@DEVS-What Happened to Crit Rush? Why is it now Broken?

mistermutiny89 · March 2016

Three of my characters use this ability ZoS.

Please keep Thieves Guild away from our current live console versions if this is what we have to look forward to. I mean it's a crashing mess as is but at least most of the commonly used abilities work.

PainfulFAFA · March 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

RoyJade wrote: »

I haven't tested yet, what's the problem exactly ? The pathfinding bug (not able to launch the gap closer), the little cooldown (impossible to use the gapcloser a second time in a short period of time) or the huge lockdown (impossible to do something except move and drink a potion during ten to twenty second) ?
If it's the second point, that's the best change in this entire maj !

Yes, this is information we need. If someone could either detail out exactly what the issue is, or post a video, that would help a lot in identifying what may be potentially broken. Thanks!

I have experienced all three. Although i cant put a video of it, i've experienced situations where my gapcloser doesnt want to launch, or has a delay before launching, or just doesnt even work/locked and only a pot fixes it.

They all happen in different terrains too if that helps. I maybe be fighting in hills or cliffs, or may be on flat ground.

Hiero_Glyph · March 2016

Moglijuana wrote: »

Drishtan wrote: »

Any word?

Soonimax™

This is the year of #NoETA.

Dread_Guy · March 2016

I really do hope this is fixed. At first, I was highly amused about the outcry since this is exactly what templars are dealing with Focus Charge, but now it's just sad. I do wonder how I'll feel if Crit Rush, Invasion, and Ambush/Lotus Fan get fixed, but Focus Charged remains bugged.

Find out in the next episode of Dragonball ZoS!

FENGRUSH · March 2016

Drishtan wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Here as requested! THIS is in PVE!!!!

https://youtu.be/tOxcKcyzkC8

Broken in PVE? Will be fixed next weeks patch!

Brightxdawn · March 2016

Yep heavy attacks with destruction staves also bugged.

Drishtan · March 2016

Whats the Scoop @ZOS_GinaBruno ?

LordTareq · March 2016

The critical charge morph that snares (forgot the name) seems to work fine, at least for me I haven't run into any bugs yet with it.

Drishtan · March 2016

LordTareq wrote: »

The critical charge morph that snares (forgot the name) seems to work fine, at least for me I haven't run into any bugs yet with it.

Stampede, and that before that patch was more broken as it overpowerd bc the snare was added before u hit something.

ZOS_GinaBruno · March 2016

Thanks for the extra details, guys. We'll get this one checked out and will let you know if we need any additional info.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · March 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for the extra details, guys. We'll get this one checked out and will let you know if we need any additional info.

From the Patch Notes

Fixed an issue where charge abilities could still damage enemies at vastly different high elevations.

You might want to look into the elevation check changes you intentionally put into this patch. I understand you don't want people gap closing up sheer walls, but the way that almost all of the terrain in the game is uneven, especially in cyrodiil, the elevation check is way too strict now and prevents the use of any gap closer if you are barely standing on a pebble.

Gap closers were ABSOLUTELY FINE before this change and before the unpurgable snare placed on the target of gap closers. None of this really needed any fixing. If you could just revert gap closers to the way they were before the elevation check and the snare, we would all be happy.

OneWhomWaits · March 2016

Templar gap closers were not fine before the change.

Ours won't go if there is a speck of dirt difference in elevation.

Drishtan · March 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for the extra details, guys. We'll get this one checked out and will let you know if we need any additional info.

TY for the update!

Docmandu · March 2016

OneWhomWaits wrote: »

Templar gap closers were not fine before the change.

Ours won't go if there is a speck of dirt difference in elevation. My husband laughed at me last night watching my Templar flail.

Worst of all.. it does use up your magicka while you don't move an inch... haven't checked if the bugged stamina charges now also have this behaviour.

Drishtan · March 2016

Docmandu wrote: »

OneWhomWaits wrote: »

Templar gap closers were not fine before the change.

Ours won't go if there is a speck of dirt difference in elevation. My husband laughed at me last night watching my Templar flail.

Worst of all.. it does use up your magicka while you don't move an inch... haven't checked if the bugged stamina charges now also have this behaviour.

It does not consume stamina, thank god.....

RinaldoGandolphi · March 2016

Durham wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

I don't think its a bug.....

I finally am no longer mini-negated, unable to weapon swap and perma stunned by gap closer spam anymore....

Gap closers were far too much of a DPS ability and thats not what they were designed for, they were designed to close distance.

Considering Stampede gets a Snare, Crit Rush more damage, and Toppling Charge an guaranteed knockdown and stun, it makes sense for these skills to have a small cooldown window on them. When you compare Gap closers vs Streak, Streak has a stacking 50% cost increase and it only ports like 8 meters compared to gap closers reaching 22m...it was so horribly unbalanced and lopsided before.

Simply put, you will no longer be able to spam gap closers on someone as a main form of DPS and lock them out of their bars. This is a welcome change. Look at Templar's like Blabafat, he uses Toppling Charge + Sweeps to wreck people all the time, even with the delay on Charge its still fully viable. Being able to weave Suprise Attack or other such skills right after a Crit rush with no delay on top of the target being mini-negated, rooted, it was simply unfair.

I was one of the biggest people on here complaining about this nonsense and gave a lot of feedback about this issue along with guys like Sypher and others...99% of the community was sick of this gap closer nonsense...this is the 1 thing ZOS has actually gotten right.....there should be a small delay after landing a gap closer, your still get a huge snare and hindering your targets ability to move...it has to be balanced.

If Templars like Blab and others can make Toppling Charge + Sweeps work as well as they do, the other gap closers with this change can work too, it will just take some time to get used to a small delay which actually makes them balanced.

Umm ...so if I hit my button to gap close and nothing happens it's not broken? Last night 25%-50% of time my gap closer was unreliable... This is broke... sorry...

I said in the post below it that they should fix the pathing problem where you hit the button and it don't work which is what folks are having trouble with right now

Durham · March 2016

bikerangelo wrote: »

Drishtan wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Hey, I am being nice and patient, Please Respond!

You're literally waiting an hour between posts. Try waiting for months without a fix and then say you're being patient.

He is posting between ability lag

Its true

Drishtan · March 2016

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Any Word?

Tomato · March 2016

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Drishtan wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Here as requested! THIS is in PVE!!!!

https://youtu.be/tOxcKcyzkC8

Broken in PVE? Will be fixed next weeks patch!

No way it will be a hotfix tomorrow if it impacts PvE.

Keep on lagging people!

Long live lagzuras

Hail the new king Lagflame

Wreuntzylla · March 2016

Taryf wrote: »

Just watched video... looks strange.
Anyway - i hope that ZOS will fix this quick... and dont put DLC on consoles with those confirmed bugs.

Over a YEAR! That's right, it took over a year to get toppling charge looked at and it still is not completely fixed.

So settle in for the long haul...

UrQuan · March 2016

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Taryf wrote: »

Just watched video... looks strange.
Anyway - i hope that ZOS will fix this quick... and dont put DLC on consoles with those confirmed bugs.

Over a YEAR! That's right, it took over a year to get toppling charge looked at and it still is not completely fixed.

So settle in for the long haul...

It's still not completely fixed? Does that mean that it's actually partially fixed? It's been months since I've used it, and I just assumed it was staying fully broken forever...

xellink · March 2016

Toppling charge should be made a teleport. Animate it like the dragoon's Jump like in final fantasy, considering a spear/lance is used.

Emma_Overload · March 2016

It's not just gap closers, either! Since the patch, procced Crystal Frags refuse to fire sometimes when you're in heavy combat, even when your reticule is right on top of the target.

DisgracefulMind · March 2016

It's definitely something with the elevation check, as @Yolokin_Swagonborn said. I've also noticed my Sorc will get stuck if the terrain is uneven and won't streak, but magicka consumed.

So here we have toppling (PLEASE FIX Q_Q), crit rush, and streak. ):

y zos.

UrQuan · March 2016

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

It's definitely something with the elevation check, as @Yolokin_Swagonborn said. I've also noticed my Sorc will get stuck if the terrain is uneven and won't streak, but magicka consumed.

So here we have toppling (PLEASE FIX Q_Q), crit rush, and streak. ):

y zos.

I don't think it's just the elevation check, because since the patch I've had gap closers bug out on me on perfectly level ground and refuse to fire off. I think it's an elevation and pathing check, where if there's any piece of terrain (including small rocks, backpacks, etc) even very slightly obscuring a straight-line path from you to the target, it fails.

I think at this point they need to just make all gap closers teleports. It seems like it's the only way to avoid running into these issues.

ArgoCye · March 2016

Seriously. ZoS, no more DLCs - fix your mess first pls. This is embarrassing for you, frustrating for us.

Philgo68 · March 2016

Could even be related to the horse/toon stumbling on pebbles and slowing going up a slight hill issue. Your path must be smooth as a babies bottom and flat as a pancake for your gap closer to work or to move quickly...

DHale · March 2016

The crit Rush button is pushed the character stutters.. shakes then nothing. It happens on any kind of incline or decline but can happen on flat ground very much like toppling charge.

OneWhomWaits · March 2016

I'm glad other abilities have this problem now.

Maybe toppling charge will finally be fixed.

Since Zos cannot figure out the pathing/elevation issues just make all gap closers teleports so that it at least works for now.

We would all prefer working skills.

Khaos_Bane · March 2016

Do they test? At all ?