Anyone else have a problem with the DX11 move?

Volkodav

dimensional wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

But they 'warned' us a 'year' ago by 'updating the system requirements'! All laced sarcasm aside, they didn't even announce it. Not everyone looks at the system requirements daily (most, when they start playing a game, they tend to not revisit a page like that). Not everyone reads the forums daily (I sure as hell don't). Not everyone watches ESO live (most of us have jobs, some of us have -two-).)

Yes, not everyone is an informed consumer, we know this because of the massive amount of whining on display.

Your type of response.Not very helpful OR informative.

dimensional

Volkodav wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

But they 'warned' us a 'year' ago by 'updating the system requirements'! All laced sarcasm aside, they didn't even announce it. Not everyone looks at the system requirements daily (most, when they start playing a game, they tend to not revisit a page like that). Not everyone reads the forums daily (I sure as hell don't). Not everyone watches ESO live (most of us have jobs, some of us have -two-).)

Yes, not everyone is an informed consumer, we know this because of the massive amount of whining on display.

Your type of response.Not very helpful OR informative.

You mean like yesterday when I posted a screenshot and exact directions on how to access the 64bit client after you were crying about the new patch? After literally no one else helped you out and it was me? Is that what you're referring to?

FleetwoodSmack

dimensional wrote: »

I'm perfectly calm, I'm just tired of pointing out to you that ZOS has been dictionary definition "transparent" with their intents on moving to DX11, which they have stated last year. You keep telling me to prove to you that they said this, and I have no desire of googling around until I find the exact reference. I was trying to point out that many, many other people are saying the same exact thing, which sort of proves in an indirect way they we are all referencing the same event, it happened.

My initial response to you was that your criticism is misplaced. They have been transparent. They have not been pro-active.

Then how do you propose that they fix that issue? I'm not asking this to be bitter, I genuinely want to get something constructive going here through this irrelevant argument. Because regardless, right there you just admitted that they're not doing enough of something. If they released this info last year, why not sticky it for those that are new can see this upcoming change rather than buried under the tons and tons of "L2P" posts? We obviously have different visions on how transparency should work, regardless of the definition. That's a diatribe I'd rather not get into as it derails the issue at hand.

dimensional

I actually agree with you, and the solution is simple. Just do more. More engagement, more community posts. What are these ZOS community employees actually doing here if not to do exactly that? Let's have a decent schedule and flow of information from both the community leaders and the players and vice versa.

FleetwoodSmack

Volkodav wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

But they 'warned' us a 'year' ago by 'updating the system requirements'! All laced sarcasm aside, they didn't even announce it. Not everyone looks at the system requirements daily (most, when they start playing a game, they tend to not revisit a page like that). Not everyone reads the forums daily (I sure as hell don't). Not everyone watches ESO live (most of us have jobs, some of us have -two-).)

Yes, not everyone is an informed consumer, we know this because of the massive amount of whining on display.

Your type of response.Not very helpful OR informative.

Honestly, I think this person is just exasperated at this whole debate and instead of being constructive, they're just simply tired of seeing it.

Volkodav

dimensional wrote: »

Transparency means they have stated their intentions and have not obfuscated them. Which is entirely true, they've announced last year they were moving to DX11. That is the definition of transparency.

How many people will remember a small announcement given once last year?
Most have lives with a lot of issues and things that occupy their minds throughout the year.To give a notice that long ago and not remind people around a month or so that they wont be able to play without DX11,and dump those without it isnt very conductive to customer trust and continuance.
Plus,there are tons of players who never ever come into these forums,so how would they even know this was happening to them until they cant get into their game.Plus not even knowing why this has happened or how to fix it.

dimensional

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

But they 'warned' us a 'year' ago by 'updating the system requirements'! All laced sarcasm aside, they didn't even announce it. Not everyone looks at the system requirements daily (most, when they start playing a game, they tend to not revisit a page like that). Not everyone reads the forums daily (I sure as hell don't). Not everyone watches ESO live (most of us have jobs, some of us have -two-).)

Yes, not everyone is an informed consumer, we know this because of the massive amount of whining on display.

Your type of response.Not very helpful OR informative.

Honestly, I think this person is just exasperated at this whole debate and instead of being constructive, they're just simply tired of seeing it.

There's nothing to be done here in any constructive way, to be quite honest. If there was a chance that any single one of our posts would somehow fix this situation, I would be on top of it. Since that's not going to happen and it's clear ZOS is going to do their own thing, I'm just engaging in banter. That being said, I am helpful. Read the post I made right after his; I literally helped him out yesterday on an issue when absolutely no one else was giving any useful information. And this was even after we had both came to disagreements like you and I just now.

FleetwoodSmack

dimensional wrote: »

I actually agree with you, and the solution is simple. Just do more. More engagement, more community posts. What are these ZOS community employees actually doing here if not to do exactly that? Let's have a decent schedule and flow of information from both the community leaders and the players and vice versa.

Exactly. That's where I'm coming from. I mean is Gina the only one that's actually our only source of info in regards to the forum?

Volkodav

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

But they 'warned' us a 'year' ago by 'updating the system requirements'! All laced sarcasm aside, they didn't even announce it. Not everyone looks at the system requirements daily (most, when they start playing a game, they tend to not revisit a page like that). Not everyone reads the forums daily (I sure as hell don't). Not everyone watches ESO live (most of us have jobs, some of us have -two-).)

Yes, not everyone is an informed consumer, we know this because of the massive amount of whining on display.

Your type of response.Not very helpful OR informative.

Honestly, I think this person is just exasperated at this whole debate and instead of being constructive, they're just simply tired of seeing it.

The person attacked me on a thread I made and wouldnt stop with the foolishjcomments like this exact one.So I know their type of comments when they dont like something.

dimensional

Volkodav wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

But they 'warned' us a 'year' ago by 'updating the system requirements'! All laced sarcasm aside, they didn't even announce it. Not everyone looks at the system requirements daily (most, when they start playing a game, they tend to not revisit a page like that). Not everyone reads the forums daily (I sure as hell don't). Not everyone watches ESO live (most of us have jobs, some of us have -two-).)

Yes, not everyone is an informed consumer, we know this because of the massive amount of whining on display.

Your type of response.Not very helpful OR informative.

Honestly, I think this person is just exasperated at this whole debate and instead of being constructive, they're just simply tired of seeing it.

The person attacked me on a thread I made and wouldnt stop with the foolishjcomments like this exact one.So I know their type of comments when they dont like something.

Attacked = called you out on making the most useless thread I've seen in a while. Did you really need to post a new thread about your patching status, and giving us updates every 5 minutes on what % you were at? I simply said it was a waste of a thread and you got all insulted lmao

Volkodav

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

I actually agree with you, and the solution is simple. Just do more. More engagement, more community posts. What are these ZOS community employees actually doing here if not to do exactly that? Let's have a decent schedule and flow of information from both the community leaders and the players and vice versa.

Exactly. That's where I'm coming from. I mean is Gina the only one that's actually our only source of info in regards to the forum?

There are quite a few mods to go to.
Coryj is another who will help you,if he can.

FleetwoodSmack

dimensional wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

But they 'warned' us a 'year' ago by 'updating the system requirements'! All laced sarcasm aside, they didn't even announce it. Not everyone looks at the system requirements daily (most, when they start playing a game, they tend to not revisit a page like that). Not everyone reads the forums daily (I sure as hell don't). Not everyone watches ESO live (most of us have jobs, some of us have -two-).)

Yes, not everyone is an informed consumer, we know this because of the massive amount of whining on display.

Your type of response.Not very helpful OR informative.

Honestly, I think this person is just exasperated at this whole debate and instead of being constructive, they're just simply tired of seeing it.

There's nothing to be done here in any constructive way, to be quite honest. If there was a chance that any single one of our posts would somehow fix this situation, I would be on top of it. Since that's not going to happen and it's clear ZOS is going to do their own thing, I'm just engaging in banter. That being said, I am helpful. Read the post I made right after his; I literally helped him out yesterday on an issue when absolutely no one else was giving any useful information. And this was even after we had both came to disagreements like you and I just now.

That's what I've been trying to do in the crash thread. Unfortunately, I'm not Mac oriented so I have no idea what other things to do rather than just sit and wait. I have a week of free time. But thank you for at least going with the extra effort to resolve things. It's just kind of unfortunate that I fear you're right. I don't think that you're NOT helpful. I've seen the other posts.

Regardless, I'll be waiting a bit. I'm not sure if this new PC's integrated card can handle ESO (prolly not), I'll know when I get it. Right now I'm just going for bare minimum. It's a gaming case at least, so I don't have to worry as much about this propriety issue (can't upgrade the card without a new PSU and I can't upgrade the PSU because nothing else will fit). And I don't want things hanging out. That's just a fire waiting to happen.

dimensional

I certainly do hope they fix all these crucial issues soon, it sucks for people who can't play the game (and yes, I think it sucks even for you Volkodav even though you don't like me ). They should have kept support for older DX versions or done something more to alleviate this problem until everything was ironed out perfectly in the latest build they want to roll out.

FleetwoodSmack

dimensional wrote: »

I certainly do hope they fix all these crucial issues soon, it sucks for people who can't play the game (and yes, I think it sucks even for you Volkodav even though you don't like me ). They should have kept support for older DX versions or done something more to alleviate this problem until everything was ironed out perfectly in the latest build they want to roll out.

Indeed. 64bit looks like a mess. I know a lot of people were excited about it (I was too). Though the nude bug is quite funnicular. I think it's just that I had very high hopes for TG (even if I can't play it right now) and it seems like it's bombing because of all these issues. =/

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

@stewart.leslie76b16_ESO XP is dead and gone and to meet PCI Compliance you must be off of it. MS only supported it long enough to get you to the next system or when other software finally pushed you to it

And your proof that no one in the world is using XP anymore is? That's correct none. I can walk into business, universities, colleges, schools, NHS, government buildings, military establishments, the list is endless of people still using XP. All because Microsoft doesn't support it anymore doesn't mean that people still don't know how to use it, fine tune it, secure it for the needs required. I even have an xp running on virtual pc so I can still play older games because let's face it PC Compatibility is very hit and miss.

Is XP dead for MODERN gaming, yes totally agree.... But Wnidows 7 isn't which was right on the cross over point of DX10 to DX11. And a large portion of the community didn't touch Windows 8 with a barge pole so a fair amount of people are using Win7 (points to note I said fair amount, not all, not everyone, a fair amount).

So next time you have some sweeping statement that's allegedly going to blow me out the water, bring some evidence with you and not hear say. Hell, I even made FakeAlGore look in disbelieve at his own source material. DX8 hey, can't wait to see the next generation of games come from that survey.

In fact, here's a warning for you...

http://wccftech.com/elder-scrolls-online-dx12-upgrade-ps4-7th-core-usage-performance-improvements/

They are working on DX12, so better get your copy of Win 10 installed.

What are you talking about? PCI compliance is a fact of life for companies right now. It's even referred to in laws in some states.

Govt is huge, some school districts are huge, but even they are slowly rolling out new PCs with Win7. I haven't ran into a govt XP machine in a while. My company is huge and we just got done replacing all XP machines last year to be PCI compliant, rolled out W7 same time and are already pushing W10.

What are you talking about with XP? Hold on to it all you want it is still unsecured, and UNSUPPORTED. Browse your Internet's and play your old DX9 games all you want. Modern games move to modern times and ESO only had DX9 because of how long it was in development. I'm glad they planned for the future. Catch up.

Wow, the hypocrisy in this post, you gone from XP is dead to XP being phased out by all the establishments that I mentioned, even going as far as your company has finished upgrading from XP last year (which was just over 2 months ago).

And they didn't have DX9 in the game because of length of development, they had it in to get the most people playing the game. You might want to read the following thread...

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,1034123/The-Elder-Scrolls-Online-Improved-effects-with-DirectX-11-Exclusive-Tech-Interview/News/

Where else can I respond... Oh, PCI compliance... Because some States (got a specific number or at least a link to one of these laws to look at?) have it referred in their laws, 196 countries (Yes countries, believe it or not the state of Florida does not class as a country) must also refer to PCI compliance in their laws.

Now you seem fixated that I have Win XP. which I added on Virtual PC. Now to run Virtual PC, you need to install it on a machine with an operating system, which for me is Win 10, which runs all my games bar 1 (can you guess what it is?). so errr, maybe you should have asked what os I run first, just a hint.

And finally, unsecured and unsupported. Can't argue with unsupported... But you really have no idea what you are talking about here do you. I'll give you a bit of an education, there's a reason why MS os pcs were being attacked more then Apple products during the 80s and 90s, it's called market share, MS had the lion's portion of it. And the cyber criminals always go for the lion's portion (more chance of succeeding). Now much of the PC world runs XP now? Not much so not really in the cross hairs of cyber criminals any more. In fact you might want to go to a Def-Con convention to find out just how safe XP is to what is currently on the market.

Well, that's put more holes in your post then a tetley's t-bag. Have a nice day

You're not doing anything other than justifying your inability to maintain one PC to companies that have 50,000-100,00 PCs and more and we won't talk about mobility, registers, etc.

PC lifecycle has been a thing as far as I can remember which I had my first PC in 2000. I bought a cheap GPU, had to upgrade it when Morrowind released. And many more times. I'm merely referring to how dated XP is in relations to the DX9 support.

DX9 is no longer supported by MS. Such as XP. It's one of the ways they move you to the next OS. It's a reason why OpenGL was created. People are tired of having to upgrade OS just to play a newer game. But unfortunately you're not seeing the correlation and just want something to last forever.

ESO started development in 2007. DX9 came out in 2002. That's five years to adopt DX9 and XP was the first OS with an improved visual GUI...XP was adopted fast.

DX11 was announced in 2008 released 2009. Works on vista, w7 and w8. 6 years to adopt it.

You didn't even read anything I posted or look at the thread I presented.... I'll do you a favour and copy and paste the EXACT quote tanken from the article...

Q: We expect that The Elder Scrolls Online offers support for DX9 (again the good range of machines) and maybe for DX11 too? If not why do you stick to the DX9-API?

A: On Windows Vista and Windows 7, ESO runs with a DirectX 11 renderer, but we do still support Windows XP and DirectX 9.0c (shader model 3). We wanted players on launch day to get the big performance boosts and improved effects with DX11, but it is also important to let as many people experience the world as possible.

Now for some reason you seem fixated on me only, even though I've been fair on my posts stating SEVERAL TIMES that the reason behind what ZOS did is reasonable. I haven't cried about it. I haven't called ZOS morons for doing it. I even went as far as checking @FakeAlGore source material to where we both had a surprise.

And in what way have I proved my inability to maintian 1 pc over 100,000 pcs? Because I haven't got a machine that runs DX11? Why would I need a machine with DX11 if I'm happy with what I have? It plays all the games I want to play (apart from ESO, but so what). The only recent game I wouldn't mind trying is Age of Wonders 3.

So I don't play ESO anymore, plenty of over MMORPGs out there the last time I checked, and I'm pretty sure my machine (which is DX10.1 by the way, thanks for asking) can play all of them except one. So, if you want to attack me again because I have to work a crappy low paid job after being released from Systems Analyst contract due to a financial meltdown because one country couldn't afford to pay their mortgage then please continue. Otherwise do your research and present your evidence.

Volkodav

dimensional wrote: »

I certainly do hope they fix all these crucial issues soon, it sucks for people who can't play the game (and yes, I think it sucks even for you Volkodav even though you don't like me ). They should have kept support for older DX versions or done something more to alleviate this problem until everything was ironed out perfectly in the latest build they want to roll out.

Naaah,..I do like you. Hehe.We just butt heads occasionally.
I'm sorry if you thought I dont like you.It would take a whole lot more than a few words crossing swords to make me dislike anyone.
:}

Selstad

It's never fun for those who can't play due to these changes and there's really nothing that can be said to make it better. I understand though why Zenimax made that decision. DX10 is a standard that's 10 years old now, and a lot has happened on the graphic department since then. With a new standard looming on the horizon, there really aren't time and resources to keep 3 graphical standards alive and under development (DX10, 11 and 12). Something has to give.

I think it's necessary for them to focus on the "most recent" DX standard that most people are using, at the unfortunate sacrifice of the few who don't have DX11.

DX11 has been out since 2009, and a wast majority of players have already a Windows 7 environment with a DX11 supported card. That's just how things are, and from a business perspective, it makes sense to "cut away" old technology and move forward.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO

Selstad wrote: »

It's never fun for those who can't play due to these changes and there's really nothing that can be said to make it better. I understand though why Zenimax made that decision. DX10 is a standard that's 10 years old now, and a lot has happened on the graphic department since then. With a new standard looming on the horizon, there really aren't time and resources to keep 3 graphical standards alive and under development (DX10, 11 and 12). Something has to give.

I think it's necessary for them to focus on the "most recent" DX standard that most people are using, at the unfortunate sacrifice of the few who don't have DX11.

DX11 has been out since 2009, and a wast majority of players have already a Windows 7 environment with a DX11 supported card. That's just how things are, and from a business perspective, it makes sense to "cut away" old technology and move forward.

I agree with what you say however, everyone has harped on about Steam hardware survey, and for the last 2 months the most prominent GPU has been DX8 or lower. The stupid thing is though for the previous 3 months DX11 was number 1. So, a tough one to explain.

ZOS are working on DX12, I posted a thread earlier about it. If ZOS can't maintain DX9 and DX11, then what do you think is going to happen when ESO is running DX11 and DX12? My advice, be ready for DX12 before ZOS is.

Q_Man

Try running dxcpl.exe google it and get the software kit from microsoft for your specific operating system and maybe it works

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO

Q_Man wrote: »

Try running dxcpl.exe google it and get the software kit from microsoft for your specific operating system and maybe it works

How can that even be possible?

WalkingLegacy

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

@stewart.leslie76b16_ESO XP is dead and gone and to meet PCI Compliance you must be off of it. MS only supported it long enough to get you to the next system or when other software finally pushed you to it

And your proof that no one in the world is using XP anymore is? That's correct none. I can walk into business, universities, colleges, schools, NHS, government buildings, military establishments, the list is endless of people still using XP. All because Microsoft doesn't support it anymore doesn't mean that people still don't know how to use it, fine tune it, secure it for the needs required. I even have an xp running on virtual pc so I can still play older games because let's face it PC Compatibility is very hit and miss.

Is XP dead for MODERN gaming, yes totally agree.... But Wnidows 7 isn't which was right on the cross over point of DX10 to DX11. And a large portion of the community didn't touch Windows 8 with a barge pole so a fair amount of people are using Win7 (points to note I said fair amount, not all, not everyone, a fair amount).

So next time you have some sweeping statement that's allegedly going to blow me out the water, bring some evidence with you and not hear say. Hell, I even made FakeAlGore look in disbelieve at his own source material. DX8 hey, can't wait to see the next generation of games come from that survey.

In fact, here's a warning for you...

http://wccftech.com/elder-scrolls-online-dx12-upgrade-ps4-7th-core-usage-performance-improvements/

They are working on DX12, so better get your copy of Win 10 installed.

What are you talking about? PCI compliance is a fact of life for companies right now. It's even referred to in laws in some states.

Govt is huge, some school districts are huge, but even they are slowly rolling out new PCs with Win7. I haven't ran into a govt XP machine in a while. My company is huge and we just got done replacing all XP machines last year to be PCI compliant, rolled out W7 same time and are already pushing W10.

What are you talking about with XP? Hold on to it all you want it is still unsecured, and UNSUPPORTED. Browse your Internet's and play your old DX9 games all you want. Modern games move to modern times and ESO only had DX9 because of how long it was in development. I'm glad they planned for the future. Catch up.

Wow, the hypocrisy in this post, you gone from XP is dead to XP being phased out by all the establishments that I mentioned, even going as far as your company has finished upgrading from XP last year (which was just over 2 months ago).

And they didn't have DX9 in the game because of length of development, they had it in to get the most people playing the game. You might want to read the following thread...

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,1034123/The-Elder-Scrolls-Online-Improved-effects-with-DirectX-11-Exclusive-Tech-Interview/News/

Where else can I respond... Oh, PCI compliance... Because some States (got a specific number or at least a link to one of these laws to look at?) have it referred in their laws, 196 countries (Yes countries, believe it or not the state of Florida does not class as a country) must also refer to PCI compliance in their laws.

Now you seem fixated that I have Win XP. which I added on Virtual PC. Now to run Virtual PC, you need to install it on a machine with an operating system, which for me is Win 10, which runs all my games bar 1 (can you guess what it is?). so errr, maybe you should have asked what os I run first, just a hint.

And finally, unsecured and unsupported. Can't argue with unsupported... But you really have no idea what you are talking about here do you. I'll give you a bit of an education, there's a reason why MS os pcs were being attacked more then Apple products during the 80s and 90s, it's called market share, MS had the lion's portion of it. And the cyber criminals always go for the lion's portion (more chance of succeeding). Now much of the PC world runs XP now? Not much so not really in the cross hairs of cyber criminals any more. In fact you might want to go to a Def-Con convention to find out just how safe XP is to what is currently on the market.

Well, that's put more holes in your post then a tetley's t-bag. Have a nice day

You're not doing anything other than justifying your inability to maintain one PC to companies that have 50,000-100,00 PCs and more and we won't talk about mobility, registers, etc.

PC lifecycle has been a thing as far as I can remember which I had my first PC in 2000. I bought a cheap GPU, had to upgrade it when Morrowind released. And many more times. I'm merely referring to how dated XP is in relations to the DX9 support.

DX9 is no longer supported by MS. Such as XP. It's one of the ways they move you to the next OS. It's a reason why OpenGL was created. People are tired of having to upgrade OS just to play a newer game. But unfortunately you're not seeing the correlation and just want something to last forever.

ESO started development in 2007. DX9 came out in 2002. That's five years to adopt DX9 and XP was the first OS with an improved visual GUI...XP was adopted fast.

DX11 was announced in 2008 released 2009. Works on vista, w7 and w8. 6 years to adopt it.

You didn't even read anything I posted or look at the thread I presented.... I'll do you a favour and copy and paste the EXACT quote tanken from the article...

Q: We expect that The Elder Scrolls Online offers support for DX9 (again the good range of machines) and maybe for DX11 too? If not why do you stick to the DX9-API?

A: On Windows Vista and Windows 7, ESO runs with a DirectX 11 renderer, but we do still support Windows XP and DirectX 9.0c (shader model 3). We wanted players on launch day to get the big performance boosts and improved effects with DX11, but it is also important to let as many people experience the world as possible.

Now for some reason you seem fixated on me only, even though I've been fair on my posts stating SEVERAL TIMES that the reason behind what ZOS did is reasonable. I haven't cried about it. I haven't called ZOS morons for doing it. I even went as far as checking @FakeAlGore source material to where we both had a surprise.

And in what way have I proved my inability to maintian 1 pc over 100,000 pcs? Because I haven't got a machine that runs DX11? Why would I need a machine with DX11 if I'm happy with what I have? It plays all the games I want to play (apart from ESO, but so what). The only recent game I wouldn't mind trying is Age of Wonders 3.

So I don't play ESO anymore, plenty of over MMORPGs out there the last time I checked, and I'm pretty sure my machine (which is DX10.1 by the way, thanks for asking) can play all of them except one. So, if you want to attack me again because I have to work a crappy low paid job after being released from Systems Analyst contract due to a financial meltdown because one country couldn't afford to pay their mortgage then please continue. Otherwise do your research and present your evidence.

Your article you refer to is besides my point. I'm not attacking you, nor referring to any machine you own.

I'm simply stating there is PC lifecycle. It has always been so. And for people gaming on old hardware and not able to upgrade, such is life. You're not the only one and I have been in those shoes. When I was unemployed or working low end jobs or in the military I didn't really focus on maintaining a healthy gaming PC.

Like you said, there ARE plenty of other games out there you can enjoy. I have no idea your machine capabilities but you sound like you know how to solve that issue.

I understand peoples frustration but at the end of the day everyone needs to understand that nothing lasts forever. And ZOS trying to keep their game up to current capabilities is a breath of fresh air.

ADarklore

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS are working on DX12, I posted a thread earlier about it.

Exactly where did they state they are working on DX12? That would mean forcing all players who run Windows 7 to upgrade to Windows 10... and there are many of us who have no interest in doing that.

WalkingLegacy

ADarklore wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS are working on DX12, I posted a thread earlier about it.

Exactly where did they state they are working on DX12? That would mean forcing all players who run Windows 7 to upgrade to Windows 10... and there are many of us who have no interest in doing that.

You will when they kill support. They plan to kill Win7 support faster than all their other OS since they gave a chance to upgrade for free (until June or July this year).

FleetwoodSmack

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Q_Man wrote: »

Try running dxcpl.exe google it and get the software kit from microsoft for your specific operating system and maybe it works

How can that even be possible?

It basically makes the game think you're running DX11.1. HOWEVER... Expect very very low framerates. I might try it after this patch. I can at least get crafting stuff done, though I'm not holding my breath on this current rig.

ADarklore wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS are working on DX12, I posted a thread earlier about it.

Exactly where did they state they are working on DX12? That would mean forcing all players who run Windows 7 to upgrade to Windows 10... and there are many of us who have no interest in doing that.

http://wccftech.com/elder-scrolls-online-dx12-upgrade-ps4-7th-core-usage-performance-improvements/

(Sorry if I post this again after you Stewart)

Q_Man

It emulates the direct x 11 part on the cpu and the rest on the gpu i'm not entirely sure, or thats what some people say i havent tried it yet as i have dx 11 but ill probably try it when dx 12 games comes for a while if i can hehe, you can also watch youtube vids some games work but not all so maybe it works

EnemyOfDaState

ADarklore wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS are working on DX12, I posted a thread earlier about it.

Exactly where did they state they are working on DX12? That would mean forcing all players who run Windows 7 to upgrade to Windows 10... and there are many of us who have no interest in doing that.

Unlike DX10 I'm pretty sure DX11 will still be supported since it is the industry standard they are just working on DX12.

Volkodav

I have heard of the eventual coming of DX12 as well,in rumors in the forums but nothing official.So,this new inexpensive card I just bought might not support that too.
In other words,every couple of years,I may need to buy another video card,..on and on and on.With no end of money having to be spent.
I guess I'll have to buy another one in a couple of months if mine only supports DX11,and save it for that ugly rainy day to come. XD

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO

@IndyWendieGo No worries, thanks. I'm trying the DX SDK thing to see if it works, down loading it at the moment, I'll post what happens later.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS are working on DX12, I posted a thread earlier about it.

Exactly where did they state they are working on DX12? That would mean forcing all players who run Windows 7 to upgrade to Windows 10... and there are many of us who have no interest in doing that.

Unlike DX10 I'm pretty sure DX11 will still be supported since it is the industry standard they are just working on DX12.

Want to place your house as a bet on that?

Tandor

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Selstad wrote: »

It's never fun for those who can't play due to these changes and there's really nothing that can be said to make it better. I understand though why Zenimax made that decision. DX10 is a standard that's 10 years old now, and a lot has happened on the graphic department since then. With a new standard looming on the horizon, there really aren't time and resources to keep 3 graphical standards alive and under development (DX10, 11 and 12). Something has to give.

I think it's necessary for them to focus on the "most recent" DX standard that most people are using, at the unfortunate sacrifice of the few who don't have DX11.

DX11 has been out since 2009, and a wast majority of players have already a Windows 7 environment with a DX11 supported card. That's just how things are, and from a business perspective, it makes sense to "cut away" old technology and move forward.

I agree with what you say however, everyone has harped on about Steam hardware survey, and for the last 2 months the most prominent GPU has been DX8 or lower. The stupid thing is though for the previous 3 months DX11 was number 1. So, a tough one to explain.

ZOS are working on DX12, I posted a thread earlier about it. If ZOS can't maintain DX9 and DX11, then what do you think is going to happen when ESO is running DX11 and DX12? My advice, be ready for DX12 before ZOS is.

I doubt that'll be a problem. My hunch is that they've discontinued support for DX9 because they're already working on DX12 and really don't want three different DX versions tying up resources. Besides, abandoning DX11 will only make commercial sense to them when the proportion of players using DX12 over DX11 is as high as the proportion of players currently using DX11 over DX9, and not only will Windows 10 have to be a lot more successful for that stage to be reached but a lot of DX11 players will also have to upgrade their non-DX12 compliant cards. The gaming industry won't be giving up on DX11 for a good while yet.