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Anyone else have a problem with the DX11 move?
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I haven't heard back yet. I'll be sure to update the thread once I have any information, though like I said before, don't get your hopes up. This isn't exactly her area of expertise, and getting information out of Valve is sometimes... difficult.1 -
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »I actually think this was a nice upgrade they can now start to optimize the game better so high end graphics cards can be used 100% and not just 30% like they are now, also they should switch from the spaghetti code they have to allow better bug fixes.
The could support DX1 and still have a DX11 card running at 100%. They could optimise the game for any version of DX if they want. If ZOS want to have high end machines playing their game then so be it, the problem is though that ZOS now have to deliver to justify having such a machine to play it. They've dropped DX9, now they have no excuses to hide behind. Bet they will still factor in players unable to log on when calculating when they up the CP cap.
DX1? What are you playing on Windows 95? The original Xbox used a version of DX8 so DX8 was used in Windows 98, 2000, and early XP. It was the last DX to support Windows 95. So if most people in the world that play games (the steam stats) still use DX8 they are playing on anywhere from 14 to 21 year old systems. 0_o
That's the really strange part. Maybe there's some kind of retro-gaming trend going on? NwN came in around 2002, Morrowind around the same time... I... I can't even. Even my current rig isn't that old and runs Skyrim decently. Beats the guar out of me.
You don't support something the maker no longer supports. It becomes cost ineffective.
If they designed a game around two different DX that would be costing them development times and then if they wanted to develop for new systems then it would cost then even more development time.
I'm simply saying that there's a few older games on Steam that are neeeeeear that era of hardware, though even with hardware afterword it runs just fine. What I'm saying is the data in that linked statistic makes absolutely no sense in January-February of this year. DX11 from the last few months of last year were the highest and they just dropped off the map when January hit. It's a really odd statistic. @FakeAlGore , did you ever get anything back from Valve about this?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »
Read through the following. It has a great bit on where it seems that you're insinuating the notion that hardly any PC users are anywhere close to a form of the majority for statistical data. Which again, how is this -relevant-? We're derailing too much here with this anyways. We're trying to figure out why this is relevant. Stewart linked it because there's something interesting about Febuary's listing, that there are a lot more DX8 cards being used rather than DX11. They just commented that it was odd, nothing about that the majority of ESO uses Steam and therefore inconclusive in that stance. There's simply not enough information to this to make heads or tails of it.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Can you show me where I said hardly any pc users use steam?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.
To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).
And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years
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I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.
Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.
100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.
I was not insinuating anything. If I didnt say it then I didnt say it. Dont put words in my mouth.
That's not me putting words in your mouth. I'm simply stating that this is what it SOUNDS like. Saying that you said something and saying that something SOUNDS like you said something are two separate contexts. Please don't put words in my mouth. We're simply stumped about how your recent arguments pose any relevance to the thread. It's getting to be a bit off topic at this point, so perhaps we should get back on topic for the thread's sake?
In the future dont go by your opinion of what it sounds like. Just read it word for word. Thats exactly what I meant s thats why I wrote it. At no time did I ever say "hardly any pc gamers use steam". Oh and we have been on topic. You are one trying to derail it by personally attacking me talkin g about what you think I am saying instead of what I actually said.
Steam is very much on topic. I didnt bring it up.
I never once personally attacked you. I simply tried to ask you exactly what you meant so I could understand where you're coming from and what you're actually saying. No offense intended, it's for clarification on where you're coming from so I can better form a conclusion based on the opinion you're giving out to the public. You asked where we thought you said that a great majority didn't use Steam and therefore it was irrelevant. We simply stated that it was interesting data and nothing of the sort that ZOS had use this statistic in their movement in making this decision.FakeAlGore wrote: »I haven't heard back yet. I'll be sure to update the thread once I have any information, though like I said before, don't get your hopes up. This isn't exactly her area of expertise, and getting information out of Valve is sometimes... difficult.
I can imagine. Hopefully you hear something back, it's certainly pretty interesting nonetheless. I might go hunting for other sources for comparison. It's definitely a little confusing, but interesting!Edited by FleetwoodSmack on March 10, 2016 12:57AMTell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!0 -
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✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »I actually think this was a nice upgrade they can now start to optimize the game better so high end graphics cards can be used 100% and not just 30% like they are now, also they should switch from the spaghetti code they have to allow better bug fixes.
The could support DX1 and still have a DX11 card running at 100%. They could optimise the game for any version of DX if they want. If ZOS want to have high end machines playing their game then so be it, the problem is though that ZOS now have to deliver to justify having such a machine to play it. They've dropped DX9, now they have no excuses to hide behind. Bet they will still factor in players unable to log on when calculating when they up the CP cap.
DX1? What are you playing on Windows 95? The original Xbox used a version of DX8 so DX8 was used in Windows 98, 2000, and early XP. It was the last DX to support Windows 95. So if most people in the world that play games (the steam stats) still use DX8 they are playing on anywhere from 14 to 21 year old systems. 0_o
That's the really strange part. Maybe there's some kind of retro-gaming trend going on? NwN came in around 2002, Morrowind around the same time... I... I can't even. Even my current rig isn't that old and runs Skyrim decently. Beats the guar out of me.
You don't support something the maker no longer supports. It becomes cost ineffective.
If they designed a game around two different DX that would be costing them development times and then if they wanted to develop for new systems then it would cost then even more development time.
I'm simply saying that there's a few older games on Steam that are neeeeeear that era of hardware, though even with hardware afterword it runs just fine. What I'm saying is the data in that linked statistic makes absolutely no sense in January-February of this year. DX11 from the last few months of last year were the highest and they just dropped off the map when January hit. It's a really odd statistic. @FakeAlGore , did you ever get anything back from Valve about this?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »
Read through the following. It has a great bit on where it seems that you're insinuating the notion that hardly any PC users are anywhere close to a form of the majority for statistical data. Which again, how is this -relevant-? We're derailing too much here with this anyways. We're trying to figure out why this is relevant. Stewart linked it because there's something interesting about Febuary's listing, that there are a lot more DX8 cards being used rather than DX11. They just commented that it was odd, nothing about that the majority of ESO uses Steam and therefore inconclusive in that stance. There's simply not enough information to this to make heads or tails of it.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Can you show me where I said hardly any pc users use steam?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.
To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).
And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !
I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.
Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.
100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.
I was not insinuating anything. If I didnt say it then I didnt say it. Dont put words in my mouth.
That's not me putting words in your mouth. I'm simply stating that this is what it SOUNDS like. Saying that you said something and saying that something SOUNDS like you said something are two separate contexts. Please don't put words in my mouth. We're simply stumped about how your recent arguments pose any relevance to the thread. It's getting to be a bit off topic at this point, so perhaps we should get back on topic for the thread's sake?
Those older games are revisions to work on newer hardware/software. Such as baldurs gate, kotors, Fallout's, etc
Although I seem to still have good crashes here and there on the old Fallout's.
I actually didn't know that. Huh. That's probably why I have framerate issues when trying to run Morrowind with MGE XE. I still have the discs to that and Oblivion both. That's... Huh. So it's probably not retro-gaming then. I'm stumped on that then. Maybe there was some kind of fluke in the data with the more recent months?
It's still retro gaming so to speak, but fortunately people are out there that keep the old gems available for us to still play. There's even a website out there where you can play all the old Atari games because they're coding them into html51 -
FleetwoodSmack✭✭✭✭✭
✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »I actually think this was a nice upgrade they can now start to optimize the game better so high end graphics cards can be used 100% and not just 30% like they are now, also they should switch from the spaghetti code they have to allow better bug fixes.
The could support DX1 and still have a DX11 card running at 100%. They could optimise the game for any version of DX if they want. If ZOS want to have high end machines playing their game then so be it, the problem is though that ZOS now have to deliver to justify having such a machine to play it. They've dropped DX9, now they have no excuses to hide behind. Bet they will still factor in players unable to log on when calculating when they up the CP cap.
DX1? What are you playing on Windows 95? The original Xbox used a version of DX8 so DX8 was used in Windows 98, 2000, and early XP. It was the last DX to support Windows 95. So if most people in the world that play games (the steam stats) still use DX8 they are playing on anywhere from 14 to 21 year old systems. 0_o
That's the really strange part. Maybe there's some kind of retro-gaming trend going on? NwN came in around 2002, Morrowind around the same time... I... I can't even. Even my current rig isn't that old and runs Skyrim decently. Beats the guar out of me.
You don't support something the maker no longer supports. It becomes cost ineffective.
If they designed a game around two different DX that would be costing them development times and then if they wanted to develop for new systems then it would cost then even more development time.
I'm simply saying that there's a few older games on Steam that are neeeeeear that era of hardware, though even with hardware afterword it runs just fine. What I'm saying is the data in that linked statistic makes absolutely no sense in January-February of this year. DX11 from the last few months of last year were the highest and they just dropped off the map when January hit. It's a really odd statistic. @FakeAlGore , did you ever get anything back from Valve about this?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »
Read through the following. It has a great bit on where it seems that you're insinuating the notion that hardly any PC users are anywhere close to a form of the majority for statistical data. Which again, how is this -relevant-? We're derailing too much here with this anyways. We're trying to figure out why this is relevant. Stewart linked it because there's something interesting about Febuary's listing, that there are a lot more DX8 cards being used rather than DX11. They just commented that it was odd, nothing about that the majority of ESO uses Steam and therefore inconclusive in that stance. There's simply not enough information to this to make heads or tails of it.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Can you show me where I said hardly any pc users use steam?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.
To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).
And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !
I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.
Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.
100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.
I was not insinuating anything. If I didnt say it then I didnt say it. Dont put words in my mouth.
That's not me putting words in your mouth. I'm simply stating that this is what it SOUNDS like. Saying that you said something and saying that something SOUNDS like you said something are two separate contexts. Please don't put words in my mouth. We're simply stumped about how your recent arguments pose any relevance to the thread. It's getting to be a bit off topic at this point, so perhaps we should get back on topic for the thread's sake?
Those older games are revisions to work on newer hardware/software. Such as baldurs gate, kotors, Fallout's, etc
Although I seem to still have good crashes here and there on the old Fallout's.
I actually didn't know that. Huh. That's probably why I have framerate issues when trying to run Morrowind with MGE XE. I still have the discs to that and Oblivion both. That's... Huh. So it's probably not retro-gaming then. I'm stumped on that then. Maybe there was some kind of fluke in the data with the more recent months?
It's still retro gaming so to speak, but fortunately people are out there that keep the old gems available for us to still play. There's even a website out there where you can play all the old Atari games because they're coding them into html5
And now I have to admit, I've been living under a rock. I knew they were doing things like this for the SNES, but not as far back as the Atari. Goodness gracious that's ridiculously old. I might have something to do while I wait for my PC after all since I suck at playing Agario! Thanks for that information! I mean I could play Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim again, but bleh. I'll be installing mods for months and months or making my own before I'd actually sit down and play. Meshing is highly addictive.
I hope though that not too many get upset over this whole jump to DX11 and leave forever though. There's some pretty awesome players out there, even if they were running a potato like I am.Edited by FleetwoodSmack on March 10, 2016 1:05AMTell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!0 -
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✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »I actually think this was a nice upgrade they can now start to optimize the game better so high end graphics cards can be used 100% and not just 30% like they are now, also they should switch from the spaghetti code they have to allow better bug fixes.
The could support DX1 and still have a DX11 card running at 100%. They could optimise the game for any version of DX if they want. If ZOS want to have high end machines playing their game then so be it, the problem is though that ZOS now have to deliver to justify having such a machine to play it. They've dropped DX9, now they have no excuses to hide behind. Bet they will still factor in players unable to log on when calculating when they up the CP cap.
DX1? What are you playing on Windows 95? The original Xbox used a version of DX8 so DX8 was used in Windows 98, 2000, and early XP. It was the last DX to support Windows 95. So if most people in the world that play games (the steam stats) still use DX8 they are playing on anywhere from 14 to 21 year old systems. 0_o
That's the really strange part. Maybe there's some kind of retro-gaming trend going on? NwN came in around 2002, Morrowind around the same time... I... I can't even. Even my current rig isn't that old and runs Skyrim decently. Beats the guar out of me.
You don't support something the maker no longer supports. It becomes cost ineffective.
If they designed a game around two different DX that would be costing them development times and then if they wanted to develop for new systems then it would cost then even more development time.
I'm simply saying that there's a few older games on Steam that are neeeeeear that era of hardware, though even with hardware afterword it runs just fine. What I'm saying is the data in that linked statistic makes absolutely no sense in January-February of this year. DX11 from the last few months of last year were the highest and they just dropped off the map when January hit. It's a really odd statistic. @FakeAlGore , did you ever get anything back from Valve about this?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »
Read through the following. It has a great bit on where it seems that you're insinuating the notion that hardly any PC users are anywhere close to a form of the majority for statistical data. Which again, how is this -relevant-? We're derailing too much here with this anyways. We're trying to figure out why this is relevant. Stewart linked it because there's something interesting about Febuary's listing, that there are a lot more DX8 cards being used rather than DX11. They just commented that it was odd, nothing about that the majority of ESO uses Steam and therefore inconclusive in that stance. There's simply not enough information to this to make heads or tails of it.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Can you show me where I said hardly any pc users use steam?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.
To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).
And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !
I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.
Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.
100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.
I was not insinuating anything. If I didnt say it then I didnt say it. Dont put words in my mouth.
That's not me putting words in your mouth. I'm simply stating that this is what it SOUNDS like. Saying that you said something and saying that something SOUNDS like you said something are two separate contexts. Please don't put words in my mouth. We're simply stumped about how your recent arguments pose any relevance to the thread. It's getting to be a bit off topic at this point, so perhaps we should get back on topic for the thread's sake?
Those older games are revisions to work on newer hardware/software. Such as baldurs gate, kotors, Fallout's, etc
Although I seem to still have good crashes here and there on the old Fallout's.
I actually didn't know that. Huh. That's probably why I have framerate issues when trying to run Morrowind with MGE XE. I still have the discs to that and Oblivion both. That's... Huh. So it's probably not retro-gaming then. I'm stumped on that then. Maybe there was some kind of fluke in the data with the more recent months?
It's still retro gaming so to speak, but fortunately people are out there that keep the old gems available for us to still play. There's even a website out there where you can play all the old Atari games because they're coding them into html5
And now I have to admit, I've been living under a rock. I knew they were doing things like this for the SNES, but not as far back as the Atari. Goodness gracious that's ridiculously old. I might have something to do while I wait for my PC after all since I suck at playing Agario! Thanks for that information! I mean I could play Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim again, but bleh. I'll be installing mods for months and months or making my own before I'd actually sit down and play. Meshing is highly addictive.
I hope though that not too many get upset over this whole jump to DX11 and leave forever though. There's some pretty awesome players out there, even if they were running a potato like I am.
Heh,
I am trying to get back into Skyrim but I find myself spending most my time adding mods now. Waiting for Skywind to finish (Morrowind made in the Skyrim engine).
I built my current PC in 2010 and have kept current only upgrading GPU and adding newer SSDs to it. I am going to upgrade if Intel gets around to releasing Cannonlake next year.
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Nope. You can buy a decent card for less than half of what you've probably paid on this game, so I don't see what the big deal is. An MMO is supposed to be an ever-evolving game... Improvements have to be made, and when that happens sometimes system requirements change as well.
Go upgrade your industrial paper weight, or buy a real computer. Based on another comment a card that can't support DX11 hasn't been made since 2009, so that means whatever you're using is at least 7 years old. You're lucky it was even supported at launch, and you've had plenty of time and money to upgrade since then.
I don't mean to be rude... But that's just the plain and simply truth of it.3 -
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✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »I actually think this was a nice upgrade they can now start to optimize the game better so high end graphics cards can be used 100% and not just 30% like they are now, also they should switch from the spaghetti code they have to allow better bug fixes.
The could support DX1 and still have a DX11 card running at 100%. They could optimise the game for any version of DX if they want. If ZOS want to have high end machines playing their game then so be it, the problem is though that ZOS now have to deliver to justify having such a machine to play it. They've dropped DX9, now they have no excuses to hide behind. Bet they will still factor in players unable to log on when calculating when they up the CP cap.
DX1? What are you playing on Windows 95? The original Xbox used a version of DX8 so DX8 was used in Windows 98, 2000, and early XP. It was the last DX to support Windows 95. So if most people in the world that play games (the steam stats) still use DX8 they are playing on anywhere from 14 to 21 year old systems. 0_o
That's the really strange part. Maybe there's some kind of retro-gaming trend going on? NwN came in around 2002, Morrowind around the same time... I... I can't even. Even my current rig isn't that old and runs Skyrim decently. Beats the guar out of me.
You don't support something the maker no longer supports. It becomes cost ineffective.
If they designed a game around two different DX that would be costing them development times and then if they wanted to develop for new systems then it would cost then even more development time.
I'm simply saying that there's a few older games on Steam that are neeeeeear that era of hardware, though even with hardware afterword it runs just fine. What I'm saying is the data in that linked statistic makes absolutely no sense in January-February of this year. DX11 from the last few months of last year were the highest and they just dropped off the map when January hit. It's a really odd statistic. @FakeAlGore , did you ever get anything back from Valve about this?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »
Read through the following. It has a great bit on where it seems that you're insinuating the notion that hardly any PC users are anywhere close to a form of the majority for statistical data. Which again, how is this -relevant-? We're derailing too much here with this anyways. We're trying to figure out why this is relevant. Stewart linked it because there's something interesting about Febuary's listing, that there are a lot more DX8 cards being used rather than DX11. They just commented that it was odd, nothing about that the majority of ESO uses Steam and therefore inconclusive in that stance. There's simply not enough information to this to make heads or tails of it.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Can you show me where I said hardly any pc users use steam?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.
To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).
And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !
I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.
Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.
100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.
I was not insinuating anything. If I didnt say it then I didnt say it. Dont put words in my mouth.
That's not me putting words in your mouth. I'm simply stating that this is what it SOUNDS like. Saying that you said something and saying that something SOUNDS like you said something are two separate contexts. Please don't put words in my mouth. We're simply stumped about how your recent arguments pose any relevance to the thread. It's getting to be a bit off topic at this point, so perhaps we should get back on topic for the thread's sake?
Those older games are revisions to work on newer hardware/software. Such as baldurs gate, kotors, Fallout's, etc
Although I seem to still have good crashes here and there on the old Fallout's.
I actually didn't know that. Huh. That's probably why I have framerate issues when trying to run Morrowind with MGE XE. I still have the discs to that and Oblivion both. That's... Huh. So it's probably not retro-gaming then. I'm stumped on that then. Maybe there was some kind of fluke in the data with the more recent months?
It's still retro gaming so to speak, but fortunately people are out there that keep the old gems available for us to still play. There's even a website out there where you can play all the old Atari games because they're coding them into html5
And now I have to admit, I've been living under a rock. I knew they were doing things like this for the SNES, but not as far back as the Atari. Goodness gracious that's ridiculously old. I might have something to do while I wait for my PC after all since I suck at playing Agario! Thanks for that information! I mean I could play Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim again, but bleh. I'll be installing mods for months and months or making my own before I'd actually sit down and play. Meshing is highly addictive.
I hope though that not too many get upset over this whole jump to DX11 and leave forever though. There's some pretty awesome players out there, even if they were running a potato like I am.
Heh,
I am trying to get back into Skyrim but I find myself spending most my time adding mods now. Waiting for Skywind to finish (Morrowind made in the Skyrim engine).
I built my current PC in 2010 and have kept current only upgrading GPU and adding newer SSDs to it. I am going to upgrade if Intel gets around to releasing Cannonlake next year.
I kiiiind of hope that Beyond Skyrim gets a little further in development. I've been trying to get some of the gang that's working on it to play with me, but they're absolutely mortified about the MMO aspect of the game. They could get SO much inspiration out of this game, probably even more so with this leap. They're stubborn, but I love them regardless. xD I'm hoping Skywind gets finished too and Ravenloft being made compatible with it. I loved that house mod. Been working on one similar for Skyrim with all the storage, but interior cells are really fickle sometimes.
The current PC I have is an old Dell OptiPlex I nabbed from my office when they were liquidating a lot of old units, so I got it pretty much for free and upgraded it as much as I could. Then I found out that this model has PSU proprietary issues, and this leap made me jump for a cheap gaming rig. 300 bucks, but at least I can swap out hardware when I need to and not worry about that. I doubt the integrated card'll run ESO, but I'll find out. If it does, good, if not I found some cheap cards. I just have to pull more hours at my second job, which I don't mind since I -really- love that one. I threw a list back a while ago, I might as well repost it since it's not buried again about a list of GPUs that are compatible with DX11/12. Hopefully people can use it as a reference like I have. And to those people that use this site, be sure to search for 1gb/2gb because some of these I thiiiiink still come in 512. Don't quote me on that though! But it helps narrow down that search.Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!0 -
KhajiitiLizard✭✭✭✭✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »It doesn't really matter where they got their metric. DX9 is 17 years old this year and it's time to let it die.
Kinda hard to believe though that it's already 17 years old. Where did all this time GO? Like, seriously. 17 years ago I was playing EverQuest until BioWare's NwN came out.
Edit:jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »As far as keeping people informed they have been telling people about this since last year. They even changed the min specs back on october to reflect it.
Right, however we're unsure of what your point -exactly- is. Perhaps laying it out all in one summarized post would help us understand what you're trying to say?
My point was and is that you cant judge people who play ESO by basing it off what steam stats say people run. If you look steam stats says the majority use dx 8 this month and last month. Also another point is contrary to belief most PC gamers do not use steam.
I can also see that dx8 being retro machines picking up old games. I've got a lot of friends running Steam on older machines to run old games LIKE NwN (2002) and have the overlay to chat with friends. So there could be something to do with something similar somewhere in that regard, I could be wrong. But no one was judging who plays ESO on the Steam stats. Rather we were judging about a large majority running DX11 prior to the last few months. I doubt that those running DX11 just dropped off the face of the planet, so there's probably more to that story than what can be displayed through statistical data like that.
DX9 came out in 2002 it is not 17 years old. It's 14. If it was 17 it would have been out in 1999.
In 1999 you would have been using DX6 early in the year or DX7 near the end.Edited by KhajiitiLizard on March 10, 2016 2:15AM1 -
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✭✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »I have heard of the eventual coming of DX12 as well,in rumors in the forums but nothing official.So,this new inexpensive card I just bought might not support that too.
In other words,every couple of years,I may need to buy another video card,..on and on and on.With no end of money having to be spent.
I guess I'll have to buy another one in a couple of months if mine only supports DX11,and save it for that ugly rainy day to come. XD
What card did you buy?
I bought this one:
MSI ATI Radeon HD6450 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI Low Profile PCI-Express Video Card R6450-MD1GD3/LP
It's all I could get at the immediate moment.I had to borrow for it,but no problem.My pal actually owes me $40.00. Hehehe.2 -
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✭KhajiitiLizard wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »It doesn't really matter where they got their metric. DX9 is 17 years old this year and it's time to let it die.
Kinda hard to believe though that it's already 17 years old. Where did all this time GO? Like, seriously. 17 years ago I was playing EverQuest until BioWare's NwN came out.
Edit:jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »As far as keeping people informed they have been telling people about this since last year. They even changed the min specs back on october to reflect it.
Right, however we're unsure of what your point -exactly- is. Perhaps laying it out all in one summarized post would help us understand what you're trying to say?
My point was and is that you cant judge people who play ESO by basing it off what steam stats say people run. If you look steam stats says the majority use dx 8 this month and last month. Also another point is contrary to belief most PC gamers do not use steam.
I can also see that dx8 being retro machines picking up old games. I've got a lot of friends running Steam on older machines to run old games LIKE NwN (2002) and have the overlay to chat with friends. So there could be something to do with something similar somewhere in that regard, I could be wrong. But no one was judging who plays ESO on the Steam stats. Rather we were judging about a large majority running DX11 prior to the last few months. I doubt that those running DX11 just dropped off the face of the planet, so there's probably more to that story than what can be displayed through statistical data like that.
DX9 came out in 2002 it is not 17 years old. It's 14. If it was 17 it would have been out in 1999.
In 1999 you would have been using DX6 early in the year or DX7 near the end.
Ah. Thanks for that clarification! I know I was playing Everquest though when it first came out, back then I was pretty up to date (way more than I am now). Though looking back I thiiiink when they migrated to DX9 I'd had enough of the game. Not because they were moving to it, but it just didn't have that 'feel' like it did. And NwN was pretty fun. I played that until, good golly... Maybe 2010-ish? Since it had a decent toolset to make server campaigns with, it seriously had a longer life than it was expected to have. Heck, it -still- has a playerbase, albeit small, but I don't know if that thing'll die out just yet.
Edit: @Volkodav ; Lemme know how that thing runs ESO would you pretty please! I think I might have that on the list of cards I'm looking at. Please and thank you! Edited by FleetwoodSmack on March 10, 2016 2:27AMTell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!0 -
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✭✭✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »I actually think this was a nice upgrade they can now start to optimize the game better so high end graphics cards can be used 100% and not just 30% like they are now, also they should switch from the spaghetti code they have to allow better bug fixes.
The could support DX1 and still have a DX11 card running at 100%. They could optimise the game for any version of DX if they want. If ZOS want to have high end machines playing their game then so be it, the problem is though that ZOS now have to deliver to justify having such a machine to play it. They've dropped DX9, now they have no excuses to hide behind. Bet they will still factor in players unable to log on when calculating when they up the CP cap.
DX1? What are you playing on Windows 95? The original Xbox used a version of DX8 so DX8 was used in Windows 98, 2000, and early XP. It was the last DX to support Windows 95. So if most people in the world that play games (the steam stats) still use DX8 they are playing on anywhere from 14 to 21 year old systems. 0_o
That's the really strange part. Maybe there's some kind of retro-gaming trend going on? NwN came in around 2002, Morrowind around the same time... I... I can't even. Even my current rig isn't that old and runs Skyrim decently. Beats the guar out of me.
You don't support something the maker no longer supports. It becomes cost ineffective.
If they designed a game around two different DX that would be costing them development times and then if they wanted to develop for new systems then it would cost then even more development time.
I'm simply saying that there's a few older games on Steam that are neeeeeear that era of hardware, though even with hardware afterword it runs just fine. What I'm saying is the data in that linked statistic makes absolutely no sense in January-February of this year. DX11 from the last few months of last year were the highest and they just dropped off the map when January hit. It's a really odd statistic. @FakeAlGore , did you ever get anything back from Valve about this?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »
Read through the following. It has a great bit on where it seems that you're insinuating the notion that hardly any PC users are anywhere close to a form of the majority for statistical data. Which again, how is this -relevant-? We're derailing too much here with this anyways. We're trying to figure out why this is relevant. Stewart linked it because there's something interesting about Febuary's listing, that there are a lot more DX8 cards being used rather than DX11. They just commented that it was odd, nothing about that the majority of ESO uses Steam and therefore inconclusive in that stance. There's simply not enough information to this to make heads or tails of it.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Can you show me where I said hardly any pc users use steam?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.
To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).
And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !
I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.
Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.
100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.
I was not insinuating anything. If I didnt say it then I didnt say it. Dont put words in my mouth.
That's not me putting words in your mouth. I'm simply stating that this is what it SOUNDS like. Saying that you said something and saying that something SOUNDS like you said something are two separate contexts. Please don't put words in my mouth. We're simply stumped about how your recent arguments pose any relevance to the thread. It's getting to be a bit off topic at this point, so perhaps we should get back on topic for the thread's sake?
In the future dont go by your opinion of what it sounds like. Just read it word for word. Thats exactly what I meant s thats why I wrote it. At no time did I ever say "hardly any pc gamers use steam". Oh and we have been on topic. You are one trying to derail it by personally attacking me talkin g about what you think I am saying instead of what I actually said.
Steam is very much on topic. I didnt bring it up.
I never once personally attacked you. I simply tried to ask you exactly what you meant so I could understand where you're coming from and what you're actually saying. No offense intended, it's for clarification on where you're coming from so I can better form a conclusion based on the opinion you're giving out to the public. You asked where we thought you said that a great majority didn't use Steam and therefore it was irrelevant. We simply stated that it was interesting data and nothing of the sort that ZOS had use this statistic in their movement in making this decision.FakeAlGore wrote: »I haven't heard back yet. I'll be sure to update the thread once I have any information, though like I said before, don't get your hopes up. This isn't exactly her area of expertise, and getting information out of Valve is sometimes... difficult.
I can imagine. Hopefully you hear something back, it's certainly pretty interesting nonetheless. I might go hunting for other sources for comparison. It's definitely a little confusing, but interesting!
I also never said steam was irrelevant...0 -
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✭✭✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »I have heard of the eventual coming of DX12 as well,in rumors in the forums but nothing official.So,this new inexpensive card I just bought might not support that too.
In other words,every couple of years,I may need to buy another video card,..on and on and on.With no end of money having to be spent.
I guess I'll have to buy another one in a couple of months if mine only supports DX11,and save it for that ugly rainy day to come. XD
What card did you buy?
I bought this one:
MSI ATI Radeon HD6450 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI Low Profile PCI-Express Video Card R6450-MD1GD3/LP
It's all I could get at the immediate moment.I had to borrow for it,but no problem.My pal actually owes me $40.00. Hehehe.
Has 4.5 stars on amazon.com. Looks like you got a good card.
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »I actually think this was a nice upgrade they can now start to optimize the game better so high end graphics cards can be used 100% and not just 30% like they are now, also they should switch from the spaghetti code they have to allow better bug fixes.
The could support DX1 and still have a DX11 card running at 100%. They could optimise the game for any version of DX if they want. If ZOS want to have high end machines playing their game then so be it, the problem is though that ZOS now have to deliver to justify having such a machine to play it. They've dropped DX9, now they have no excuses to hide behind. Bet they will still factor in players unable to log on when calculating when they up the CP cap.
DX1? What are you playing on Windows 95? The original Xbox used a version of DX8 so DX8 was used in Windows 98, 2000, and early XP. It was the last DX to support Windows 95. So if most people in the world that play games (the steam stats) still use DX8 they are playing on anywhere from 14 to 21 year old systems. 0_o
That's the really strange part. Maybe there's some kind of retro-gaming trend going on? NwN came in around 2002, Morrowind around the same time... I... I can't even. Even my current rig isn't that old and runs Skyrim decently. Beats the guar out of me.
You don't support something the maker no longer supports. It becomes cost ineffective.
If they designed a game around two different DX that would be costing them development times and then if they wanted to develop for new systems then it would cost then even more development time.
I'm simply saying that there's a few older games on Steam that are neeeeeear that era of hardware, though even with hardware afterword it runs just fine. What I'm saying is the data in that linked statistic makes absolutely no sense in January-February of this year. DX11 from the last few months of last year were the highest and they just dropped off the map when January hit. It's a really odd statistic. @FakeAlGore , did you ever get anything back from Valve about this?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »
Read through the following. It has a great bit on where it seems that you're insinuating the notion that hardly any PC users are anywhere close to a form of the majority for statistical data. Which again, how is this -relevant-? We're derailing too much here with this anyways. We're trying to figure out why this is relevant. Stewart linked it because there's something interesting about Febuary's listing, that there are a lot more DX8 cards being used rather than DX11. They just commented that it was odd, nothing about that the majority of ESO uses Steam and therefore inconclusive in that stance. There's simply not enough information to this to make heads or tails of it.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Can you show me where I said hardly any pc users use steam?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.
To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).
And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !
I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.
Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.
100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.
I was not insinuating anything. If I didnt say it then I didnt say it. Dont put words in my mouth.
That's not me putting words in your mouth. I'm simply stating that this is what it SOUNDS like. Saying that you said something and saying that something SOUNDS like you said something are two separate contexts. Please don't put words in my mouth. We're simply stumped about how your recent arguments pose any relevance to the thread. It's getting to be a bit off topic at this point, so perhaps we should get back on topic for the thread's sake?
In the future dont go by your opinion of what it sounds like. Just read it word for word. Thats exactly what I meant s thats why I wrote it. At no time did I ever say "hardly any pc gamers use steam". Oh and we have been on topic. You are one trying to derail it by personally attacking me talkin g about what you think I am saying instead of what I actually said.
Steam is very much on topic. I didnt bring it up.
I never once personally attacked you. I simply tried to ask you exactly what you meant so I could understand where you're coming from and what you're actually saying. No offense intended, it's for clarification on where you're coming from so I can better form a conclusion based on the opinion you're giving out to the public. You asked where we thought you said that a great majority didn't use Steam and therefore it was irrelevant. We simply stated that it was interesting data and nothing of the sort that ZOS had use this statistic in their movement in making this decision.FakeAlGore wrote: »I haven't heard back yet. I'll be sure to update the thread once I have any information, though like I said before, don't get your hopes up. This isn't exactly her area of expertise, and getting information out of Valve is sometimes... difficult.
I can imagine. Hopefully you hear something back, it's certainly pretty interesting nonetheless. I might go hunting for other sources for comparison. It's definitely a little confusing, but interesting!
I also never said steam was irrelevant...
It's okay. Regardless, we agree that this change needed to happen. At least we have that, no? And I'm seriously sorry if you felt I was attacking you. Sometimes it's just hard to process how these quote trees work to keep it fluid and consistent, you know?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »I have heard of the eventual coming of DX12 as well,in rumors in the forums but nothing official.So,this new inexpensive card I just bought might not support that too.
In other words,every couple of years,I may need to buy another video card,..on and on and on.With no end of money having to be spent.
I guess I'll have to buy another one in a couple of months if mine only supports DX11,and save it for that ugly rainy day to come. XD
What card did you buy?
I bought this one:
MSI ATI Radeon HD6450 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI Low Profile PCI-Express Video Card R6450-MD1GD3/LP
It's all I could get at the immediate moment.I had to borrow for it,but no problem.My pal actually owes me $40.00. Hehehe.
Has 4.5 stars on amazon.com. Looks like you got a good card.
And I hope it is. That's one that I was looking at. It's faster than that old HD 5450 I was mentioning (which possibly MIGHT still work, I can't remember why I took it out other than strange artifacts appearing with it) and it was riiiiiiiiight at that last part of the list I linked of all of those DX11 compatible cards. Both oddly were around the same price from the same retailer too.Edited by FleetwoodSmack on March 10, 2016 2:38AMTell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!0 -
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✭✭✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »I actually think this was a nice upgrade they can now start to optimize the game better so high end graphics cards can be used 100% and not just 30% like they are now, also they should switch from the spaghetti code they have to allow better bug fixes.
The could support DX1 and still have a DX11 card running at 100%. They could optimise the game for any version of DX if they want. If ZOS want to have high end machines playing their game then so be it, the problem is though that ZOS now have to deliver to justify having such a machine to play it. They've dropped DX9, now they have no excuses to hide behind. Bet they will still factor in players unable to log on when calculating when they up the CP cap.
DX1? What are you playing on Windows 95? The original Xbox used a version of DX8 so DX8 was used in Windows 98, 2000, and early XP. It was the last DX to support Windows 95. So if most people in the world that play games (the steam stats) still use DX8 they are playing on anywhere from 14 to 21 year old systems. 0_o
That's the really strange part. Maybe there's some kind of retro-gaming trend going on? NwN came in around 2002, Morrowind around the same time... I... I can't even. Even my current rig isn't that old and runs Skyrim decently. Beats the guar out of me.
You don't support something the maker no longer supports. It becomes cost ineffective.
If they designed a game around two different DX that would be costing them development times and then if they wanted to develop for new systems then it would cost then even more development time.
I'm simply saying that there's a few older games on Steam that are neeeeeear that era of hardware, though even with hardware afterword it runs just fine. What I'm saying is the data in that linked statistic makes absolutely no sense in January-February of this year. DX11 from the last few months of last year were the highest and they just dropped off the map when January hit. It's a really odd statistic. @FakeAlGore , did you ever get anything back from Valve about this?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »
Read through the following. It has a great bit on where it seems that you're insinuating the notion that hardly any PC users are anywhere close to a form of the majority for statistical data. Which again, how is this -relevant-? We're derailing too much here with this anyways. We're trying to figure out why this is relevant. Stewart linked it because there's something interesting about Febuary's listing, that there are a lot more DX8 cards being used rather than DX11. They just commented that it was odd, nothing about that the majority of ESO uses Steam and therefore inconclusive in that stance. There's simply not enough information to this to make heads or tails of it.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Can you show me where I said hardly any pc users use steam?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.
To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).
And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !
I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.
Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.
100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.
I was not insinuating anything. If I didnt say it then I didnt say it. Dont put words in my mouth.
That's not me putting words in your mouth. I'm simply stating that this is what it SOUNDS like. Saying that you said something and saying that something SOUNDS like you said something are two separate contexts. Please don't put words in my mouth. We're simply stumped about how your recent arguments pose any relevance to the thread. It's getting to be a bit off topic at this point, so perhaps we should get back on topic for the thread's sake?
In the future dont go by your opinion of what it sounds like. Just read it word for word. Thats exactly what I meant s thats why I wrote it. At no time did I ever say "hardly any pc gamers use steam". Oh and we have been on topic. You are one trying to derail it by personally attacking me talkin g about what you think I am saying instead of what I actually said.
Steam is very much on topic. I didnt bring it up.
I never once personally attacked you. I simply tried to ask you exactly what you meant so I could understand where you're coming from and what you're actually saying. No offense intended, it's for clarification on where you're coming from so I can better form a conclusion based on the opinion you're giving out to the public. You asked where we thought you said that a great majority didn't use Steam and therefore it was irrelevant. We simply stated that it was interesting data and nothing of the sort that ZOS had use this statistic in their movement in making this decision.FakeAlGore wrote: »I haven't heard back yet. I'll be sure to update the thread once I have any information, though like I said before, don't get your hopes up. This isn't exactly her area of expertise, and getting information out of Valve is sometimes... difficult.
I can imagine. Hopefully you hear something back, it's certainly pretty interesting nonetheless. I might go hunting for other sources for comparison. It's definitely a little confusing, but interesting!
I also never said steam was irrelevant...
It's okay. Regardless, we agree that this change needed to happen. At least we have that, no? And I'm seriously sorry if you felt I was attacking you. Sometimes it's just hard to process how these quote trees work to keep it fluid and consistent, you know?
My only problem with you is taking what I say and twisting it. The change did need to happen yes. What the guy who I was originally talking to suggested what that it DIDNT need to happen. That steam shows most people with gaming computers have dx 10 or below and that because of steam stats alone the game would be losing 1000s of customers. All I was saying is that noone should be basing decisions for their game from one source only. Which in this case would be steam.1 -
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »I actually think this was a nice upgrade they can now start to optimize the game better so high end graphics cards can be used 100% and not just 30% like they are now, also they should switch from the spaghetti code they have to allow better bug fixes.
The could support DX1 and still have a DX11 card running at 100%. They could optimise the game for any version of DX if they want. If ZOS want to have high end machines playing their game then so be it, the problem is though that ZOS now have to deliver to justify having such a machine to play it. They've dropped DX9, now they have no excuses to hide behind. Bet they will still factor in players unable to log on when calculating when they up the CP cap.
DX1? What are you playing on Windows 95? The original Xbox used a version of DX8 so DX8 was used in Windows 98, 2000, and early XP. It was the last DX to support Windows 95. So if most people in the world that play games (the steam stats) still use DX8 they are playing on anywhere from 14 to 21 year old systems. 0_o
That's the really strange part. Maybe there's some kind of retro-gaming trend going on? NwN came in around 2002, Morrowind around the same time... I... I can't even. Even my current rig isn't that old and runs Skyrim decently. Beats the guar out of me.
You don't support something the maker no longer supports. It becomes cost ineffective.
If they designed a game around two different DX that would be costing them development times and then if they wanted to develop for new systems then it would cost then even more development time.
I'm simply saying that there's a few older games on Steam that are neeeeeear that era of hardware, though even with hardware afterword it runs just fine. What I'm saying is the data in that linked statistic makes absolutely no sense in January-February of this year. DX11 from the last few months of last year were the highest and they just dropped off the map when January hit. It's a really odd statistic. @FakeAlGore , did you ever get anything back from Valve about this?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »
Read through the following. It has a great bit on where it seems that you're insinuating the notion that hardly any PC users are anywhere close to a form of the majority for statistical data. Which again, how is this -relevant-? We're derailing too much here with this anyways. We're trying to figure out why this is relevant. Stewart linked it because there's something interesting about Febuary's listing, that there are a lot more DX8 cards being used rather than DX11. They just commented that it was odd, nothing about that the majority of ESO uses Steam and therefore inconclusive in that stance. There's simply not enough information to this to make heads or tails of it.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Can you show me where I said hardly any pc users use steam?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.
To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).
And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !
I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.
Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.
100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.
I was not insinuating anything. If I didnt say it then I didnt say it. Dont put words in my mouth.
That's not me putting words in your mouth. I'm simply stating that this is what it SOUNDS like. Saying that you said something and saying that something SOUNDS like you said something are two separate contexts. Please don't put words in my mouth. We're simply stumped about how your recent arguments pose any relevance to the thread. It's getting to be a bit off topic at this point, so perhaps we should get back on topic for the thread's sake?
In the future dont go by your opinion of what it sounds like. Just read it word for word. Thats exactly what I meant s thats why I wrote it. At no time did I ever say "hardly any pc gamers use steam". Oh and we have been on topic. You are one trying to derail it by personally attacking me talkin g about what you think I am saying instead of what I actually said.
Steam is very much on topic. I didnt bring it up.
I never once personally attacked you. I simply tried to ask you exactly what you meant so I could understand where you're coming from and what you're actually saying. No offense intended, it's for clarification on where you're coming from so I can better form a conclusion based on the opinion you're giving out to the public. You asked where we thought you said that a great majority didn't use Steam and therefore it was irrelevant. We simply stated that it was interesting data and nothing of the sort that ZOS had use this statistic in their movement in making this decision.FakeAlGore wrote: »I haven't heard back yet. I'll be sure to update the thread once I have any information, though like I said before, don't get your hopes up. This isn't exactly her area of expertise, and getting information out of Valve is sometimes... difficult.
I can imagine. Hopefully you hear something back, it's certainly pretty interesting nonetheless. I might go hunting for other sources for comparison. It's definitely a little confusing, but interesting!
I also never said steam was irrelevant...
It's okay. Regardless, we agree that this change needed to happen. At least we have that, no? And I'm seriously sorry if you felt I was attacking you. Sometimes it's just hard to process how these quote trees work to keep it fluid and consistent, you know?
My only problem with you is taking what I say and twisting it. The change did need to happen yes. What the guy who I was originally talking to suggested what that it DIDNT need to happen. That steam shows most people with gaming computers have dx 10 or below and that because of steam stats alone the game would be losing 1000s of customers. All I was saying is that noone should be basing decisions for their game from one source only. Which in this case would be steam.
Thank you for clarifying. I didn't mean to twist words, I'm again sorry that you feel if I did. I'm simply trying to get more information so my brain doesn't draw that conclusion. Basically, I was more or less hoping for "No, I meant this" so I could say "Okay, I see where you're coming from now." That was my problem and I was genuinely trying to see where you were coming from and what exactly you were saying so that these conclusions weren't being drawn. If it sounded that way, again, I do humbly apologize. There was miscommunication on both our parts I feel, and I think we understand each other's positions much more clearly now, so again, thank you.
And that statement I can agree with, ZOS really should have their own special way of gathering data on all our specs, and they probably already do with crash reports, bug reports, and what not. But maybe something more in depth if they haven't already. I just hope that this jump didn't cause most of the issues people are experiencing now. =/ That'd totally suck too.Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!0 -
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✭✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »I actually think this was a nice upgrade they can now start to optimize the game better so high end graphics cards can be used 100% and not just 30% like they are now, also they should switch from the spaghetti code they have to allow better bug fixes.
The could support DX1 and still have a DX11 card running at 100%. They could optimise the game for any version of DX if they want. If ZOS want to have high end machines playing their game then so be it, the problem is though that ZOS now have to deliver to justify having such a machine to play it. They've dropped DX9, now they have no excuses to hide behind. Bet they will still factor in players unable to log on when calculating when they up the CP cap.
DX1? What are you playing on Windows 95? The original Xbox used a version of DX8 so DX8 was used in Windows 98, 2000, and early XP. It was the last DX to support Windows 95. So if most people in the world that play games (the steam stats) still use DX8 they are playing on anywhere from 14 to 21 year old systems. 0_o
That's the really strange part. Maybe there's some kind of retro-gaming trend going on? NwN came in around 2002, Morrowind around the same time... I... I can't even. Even my current rig isn't that old and runs Skyrim decently. Beats the guar out of me.
You don't support something the maker no longer supports. It becomes cost ineffective.
If they designed a game around two different DX that would be costing them development times and then if they wanted to develop for new systems then it would cost then even more development time.
I'm simply saying that there's a few older games on Steam that are neeeeeear that era of hardware, though even with hardware afterword it runs just fine. What I'm saying is the data in that linked statistic makes absolutely no sense in January-February of this year. DX11 from the last few months of last year were the highest and they just dropped off the map when January hit. It's a really odd statistic. @FakeAlGore , did you ever get anything back from Valve about this?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »
Read through the following. It has a great bit on where it seems that you're insinuating the notion that hardly any PC users are anywhere close to a form of the majority for statistical data. Which again, how is this -relevant-? We're derailing too much here with this anyways. We're trying to figure out why this is relevant. Stewart linked it because there's something interesting about Febuary's listing, that there are a lot more DX8 cards being used rather than DX11. They just commented that it was odd, nothing about that the majority of ESO uses Steam and therefore inconclusive in that stance. There's simply not enough information to this to make heads or tails of it.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Can you show me where I said hardly any pc users use steam?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.
To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).
And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !
I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.
Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.
100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.
I was not insinuating anything. If I didnt say it then I didnt say it. Dont put words in my mouth.
That's not me putting words in your mouth. I'm simply stating that this is what it SOUNDS like. Saying that you said something and saying that something SOUNDS like you said something are two separate contexts. Please don't put words in my mouth. We're simply stumped about how your recent arguments pose any relevance to the thread. It's getting to be a bit off topic at this point, so perhaps we should get back on topic for the thread's sake?
Those older games are revisions to work on newer hardware/software. Such as baldurs gate, kotors, Fallout's, etc
Although I seem to still have good crashes here and there on the old Fallout's.
I actually didn't know that. Huh. That's probably why I have framerate issues when trying to run Morrowind with MGE XE. I still have the discs to that and Oblivion both. That's... Huh. So it's probably not retro-gaming then. I'm stumped on that then. Maybe there was some kind of fluke in the data with the more recent months?
It's still retro gaming so to speak, but fortunately people are out there that keep the old gems available for us to still play. There's even a website out there where you can play all the old Atari games because they're coding them into html5
And now I have to admit, I've been living under a rock. I knew they were doing things like this for the SNES, but not as far back as the Atari. Goodness gracious that's ridiculously old. I might have something to do while I wait for my PC after all since I suck at playing Agario! Thanks for that information! I mean I could play Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim again, but bleh. I'll be installing mods for months and months or making my own before I'd actually sit down and play. Meshing is highly addictive.
I hope though that not too many get upset over this whole jump to DX11 and leave forever though. There's some pretty awesome players out there, even if they were running a potato like I am.
Heh,
I am trying to get back into Skyrim but I find myself spending most my time adding mods now. Waiting for Skywind to finish (Morrowind made in the Skyrim engine).
I built my current PC in 2010 and have kept current only upgrading GPU and adding newer SSDs to it. I am going to upgrade if Intel gets around to releasing Cannonlake next year.
This is what I am waiting for as well.Skywind.They're just over half done with it at this time.I made a thread about it,but it was removed.0 -
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✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »I have heard of the eventual coming of DX12 as well,in rumors in the forums but nothing official.So,this new inexpensive card I just bought might not support that too.
In other words,every couple of years,I may need to buy another video card,..on and on and on.With no end of money having to be spent.
I guess I'll have to buy another one in a couple of months if mine only supports DX11,and save it for that ugly rainy day to come. XD
What card did you buy?
I bought this one:
MSI ATI Radeon HD6450 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI Low Profile PCI-Express Video Card R6450-MD1GD3/LP
It's all I could get at the immediate moment.I had to borrow for it,but no problem.My pal actually owes me $40.00. Hehehe.
Has 4.5 stars on amazon.com. Looks like you got a good card.
I'm just praying that it works with W10.It says it works with W7,so,..fingers crossed. I got it at Amazon.com,so if it doesnt work,I can return it for one that will,though I may have to pay a bit more.
:}
(on a different note,every time I pull up Chrome,I keep getting tons of redirects.Especially on this site above the others.)0 -
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »I have heard of the eventual coming of DX12 as well,in rumors in the forums but nothing official.So,this new inexpensive card I just bought might not support that too.
In other words,every couple of years,I may need to buy another video card,..on and on and on.With no end of money having to be spent.
I guess I'll have to buy another one in a couple of months if mine only supports DX11,and save it for that ugly rainy day to come. XD
What card did you buy?
I bought this one:
MSI ATI Radeon HD6450 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI Low Profile PCI-Express Video Card R6450-MD1GD3/LP
It's all I could get at the immediate moment.I had to borrow for it,but no problem.My pal actually owes me $40.00. Hehehe.
Has 4.5 stars on amazon.com. Looks like you got a good card.
I'm just praying that it works with W10.It says it works with W7,so,..fingers crossed. I got it at Amazon.com,so if it doesnt work,I can return it for one that will,though I may have to pay a bit more.
:}
(on a different note,every time I pull up Chrome,I keep getting tons of redirects.Especially on this site above the others.)
Ooooh, you're running on Windows 10? I found this about the card, it may be handy to bookmark this for future reference, but it seems like this person got it working with Windows 10. Let us know how it runs ESO when you get it all settled in!
Edit: I had a derp moment and forgot to hyperlink. Whoops! My bad! Sorry. xDEdited by FleetwoodSmack on March 10, 2016 3:02AMTell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!0 -
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✭✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »I have heard of the eventual coming of DX12 as well,in rumors in the forums but nothing official.So,this new inexpensive card I just bought might not support that too.
In other words,every couple of years,I may need to buy another video card,..on and on and on.With no end of money having to be spent.
I guess I'll have to buy another one in a couple of months if mine only supports DX11,and save it for that ugly rainy day to come. XD
What card did you buy?
I bought this one:
MSI ATI Radeon HD6450 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI Low Profile PCI-Express Video Card R6450-MD1GD3/LP
It's all I could get at the immediate moment.I had to borrow for it,but no problem.My pal actually owes me $40.00. Hehehe.
Has 4.5 stars on amazon.com. Looks like you got a good card.
I'm just praying that it works with W10.It says it works with W7,so,..fingers crossed. I got it at Amazon.com,so if it doesnt work,I can return it for one that will,though I may have to pay a bit more.
:}
(on a different note,every time I pull up Chrome,I keep getting tons of redirects.Especially on this site above the others.)
Ooooh, you're running on Windows 10? I found this about the card, it may be handy to bookmark this for future reference, but it seems like this person got it working with Windows 10. Let us know how it runs ESO when you get it all settled in!
Edit: I had a derp moment and forgot to hyperlink. Whoops! My bad! Sorry. xD
Jeez,..I dont know even half of what the person was talking about.I am praying this will work.I bookmarked the site in case I have to do as he did with the driver situation.
Thank you oodles for the help.Highly appreciated. :}0 -
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✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »I have heard of the eventual coming of DX12 as well,in rumors in the forums but nothing official.So,this new inexpensive card I just bought might not support that too.
In other words,every couple of years,I may need to buy another video card,..on and on and on.With no end of money having to be spent.
I guess I'll have to buy another one in a couple of months if mine only supports DX11,and save it for that ugly rainy day to come. XD
What card did you buy?
I bought this one:
MSI ATI Radeon HD6450 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI Low Profile PCI-Express Video Card R6450-MD1GD3/LP
It's all I could get at the immediate moment.I had to borrow for it,but no problem.My pal actually owes me $40.00. Hehehe.
Has 4.5 stars on amazon.com. Looks like you got a good card.
I'm just praying that it works with W10.It says it works with W7,so,..fingers crossed. I got it at Amazon.com,so if it doesnt work,I can return it for one that will,though I may have to pay a bit more.
:}
(on a different note,every time I pull up Chrome,I keep getting tons of redirects.Especially on this site above the others.)
Ooooh, you're running on Windows 10? I found this about the card, it may be handy to bookmark this for future reference, but it seems like this person got it working with Windows 10. Let us know how it runs ESO when you get it all settled in!
Edit: I had a derp moment and forgot to hyperlink. Whoops! My bad! Sorry. xD
Jeez,..I dont know even half of what the person was talking about.I am praying this will work.I bookmarked the site in case I have to do as he did with the driver situation.
Thank you oodles for the help.Highly appreciated. :}
Anytime! I hope you don't have any of these issues, but if you do have issues I -think- I understand his issues well enough to try and help with it if you have trouble!Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!0 -
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✭✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »I have heard of the eventual coming of DX12 as well,in rumors in the forums but nothing official.So,this new inexpensive card I just bought might not support that too.
In other words,every couple of years,I may need to buy another video card,..on and on and on.With no end of money having to be spent.
I guess I'll have to buy another one in a couple of months if mine only supports DX11,and save it for that ugly rainy day to come. XD
What card did you buy?
I bought this one:
MSI ATI Radeon HD6450 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI Low Profile PCI-Express Video Card R6450-MD1GD3/LP
It's all I could get at the immediate moment.I had to borrow for it,but no problem.My pal actually owes me $40.00. Hehehe.
Has 4.5 stars on amazon.com. Looks like you got a good card.
I'm just praying that it works with W10.It says it works with W7,so,..fingers crossed. I got it at Amazon.com,so if it doesnt work,I can return it for one that will,though I may have to pay a bit more.
:}
(on a different note,every time I pull up Chrome,I keep getting tons of redirects.Especially on this site above the others.)
Ooooh, you're running on Windows 10? I found this about the card, it may be handy to bookmark this for future reference, but it seems like this person got it working with Windows 10. Let us know how it runs ESO when you get it all settled in!
Edit: I had a derp moment and forgot to hyperlink. Whoops! My bad! Sorry. xD
Jeez,..I dont know even half of what the person was talking about.I am praying this will work.I bookmarked the site in case I have to do as he did with the driver situation.
Thank you oodles for the help.Highly appreciated. :}
Anytime! I hope you don't have any of these issues, but if you do have issues I -think- I understand his issues well enough to try and help with it if you have trouble!
Ok.I'll remember that.Just in case.Thing is,how will you be able to help me if my PC isnt working.lol.
I have a small idea,but Ill send it in messaging. :}0 -
Phranq✭✭✭Seriously, OP ?
I'm really surprised that this hasn't happened sooner. . You say you invested so much money in ESO, but you can't afford a video card?
Here is a dx 11 video card for $33. http://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=N82E16814129320
And if your computer can't handle that, then here is a new mb, with cpu and integrated dx11 video for $39 .. http://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=N82E16813157594
I started gaming on pc around 1990, back then we had to upgrade bits of our computers every 6 months or so, or you couldn't run the newest games. . I played Everquest when it came out, and upgraded several times to keep up with expansions.. so, really. . Upgrade your system already..
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✭Crown also posted this thread here; http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/252199/possible-solution-for-crashing-on-launch-try-this-and-give-info-to-gina-the-devs
But fair warning, this solution can be very laggy. However if you can get through the login wait (try clicking to prevent timing out) and make it through the character selection screen, you can at least tell guilds you're in that you'll be away for a while until you sort your PC out, or what ever you need to do.Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!1 -
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✭✭✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »I have heard of the eventual coming of DX12 as well,in rumors in the forums but nothing official.So,this new inexpensive card I just bought might not support that too.
In other words,every couple of years,I may need to buy another video card,..on and on and on.With no end of money having to be spent.
I guess I'll have to buy another one in a couple of months if mine only supports DX11,and save it for that ugly rainy day to come. XD
What card did you buy?
I bought this one:
MSI ATI Radeon HD6450 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI Low Profile PCI-Express Video Card R6450-MD1GD3/LP
It's all I could get at the immediate moment.I had to borrow for it,but no problem.My pal actually owes me $40.00. Hehehe.
Has 4.5 stars on amazon.com. Looks like you got a good card.
I'm just praying that it works with W10.It says it works with W7,so,..fingers crossed. I got it at Amazon.com,so if it doesnt work,I can return it for one that will,though I may have to pay a bit more.
:}
(on a different note,every time I pull up Chrome,I keep getting tons of redirects.Especially on this site above the others.)
Ooooh, you're running on Windows 10? I found this about the card, it may be handy to bookmark this for future reference, but it seems like this person got it working with Windows 10. Let us know how it runs ESO when you get it all settled in!
Edit: I had a derp moment and forgot to hyperlink. Whoops! My bad! Sorry. xD
Jeez,..I dont know even half of what the person was talking about.I am praying this will work.I bookmarked the site in case I have to do as he did with the driver situation.
Thank you oodles for the help.Highly appreciated. :}
To be fair most of that guy's issues in the review were because of his dual monitor setup.0 -
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✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »I have heard of the eventual coming of DX12 as well,in rumors in the forums but nothing official.So,this new inexpensive card I just bought might not support that too.
In other words,every couple of years,I may need to buy another video card,..on and on and on.With no end of money having to be spent.
I guess I'll have to buy another one in a couple of months if mine only supports DX11,and save it for that ugly rainy day to come. XD
What card did you buy?
I bought this one:
MSI ATI Radeon HD6450 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI Low Profile PCI-Express Video Card R6450-MD1GD3/LP
It's all I could get at the immediate moment.I had to borrow for it,but no problem.My pal actually owes me $40.00. Hehehe.
Has 4.5 stars on amazon.com. Looks like you got a good card.
I'm just praying that it works with W10.It says it works with W7,so,..fingers crossed. I got it at Amazon.com,so if it doesnt work,I can return it for one that will,though I may have to pay a bit more.
:}
(on a different note,every time I pull up Chrome,I keep getting tons of redirects.Especially on this site above the others.)
Ooooh, you're running on Windows 10? I found this about the card, it may be handy to bookmark this for future reference, but it seems like this person got it working with Windows 10. Let us know how it runs ESO when you get it all settled in!
Edit: I had a derp moment and forgot to hyperlink. Whoops! My bad! Sorry. xD
Jeez,..I dont know even half of what the person was talking about.I am praying this will work.I bookmarked the site in case I have to do as he did with the driver situation.
Thank you oodles for the help.Highly appreciated. :}
To be fair most of that guy's issues in the review were because of his dual monitor setup.
Well,I just have one real concern about the video card.The cable,if it is different than my PCs is.I'll find out tomorrow or the next day.0 -
xellink✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »I have heard of the eventual coming of DX12 as well,in rumors in the forums but nothing official.So,this new inexpensive card I just bought might not support that too.
In other words,every couple of years,I may need to buy another video card,..on and on and on.With no end of money having to be spent.
I guess I'll have to buy another one in a couple of months if mine only supports DX11,and save it for that ugly rainy day to come. XD
What card did you buy?
I bought this one:
MSI ATI Radeon HD6450 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI Low Profile PCI-Express Video Card R6450-MD1GD3/LP
It's all I could get at the immediate moment.I had to borrow for it,but no problem.My pal actually owes me $40.00. Hehehe.
Has 4.5 stars on amazon.com. Looks like you got a good card.
I'm just praying that it works with W10.It says it works with W7,so,..fingers crossed. I got it at Amazon.com,so if it doesnt work,I can return it for one that will,though I may have to pay a bit more.
:}
(on a different note,every time I pull up Chrome,I keep getting tons of redirects.Especially on this site above the others.)
The specs for the card is too low for the game. Even intel haswell graphics can run the game on low smoothly but this card scores slightly below the intel card. You can play the game on low at best if you are lucky. Its not the price of the card that matters but you need to look at benchmarks and know which card has better support for which games.
Software matters because games are released broken and graphics card manufacturers have to write specific driver code to make the game run smoothly. That is the sad state of meeting unrealistic deadlines and player expectations.
Even Intel HD Graphics 4000 which comes with free with some processors will have relatively good performance on ESO. You may have better luck getting a refurbished Radeon HD 8350.0 -
KhajiitiLizard✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »I have heard of the eventual coming of DX12 as well,in rumors in the forums but nothing official.So,this new inexpensive card I just bought might not support that too.
In other words,every couple of years,I may need to buy another video card,..on and on and on.With no end of money having to be spent.
I guess I'll have to buy another one in a couple of months if mine only supports DX11,and save it for that ugly rainy day to come. XD
What card did you buy?
I bought this one:
MSI ATI Radeon HD6450 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI Low Profile PCI-Express Video Card R6450-MD1GD3/LP
It's all I could get at the immediate moment.I had to borrow for it,but no problem.My pal actually owes me $40.00. Hehehe.
Has 4.5 stars on amazon.com. Looks like you got a good card.
I'm just praying that it works with W10.It says it works with W7,so,..fingers crossed. I got it at Amazon.com,so if it doesnt work,I can return it for one that will,though I may have to pay a bit more.
:}
(on a different note,every time I pull up Chrome,I keep getting tons of redirects.Especially on this site above the others.)
Ooooh, you're running on Windows 10? I found this about the card, it may be handy to bookmark this for future reference, but it seems like this person got it working with Windows 10. Let us know how it runs ESO when you get it all settled in!
Edit: I had a derp moment and forgot to hyperlink. Whoops! My bad! Sorry. xD
Jeez,..I dont know even half of what the person was talking about.I am praying this will work.I bookmarked the site in case I have to do as he did with the driver situation.
Thank you oodles for the help.Highly appreciated. :}
To be fair most of that guy's issues in the review were because of his dual monitor setup.
Well,I just have one real concern about the video card.The cable,if it is different than my PCs is.I'll find out tomorrow or the next day.
Most likely it's DVI or HDMI... or both. It might also have multiple of each. If you are using an old VGA monitor you might as well buy a new monitor. These days the difference between a TV and a computer monitor is so low that you could buy pretty much any old small HD flat panel for like $1000 -
Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »I have heard of the eventual coming of DX12 as well,in rumors in the forums but nothing official.So,this new inexpensive card I just bought might not support that too.
In other words,every couple of years,I may need to buy another video card,..on and on and on.With no end of money having to be spent.
I guess I'll have to buy another one in a couple of months if mine only supports DX11,and save it for that ugly rainy day to come. XD
What card did you buy?
I bought this one:
MSI ATI Radeon HD6450 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI Low Profile PCI-Express Video Card R6450-MD1GD3/LP
It's all I could get at the immediate moment.I had to borrow for it,but no problem.My pal actually owes me $40.00. Hehehe.
Has 4.5 stars on amazon.com. Looks like you got a good card.
I'm just praying that it works with W10.It says it works with W7,so,..fingers crossed. I got it at Amazon.com,so if it doesnt work,I can return it for one that will,though I may have to pay a bit more.
:}
(on a different note,every time I pull up Chrome,I keep getting tons of redirects.Especially on this site above the others.)
The specs for the card is too low for the game. Even intel haswell graphics can run the game on low smoothly but this card scores slightly below the intel card. You can play the game on low at best if you are lucky. Its not the price of the card that matters but you need to look at benchmarks and know which card has better support for which games.
Software matters because games are released broken and graphics card manufacturers have to write specific driver code to make the game run smoothly. That is the sad state of meeting unrealistic deadlines and player expectations.
Even Intel HD Graphics 4000 which comes with free with some processors will have relatively good performance on ESO. You may have better luck getting a refurbished Radeon HD 8350.
Someone here who runs this card recommended it and a couple of other people have said it will work.Also,it supports DX11.My PC is good to go otherwise.
Also,it's really just a quick fix,until I can get a better one.0 -
Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭KhajiitiLizard wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »I have heard of the eventual coming of DX12 as well,in rumors in the forums but nothing official.So,this new inexpensive card I just bought might not support that too.
In other words,every couple of years,I may need to buy another video card,..on and on and on.With no end of money having to be spent.
I guess I'll have to buy another one in a couple of months if mine only supports DX11,and save it for that ugly rainy day to come. XD
What card did you buy?
I bought this one:
MSI ATI Radeon HD6450 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI Low Profile PCI-Express Video Card R6450-MD1GD3/LP
It's all I could get at the immediate moment.I had to borrow for it,but no problem.My pal actually owes me $40.00. Hehehe.
Has 4.5 stars on amazon.com. Looks like you got a good card.
I'm just praying that it works with W10.It says it works with W7,so,..fingers crossed. I got it at Amazon.com,so if it doesnt work,I can return it for one that will,though I may have to pay a bit more.
:}
(on a different note,every time I pull up Chrome,I keep getting tons of redirects.Especially on this site above the others.)
Ooooh, you're running on Windows 10? I found this about the card, it may be handy to bookmark this for future reference, but it seems like this person got it working with Windows 10. Let us know how it runs ESO when you get it all settled in!
Edit: I had a derp moment and forgot to hyperlink. Whoops! My bad! Sorry. xD
Jeez,..I dont know even half of what the person was talking about.I am praying this will work.I bookmarked the site in case I have to do as he did with the driver situation.
Thank you oodles for the help.Highly appreciated. :}
To be fair most of that guy's issues in the review were because of his dual monitor setup.
Well,I just have one real concern about the video card.The cable,if it is different than my PCs is.I'll find out tomorrow or the next day.
Most likely it's DVI or HDMI... or both. It might also have multiple of each. If you are using an old VGA monitor you might as well buy a new monitor. These days the difference between a TV and a computer monitor is so low that you could buy pretty much any old small HD flat panel for like $100
I just bought a new Hannspree Monitor.About three months ago.0