FakeAlGore wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Seriously, you really do want to look at the link I posted earlier. I'll do you a favour and post it again.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

For those that can't be bothered to click on it, I'll give you a summary. DX11 ruled for October, November and December and probably for the previous months as well. Want to guess which was in the lead for January and February?


Go on, have a guess....

You're close but not quite there...

Yes that's right, DX8 or lower.... DX9 hardly anyone has got.

That is a very strange anomaly in the data. It seems completely unreasonable to me that 80% of Steam users would have DirectX 11 compatible GPUs in October, but only 16% of them would in February. I'll see if I can reach out to a contact at Valve about this, but I doubt she'll have any more incite than I do.

the entire chart is awkward, just take a look at the "other cards" fluctuation...

Volkodav wrote: »

xellink wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

I have heard of the eventual coming of DX12 as well,in rumors in the forums but nothing official.So,this new inexpensive card I just bought might not support that too.
In other words,every couple of years,I may need to buy another video card,..on and on and on.With no end of money having to be spent.
I guess I'll have to buy another one in a couple of months if mine only supports DX11,and save it for that ugly rainy day to come. XD

What card did you buy?

I bought this one:
MSI ATI Radeon HD6450 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI Low Profile PCI-Express Video Card R6450-MD1GD3/LP

It's all I could get at the immediate moment.I had to borrow for it,but no problem.My pal actually owes me $40.00. Hehehe.

Has 4.5 stars on amazon.com. Looks like you got a good card.

I'm just praying that it works with W10.It says it works with W7,so,..fingers crossed. I got it at Amazon.com,so if it doesnt work,I can return it for one that will,though I may have to pay a bit more.
:}
(on a different note,every time I pull up Chrome,I keep getting tons of redirects.Especially on this site above the others.)

The specs for the card is too low for the game. Even intel haswell graphics can run the game on low smoothly but this card scores slightly below the intel card. You can play the game on low at best if you are lucky. Its not the price of the card that matters but you need to look at benchmarks and know which card has better support for which games.

Software matters because games are released broken and graphics card manufacturers have to write specific driver code to make the game run smoothly. That is the sad state of meeting unrealistic deadlines and player expectations.

Even Intel HD Graphics 4000 which comes with free with some processors will have relatively good performance on ESO. You may have better luck getting a refurbished Radeon HD 8350.

Someone here who runs this card recommended it and a couple of other people have said it will work.Also,it supports DX11.My PC is good to go otherwise.
Also,it's really just a quick fix,until I can get a better one.

I'm using an even older card than that. Radeon HD 5670. The first in the series to support DX11, if I remember correctly. My operating system is also Windows 10. The game runs fine. Busy cities sometimes cause some stutters here and there but otherwise stable 40-50 fps. Texture quality and subsampling are high, water and shadows are low, view distance is medium. All additional effects (like bloom, magelight, grass, etc.) are turned on. It's pretty far from playing on the lowest settings. This is what my game looks like:

Time to upgrade past Windows XP.

It's the dumbest choice a company can make.

Dropping 2 dx versions, and only support 1.

Take an example to your predecessor Blizzard.

They tweak and modify their engine yearly.

And new graphical features are always optional and not a forced turd down people's throats.

Hence the reason why Blizzard's Wow is still the best leading MMO-franchise.
Not because that their current content is great ( for it's garbage in my opinion) but their customer friendly services, is what makes people love it.

I really really really feel ripped off at the moment.

I was completely un-aware of the dx changes in the game.

And I even took an new subscription of 60 days for the new dlc.
For as we all know. DLC's needs to be purchased or is included with subscription.
And is a stand-alone instance separated from the main story vanilla setting.


and now that recently spend money ALL WENT DOWN THE FREAKING GUTTER.

Zennimax & Bethesda managing to steal another 27 euros.

Most hilarious part of it all is that current retail shops still are selling the game on discs with packages that state that the game supports dx9 and 10.

FakeAlGore wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

And now I have to admit, I've been living under a rock. I knew they were doing things like this for the SNES, but not as far back as the Atari. Goodness gracious that's ridiculously old. I might have something to do while I wait for my PC after all since I suck at playing Agario! Thanks for that information! I mean I could play Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim again, but bleh. I'll be installing mods for months and months or making my own before I'd actually sit down and play. Meshing is highly addictive.

I don't want to derail the thread too much, but for an interesting challenge, try a game like Wizardry VII: Crusaders of the Dark Savant or Might & Magic VI: The Mandate of Heaven. Both of these should provide for hours of entertainment to anyone who doesn't balk at the idea of playing Atari games. Both are available on GOG.com should you be so inclined.

Oooooh my god, I've forgotten about Might & Magic. Those games were always fun. I'll have a looksee at Wizardry VII too! But even though the Atari was before my time, I could never gawk at it. Without that, I'd have never have gotten my consoles back before I turned to PC games. Which I found my old SNES too, FFIII and Secret of Mana. God those games were amazing. Nostalgia!

I took up extra shifts at my second job (really my second job is more or less not for just more money, but to get into a career I really want to get into). Apparently the 6450 works, so there's that. My R5 integrated card should work if the 5670's working. I know it's at least DX11. Some places says it has it right at DX11.0 and other places like GameDebate has it at DX11.2. So there's hope that this thing'll work out of the box. Still looking at cards for it though, just in case. But this information is helpful!

So for sure old(ish) cards that are confirmed working on an appropriate rig;

Radeon HD 5670
Radeon HD 6450

Lemme know if there are others I can add on this list that are for sure working!

marten_philip wrote: »

Chakzhu wrote: »

Gtx-750ti- $120-$150. Done.

yeah I don't like to pay that much just in order to play 1 game.

All other games I play are dx9/10.


And mass effect andromeda won't be released for yet another year.

So wasting money on a over-priced vga at this moment is a waste of resources.

Try one of the two I listed. I'm sure they've still got some on Amazon! They're pretty cheap.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

I've actually got a theory about that. Their survey is not actually based on what hardware is installed but what hardware the games require to run it. The lead up to Christmas seen a lot of games being released and as modern games are using DX11 then that would see DX11 top of the list. However, Christmas is a social event, so gamers, like everyone else, would meet up and talk. This talk compares new games with old and the rose tinted glasses are put on. The end result after the Christmas period old games are accessed and played resulting in changes to data collected.

... I would have never thought about it that way. That... Actually makes a lot more sense then what I was thinking. I just wonder how performance will be with my older games that I still have the discs for when I get my new rig. Like Morrowind and running MGE XE. Regardless if I had that running or not, it wouldn't run above 12 FPS where as Skyrim was getting about 20-30 with a ton of texture overhauls. I was like "Seriously?" Kinda wonder if I should just keep this old PC to run my old games (instead of just work) and just use the rig I'm getting for things like the newer games.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

I've actually got a theory about that. Their survey is not actually based on what hardware is installed but what hardware the games require to run it. The lead up to Christmas seen a lot of games being released and as modern games are using DX11 then that would see DX11 top of the list. However, Christmas is a social event, so gamers, like everyone else, would meet up and talk. This talk compares new games with old and the rose tinted glasses are put on. The end result after the Christmas period old games are accessed and played resulting in changes to data collected.

... I would have never thought about it that way. That... Actually makes a lot more sense then what I was thinking. I just wonder how performance will be with my older games that I still have the discs for when I get my new rig. Like Morrowind and running MGE XE. Regardless if I had that running or not, it wouldn't run above 12 FPS where as Skyrim was getting about 20-30 with a ton of texture overhauls. I was like "Seriously?" Kinda wonder if I should just keep this old PC to run my old games (instead of just work) and just use the rig I'm getting for things like the newer games.

I mentioned earlier that I use virtual pc and have ME, XP, Vista and WIn 7 installed on it. Playing the original X Com on it is very interesting. Everything is sped up. When the aliens do their move, blink and it's over. That's the only game I seen it happen on though. If you want to play old games on a new rig, virtual pc is the way forward.

Alright! I'll have a look into that then! Thanks for that info! I had something similar when I was playing Clive Barker's: Undying (one of my favorite oldie horror games). Zipped right into the nothing and died. I thought it was just the card that was doing it, but if running Virtual PC fixes speed/stutter issues like that then I'll use that instead! xD

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

I've actually got a theory about that. Their survey is not actually based on what hardware is installed but what hardware the games require to run it. The lead up to Christmas seen a lot of games being released and as modern games are using DX11 then that would see DX11 top of the list. However, Christmas is a social event, so gamers, like everyone else, would meet up and talk. This talk compares new games with old and the rose tinted glasses are put on. The end result after the Christmas period old games are accessed and played resulting in changes to data collected.

... I would have never thought about it that way. That... Actually makes a lot more sense then what I was thinking. I just wonder how performance will be with my older games that I still have the discs for when I get my new rig. Like Morrowind and running MGE XE. Regardless if I had that running or not, it wouldn't run above 12 FPS where as Skyrim was getting about 20-30 with a ton of texture overhauls. I was like "Seriously?" Kinda wonder if I should just keep this old PC to run my old games (instead of just work) and just use the rig I'm getting for things like the newer games.

I mentioned earlier that I use virtual pc and have ME, XP, Vista and WIn 7 installed on it. Playing the original X Com on it is very interesting. Everything is sped up. When the aliens do their move, blink and it's over. That's the only game I seen it happen on though. If you want to play old games on a new rig, virtual pc is the way forward.

Alright! I'll have a look into that then! Thanks for that info! I had something similar when I was playing Clive Barker's: Undying (one of my favorite oldie horror games). Zipped right into the nothing and died. I thought it was just the card that was doing it, but if running Virtual PC fixes speed/stutter issues like that then I'll use that instead! xD

It's probably because of the CPU, the classic games are usually on the really old 400 MHz processors. so the modern mulit cores can blast through all the calculation needed resulting in a faster game. Admittedly though it doesn't show dew drops on a blade of grass like you might see on DX11 machines though but I always went for depth and game play over looking pretty.

That's about how I do too. I basically got this rig up and running to at least play Skyrim and it did pretty well with it. I was pretty surprised, especially with how old the hardware was. Even ran 7 Days to Die, not well, but it still ran and I was able to do things/survive. WELL... Until my friends like... Ganked me for the lulz. It even played State of Decay okayish. Dunno which of those I preferred.

But this is all good information! I can at least somewhat salvage Morrowind, which is good. I mean I can play with the low FPS, but bleh. I didn't even want to attempt Arena or Daggerfall with it. Oblivion I could run on max. Morrowind, even on low I was getting the same FPS as I was on max settings. Vanilla too.

I just hope that when I get all settled in and back into the game that I can see a difference between being on a DX10 (all the stuff prior to TG) to a DX11 (after TG). Has anything changed much effects wise?

Volkodav wrote: »

Meanma wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

xellink wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

I have heard of the eventual coming of DX12 as well,in rumors in the forums but nothing official.So,this new inexpensive card I just bought might not support that too.
In other words,every couple of years,I may need to buy another video card,..on and on and on.With no end of money having to be spent.
I guess I'll have to buy another one in a couple of months if mine only supports DX11,and save it for that ugly rainy day to come. XD

What card did you buy?

I bought this one:
MSI ATI Radeon HD6450 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI Low Profile PCI-Express Video Card R6450-MD1GD3/LP

It's all I could get at the immediate moment.I had to borrow for it,but no problem.My pal actually owes me $40.00. Hehehe.

Has 4.5 stars on amazon.com. Looks like you got a good card.

I'm just praying that it works with W10.It says it works with W7,so,..fingers crossed. I got it at Amazon.com,so if it doesnt work,I can return it for one that will,though I may have to pay a bit more.
:}
(on a different note,every time I pull up Chrome,I keep getting tons of redirects.Especially on this site above the others.)

The specs for the card is too low for the game. Even intel haswell graphics can run the game on low smoothly but this card scores slightly below the intel card. You can play the game on low at best if you are lucky. Its not the price of the card that matters but you need to look at benchmarks and know which card has better support for which games.

Software matters because games are released broken and graphics card manufacturers have to write specific driver code to make the game run smoothly. That is the sad state of meeting unrealistic deadlines and player expectations.

Even Intel HD Graphics 4000 which comes with free with some processors will have relatively good performance on ESO. You may have better luck getting a refurbished Radeon HD 8350.

Someone here who runs this card recommended it and a couple of other people have said it will work.Also,it supports DX11.My PC is good to go otherwise.
Also,it's really just a quick fix,until I can get a better one.

I'm using an even older card than that. Radeon HD 5670. The first in the series to support DX11, if I remember correctly. My operating system is also Windows 10. The game runs fine. Busy cities sometimes cause some stutters here and there but otherwise stable 40-50 fps. Texture quality and subsampling are high, water and shadows are low, view distance is medium. All additional effects (like bloom, magelight, grass, etc.) are turned on. It's pretty far from playing on the lowest settings. This is what my game looks like:

Nice pic. I didnt need to change my settings in graphics,other than to lighten the gamma.This new card does me well.

How many frames are you getting with it, Volkodav?

Volkodav wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Meanma wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

xellink wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

I have heard of the eventual coming of DX12 as well,in rumors in the forums but nothing official.So,this new inexpensive card I just bought might not support that too.
In other words,every couple of years,I may need to buy another video card,..on and on and on.With no end of money having to be spent.
I guess I'll have to buy another one in a couple of months if mine only supports DX11,and save it for that ugly rainy day to come. XD

What card did you buy?

I bought this one:
MSI ATI Radeon HD6450 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI Low Profile PCI-Express Video Card R6450-MD1GD3/LP

It's all I could get at the immediate moment.I had to borrow for it,but no problem.My pal actually owes me $40.00. Hehehe.

Has 4.5 stars on amazon.com. Looks like you got a good card.

I'm just praying that it works with W10.It says it works with W7,so,..fingers crossed. I got it at Amazon.com,so if it doesnt work,I can return it for one that will,though I may have to pay a bit more.
:}
(on a different note,every time I pull up Chrome,I keep getting tons of redirects.Especially on this site above the others.)

The specs for the card is too low for the game. Even intel haswell graphics can run the game on low smoothly but this card scores slightly below the intel card. You can play the game on low at best if you are lucky. Its not the price of the card that matters but you need to look at benchmarks and know which card has better support for which games.

Software matters because games are released broken and graphics card manufacturers have to write specific driver code to make the game run smoothly. That is the sad state of meeting unrealistic deadlines and player expectations.

Even Intel HD Graphics 4000 which comes with free with some processors will have relatively good performance on ESO. You may have better luck getting a refurbished Radeon HD 8350.

Someone here who runs this card recommended it and a couple of other people have said it will work.Also,it supports DX11.My PC is good to go otherwise.
Also,it's really just a quick fix,until I can get a better one.

I'm using an even older card than that. Radeon HD 5670. The first in the series to support DX11, if I remember correctly. My operating system is also Windows 10. The game runs fine. Busy cities sometimes cause some stutters here and there but otherwise stable 40-50 fps. Texture quality and subsampling are high, water and shadows are low, view distance is medium. All additional effects (like bloom, magelight, grass, etc.) are turned on. It's pretty far from playing on the lowest settings. This is what my game looks like:

Nice pic. I didnt need to change my settings in graphics,other than to lighten the gamma.This new card does me well.

How many frames are you getting with it, Volkodav?

I dont know off hand.I'll send you a message later when I am ingame. I''m going there after I finish eating.I am typing while eating a bun cut in half,toasted with butter and strawberries on one half,Butter and Bananas on the other.Oh,..and of course,hot coffee.
(I just thought I'd tell you.XD)

NICE. xD I'm currently debating Subway or chimichangas for lunch.

Volkodav wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Meanma wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

xellink wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

I have heard of the eventual coming of DX12 as well,in rumors in the forums but nothing official.So,this new inexpensive card I just bought might not support that too.
In other words,every couple of years,I may need to buy another video card,..on and on and on.With no end of money having to be spent.
I guess I'll have to buy another one in a couple of months if mine only supports DX11,and save it for that ugly rainy day to come. XD

What card did you buy?

I bought this one:
MSI ATI Radeon HD6450 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI Low Profile PCI-Express Video Card R6450-MD1GD3/LP

It's all I could get at the immediate moment.I had to borrow for it,but no problem.My pal actually owes me $40.00. Hehehe.

Has 4.5 stars on amazon.com. Looks like you got a good card.

I'm just praying that it works with W10.It says it works with W7,so,..fingers crossed. I got it at Amazon.com,so if it doesnt work,I can return it for one that will,though I may have to pay a bit more.
:}
(on a different note,every time I pull up Chrome,I keep getting tons of redirects.Especially on this site above the others.)

The specs for the card is too low for the game. Even intel haswell graphics can run the game on low smoothly but this card scores slightly below the intel card. You can play the game on low at best if you are lucky. Its not the price of the card that matters but you need to look at benchmarks and know which card has better support for which games.

Software matters because games are released broken and graphics card manufacturers have to write specific driver code to make the game run smoothly. That is the sad state of meeting unrealistic deadlines and player expectations.

Even Intel HD Graphics 4000 which comes with free with some processors will have relatively good performance on ESO. You may have better luck getting a refurbished Radeon HD 8350.

Someone here who runs this card recommended it and a couple of other people have said it will work.Also,it supports DX11.My PC is good to go otherwise.
Also,it's really just a quick fix,until I can get a better one.

I'm using an even older card than that. Radeon HD 5670. The first in the series to support DX11, if I remember correctly. My operating system is also Windows 10. The game runs fine. Busy cities sometimes cause some stutters here and there but otherwise stable 40-50 fps. Texture quality and subsampling are high, water and shadows are low, view distance is medium. All additional effects (like bloom, magelight, grass, etc.) are turned on. It's pretty far from playing on the lowest settings. This is what my game looks like:

Nice pic. I didnt need to change my settings in graphics,other than to lighten the gamma.This new card does me well.

How many frames are you getting with it, Volkodav?

I dont know off hand.I'll send you a message later when I am ingame. I''m going there after I finish eating.I am typing while eating a bun cut in half,toasted with butter and strawberries on one half,Butter and Bananas on the other.Oh,..and of course,hot coffee.
(I just thought I'd tell you.XD)

NICE. xD I'm currently debating Subway or chimichangas for lunch.

Ooooo,..tough choice there.

It is. xD

But I'm very pleased to hear that this card worked right out of the box. That's encouraging news!

darkemma wrote: »

New error.

Your DirectX version is unsupported. Get Help:
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/32155

But my dx is 11.1

I can not understand. ;(

What is your GPU?

Volkodav wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Meanma wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

xellink wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

I have heard of the eventual coming of DX12 as well,in rumors in the forums but nothing official.So,this new inexpensive card I just bought might not support that too.
In other words,every couple of years,I may need to buy another video card,..on and on and on.With no end of money having to be spent.
I guess I'll have to buy another one in a couple of months if mine only supports DX11,and save it for that ugly rainy day to come. XD

What card did you buy?

I bought this one:
MSI ATI Radeon HD6450 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI Low Profile PCI-Express Video Card R6450-MD1GD3/LP

It's all I could get at the immediate moment.I had to borrow for it,but no problem.My pal actually owes me $40.00. Hehehe.

Has 4.5 stars on amazon.com. Looks like you got a good card.

I'm just praying that it works with W10.It says it works with W7,so,..fingers crossed. I got it at Amazon.com,so if it doesnt work,I can return it for one that will,though I may have to pay a bit more.
:}
(on a different note,every time I pull up Chrome,I keep getting tons of redirects.Especially on this site above the others.)

The specs for the card is too low for the game. Even intel haswell graphics can run the game on low smoothly but this card scores slightly below the intel card. You can play the game on low at best if you are lucky. Its not the price of the card that matters but you need to look at benchmarks and know which card has better support for which games.

Software matters because games are released broken and graphics card manufacturers have to write specific driver code to make the game run smoothly. That is the sad state of meeting unrealistic deadlines and player expectations.

Even Intel HD Graphics 4000 which comes with free with some processors will have relatively good performance on ESO. You may have better luck getting a refurbished Radeon HD 8350.

Someone here who runs this card recommended it and a couple of other people have said it will work.Also,it supports DX11.My PC is good to go otherwise.
Also,it's really just a quick fix,until I can get a better one.

I'm using an even older card than that. Radeon HD 5670. The first in the series to support DX11, if I remember correctly. My operating system is also Windows 10. The game runs fine. Busy cities sometimes cause some stutters here and there but otherwise stable 40-50 fps. Texture quality and subsampling are high, water and shadows are low, view distance is medium. All additional effects (like bloom, magelight, grass, etc.) are turned on. It's pretty far from playing on the lowest settings. This is what my game looks like:

Nice pic. I didnt need to change my settings in graphics,other than to lighten the gamma.This new card does me well.

How many frames are you getting with it, Volkodav?

I dont know off hand.I'll send you a message later when I am ingame. I''m going there after I finish eating.I am typing while eating a bun cut in half,toasted with butter and strawberries on one half,Butter and Bananas on the other.Oh,..and of course,hot coffee.
(I just thought I'd tell you.XD)

NICE. xD I'm currently debating Subway or chimichangas for lunch.

Ooooo,..tough choice there.

It is. xD

But I'm very pleased to hear that this card worked right out of the box. That's encouraging news!

Yup.No problems with the card.However,after the new patch,I had a massive problem.The game stuck and I crashed.Then,I had to reload Windows 10,a whole new system.THEN,I now am downloading the game.I started a couple of hours or so ago,and am now at 14%. XD

Make a system image or back your game files up to an external hard drive. No need to download the game again.

I do feel for the people that are indeed experiencing bad issues with the change in DX workings. However I must admit I am glad that I have not gone through any bad issues at all involving DX. My system has been playing smooth the whole time, before and after the update with the exception of playing ESO beta waaaayyyy back in the past before the game officially came out.

I'm just glad I'm apart of the group with no problems. I sure hope ZOS can help the people with problems soon.