Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Or like the 20meter self empowered WBs
Or like 25k shields
Or like fear
Or like "I am a stamina nightblade, I can only use cloak 7 times in a row"
Or like...

someone please continue these were the first ones that came to my mind.

The nb mentions lol as if u can't break free instantly aoe or magelight

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to typically do more damage than the soul assault ultimate.

You're forgetting most of the dmg of Radiant is overflow dmg which is irrelevant. Also Soul Assault is not an execute and therefore does not scale +330% like Radiant Destruction or up to +370% like Radiant Oppression. However, an enormous portion of the dmg on Radiant is overflow which means nothing. You have to look at the actual context of the fight, how much hp you had left, how hard radiant hit on each tick etc. If you only look at the final dmg it fails to show you the real picture of what happened.

Edit: Seems OP is mad cause Templar's are chillin in the back of a group executing fools who fall to 30% HP. They should always be focus firing the Templar first anyway (heals), and if they were this wouldn't be an issue.

The truly hilarious part is Templar using RD above 50% hp are LOSING DPS to do this and relying on their group to get you to execute range. It's no diff than a sorc planting his execute on you then bursting you down to execute range so the explosion can fire off and kill you.

I find it ironic that most of the people complaining probably ran around in zerg balls spamming steel tornado previously...

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

If blabafat says its op its enough for me to support him. He mains a templar which is more then enough for me to put faith in his opinion.

I main a nightblade. l just cloak RD so its not an issue. However i do die to RD a lot. Unlike other execute's it cannot be dodged. When i get caught with no magicka it's byebye for me.

The point is, their are people on this forum who will defend anything because they are using it. However when the people using it come and confess it's to stronge is different.

To put this into perspective. I think fear is op. I personally do not use it because it become's unfair when in laggy situation's. I did'nt earn my kill. It's op because of the delay it takes to cc break. Which needs a fix. However every FoTM nb will defend the ability.

We need more players coming forth trying to balance the game such as blabafat. Don't harp about other classes. Worry about your own.

See, this is the problem with the forums. Instead of thinking for yourself you blindly accept the word of another player instead of using MATH and FACTS to come to a conclusion. Don't take ANYTHING on Faith! Also, Blabafat admitted he made a mistake and was incorrect.

@AfkNinja

I play all classes. I also stay solo. I me never in a group except occasionally my good friend joins me. Maybe for a sorc or stam templar, radiant isn't an issue. This skill is doing too much damage, it's range is ridiculous, it can be dodged off, you can't cloak away from it. Only option is to block. 1v1 maybe it's not an issue, but when you in a fight and all the sudden a templar radiant you from a mile away, your done. You don't have yo be at 30% health. This skill is hitting hard as *** for an execute. It can tick for 9k without execute range. No other execute can tick like that.

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

If blabafat says its op its enough for me to support him. He mains a templar which is more then enough for me to put faith in his opinion.

I main a nightblade. l just cloak RD so its not an issue. However i do die to RD a lot. Unlike other execute's it cannot be dodged. When i get caught with no magicka it's byebye for me.

The point is, their are people on this forum who will defend anything because they are using it. However when the people using it come and confess it's to stronge is different.

To put this into perspective. I think fear is op. I personally do not use it because it become's unfair when in laggy situation's. I did'nt earn my kill. It's op because of the delay it takes to cc break. Which needs a fix. However every FoTM nb will defend the ability.

We need more players coming forth trying to balance the game such as blabafat. Don't harp about other classes. Worry about your own.

See, this is the problem with the forums. Instead of thinking for yourself you blindly accept the word of another player instead of using MATH and FACTS to come to a conclusion. Also, Blabafat admitted he made a mistake and was incorrect.

This does not mean i will not take his mistake into consideration. However i would rather not make assumptions myself about a class i do not use. I personally do not have a clue about a templars kit other then a couple abilitys.

I support the facts always yes. However im not going to go searching for answers on somthing that is irrelevent for me to know.

Please don't take this the wrong way, no offense implied. But if you aren't going to make sure your argument is correct why make an argument at all?

TequilaFire wrote: »

RD is the least of my problems in Cyrodill, now if you want to talk bats, WB and proxy det that is another story.

Prox det is just ridiculous. Idc about wb. I don't use it and it doesn't effect me

i really switched away from my templar. thus i don't have that incentive to defend templars here:

1) right now i can still shield through a single player's RD at all health levels when spamming healign ward (not saying I should do this at full life, for example, but it's possible and available to all magicka classes).

2) i would LOVE more incentive to use crushing shock/venom arrow/deep breath and bash outside of cheese bash builds and usign it for extra damage in a la-skill-bash animation cancelling rotation. sure this requires playable pings but imho interrupting key abilities is what pvp should be about

3) if a templar wants to challenge you with the sick execute damage he is actually one of the squishier opponents (despite heals). shields, cloak, mobility, flappy wings, all work better than light armor templars with tons of spell damage, especially dual wielding. i'm not saying this playstyle is abad idea, but imho the templar sacrifices something real for sick executes (unlike the old stamblades and magsorc archtypes)

in summary, i'm fien with the damage. mainly because i really, really want the aspect of interrupting to become more important.

AfkNinja wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

If blabafat says its op its enough for me to support him. He mains a templar which is more then enough for me to put faith in his opinion.

I main a nightblade. l just cloak RD so its not an issue. However i do die to RD a lot. Unlike other execute's it cannot be dodged. When i get caught with no magicka it's byebye for me.
The point is, their are people on this forum who will defend anything because they are using it. However when the people using it come and confess it's to stronge is different.

To put this into perspective. I think fear is op. I personally do not use it because it become's unfair when in laggy situation's. I did'nt earn my kill. It's op because of the delay it takes to cc break. Which needs a fix. However every FoTM nb will defend the ability.

We need more players coming forth trying to balance the game such as blabafat. Don't harp about other classes. Worry about your own.

See, this is the problem with the forums. Instead of thinking for yourself you blindly accept the word of another player instead of using MATH and FACTS to come to a conclusion. Also, Blabafat admitted he made a mistake and was incorrect.

This does not mean i will not take his mistake into consideration. However i would rather not make assumptions myself about a class i do not use. I personally do not have a clue about a templars kit other then a couple abilitys.

I support the facts always yes. However im not going to go searching for answers on somthing that is irrelevent for me to know.

Please don't take this the wrong way, no offense implied. But if you aren't going to make sure your argument is correct why make an argument at all?

No offence taken.

Why would i need to correct my argument when its not me who started the argument?

I'm just supporting the one who made the claim. He ended up making a mistake though and now has backed on his initial claim.

My argument is that i have faith in Blabafat's opinion about a class. Even though he has backed off his origianal claim does not make me wrong for supporting him.

I believe Blabafat to be a competant templar player. Ive seen many of his templar videos and understand he has a much stronger grasp of the class then i do.

Does that make me wrong for supporting him? No. It just mean's i'm lazy and don't want to search for the facts myself. However i had faith with Blabafats ability to judge RD.

blabafat wrote: »

I admitted that my example video was not an accurate representation of the damage, and it was an extreme. My opinion on the ability remains: it should be toned down in damage.

The damage, range, and it being undodgeable make it op. ALL of these things COMBINED is why I believe it is over performing. It should remain undodgeable, and the damage needs to be adjusted (full cast from full health does too much dmg imo). Check out Jules' video to see

Thanks. And i hope you forgive me for originally tel you to stfu when you said it. Cause I was templar defending.

AfkNinja wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

@AfkNinja

I play all classes. I also stay solo. I me never in a group except occasionally my good friend joins me. Maybe for a sorc or stam templar, radiant isn't an issue. This skill is doing too much damage, it's range is ridiculous, it can be dodged off, you can't cloak away from it. Only option is to block. 1v1 maybe it's not an issue, but when you in a fight and all the sudden a templar radiant you from a mile away, your done. You don't have yo be at 30% health. This skill is hitting hard as *** for an execute. It can tick for 9k without execute range. No other execute can tick like that.

Please stop making things up, it helps no one to make an argument without facts. It will not hit for 9,000 dmg per tick before execute range period. If you want to make this claim you need to prove it.

I understand your frustration and this is not personal but your not using facts here, you're making up numbers (I also used your own made up numbers to show you that the dmg is not out of line). Also there is a HUGE list of ways to stop it, posted in this very thread!!! Stop acting like you are helpless! If I can handle it on my Stamplar so can you! What does it frikken matter if it hits me for 15,000 dmg when I have 5,000 left? A heavy attack would kill me at that point!

Dude go *** yourself. You calling me a liar. I have a magick templar. I am looking at these #s. How about you prove that it doesn't??

You made the argument, burden of proof is on you??? Also seriously, please stop taking this so personally. I am not attacking you, just disagreeing with the methods of your argument.

calling someone a liar is an attack. im the defendant, so you must provide evidence. dont you know anything??

sirrmattus wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

@AfkNinja

I play all classes. I also stay solo. I me never in a group except occasionally my good friend joins me. Maybe for a sorc or stam templar, radiant isn't an issue. This skill is doing too much damage, it's range is ridiculous, it can be dodged off, you can't cloak away from it. Only option is to block. 1v1 maybe it's not an issue, but when you in a fight and all the sudden a templar radiant you from a mile away, your done. You don't have yo be at 30% health. This skill is hitting hard as *** for an execute. It can tick for 9k without execute range. No other execute can tick like that.

Please stop making things up, it helps no one to make an argument without facts. It will not hit for 9,000 dmg per tick before execute range period. If you want to make this claim you need to prove it.

I understand your frustration and this is not personal but your not using facts here, you're making up numbers (I also used your own made up numbers to show you that the dmg is not out of line). Also there is a HUGE list of ways to stop it, posted in this very thread!!! Stop acting like you are helpless! If I can handle it on my Stamplar so can you! What does it frikken matter if it hits me for 15,000 dmg when I have 5,000 left? A heavy attack would kill me at that point!

Dude go *** yourself. You calling me a liar. I have a magick templar. I am looking at these #s. How about you prove that it doesn't??

You made the argument, burden of proof is on you??? Also seriously, please stop taking this so personally. I am not attacking you, just disagreeing with the methods of your argument.

calling someone a liar is an attack. im the defendant, so you must provide evidence. dont you know anything??

I think you are mistaken on how to debate. In debate it is always the person making a claim that has to provide evidence of the claim. I was merely pointing out you were grabbing random numbers out of thin air without a single screen shot to back up anything. You then started getting very upset that I was disagreeing with you and instead of providing evidence to back up your claims you doubled down on fake numbers and started flinging insults around like telling me to go @#$#$ myself. Really? This is how a mature adult debates his points? How do you expect anyone to listen to you when you provide no facts and resort to personal attacks when people don't immediately agree with you?

Forgive me for being critical of ALL arguments and requiring EVIDENCE before I accept an argument.

Once again, this is not personal, can we please be civil?

Lexxypwns wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

mag temps dont even need any other skill in pvp anymore

Gina said they already looked into this and you are wrong, It's working as intended. Don't let yourself get to 30% HP when fighting a Templar or they will execute you. Like pretty much EVERY CLASS WILL.

Dude, no class can hit you for 19k at 30% hp. Dont kid yourself
no class can hit for 19k in pvp period (except sorc overload, which can be dodged and reflected)

False, in the 3 second channel from jesus beam a NB, sorc, or any 2h user can do more than 19k damage by far with impale, killer's blade, mage's wrath, executioner

Also, leap, meteor, prox det do as much without being in execute range

TWO HANDERS NO YOUR WRONG.
No executioner will not hit for 19k in pvp.. A 38K+ HIT IN PVE... highest hitting two handed WREAKING BLOW off empower ... your in the 10 to 12 ballpark with 12 being extreme after the patch... executioner does really good if it's hitting for 10k ...
KEEP in mind melee has to put itself in more harm then range attacks ... we have to get to targets.. do damage then execute.. ..