Kendaric wrote: »

Who is this Fengrush and why do people consider him and opinions important?

He streams, therefore his opinion is apparently important.

His opinion resonates with a lot of people, hence why he's become important enough for people to regard him and his success as a twitch broadcaster with contempt.

They really should listen to this guy.

ZOS caters casual and new players too much.
Don't get me wrong, they should.
But they should also produce long term content for non-casuals. Once people DO get into the game, they should keep them.

Cyrodill is there since vanilla. Not much has changed, and they refuse to fix aoe caps.
IC is a big miss for the PvP population, it now serves as a PvE grind spot with grievers.
One solo arena that has no replay value once you get the desired weapon.
One long overdue max level trial.

Wing wrote: »

people don't listen to his opinions not because he is a streamer, but because they agree with what he says.

people don't agree with streamers because they have followers.

they follow streamers because they agree with them.

maybe you should watch the video then comment instead of commenting on something you know nothing about.

@Wing ,

I did very carefully watch his recent video "Amazing Siege Battle".
BTW his charactername there is "balancebywrobel"
that is odd to say the least.
Certainly not constructive or cooperative.

I see a very good player !!!

But I also see a player that, when he dies at the end of the vid in a 1vs2 fight.....
blames his damage stats......
huh ???
that's a weird judgment/conclusion.

I think Fengrush is a very good player, with a very good technical insight and great technical skills.
But his opinion on things is no less and no more valuable than that of many others.

https://youtu.be/1dNPaUQqHaQ?t=1977

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

For those of you that don't want to watch the whole thing, there is a really important part at 17minutes 17 seconds.

I find it so important that the community understands the nature of ZOS's closed door meetings with select portions of the game community that I have taken the time to transcribe it here.

They did this whole guild meeting. You guys know they did guild meetings with the community? Let me tell you how a guild meeting goes with the community ok because I've been there: They get the trade guilds together...the pve guilds, they get together too. We made a guild group to get together. The PvP guilds, they wouldn't talk to us alone, we had to engage the trade guilds to actually get Zenimax's attention - to get them together to talk with us and we did that. They put together the meeting. Zenimax comes in, they say "Listen, give us your questions and we will answer what we want. And if we don't like your questions, or you get out of line, we're gonna ban you from the teamspeak" If they didn't like what you had to say, they would just tune you out. It's such a one-sided way to communicate.

[Emphasis Added]

I have no idea why they trade guilds have so much sway with ZOS. I have read threads posted on these forums bragging about how much sway they have. They barely play the game, just manipulate the economy like this was EVE online.

There appears to be no equal representation with ZOS. PvE'ers, RP'ers, and trade guild but PvP guilds are second class citizens in guild meetings.

I know of some of the people that actually do the trade guilds meeting with zos thing... it's true they aren't elite players.. but they do ask their guilds for suggestions and questions and they are mostly 500 cap guilds. That's why they have input...

I'm not going to say who or even explain things... but I have personally explained to these officers issues (mostly exploits being used) and they took them to zos and ZOS fixed the problems.

I ain't going to say what I got fixed.. but it was 100% through an officer going to those meetings. A lot of those guilds are also cross faction and only have active players, they aren't a 500 player capped guild with a roster that's mostly inactive.

Truth be told these trade guild representatives have done far more to fix problems in pvp than Fengrush has... being he's actually part of the problem and all.

They may have 500 members but most of those member are only in the guild to access a guild store vendor and have no idea that their guild is holding meetings with ZOS. That means the guildmaster and his officers claim have pretty much exclusive control over what they tell ZOS while claiming they speak for 500 people that don't even know they are being spoken for.

This again focuses a ton of influence on a few people and does not equally represent the entire ESO community.

yes and no

I am member of a guild that always asks her members to come up with questions and issues. Not even mentioning the teamspeak and guild chat.

hrothbern wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

people don't listen to his opinions not because he is a streamer, but because they agree with what he says.

people don't agree with streamers because they have followers.

they follow streamers because they agree with them.

maybe you should watch the video then comment instead of commenting on something you know nothing about.

@Wing ,

I did very carefully watch his recent video "Amazing Siege Battle".
BTW his charactername there is "balancebywrobel"
that is odd to say the least.
Certainly not constructive or cooperative.

I see a very good player !!!

But I also see a player that, when he dies at the end of the vid in a 1vs2 fight.....
blames his damage stats......
huh ???
that's a weird judgment/conclusion.

I think Fengrush is a very good player, with a very good technical insight and great technical skills.
But his opinion on things is no less and no more valuable than that of many others.

I think you're missing the real issue at hand, not that he looses a 1v2 fight and blames it on his stats.

The core problem is that issues in pvp dont get fixed/balanced properly.

Shieldstacking OP? Introduce a stamina only 5pc that ignores dmg shields. Instead of balancing the shieldstacking mechanics, lazy fix and sorcs are still extremely hard to kill 1v1 for magicka builds.

Big raids are OP because they only take 50% or 25% dmg caused by AOE caps in place. Do they remove AOE caps? No, they buff Proxy Det and introduce a magicka only 5pc set that makes players explode when they die. How will this help stamina builds deal with large groups? Again lazy fix, everyone in pvp pushed to magicka (besides the bombard/caltrops/rapid slaves).

The frustration probably comes from the fact that he sees that the way ZOS addresses problems in pvp clearly doesnt work.

I find it both hilarious and sad that people unironically watch youtube videos made by these kind of.. Men.

I think the point here is that ZoS is really amateur in the management department.

The fact that there are still so many active players when almost every other mmo to date has failed badly, means that they have a real good product. But what they are doing with this product is sad.

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

hrothbern wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

people don't listen to his opinions not because he is a streamer, but because they agree with what he says.

people don't agree with streamers because they have followers.

they follow streamers because they agree with them.

maybe you should watch the video then comment instead of commenting on something you know nothing about.

@Wing ,

I did very carefully watch his recent video "Amazing Siege Battle".
BTW his charactername there is "balancebywrobel"
that is odd to say the least.
Certainly not constructive or cooperative.

I see a very good player !!!

But I also see a player that, when he dies at the end of the vid in a 1vs2 fight.....
blames his damage stats......
huh ???
that's a weird judgment/conclusion.

I think Fengrush is a very good player, with a very good technical insight and great technical skills.
But his opinion on things is no less and no more valuable than that of many others.

I think you're missing the real issue at hand, not that he looses a 1v2 fight and blames it on his stats.

The core problem is that issues in pvp dont get fixed/balanced properly.

Shieldstacking OP? Introduce a stamina only 5pc that ignores dmg shields. Instead of balancing the shieldstacking mechanics, lazy fix and sorcs are still extremely hard to kill 1v1 for magicka builds.

Big raids are OP because they only take 50% or 25% dmg caused by AOE caps in place. Do they remove AOE caps? No, they buff Proxy Det and introduce a magicka only 5pc set that makes players explode when they die. How will this help stamina builds deal with large groups? Again lazy fix, everyone in pvp pushed to magicka (besides the bombard/caltrops/rapid slaves).

The frustration probably comes from the fact that he sees that the way ZOS addresses problems in pvp clearly doesnt work.

@Septimus_Magna ,

I understand the frustration of @Fengrush and many others very well
I am in the game since April 2014.
sooooo many issues that for some unknown reason are not handled in a decent time frame
It is maddening.
So I am with you there... and BTW I am foremost a Tank.....

BUT it does not help to hammer on the same nail all the time in such a way
and let the frustration grab you to the point that
sooooooo many discussions on this forum are or derail to just toxic preaching to the choir.

Zos don't know how lucky they are with no real competition in the mmo market (especially pvp). In the glorious days after wow with the huge peak in numbers of tripple A mmos, companies couldn't allow to be so lazy with fixes and content.

And today most mmos would beat ESO in most aspects. Particularly in customer relationship and communication..and of course bugfixing and stable servers..

it's sad because it's all so true, this game has so much potential or had.

But that's all it's ever been and we've all been waiting around to see it and it's disappointment after disappointment

Unreflected and narrow minded view of a player, who plays and an MMO with AvA and complaining about no small scale pvp...

Funny how this thread hasn't been closed yet.

I mentioned syphers twitch name in a post yesterday and bam, it was removed. But this is fine?

If you're going to play ESO as a hardcore experience, you're gonna have a bad time. It's not a hardcore game, nor will it ever be. Streamers like this always make me laugh somewhat, like they think their opinion is more important than anyone else because they stream.

The term casual has no meaning around here, and yet it's bandied about like it's some sort of dirty word. Not everyone has 12 hours a day to sink into a game. Real world responsibilities take over. I can maybe play a couple of hours in the evenings, maybe a little more at weekends. Am I a casual? Likely. Do I care? Not even a little bit.

As I've said on another thread - he does have a few good points. ZOS really needs to step up their QA team for one thing. Massively. And patches need a lot more rigorous testing before they hit live. But all of his good points are lost in a foul mouthed and disrespectful rant that does nothing any good whatsoever. This is exactly the kind of person that plays a game, screams for changes, moves on after they get what they want put in game and does exactly the same thing with the next MMO. And the next one. Constructive criticism is better than a tirade that the devs won't listen to, and nor should they. They're not paid enough to put up with rubbish like this.

Things definitely need fixing. Things certainly need to be made better in the game. But this isn't the way to get it. I saw a lot of customers like this in retail, ranting at the underpaid staff to get what they want. It does nobody any good.