Are Templars actually better now??

Bigevilpeter · March 2016

As a Magika Templar Healer main who still haven't gotten to v16(v10 currently), I have no clue how he is doing endgame, but I was always worried investing so much time on him only to turn out bad.

From what I see at my current state, I think he is better, he got damage buffs to some skills and his passive change to major mending is actually good, I don't have to run around after my party to apply the buffs to them I can get the boost from where I'm standing.

Can the end game guys enlighten me about the current state of the templars, also the stamina ones since I have a v2 stamplar tank so should I invest more in templars, they are the most fun class for me, but I need a good class for end game content PvP and PvE.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · March 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

As a Magika Templar Healer main who still haven't gotten to v16, I have no clue how he is doing endgame, but I was always worried investing so much time on him only to turn out bad.

From what I see at my current state, I think he is better, he got damage buffs to some skills and his passive change to major mending is actually good, I don't have to run around after my party to apply the buffs to them I can get the boost from where I'm standing.

Can the end game guys enlighten me about the current state of the templars, also the stamina ones since I have a v2 stamplar tank so should I invest more in templars, they are the most fun race for me, but I need a good class for end game content PvP and PvE.

Well, I know some templars that did 45-50k dps before the patch, now they do 50-70k on bosses etc.

Abob · March 2016

I am a stamina templar and since I wreck absolutely everyone! It's easy mode now, since they've nerfed DK's, sorcs and nb's.

I don't know why they've buffed templars this much...

Alcast · March 2016

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

As a Magika Templar Healer main who still haven't gotten to v16, I have no clue how he is doing endgame, but I was always worried investing so much time on him only to turn out bad.

From what I see at my current state, I think he is better, he got damage buffs to some skills and his passive change to major mending is actually good, I don't have to run around after my party to apply the buffs to them I can get the boost from where I'm standing.

Can the end game guys enlighten me about the current state of the templars, also the stamina ones since I have a v2 stamplar tank so should I invest more in templars, they are the most fun race for me, but I need a good class for end game content PvP and PvE.

Well, I know some templars that did 45-50k dps before the patch, now they do 50-70k on bosses etc.

Abob wrote: »

I am a stamina templar and since I wreck absolutely everyone! It's easy mode now, since they've nerfed DK's, sorcs and nb's.

I don't know why they've buffed templars this much...

In what kind of world do you guys live?

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · March 2016

Alcast wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

As a Magika Templar Healer main who still haven't gotten to v16, I have no clue how he is doing endgame, but I was always worried investing so much time on him only to turn out bad.

From what I see at my current state, I think he is better, he got damage buffs to some skills and his passive change to major mending is actually good, I don't have to run around after my party to apply the buffs to them I can get the boost from where I'm standing.

Can the end game guys enlighten me about the current state of the templars, also the stamina ones since I have a v2 stamplar tank so should I invest more in templars, they are the most fun race for me, but I need a good class for end game content PvP and PvE.

Well, I know some templars that did 45-50k dps before the patch, now they do 50-70k on bosses etc.

Abob wrote: »

I am a stamina templar and since I wreck absolutely everyone! It's easy mode now, since they've nerfed DK's, sorcs and nb's.

I don't know why they've buffed templars this much...

In what kind of world do you guys live?

The real one.

Abob · March 2016

Alcast wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

As a Magika Templar Healer main who still haven't gotten to v16, I have no clue how he is doing endgame, but I was always worried investing so much time on him only to turn out bad.

From what I see at my current state, I think he is better, he got damage buffs to some skills and his passive change to major mending is actually good, I don't have to run around after my party to apply the buffs to them I can get the boost from where I'm standing.

Can the end game guys enlighten me about the current state of the templars, also the stamina ones since I have a v2 stamplar tank so should I invest more in templars, they are the most fun race for me, but I need a good class for end game content PvP and PvE.

Well, I know some templars that did 45-50k dps before the patch, now they do 50-70k on bosses etc.

Abob wrote: »

I am a stamina templar and since I wreck absolutely everyone! It's easy mode now, since they've nerfed DK's, sorcs and nb's.

I don't know why they've buffed templars this much...

In what kind of world do you guys live?

Sounds like a l2p issue.

Git gud.

Khaos_Bane · March 2016

70k DPS single target ? Come on....Over how long of a fight? People keep exploding these numbers lol.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · March 2016

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

70k DPS single target ? Come on....Over how long of a fight? People keep exploding these numbers lol.

It wasn't that long, because the boss just died so fast. It was the maw boss in vet BC. And it wasn't exactly 70k, more like 67k or so, but still.

hydrocynus · March 2016

Alcast wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

As a Magika Templar Healer main who still haven't gotten to v16, I have no clue how he is doing endgame, but I was always worried investing so much time on him only to turn out bad.

From what I see at my current state, I think he is better, he got damage buffs to some skills and his passive change to major mending is actually good, I don't have to run around after my party to apply the buffs to them I can get the boost from where I'm standing.

Can the end game guys enlighten me about the current state of the templars, also the stamina ones since I have a v2 stamplar tank so should I invest more in templars, they are the most fun race for me, but I need a good class for end game content PvP and PvE.

Well, I know some templars that did 45-50k dps before the patch, now they do 50-70k on bosses etc.

Abob wrote: »

I am a stamina templar and since I wreck absolutely everyone! It's easy mode now, since they've nerfed DK's, sorcs and nb's.

I don't know why they've buffed templars this much...

In what kind of world do you guys live?

Hahahaha. Was feeling really bad about my dps getting up to the 30k mark since the patch. Glad it's not just me.

Refuse2GrowUp · March 2016

I am on console, so I have not yet played the TG updates.

That said, I am actually excited for the healing change. BoL may have been nerfed, but with Major Mending, I think it opens up plenty of new options for healing.

Now just need to collect up the Twilights set, and my Trials healer will rockin.

hydrocynus · March 2016

I did get 68k on a mammoth when I hit it with jesus beam when it was in single digit percentage health but that was obviously 1 extreme hit for a split second.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · March 2016

hydrocynus wrote: »

I did get 68k on a mammoth when I hit it with jesus beam when it was in single digit percentage health but that was obviously 1 extreme hit for a split second.

Well, I guess it's only possible when you got the tank and healer buffing them up, I used combat prayer and the tank warhorn to buff their dps and I used elemental drain etc to keep their sustain up. People can't to reach those numbers alone in a long fight.

SlayerTheDragon · March 2016

Survivability went off the chart - take Channelled Focus and Puncturing Sweeps spam for example.
Be sure to put CP in both Elemental Expert and Thaumaturge for a nice DPS boost.

Steel_Brightblade · March 2016

Well don't tell zos as they will probably try another Nerf but I had an oddity today. My rank 16 templar who I've been stealing gear from as I don't play him any more (hence his low stats) had a gold nerieneth helm on him, e while he had it the damage of the proc was 7700.

Gave this helm to my rank 16 sorcerer and the proc damage is 7300.

Now for stats that may effect this.
Templar: 1800 spell damage, 25K max magic, 75cp in elemental damage, none in thaumatage.
Sorcerer: 2900 spell damage, 39K Max magic, 100 cp in elemental damage, none in thaumatage.

I have no idea why nerieneths effect is stronger on the templar?!.

Steel_Brightblade · March 2016

This was on xbox btw so put tg update.

Nifty2g · March 2016

magicka templar in pve is possibly the strongest right now, or very close to it

lynog85 · March 2016

Abob wrote: »

I am a stamina templar and since I wreck absolutely everyone! It's easy mode now, since they've nerfed DK's, sorcs and nb's.

I don't know why they've buffed templars this much...

How did dks and sorcs get nerfed?

Ampnode · March 2016

lynog85 wrote: »

Abob wrote: »

I am a stamina templar and since I wreck absolutely everyone! It's easy mode now, since they've nerfed DK's, sorcs and nb's.

I don't know why they've buffed templars this much...

How did dks and sorcs get nerfed?

For DKs he means they've been nerfed overtime. Sorcs, however, are still OP strong and have only gone through a few nerfs regarding mobility.

Anyway, I'm glad ZOS actually listened to all the pleas for templars. The spam of undodgeable Radiants, Heals, and Prox Dets sure makes them the balanced class they always deserved to be

Will always still play stamplar. Isn't complete easy mode like magicka is atm.

Bigevilpeter · March 2016

Hmm i glad there are a lot of positive comments from people, most I heard was templars suck and I was getting worried on the time I invested on them, but what about PvP?

Brrrofski · March 2016

Templars never had any incoming nerfs (sweeps is a matter of preference) outside bol.

With CP changes templar simply got stronger.

I don't see how everyone is so upset with the state of templars. I find both my stamina and magica templar really strong and 2 of 3 favourite toons to play.

Anhedonie · March 2016

DPS is better, healing is worse.
Also it's hard to heal templar tanks, comparing to dk or nb tanks.

Zheg · March 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Hmm i glad there are a lot of positive comments from people, most I heard was templars suck and I was getting worried on the time I invested on them, but what about PvP?

In pvp, you can spam DF and jesus beam all day from afar. Try anything else and you'll struggle more than every other class.

Dagoth_Rac · March 2016

Steel_Brightblade wrote: »

Well don't tell zos as they will probably try another Nerf but I had an oddity today. My rank 16 templar who I've been stealing gear from as I don't play him any more (hence his low stats) had a gold nerieneth helm on him, e while he had it the damage of the proc was 7700.

Gave this helm to my rank 16 sorcerer and the proc damage is 7300.

Now for stats that may effect this.
Templar: 1800 spell damage, 25K max magic, 75cp in elemental damage, none in thaumatage.
Sorcerer: 2900 spell damage, 39K Max magic, 100 cp in elemental damage, none in thaumatage.

I have no idea why nerieneths effect is stronger on the templar?!.

What color are the shoulders? If one character has gold shoulders and gold helm and one has purple shoulders and gold helm, the set bonus will be effected.

remilafo · March 2016

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

70k DPS single target ? Come on....Over how long of a fight? People keep exploding these numbers lol.

seriously... you are right.. people quote these ridiculous numbers which are only an exaggeration of a perfectly IDEAL cicumstance like...

Stationary target, while on the tank with every imaginable buff on them and every imaginable debuff on the target.

Get real people, this is where target dummies would expose real numbers...

The very best i ever saw was a stam NB in 5x briar, 5x hundings and 2 agility pulling about 22k without ultimates and without help from anyone... that *** was ridiculous..

SemiD4rkness · March 2016

Thread with the word ''Templar'' in its tile equals ''Nerf Templar'' thread :'(

jbjondeaueb17_ESO · March 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

Templars never had any incoming nerfs (sweeps is a matter of preference) outside bol.

With CP changes templar simply got stronger.

I don't see how everyone is so upset with the state of templars. I find both my stamina and magica templar really strong and 2 of 3 favourite toons to play.

With CP changes every magicka class simply got stronger, not only templar.

BlackEar · March 2016

Magicka got buffed. Stamplar is still subpar in every way.

Minno · March 2016

Steel_Brightblade wrote: »

Well don't tell zos as they will probably try another Nerf but I had an oddity today. My rank 16 templar who I've been stealing gear from as I don't play him any more (hence his low stats) had a gold nerieneth helm on him, e while he had it the damage of the proc was 7700.

Gave this helm to my rank 16 sorcerer and the proc damage is 7300.

Now for stats that may effect this.
Templar: 1800 spell damage, 25K max magic, 75cp in elemental damage, none in thaumatage.
Sorcerer: 2900 spell damage, 39K Max magic, 100 cp in elemental damage, none in thaumatage.

I have no idea why nerieneths effect is stronger on the templar?!.

Bar setup?
Other gear?
Crit raiting?

I know you get these passive/abilities that might explain it:

-Increases the damage bonus for your Critical Strikes by (10)% and your damage against blocking targets by (10)% (spear passive)
- Grants Minor Sorcery to nearby allies, increasing Spell Damage by 5% for 20 seconds. (VB)
- Also grants you Empower, increasing the damage of your next attack by 20%.(DF)

david.haypreub18_ESO · March 2016

You have to specify: are you talking PvE or PvP?

PvE was never the problem. Templars have always found a role in groups as the best healers and were doing ok.

In PvP, Templars are the worst class. You can run with a good group and be a healer; if you do anything other than that, you will be subpar. Breath of Life is now less reliable as a self heal (only 2 targets rather than 3 means less of a chance of healing yourself rather than some random guy nearby), you have to stand in 'your house' to get your full benefits of many skills, our mitigation has been in the toilet since the Battle Spirit nerf to shields (Blazing Shield is terrible now), and on top of that we have no mobility/escape, which means you are a sitting duck. The new update did nothing to address those issues.

So you really have to ask: PvE or PvP? In PvE we are fine; in PvP, we are the absolute worst, right alongside Stamina Sorcerers.

Wreuntzylla · March 2016

I'm glad every Templar I know rolled the class for DPS...

AfkNinja · March 2016

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

I'm glad every Templar I know rolled the class for DPS...

Right? LOL.