab-targeting me for meteors. 5 times I had Shooting Star from you hit me. Even when I was nowhere near anyone else and was like "Oh yeah, no meteors this time!" BAM meteor incoming "You blocked RP Nord Name that I can't remember how to spell correctly's shooting star...
Got 5 Phoenix reborn' shots on me in a death recap. Learned my lesson...
Great time fighting your group last night. Really enjoyed it. Now if ZOS can fix the lag and FPS drops, it would have been more epic.
I was really sad you guys pulled off! That was our first fight of the night, a bit rough on the warmup side of things but it was going pretty strong back and forth by the end!
@Satiar had a blast fighting your group last night around Chalman Milegate. Them Phoenix sets are an excellent idea for surviving in this meta. I do have one request...
Stop tab-targeting me for meteors. 5 times I had Shooting Star from you hit me. Even when I was nowhere near anyone else and was like "Oh yeah, no meteors this time!" BAM meteor incoming "You blocked RP Nord Name that I can't remember how to spell correctly's shooting star...
Got 5 Phoenix reborn' shots on me in a death recap. Learned my lesson...
Great time fighting your group last night. Really enjoyed it. Now if ZOS can fix the lag and FPS drops, it would have been more epic.
I was really sad you guys pulled off! That was our first fight of the night, a bit rough on the warmup side of things but it was going pretty strong back and forth by the end!
We had quite a few leave for Veteran Maw of Lorkahj; performance issues for others. Our leader crashed and it took him around 15 minutes to get back into the game.
Others had been playing at sub 10 FPS, an issue that was supposedly hot fixed. Any update on another hot fix for that @ZOS_GinaBruno ?
The 600+ ping also got old. What happened to those Thieves Guild performance fixes @ZOS_BrianWheeler ?
To bad you all missed Alessia last night. Quite literally a pop locked AD was all there and couldn't take the Castle back. 70k AP in 30 minutes. xD
@Satiar had a blast fighting your group last night around Chalman Milegate. Them Phoenix sets are an excellent idea for surviving in this meta. I do have one request...
Stop tab-targeting me for meteors. 5 times I had Shooting Star from you hit me. Even when I was nowhere near anyone else and was like "Oh yeah, no meteors this time!" BAM meteor incoming "You blocked RP Nord Name that I can't remember how to spell correctly's shooting star...
Got 5 Phoenix reborn' shots on me in a death recap. Learned my lesson...
Great time fighting your group last night. Really enjoyed it. Now if ZOS can fix the lag and FPS drops, it would have been more epic.
I was really sad you guys pulled off! That was our first fight of the night, a bit rough on the warmup side of things but it was going pretty strong back and forth by the end!
We had quite a few leave for Veteran Maw of Lorkahj; performance issues for others. Our leader crashed and it took him around 15 minutes to get back into the game.
Others had been playing at sub 10 FPS, an issue that was supposedly hot fixed. Any update on another hot fix for that @ZOS_GinaBruno ?
The 600+ ping also got old. What happened to those Thieves Guild performance fixes @ZOS_BrianWheeler ?
To bad you all missed Alessia last night. Quite literally a pop locked AD was all there and couldn't take the Castle back. 70k AP in 30 minutes. xD
Only real group that was there was an under-geared victorem group that i saw and I'm the only one in that guild (well me and crown now to my knowledge) that has a full set of VD (and i don't think many are close to it yet)...the rest i think were pugs who don't know how to push into a breach whatsoever...
@Satiar had a blast fighting your group last night around Chalman Milegate. Them Phoenix sets are an excellent idea for surviving in this meta. I do have one request...
Stop tab-targeting me for meteors. 5 times I had Shooting Star from you hit me. Even when I was nowhere near anyone else and was like "Oh yeah, no meteors this time!" BAM meteor incoming "You blocked RP Nord Name that I can't remember how to spell correctly's shooting star...
Got 5 Phoenix reborn' shots on me in a death recap. Learned my lesson...
Great time fighting your group last night. Really enjoyed it. Now if ZOS can fix the lag and FPS drops, it would have been more epic.
I was really sad you guys pulled off! That was our first fight of the night, a bit rough on the warmup side of things but it was going pretty strong back and forth by the end!
We had quite a few leave for Veteran Maw of Lorkahj; performance issues for others. Our leader crashed and it took him around 15 minutes to get back into the game.
Others had been playing at sub 10 FPS, an issue that was supposedly hot fixed. Any update on another hot fix for that @ZOS_GinaBruno ?
The 600+ ping also got old. What happened to those Thieves Guild performance fixes @ZOS_BrianWheeler ?
To bad you all missed Alessia last night. Quite literally a pop locked AD was all there and couldn't take the Castle back. 70k AP in 30 minutes. xD
Only real group that was there was an under-geared victorem group that i saw and I'm the only one in that guild (well me and crown now to my knowledge) that has a full set of VD (and i don't think many are close to it yet)...the rest i think were pugs who don't know how to push into a breach whatsoever...
If you want to get technical.. To myself and a majority of my group, no one was there. No AD rendered, group mates didn't render, no chevrons or crown. So I couldn't tell if it was pugs or organized guild.
Friend of mine running Core i7 6700k with 32GB RAM and Radeon R9 Fury 4K had the same issue with FPS under 10. @ZOS_BrianWheeler thought this was getting fixed in Thieves Guild? How would you recommend I build a computer to get 60 FPS in Cyrodiil in big battles?