Rate your PvP experience after the Thieves Guild update

Lava_Croft · March 2016

Anonymous voting because this reflects ZOS company policy of secrecy.

1 to 10, worst to best.

Wollust · March 2016

I don't know why but I like it better than last patch. Needless to say it's still pretty bad though regarding bugs and performance.

HoloYoitsu · March 2016

Why does the scale not go into the negative?

Mojmir · March 2016

not enough campaigns

Master_Kas · March 2016

Very bad, to many bugs and stupid changes (imo)

There are some things I like, the forward camps, the ap changes and the new sets looks interesting.

Dislike: Magicka build meta, elder snares online: roots unlimited, rapid manouvers change, performance issues (FPS and Lag worse than ever for me), the no-sound bug, and the stealthnerf/bug to normal and mounted movement speed.

KenaPKK · March 2016

Need another cp-enabled vet campaign, less lag, and balance sorc shields. Also finish the Imp City DLC with significant PvP objectives... Then I'm happy. Overall it feels better to me than last patch.

driosketch · March 2016

I can't put my finger on it, but I actually feel stronger in this update than before. My AP gains are also more than the double increase they added. While the sound issue is annoying, lag has been less cumbersome.

lolo_01b16_ESO · March 2016

Bugs are way more annoying than before the patch. Most frustrating is when you report bugs on pts and they still make it onto the live server.

Eirella · March 2016

Awful.

ChrisXO · March 2016

Lovin' it

Ffastyl · March 2016

The no CP fights have been amazing, but AD heavily outnumbers people all the time. #PopulationImbalanceIsBack

Poxheart · March 2016

Haven't patched & probably won't based on comments I've seen here.

zyk · March 2016

It's too early to tell how the gameplay changes will work out. We won't know the true results until we've adapted to the new gameplay.

Most have not yet adapted. It's an ongoing process that never ends really, but obviously the rate of change is faster during the first few weeks of a new patch. It is possible this is a bumpy path to something better.

For example, most groups are in the process of learning how to play without stacking. Those that haven't begun to adapt have suffered via proxy det. They will eventually adapt. The same is true of intelligent use of rapids and purge.

I enjoyed most of Saturday and Sunday on NA TF. The largest flaw in the game remains server performance. Non-stop bombing is fun for now, but will soon grow old.

I hope groups adapt to the proxy changes by shrinking in size and spreading out. I know some 24 player groups have been successful, but I wonder if the work is still worth the results. Time will tell.

Zheg · March 2016

The pvp meta is the least enjoyable for me across all play styles. Even when I'm solo, I tend to prefer going to large keep battles and usually spend most of my combat time snared or rooted - and that's WITH purify being used. The siege is also moronic. There is simply too much siege at large fights because it's too easy. It's a nuisance, I just want to fight people and use my skills for something other than purify/heal/mist form. Yesterday I stood on the wall of BRK with a cold fire ballista and the AP just rolled in, I didn't have to do jack squat and was in zero danger. Everybody that died just rezzed up with a forward camp, and it seemed like the fight only ended because people were getting tired of dying and rezzing.

As far as group play goes, you cannot push objectives with a single group any more if it's well defended. The siege damage does not allow for it because frankly, healing is absolute garbage in this patch with the amount of damage going out and the amount of heal debuffs going out (and more to come with fasalla's guile). I anticipate an even further devolution into toxicity between the playerbase as alliances end up stacking to go assault keeps.

The most enjoyable fights are out in the middle of the field while solo or in a small man, the least enjoyable (even when we win) are the keep fights. Bravo WW2, your balance, foresight, and judgment live up to the acronym I've started referring to you by.

Rylana · March 2016

Zheg wrote: »

The pvp meta is the least enjoyable for me across all play styles. Even when I'm solo, I tend to prefer going to large keep battles and usually spend most of my combat time snared or rooted - and that's WITH purify being used. The siege is also moronic. There is simply too much siege at large fights because it's too easy. It's a nuisance, I just want to fight people and use my skills for something other than purify/heal/mist form. Yesterday I stood on the wall of BRK with a cold fire ballista and the AP just rolled in, I didn't have to do jack squat and was in zero danger. Everybody that died just rezzed up with a forward camp, and it seemed like the fight only ended because people were getting tired of dying and rezzing.

As far as group play goes, you cannot push objectives with a single group any more if it's well defended. The siege damage does not allow for it because frankly, healing is absolute garbage in this patch with the amount of damage going out and the amount of heal debuffs going out (and more to come with fasalla's guile). I anticipate an even further devolution into toxicity between the playerbase as alliances end up stacking to go assault keeps.

The most enjoyable fights are out in the middle of the field while solo or in a small man, the least enjoyable (even when we win) are the keep fights. Bravo WW2, your balance, foresight, and judgment live up to the acronym I've started referring to you by.

Pretty much this, I was on my AD magicka DK the other day zergdiving your raid to test my new survival build (great success may i add, you guys have the worst luck with the dolmen outside of nikel), and noticed you guys had given up trying to take keeps after that fiasco in BRK (when id switched to my sorc and kept detting your from mah epic ledge of safety) where it was basically a stair/backflag fight for 20 straight minutes of AD just throwing bodies into your group until someone pithy threw about six trebs on the wall and that was the end of it, cause you got trebbed on the ring and rekt.

By all rights you should have had that keep, but new meta (siege + camps) pretty much made that impossible, and ive seen it too, taking a keep for DR has been a crapshoot if numbers approach even + siege. Its just crazy how much the siege affects the fight. Even counter siege doesnt do much to help unless the opponents get caught or a lucky shot takes down a crown or clutch healer somehow.

Its just.... i dont even know right now. I cant stand objective fighting right now. Open field is really the only good fight, and theres no tick for that so its crap for AP as well once camps get involved and people lose value from deaths. Had an excellent fight with Khole and some AD guilds outside of Sej today on Haderus, and that one fight alone (30 or so minutes in the ruins west of sej, 20 of us vs about 10 Khole and 20-30 AD fighting us both) was the only time group movement and coordination wasnt trumped by the inability to purge/rapids or heal through a hailstorm of death at a breach.

Depending on toon, what im doing, and where I am fighting im rating the current PvP meta 3-5 (three if its a keep fight, 5 if its open field with camps, but its still down sharply from just a couple weeks ago) The nightblade/DK detsquads are borderline silly right now.

Also on a sidenote, as I was leading the DR group tonight for the first time since patch - that soundless lag crap is truly the most distracting thing I have ever experienced in a video game. That by itself pretty much makes laggy keep fights 10 times worse than before TG.

Satiar · March 2016

Rylana wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

The pvp meta is the least enjoyable for me across all play styles. Even when I'm solo, I tend to prefer going to large keep battles and usually spend most of my combat time snared or rooted - and that's WITH purify being used. The siege is also moronic. There is simply too much siege at large fights because it's too easy. It's a nuisance, I just want to fight people and use my skills for something other than purify/heal/mist form. Yesterday I stood on the wall of BRK with a cold fire ballista and the AP just rolled in, I didn't have to do jack squat and was in zero danger. Everybody that died just rezzed up with a forward camp, and it seemed like the fight only ended because people were getting tired of dying and rezzing.

As far as group play goes, you cannot push objectives with a single group any more if it's well defended. The siege damage does not allow for it because frankly, healing is absolute garbage in this patch with the amount of damage going out and the amount of heal debuffs going out (and more to come with fasalla's guile). I anticipate an even further devolution into toxicity between the playerbase as alliances end up stacking to go assault keeps.

The most enjoyable fights are out in the middle of the field while solo or in a small man, the least enjoyable (even when we win) are the keep fights. Bravo WW2, your balance, foresight, and judgment live up to the acronym I've started referring to you by.

Pretty much this, I was on my AD magicka DK the other day zergdiving your raid to test my new survival build (great success may i add, you guys have the worst luck with the dolmen outside of nikel), and noticed you guys had given up trying to take keeps after that fiasco in BRK (when id switched to my sorc and kept detting your from mah epic ledge of safety) where it was basically a stair/backflag fight for 20 straight minutes of AD just throwing bodies into your group until someone pithy threw about six trebs on the wall and that was the end of it, cause you got trebbed on the ring and rekt.

By all rights you should have had that keep, but new meta (siege + camps) pretty much made that impossible, and ive seen it too, taking a keep for DR has been a crapshoot if numbers approach even + siege. Its just crazy how much the siege affects the fight. Even counter siege doesnt do much to help unless the opponents get caught or a lucky shot takes down a crown or clutch healer somehow.

Its just.... i dont even know right now. I cant stand objective fighting right now. Open field is really the only good fight, and theres no tick for that so its crap for AP as well once camps get involved and people lose value from deaths. Had an excellent fight with Khole and some AD guilds outside of Sej today on Haderus, and that one fight alone (30 or so minutes in the ruins west of sej, 20 of us vs about 10 Khole and 20-30 AD fighting us both) was the only time group movement and coordination wasnt trumped by the inability to purge/rapids or heal through a hailstorm of death at a breach.

Depending on toon, what im doing, and where I am fighting im rating the current PvP meta 3-5 (three if its a keep fight, 5 if its open field with camps, but its still down sharply from just a couple weeks ago) The nightblade/DK detsquads are borderline silly right now.

Also on a sidenote, as I was leading the DR group tonight for the first time since patch - that soundless lag crap is truly the most distracting thing I have ever experienced in a video game. That by itself pretty much makes laggy keep fights 10 times worse than before TG.

That dolmen had 20 siege on it I swear to Akatosh. Why AD expected us to keep pushing Nickel instead of coming to Ash with that horde i shall never know.

Iyas · March 2016

Only problem is still the lag on EU primetime servers. Except that I love the game.

Rylana · March 2016

Iyas wrote: »

Only problem is still the lag on EU primetime servers. Except that I love the game.

The lag is just as bad on NA, I am sure. From 6pm - 10pm local, Trueflame is almost unplayable

mchermie · March 2016

Elder slows online

Zheg · March 2016

Rylana wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

The pvp meta is the least enjoyable for me across all play styles. Even when I'm solo, I tend to prefer going to large keep battles and usually spend most of my combat time snared or rooted - and that's WITH purify being used. The siege is also moronic. There is simply too much siege at large fights because it's too easy. It's a nuisance, I just want to fight people and use my skills for something other than purify/heal/mist form. Yesterday I stood on the wall of BRK with a cold fire ballista and the AP just rolled in, I didn't have to do jack squat and was in zero danger. Everybody that died just rezzed up with a forward camp, and it seemed like the fight only ended because people were getting tired of dying and rezzing.

As far as group play goes, you cannot push objectives with a single group any more if it's well defended. The siege damage does not allow for it because frankly, healing is absolute garbage in this patch with the amount of damage going out and the amount of heal debuffs going out (and more to come with fasalla's guile). I anticipate an even further devolution into toxicity between the playerbase as alliances end up stacking to go assault keeps.

The most enjoyable fights are out in the middle of the field while solo or in a small man, the least enjoyable (even when we win) are the keep fights. Bravo WW2, your balance, foresight, and judgment live up to the acronym I've started referring to you by.

Pretty much this, I was on my AD magicka DK the other day zergdiving your raid to test my new survival build (great success may i add, you guys have the worst luck with the dolmen outside of nikel), and noticed you guys had given up trying to take keeps after that fiasco in BRK (when id switched to my sorc and kept detting your from mah epic ledge of safety) where it was basically a stair/backflag fight for 20 straight minutes of AD just throwing bodies into your group until someone pithy threw about six trebs on the wall and that was the end of it, cause you got trebbed on the ring and rekt.

By all rights you should have had that keep, but new meta (siege + camps) pretty much made that impossible, and ive seen it too, taking a keep for DR has been a crapshoot if numbers approach even + siege. Its just crazy how much the siege affects the fight. Even counter siege doesnt do much to help unless the opponents get caught or a lucky shot takes down a crown or clutch healer somehow.

Its just.... i dont even know right now. I cant stand objective fighting right now. Open field is really the only good fight, and theres no tick for that so its crap for AP as well once camps get involved and people lose value from deaths. Had an excellent fight with Khole and some AD guilds outside of Sej today on Haderus, and that one fight alone (30 or so minutes in the ruins west of sej, 20 of us vs about 10 Khole and 20-30 AD fighting us both) was the only time group movement and coordination wasnt trumped by the inability to purge/rapids or heal through a hailstorm of death at a breach.

Depending on toon, what im doing, and where I am fighting im rating the current PvP meta 3-5 (three if its a keep fight, 5 if its open field with camps, but its still down sharply from just a couple weeks ago) The nightblade/DK detsquads are borderline silly right now.

Also on a sidenote, as I was leading the DR group tonight for the first time since patch - that soundless lag crap is truly the most distracting thing I have ever experienced in a video game. That by itself pretty much makes laggy keep fights 10 times worse than before TG.

I'm already bored/frustrated with pvp and it's been a week. Objective play is broken as eff right now, but most of the people championing this patch never had anything to do with objectives in the first place. I don't even enjoy playing solo on my templar any more, #wrobelbalance insisted that my templar wanted to be played as a glass cannon DF/jesus beamer to sit back and play like the sniper bowtards of yesteryears. I'm moving this week and will be upgrading to 1G internet; if the FPS and ping are still absolute garbage and stop me from being able to weapon swap and react the way I'm reacting IRL, I may not even last the few remaining months/weeks until I can start playing CU. At this point, I find the pvp in Skyrim to be more enjoyable than pvp in ESO. #thanksWW2

Durham · March 2016

-Detonation (red circles everywhere)
- Ranged Executes are everywhere now.... I never liked Executes in PVP especially executes at start to scale at 50% ... no execute should start before 25% ever its not an execute at that point....
- Shield PVP stronger shields then ever
- No low populated server , people can no longer get away from the zerging ... OLD trueflame ran mostly smaller groups
- Pink Tree's Pink Rocks, Pink walls
- Gap closers do not work in some situations
- Dragon Leap bugs out now at times
- OLD bugs are back again
- Incredibly high latency and low frame-rate spikes ( This is disaster for small mans and solo and Melee builds)
-The amount of CC seems more then ever now...
- Game feels different now characters feel slower less responsive at times
- Cant see group mates at times
- Ultimate's being unbalanced
- over use of AOE in the game ... unless people ball then they should be hit for 70893209483290482034823

This is what I see ....

I do like seeing the ball groups blowing up now tho ... That is fun to watch

Sallington · March 2016

I canceled my sub the second I realized they somehow brought the no sound bug back.

Cody · March 2016

I have not touched it for almost 2 weeks now. The snare/root issue has killed PvP for me. I can deal with lag, but not being almost stuck in place most of the time. I am having fun in civ beyond earth, destroying any civ that decides to go against my awesome Harmony (ironic, as later on today I plan to play a Purity game:D)

if another MP games come out that i find decent, I will leave ESO. I will not spend what little free time I have being frustrated and almost unable to do anything due to lag and what are in my opinion poor design choices.

Lava_Croft · March 2016

What's most baffling is the consistent decrease of the game's performance without anything to show for it. No improved graphics, not a more stable game, not less lag. All that happens is that what used to run great runs worse and worse the more the people who ZOS thinks are engineers touch the code.

Duiwel · March 2016

I love the fact that you can gain AP faster it's really a good move, removing 2 servers though ( AS should not have been made non CP they should have added a new one ) was not such a good choice, it caused too much migration at once, which apparently caused lag ( just my assumption the lag can be caused by something else ).

The solution to this issue is simple, fix whatever you guys implemented to keep bots out ( it slowed the game tremendously ! )

frozywozy · March 2016

I really enjoy this new patch, especially the new performances and every single counter they brought to ballgroups. I would have gone for the total removal of AOE caps but I guess we're gonna have to deal with this for now.

I would like to give a special shoutout to @ZOS_BrianWheeler , @Wrobel and their team for changing the purge, barrier, maneuver mechanisms, and to have brought tons of fixes to LoS checks and long range abilities/buffs. I can already notice positive performance impacts with multiple players on the screen and I am looking forward to more optimisation regarding aoe fights calculation. When large groups spam their AOEs on top of each other (24 VS 24), we still get major latency issues.

My framerates also got much much better and now allow me to run the game with the 64bits client in high graphics instead of medium with no fps penality (30 during large fights and stable at 60 with vsync on the rest of the time) running in full 4k resolution.

Overall, even though there are some annoying bugs, and some balance fixes that I don't specifically agree with, I'm very happy of the efforts of the development team.

Keep up the good work!

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · March 2016

For some reason all my abilities lag even if there's only like 200 ping could understand if it showed 400+ but lag at 200 is just terrible for some reason.

Perhaps the fix was just to change the numbers

TBois · March 2016

Moral of the story is that ZOS has never and doesn't have any plan in mind for what they would like pvp to be like. there is no goal for pvp. They just fix a few things every now and then. Even asking the devs, "what would you like to see eso pvp become?" Basically got crickets in a guild meeting months ago.

Lava_Croft · March 2016

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

For some reason all my abilities lag even if there's only like 200 ping could understand if it showed 400+ but lag at 200 is just terrible for some reason.

Perhaps the fix was just to change the numbers

Same here. FPS seems fine, ping seems fine, game feels like 10fps - 600ms. Combine this with the constant random frame rate dips that seems to occur for no real reason other than magic and that's my experience on a nearly empty Cyrodiil campaign.

HoloYoitsu · March 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

I really enjoy this new patch, especially the new performances and every single counter they brought to ballgroups. I would have gone for the total removal of AOE caps but I guess we're gonna have to deal with this for now.

I would like to give a special shoutout to @ZOS_BrianWheeler , @Wrobel and their team for changing the purge, barrier, maneuver mechanisms, and to have brought tons of fixes to LoS checks and long range abilities/buffs. I can already notice positive performance impacts with multiple players on the screen and I am looking forward to more optimisation regarding aoe fights calculation. When large groups spam their AOEs on top of each other (24 VS 24), we still get major latency issues.

My framerates also got much much better and now allow me to run the game with the 64bits client in high graphics instead of medium with no fps penality (30 during large fights and stable at 60 with vsync on the rest of the time) running in full 4k resolution.

Overall, even though there are some annoying bugs, and some balance fixes that I don't specifically agree with, I'm very happy of the efforts of the development team.

Keep up the good work!

Dude, can you tell me what game you're playing now? Cuz it certainly isn't ESO. You are about literally the only person who's said this patch has had a positive improvement to to pvp performance wise.

And just 'some annoying bugs'? I'm sorry, but things like Scales getting you killed with bugged resource drain instead of protecting you isn't just an annoyance.

Chingowey · March 2016

@frozywozy You must be playing in Azuras because everything you said is completely inaccurate with regards to Trueflame on PC/NA.

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