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Anyone else have a problem with the DX11 move?
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EnemyOfDaState✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »
How many of those people are PC gamers because it definitely isn't a billion. I don't get the issue, Steams user base is clearly large enough to show that majority of gamers have DX11. Yeah it sucks for the people who have 7-8 year old computers but that's life. People don't expect Xbox 360 to still be supported 8 years after the Xbox One launch.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.
To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).
And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years
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I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.
Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.
100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.
I would bet as far as pc gamers maybe 30-40% use steam. Like I said mainly younger people under the age of 25. I also would bet a ton of those 100 million come from China and Korea. 3 billion people just in china alone. So ya if you use steam surveys to figure out your games outside of steam then you might be making a mistake. Obviously ZOS knows its own numbers and saw that dx9/10 users made up just a small percentage. They figure it was worth the loss of revenue.
Majority are from the USA followed by Russia.
If you look on their stats page ESO almost isnt even in the top 100 games on steam. So obviously not the majority of even ESO players use steam much less the pc gaming community in general. I mean ESO got handily beaten by such awesome games as farm simulator 15 and american truck simulator.
What point are you trying to make exactly? Steam controls a large part of the PC gaming market this is a fact, majority of those people are from the USA and Europe that is a fact, majority of their user base uses DX11 that is a fact. All this points to the same thing, most PC gamers have DX11 compatible Video Cards. This is further proven by the fact that Zenimax had no problem losing DX10 users as customers.
Yes those are all facts. You know whats also a fact. Hardly anyone who uses steam plays ESO. Fact is tho as I pointed out most of the PC community doesnt use steam.
How have you pointed anything out you gave zero reasons for your opinion outside of you and your friends.
What about the fact ESO is barely in the top 100 played games on steam? Maybe the ESO crowd isnt the same as the steam crowd? If you havent noticed also this is NOT skyrim.
This game wasn't on Steam at release it is really that simple.
Cool so its ok to simply ignore the steam stats since most dont play this on steam.
Sure as long as you are working under the assumption that most of the people who don't use Steam for this game don't use Steam at all which would be a pretty ridiculous claim.Edited by EnemyOfDaState on March 9, 2016 9:49PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »
How many of those people are PC gamers because it definitely isn't a billion. I don't get the issue, Steams user base is clearly large enough to show that majority of gamers have DX11. Yeah it sucks for the people who have 7-8 year old computers but that's life. People don't expect Xbox 360 to still be supported 8 years after the Xbox One launch.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.
To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).
And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !
I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.
Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.
100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.
I would bet as far as pc gamers maybe 30-40% use steam. Like I said mainly younger people under the age of 25. I also would bet a ton of those 100 million come from China and Korea. 3 billion people just in china alone. So ya if you use steam surveys to figure out your games outside of steam then you might be making a mistake. Obviously ZOS knows its own numbers and saw that dx9/10 users made up just a small percentage. They figure it was worth the loss of revenue.
Majority are from the USA followed by Russia.
If you look on their stats page ESO almost isnt even in the top 100 games on steam. So obviously not the majority of even ESO players use steam much less the pc gaming community in general. I mean ESO got handily beaten by such awesome games as farm simulator 15 and american truck simulator.
What point are you trying to make exactly? Steam controls a large part of the PC gaming market this is a fact, majority of those people are from the USA and Europe that is a fact, majority of their user base uses DX11 that is a fact. All this points to the same thing, most PC gamers have DX11 compatible Video Cards. This is further proven by the fact that Zenimax had no problem losing DX10 users as customers.
Yes those are all facts. You know whats also a fact. Hardly anyone who uses steam plays ESO. Fact is tho as I pointed out most of the PC community doesnt use steam.
Given that there are 100 million people using Steam, over 10 million concurrently, it's hardly surprising that "hardly anyone who uses Steam plays ESO" if you're talking percentages. That's true of any game, but then Steam does have over 7,500 games available.
I think you're confused by the fact that most people who play ESO don't do so through Steam. That's because it wasn't on Steam until well after it launched, and the terms on which it was made available on Steam deterred most existing players from switching to it.
Have you even considered the number of ESO players on PC who have played Skyrim? Certainly not "hardly anyone", yet guess which platform they played it on. Hint: It requires a Steam account for activation.
EDIT: Apologies for the late edit during which someone agreed with me - I hope they still do!
We are talking about ESO are we not? So I think the fact that they dropped DX9/10 support reflects the fact that the majority of people who use ESO are not the same demographic as the majority who use steam. So if most of your players play the game outside of steam then why on earth would you use steam stats to base what you do on your game where most of your players dont use steam?
Where did they say that they based their decision to drop support for DX9/10 on Steam stats? I must have missed that announcement, can you give a link please?0 -
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This would be a valid argument, however; even if most ESO users do not use Steam, Steam's statistics can very readily be used for their generic PC stats.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »
How many of those people are PC gamers because it definitely isn't a billion. I don't get the issue, Steams user base is clearly large enough to show that majority of gamers have DX11. Yeah it sucks for the people who have 7-8 year old computers but that's life. People don't expect Xbox 360 to still be supported 8 years after the Xbox One launch.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.
To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).
And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !
I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.
Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.
100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.
I would bet as far as pc gamers maybe 30-40% use steam. Like I said mainly younger people under the age of 25. I also would bet a ton of those 100 million come from China and Korea. 3 billion people just in china alone. So ya if you use steam surveys to figure out your games outside of steam then you might be making a mistake. Obviously ZOS knows its own numbers and saw that dx9/10 users made up just a small percentage. They figure it was worth the loss of revenue.
Majority are from the USA followed by Russia.
If you look on their stats page ESO almost isnt even in the top 100 games on steam. So obviously not the majority of even ESO players use steam much less the pc gaming community in general. I mean ESO got handily beaten by such awesome games as farm simulator 15 and american truck simulator.
What point are you trying to make exactly? Steam controls a large part of the PC gaming market this is a fact, majority of those people are from the USA and Europe that is a fact, majority of their user base uses DX11 that is a fact. All this points to the same thing, most PC gamers have DX11 compatible Video Cards. This is further proven by the fact that Zenimax had no problem losing DX10 users as customers.
Yes those are all facts. You know whats also a fact. Hardly anyone who uses steam plays ESO. Fact is tho as I pointed out most of the PC community doesnt use steam.
Given that there are 100 million people using Steam, over 10 million concurrently, it's hardly surprising that "hardly anyone who uses Steam plays ESO" if you're talking percentages. That's true of any game, but then Steam does have over 7,500 games available.
I think you're confused by the fact that most people who play ESO don't do so through Steam. That's because it wasn't on Steam until well after it launched, and the terms on which it was made available on Steam deterred most existing players from switching to it.
Have you even considered the number of ESO players on PC who have played Skyrim? Certainly not "hardly anyone", yet guess which platform they played it on. Hint: It requires a Steam account for activation.
EDIT: Apologies for the late edit during which someone agreed with me - I hope they still do!
We are talking about ESO are we not? So I think the fact that they dropped DX9/10 support reflects the fact that the majority of people who use ESO are not the same demographic as the majority who use steam. So if most of your players play the game outside of steam then why on earth would you use steam stats to base what you do on your game where most of your players dont use steam?
Such as the one about the general tech level of viability amongst its users.
If Steam says that 80+% of it's 100million users are DX11 capable, it stands to reason that the vast majority of ESO users are also DX11 capable right this instant. So it is easy to use those same statistics to fathom that only a small fraction of a percentage of ESO Gamers would be negatively affected by moving the minimum specs to DX11.
And that's exactly what happened. If the number of negatively affected users was going to be an overly large number of players, or if that number were an actual risk of hurting their bottom-line, then the change would have never happened. that's just corporate Business 101.
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Well I do agree with you there. Its not changing and the game is moving forward.
It sucks. I totally get the frustration. I'm one of those people who have to shuck out money for an entirely new rig for a game that I enjoy on my downtime. But I also have to accept this fact and hope that these bugs get worked out when I'm able to play again and ZOS takes this in as a learning experience (wishful thinking, I know). Behind all this hysteria, behind the fiascoes, and behind the lack of pro-activeness with the current team I still have faith that they're doing this for a better gaming experience. If those of us that are affected by the drop of DX9/10 really want to stay and try to give feedback on how to make this game better, then we have to adapt to the current PC minimum meta.
I don't remember people stating that ZOS got this from Steam, rather they linked a specific statistic that showed that quite a few people are running DX11. I do find the current months of those using DX8 to be a bit odd (maybe some retro-gamers having to dumb down their machines to play due to hardware/software conflicts), but nonetheless that statistic is there. There is literally nothing that we can do other than to adapt and become more aware and involved in the forum community to make sure that we're not in the same boat again. Stewart provided a link that DX12 is on the horizon with no ETA currently. That was around a month ago. So maybe in a year or two, we should probably prepare again for an upgrade to that. Maybe they'll keep DX11 support with that, and I think that'd be pretty awesome if they do.
However my point is, if ZOS isn't going to be pro-active in keeping the consumer base a little more informed, then we have to take that measure into our own hands by becoming more involved here as well. You have five stars and I have two. I'm a skrub when it comes to being on the forums. It's up to all of us to keep up to date with vital information like this.Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!0 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »
How many of those people are PC gamers because it definitely isn't a billion. I don't get the issue, Steams user base is clearly large enough to show that majority of gamers have DX11. Yeah it sucks for the people who have 7-8 year old computers but that's life. People don't expect Xbox 360 to still be supported 8 years after the Xbox One launch.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.
To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).
And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !
I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.
Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.
100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.
I would bet as far as pc gamers maybe 30-40% use steam. Like I said mainly younger people under the age of 25. I also would bet a ton of those 100 million come from China and Korea. 3 billion people just in china alone. So ya if you use steam surveys to figure out your games outside of steam then you might be making a mistake. Obviously ZOS knows its own numbers and saw that dx9/10 users made up just a small percentage. They figure it was worth the loss of revenue.
Majority are from the USA followed by Russia.
If you look on their stats page ESO almost isnt even in the top 100 games on steam. So obviously not the majority of even ESO players use steam much less the pc gaming community in general. I mean ESO got handily beaten by such awesome games as farm simulator 15 and american truck simulator.
What point are you trying to make exactly? Steam controls a large part of the PC gaming market this is a fact, majority of those people are from the USA and Europe that is a fact, majority of their user base uses DX11 that is a fact. All this points to the same thing, most PC gamers have DX11 compatible Video Cards. This is further proven by the fact that Zenimax had no problem losing DX10 users as customers.
Yes those are all facts. You know whats also a fact. Hardly anyone who uses steam plays ESO. Fact is tho as I pointed out most of the PC community doesnt use steam.
Given that there are 100 million people using Steam, over 10 million concurrently, it's hardly surprising that "hardly anyone who uses Steam plays ESO" if you're talking percentages. That's true of any game, but then Steam does have over 7,500 games available.
I think you're confused by the fact that most people who play ESO don't do so through Steam. That's because it wasn't on Steam until well after it launched, and the terms on which it was made available on Steam deterred most existing players from switching to it.
Have you even considered the number of ESO players on PC who have played Skyrim? Certainly not "hardly anyone", yet guess which platform they played it on. Hint: It requires a Steam account for activation.
EDIT: Apologies for the late edit during which someone agreed with me - I hope they still do!
We are talking about ESO are we not? So I think the fact that they dropped DX9/10 support reflects the fact that the majority of people who use ESO are not the same demographic as the majority who use steam. So if most of your players play the game outside of steam then why on earth would you use steam stats to base what you do on your game where most of your players dont use steam?
Where did they say that they based their decision to drop support for DX9/10 on Steam stats? I must have missed that announcement, can you give a link please?
Where did you read that lol. They didnt make any decisions to keep or to drop on steam stats alone. Im sure they looked at them but like I said before obviously they didnt think there were enough people using dx 10 and before to warrant supporting that tech anymore.0 -
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✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
This would be a valid argument, however; even if most ESO users do not use Steam, Steam's statistics can very readily be used for their generic PC stats.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »
How many of those people are PC gamers because it definitely isn't a billion. I don't get the issue, Steams user base is clearly large enough to show that majority of gamers have DX11. Yeah it sucks for the people who have 7-8 year old computers but that's life. People don't expect Xbox 360 to still be supported 8 years after the Xbox One launch.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.
To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).
And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !
I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.
Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.
100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.
I would bet as far as pc gamers maybe 30-40% use steam. Like I said mainly younger people under the age of 25. I also would bet a ton of those 100 million come from China and Korea. 3 billion people just in china alone. So ya if you use steam surveys to figure out your games outside of steam then you might be making a mistake. Obviously ZOS knows its own numbers and saw that dx9/10 users made up just a small percentage. They figure it was worth the loss of revenue.
Majority are from the USA followed by Russia.
If you look on their stats page ESO almost isnt even in the top 100 games on steam. So obviously not the majority of even ESO players use steam much less the pc gaming community in general. I mean ESO got handily beaten by such awesome games as farm simulator 15 and american truck simulator.
What point are you trying to make exactly? Steam controls a large part of the PC gaming market this is a fact, majority of those people are from the USA and Europe that is a fact, majority of their user base uses DX11 that is a fact. All this points to the same thing, most PC gamers have DX11 compatible Video Cards. This is further proven by the fact that Zenimax had no problem losing DX10 users as customers.
Yes those are all facts. You know whats also a fact. Hardly anyone who uses steam plays ESO. Fact is tho as I pointed out most of the PC community doesnt use steam.
Given that there are 100 million people using Steam, over 10 million concurrently, it's hardly surprising that "hardly anyone who uses Steam plays ESO" if you're talking percentages. That's true of any game, but then Steam does have over 7,500 games available.
I think you're confused by the fact that most people who play ESO don't do so through Steam. That's because it wasn't on Steam until well after it launched, and the terms on which it was made available on Steam deterred most existing players from switching to it.
Have you even considered the number of ESO players on PC who have played Skyrim? Certainly not "hardly anyone", yet guess which platform they played it on. Hint: It requires a Steam account for activation.
EDIT: Apologies for the late edit during which someone agreed with me - I hope they still do!
We are talking about ESO are we not? So I think the fact that they dropped DX9/10 support reflects the fact that the majority of people who use ESO are not the same demographic as the majority who use steam. So if most of your players play the game outside of steam then why on earth would you use steam stats to base what you do on your game where most of your players dont use steam?
Such as the one about the general tech level of viability amongst its users.
If Steam says that 80+% of it's 100million users are DX11 capable, it stands to reason that the vast majority of ESO users are also DX11 capable right this instant. So it is easy to use those same statistics to fathom that only a small fraction of a percentage of ESO Gamers would be negatively affected by moving the minimum specs to DX11.
And that's exactly what happened. If the number of negatively affected users was going to be an overly large number of players, or if that number were an actual risk of hurting their bottom-line, then the change would have never happened. that's just corporate Business 101.
Like I said to the other person I am sure they might have looked at steam stats but fact is most pc users dont use steam. There are an estimate 700-800 million pc gamers worldwide. Even if all 100 million people were individual people and not the same person with multiple accounts thats only 10% of the entire pc gaming base.0 -
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✭✭✭As far as keeping people informed they have been telling people about this since last year. They even changed the min specs back on october to reflect it.0 -
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »As far as keeping people informed they have been telling people about this since last year. They even changed the min specs back on october to reflect it.
Right, however we're unsure of what your point -exactly- is. Perhaps laying it out all in one summarized post would help us understand what you're trying to say?Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!0 -
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✭Steam is the go to online distribution platform for games. I would wager most people still prefer a separate client to their MMOs, I know I do. I have steam but try and keep my MMOs off it if I can.
I'm sure they can get metrics anywhere (like Microsoft) and maybe ZOS had their own in-house metric of how many people still game on toasters. (Jokes aside)
It doesn't really matter where they got their metric. DX9 is 17 years old this year and it's time to let it die. Good job ZOS on this decision. I wish other MMOs spent more time upgrading tech and phasing out old tech.Edited by WalkingLegacy on March 9, 2016 10:56PM2 -
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✭✭✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »Steam is the go to online distribution platform for games. I would wager most people still prefer a separate client to their MMOs, I know I do. I have steam but try and keep my MMOs off it if I can.
I'm sure they can get metrics anywhere (like Microsoft) and maybe ZOS had their own in-house metric of how many people still game on toasters. (Jokes aside)
It doesn't really matter where they got their metric. DX9 is 17 years old this year and it's time to let it die. Good job ZOS on this decision. I wish other MMOs spent more time upgrading tech and phasing out old tech.
I think the main complain is removing the support for DX 10 tho not 9.Edited by jamesharv2005ub17_ESO on March 9, 2016 10:57PM0 -
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✭✭✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »As far as keeping people informed they have been telling people about this since last year. They even changed the min specs back on october to reflect it.
Right, however we're unsure of what your point -exactly- is. Perhaps laying it out all in one summarized post would help us understand what you're trying to say?
My point was and is that you cant judge people who play ESO by basing it off what steam stats say people run. If you look steam stats says the majority use dx 8 this month and last month. Also another point is contrary to belief most PC gamers do not use steam.Edited by jamesharv2005ub17_ESO on March 9, 2016 10:59PM0 -
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✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »It doesn't really matter where they got their metric. DX9 is 17 years old this year and it's time to let it die.
Kinda hard to believe though that it's already 17 years old. Where did all this time GO? Like, seriously. 17 years ago I was playing EverQuest until BioWare's NwN came out.
Edit:jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »As far as keeping people informed they have been telling people about this since last year. They even changed the min specs back on october to reflect it.
Right, however we're unsure of what your point -exactly- is. Perhaps laying it out all in one summarized post would help us understand what you're trying to say?
My point was and is that you cant judge people who play ESO by basing it off what steam stats say people run. If you look steam stats says the majority use dx 8 this month and last month. Also another point is contrary to belief most PC gamers do not use steam.
I can also see that dx8 being retro machines picking up old games. I've got a lot of friends running Steam on older machines to run old games LIKE NwN (2002) and have the overlay to chat with friends. So there could be something to do with something similar somewhere in that regard, I could be wrong. But no one was judging who plays ESO on the Steam stats. Rather we were judging about a large majority running DX11 prior to the last few months. I doubt that those running DX11 just dropped off the face of the planet, so there's probably more to that story than what can be displayed through statistical data like that.Edited by FleetwoodSmack on March 9, 2016 11:05PMTell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!0 -
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »Steam is the go to online distribution platform for games. I would wager most people still prefer a separate client to their MMOs, I know I do. I have steam but try and keep my MMOs off it if I can.
I'm sure they can get metrics anywhere (like Microsoft) and maybe ZOS had their own in-house metric of how many people still game on toasters. (Jokes aside)
It doesn't really matter where they got their metric. DX9 is 17 years old this year and it's time to let it die. Good job ZOS on this decision. I wish other MMOs spent more time upgrading tech and phasing out old tech.
I think the main complain is removing the support for DX 10 tho not 9.
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✭✭✭Anyways think it says someplace in the TOS the min specs can change. You accept those when you install the game. Most people claiming they need a whole new computer can buy a $50 vid card from amazon or newegg and continue to play. Since there is no monthly fee I just dont get the uproar.0 -
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Anyways think it says someplace in the TOS the min specs can change. You accept those when you install the game. Most people claiming they need a whole new computer can buy a $50 vid card from amazon or newegg and continue to play. Since there is no monthly fee I just dont get the uproar.
Actually I DO have to buy a new computer. I've stated a few times to you directly. xD It's a proprietary issue, meaning that it cannot be PHYSICALLY upgraded due to the constraints of the space within the case. So yes. I do have to buy a new computer. The 'uproar' from my part is exaggerated. TOS/EULA, it'd still have been helpful if the information was stickied, not just for myself, but for those that joined when the specs still had DX9 listed. There's also people on a balanced budget, which if you're single, own your own property, plus vehicles... Things get a bit outrageous. However that's neither here nor there on my issue which won't be resolved due to ZOS being ZOS. That I'm willing to accept because Gina's just one person and the others that know about what's upcoming aren't really all that active. The uproar you're probably referencing to is the sympathy for those that can't get into the game, which from your posts, seem to flip flop between "They should have allowed DX10 users to still play the game" to this much more recent stance. It's kind of confusing.Edited by FleetwoodSmack on March 9, 2016 11:27PMTell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!0 -
Everyone loves bringing up steam and mentioning how DX11 is the most used on steam, even though I keep putting up the link and keep having to say the same words. Here they are again....
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/
It's really simple to see the table showing what hardware Steam users have, you just click on the link and your pc will do all the rest. Even Windows ME could handle that.
I've already have one say that Steam surveys are all over the place with their stats.
I, as a loyal member of the Foamy Cult, do solemnly swear to live a logical life free of stupidity, ignorance and all round jack assery. I shall do my best to enlighten those in need of Squirrelly Wisdom in hope of one day ridding the world of human idiocy. This I swear.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »
How many of those people are PC gamers because it definitely isn't a billion. I don't get the issue, Steams user base is clearly large enough to show that majority of gamers have DX11. Yeah it sucks for the people who have 7-8 year old computers but that's life. People don't expect Xbox 360 to still be supported 8 years after the Xbox One launch.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.
To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).
And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !
I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.
Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.
100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.
I would bet as far as pc gamers maybe 30-40% use steam. Like I said mainly younger people under the age of 25. I also would bet a ton of those 100 million come from China and Korea. 3 billion people just in china alone. So ya if you use steam surveys to figure out your games outside of steam then you might be making a mistake. Obviously ZOS knows its own numbers and saw that dx9/10 users made up just a small percentage. They figure it was worth the loss of revenue.
Majority are from the USA followed by Russia.
If you look on their stats page ESO almost isnt even in the top 100 games on steam. So obviously not the majority of even ESO players use steam much less the pc gaming community in general. I mean ESO got handily beaten by such awesome games as farm simulator 15 and american truck simulator.
What point are you trying to make exactly? Steam controls a large part of the PC gaming market this is a fact, majority of those people are from the USA and Europe that is a fact, majority of their user base uses DX11 that is a fact. All this points to the same thing, most PC gamers have DX11 compatible Video Cards. This is further proven by the fact that Zenimax had no problem losing DX10 users as customers.
Yes those are all facts. You know whats also a fact. Hardly anyone who uses steam plays ESO. Fact is tho as I pointed out most of the PC community doesnt use steam.
Given that there are 100 million people using Steam, over 10 million concurrently, it's hardly surprising that "hardly anyone who uses Steam plays ESO" if you're talking percentages. That's true of any game, but then Steam does have over 7,500 games available.
I think you're confused by the fact that most people who play ESO don't do so through Steam. That's because it wasn't on Steam until well after it launched, and the terms on which it was made available on Steam deterred most existing players from switching to it.
Have you even considered the number of ESO players on PC who have played Skyrim? Certainly not "hardly anyone", yet guess which platform they played it on. Hint: It requires a Steam account for activation.
EDIT: Apologies for the late edit during which someone agreed with me - I hope they still do!
We are talking about ESO are we not? So I think the fact that they dropped DX9/10 support reflects the fact that the majority of people who use ESO are not the same demographic as the majority who use steam. So if most of your players play the game outside of steam then why on earth would you use steam stats to base what you do on your game where most of your players dont use steam?
Where did they say that they based their decision to drop support for DX9/10 on Steam stats? I must have missed that announcement, can you give a link please?
Where did you read that lol. They didnt make any decisions to keep or to drop on steam stats alone. Im sure they looked at them but like I said before obviously they didnt think there were enough people using dx 10 and before to warrant supporting that tech anymore.
I wondered if you were stating or implying that when you said "So if most of your players play the game outside of steam then why on earth would you use steam stats to base what you do on your game where most of your players dont use steam?" I certainly wasn't thinking for a moment that they would do so, and couldn't understand why you would mention it unless you had seen something I hadn't seen. However, to be honest I'm like IndyWendieGo on this, other than the fact that you believe hardly any PC gamers use Steam (the relevance of which is unclear although factually it's nonsense), I really don't have a clue what point you're trying to make that is possibly relevant to this topic.Edited by Tandor on March 9, 2016 11:31PM1 -
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Read the sys requirements, it says specs can change.Edited by Jade1986 on March 9, 2016 11:53PM0 -
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Read through the following. It has a great bit on where it seems that you're insinuating the notion that hardly any PC users are anywhere close to a form of the majority for statistical data. Which again, how is this -relevant-? We're derailing too much here with this anyways. We're trying to figure out why this is relevant. Stewart linked it because there's something interesting about Febuary's listing, that there are a lot more DX8 cards being used rather than DX11. They just commented that it was odd, nothing about that the majority of ESO uses Steam and therefore inconclusive in that stance. There's simply not enough information to this to make heads or tails of it.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Can you show me where I said hardly any pc users use steam?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.
To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).
And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !
I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.
Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.
100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.
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KhajiitiLizard✭✭✭✭✭stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »I actually think this was a nice upgrade they can now start to optimize the game better so high end graphics cards can be used 100% and not just 30% like they are now, also they should switch from the spaghetti code they have to allow better bug fixes.
The could support DX1 and still have a DX11 card running at 100%. They could optimise the game for any version of DX if they want. If ZOS want to have high end machines playing their game then so be it, the problem is though that ZOS now have to deliver to justify having such a machine to play it. They've dropped DX9, now they have no excuses to hide behind. Bet they will still factor in players unable to log on when calculating when they up the CP cap.
DX1? What are you playing on Windows 95? The original Xbox used a version of DX8 so DX8 was used in Windows 98, 2000, and early XP. It was the last DX to support Windows 95. So if most people in the world that play games (the steam stats) still use DX8 they are playing on anywhere from 14 to 21 year old systems. 0_oEdited by KhajiitiLizard on March 10, 2016 12:02AM0 -
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✭KhajiitiLizard wrote: »stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »I actually think this was a nice upgrade they can now start to optimize the game better so high end graphics cards can be used 100% and not just 30% like they are now, also they should switch from the spaghetti code they have to allow better bug fixes.
The could support DX1 and still have a DX11 card running at 100%. They could optimise the game for any version of DX if they want. If ZOS want to have high end machines playing their game then so be it, the problem is though that ZOS now have to deliver to justify having such a machine to play it. They've dropped DX9, now they have no excuses to hide behind. Bet they will still factor in players unable to log on when calculating when they up the CP cap.
DX1? What are you playing on Windows 95? The original Xbox used a version of DX8 so DX8 was used in Windows 98, 2000, and early XP. It was the last DX to support Windows 95. So if most people in the world that play games (the steam stats) still use DX8 they are playing on anywhere from 14 to 21 year old systems. 0_o
That's the really strange part. Maybe there's some kind of retro-gaming trend going on? NwN came in around 2002, Morrowind around the same time... I... I can't even. Even my current rig isn't that old and runs Skyrim decently. Beats the guar out of me.Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!0 -
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✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »I actually think this was a nice upgrade they can now start to optimize the game better so high end graphics cards can be used 100% and not just 30% like they are now, also they should switch from the spaghetti code they have to allow better bug fixes.
The could support DX1 and still have a DX11 card running at 100%. They could optimise the game for any version of DX if they want. If ZOS want to have high end machines playing their game then so be it, the problem is though that ZOS now have to deliver to justify having such a machine to play it. They've dropped DX9, now they have no excuses to hide behind. Bet they will still factor in players unable to log on when calculating when they up the CP cap.
DX1? What are you playing on Windows 95? The original Xbox used a version of DX8 so DX8 was used in Windows 98, 2000, and early XP. It was the last DX to support Windows 95. So if most people in the world that play games (the steam stats) still use DX8 they are playing on anywhere from 14 to 21 year old systems. 0_o
That's the really strange part. Maybe there's some kind of retro-gaming trend going on? NwN came in around 2002, Morrowind around the same time... I... I can't even. Even my current rig isn't that old and runs Skyrim decently. Beats the guar out of me.
You don't support something the maker no longer supports. It becomes cost ineffective.
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✭✭✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »
Read through the following. It has a great bit on where it seems that you're insinuating the notion that hardly any PC users are anywhere close to a form of the majority for statistical data. Which again, how is this -relevant-? We're derailing too much here with this anyways. We're trying to figure out why this is relevant. Stewart linked it because there's something interesting about Febuary's listing, that there are a lot more DX8 cards being used rather than DX11. They just commented that it was odd, nothing about that the majority of ESO uses Steam and therefore inconclusive in that stance. There's simply not enough information to this to make heads or tails of it.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Can you show me where I said hardly any pc users use steam?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.
To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).
And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !
I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.
Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.
100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.
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✭✭✭As far as why we are talking about steam someone brought it up and said you can judge all gamers by steam. Since steam says people still use old tech then ZOS should support all tech. Its a problem with a lot of people when they dont bother reading and just skim the thread.0 -
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✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »I actually think this was a nice upgrade they can now start to optimize the game better so high end graphics cards can be used 100% and not just 30% like they are now, also they should switch from the spaghetti code they have to allow better bug fixes.
The could support DX1 and still have a DX11 card running at 100%. They could optimise the game for any version of DX if they want. If ZOS want to have high end machines playing their game then so be it, the problem is though that ZOS now have to deliver to justify having such a machine to play it. They've dropped DX9, now they have no excuses to hide behind. Bet they will still factor in players unable to log on when calculating when they up the CP cap.
DX1? What are you playing on Windows 95? The original Xbox used a version of DX8 so DX8 was used in Windows 98, 2000, and early XP. It was the last DX to support Windows 95. So if most people in the world that play games (the steam stats) still use DX8 they are playing on anywhere from 14 to 21 year old systems. 0_o
That's the really strange part. Maybe there's some kind of retro-gaming trend going on? NwN came in around 2002, Morrowind around the same time... I... I can't even. Even my current rig isn't that old and runs Skyrim decently. Beats the guar out of me.
You don't support something the maker no longer supports. It becomes cost ineffective.
If they designed a game around two different DX that would be costing them development times and then if they wanted to develop for new systems then it would cost then even more development time.
I'm simply saying that there's a few older games on Steam that are neeeeeear that era of hardware, though even with hardware afterword it runs just fine. What I'm saying is the data in that linked statistic makes absolutely no sense in January-February of this year. DX11 from the last few months of last year were the highest and they just dropped off the map when January hit. It's a really odd statistic. @FakeAlGore , did you ever get anything back from Valve about this?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »
Read through the following. It has a great bit on where it seems that you're insinuating the notion that hardly any PC users are anywhere close to a form of the majority for statistical data. Which again, how is this -relevant-? We're derailing too much here with this anyways. We're trying to figure out why this is relevant. Stewart linked it because there's something interesting about Febuary's listing, that there are a lot more DX8 cards being used rather than DX11. They just commented that it was odd, nothing about that the majority of ESO uses Steam and therefore inconclusive in that stance. There's simply not enough information to this to make heads or tails of it.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Can you show me where I said hardly any pc users use steam?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.
To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).
And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !
I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.
Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.
100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.
I was not insinuating anything. If I didnt say it then I didnt say it. Dont put words in my mouth.
That's not me putting words in your mouth. I'm simply stating that this is what it SOUNDS like. Saying that you said something and saying that something SOUNDS like you said something are two separate contexts. Please don't put words in my mouth. We're simply stumped about how your recent arguments pose any relevance to the thread. It's getting to be a bit off topic at this point, so perhaps we should get back on topic for the thread's sake?Edited by FleetwoodSmack on March 10, 2016 12:37AMTell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!0 -
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✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »I actually think this was a nice upgrade they can now start to optimize the game better so high end graphics cards can be used 100% and not just 30% like they are now, also they should switch from the spaghetti code they have to allow better bug fixes.
The could support DX1 and still have a DX11 card running at 100%. They could optimise the game for any version of DX if they want. If ZOS want to have high end machines playing their game then so be it, the problem is though that ZOS now have to deliver to justify having such a machine to play it. They've dropped DX9, now they have no excuses to hide behind. Bet they will still factor in players unable to log on when calculating when they up the CP cap.
DX1? What are you playing on Windows 95? The original Xbox used a version of DX8 so DX8 was used in Windows 98, 2000, and early XP. It was the last DX to support Windows 95. So if most people in the world that play games (the steam stats) still use DX8 they are playing on anywhere from 14 to 21 year old systems. 0_o
That's the really strange part. Maybe there's some kind of retro-gaming trend going on? NwN came in around 2002, Morrowind around the same time... I... I can't even. Even my current rig isn't that old and runs Skyrim decently. Beats the guar out of me.
You don't support something the maker no longer supports. It becomes cost ineffective.
If they designed a game around two different DX that would be costing them development times and then if they wanted to develop for new systems then it would cost then even more development time.
I'm simply saying that there's a few older games on Steam that are neeeeeear that era of hardware, though even with hardware afterword it runs just fine. What I'm saying is the data in that linked statistic makes absolutely no sense in January-February of this year. DX11 from the last few months of last year were the highest and they just dropped off the map when January hit. It's a really odd statistic. @FakeAlGore , did you ever get anything back from Valve about this?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »
Read through the following. It has a great bit on where it seems that you're insinuating the notion that hardly any PC users are anywhere close to a form of the majority for statistical data. Which again, how is this -relevant-? We're derailing too much here with this anyways. We're trying to figure out why this is relevant. Stewart linked it because there's something interesting about Febuary's listing, that there are a lot more DX8 cards being used rather than DX11. They just commented that it was odd, nothing about that the majority of ESO uses Steam and therefore inconclusive in that stance. There's simply not enough information to this to make heads or tails of it.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Can you show me where I said hardly any pc users use steam?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.
To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).
And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !
I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.
Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.
100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.
I was not insinuating anything. If I didnt say it then I didnt say it. Dont put words in my mouth.
That's not me putting words in your mouth. I'm simply stating that this is what it SOUNDS like. Saying that you said something and saying that something SOUNDS like you said something are two separate contexts. Please don't put words in my mouth. We're simply stumped about how your recent arguments pose any relevance to the thread. It's getting to be a bit off topic at this point, so perhaps we should get back on topic for the thread's sake?
Those older games are revisions to work on newer hardware/software. Such as baldurs gate, kotors, Fallout's, etc
Although I seem to still have good crashes here and there on the old Fallout's.
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✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »I actually think this was a nice upgrade they can now start to optimize the game better so high end graphics cards can be used 100% and not just 30% like they are now, also they should switch from the spaghetti code they have to allow better bug fixes.
The could support DX1 and still have a DX11 card running at 100%. They could optimise the game for any version of DX if they want. If ZOS want to have high end machines playing their game then so be it, the problem is though that ZOS now have to deliver to justify having such a machine to play it. They've dropped DX9, now they have no excuses to hide behind. Bet they will still factor in players unable to log on when calculating when they up the CP cap.
DX1? What are you playing on Windows 95? The original Xbox used a version of DX8 so DX8 was used in Windows 98, 2000, and early XP. It was the last DX to support Windows 95. So if most people in the world that play games (the steam stats) still use DX8 they are playing on anywhere from 14 to 21 year old systems. 0_o
That's the really strange part. Maybe there's some kind of retro-gaming trend going on? NwN came in around 2002, Morrowind around the same time... I... I can't even. Even my current rig isn't that old and runs Skyrim decently. Beats the guar out of me.
You don't support something the maker no longer supports. It becomes cost ineffective.
If they designed a game around two different DX that would be costing them development times and then if they wanted to develop for new systems then it would cost then even more development time.
I'm simply saying that there's a few older games on Steam that are neeeeeear that era of hardware, though even with hardware afterword it runs just fine. What I'm saying is the data in that linked statistic makes absolutely no sense in January-February of this year. DX11 from the last few months of last year were the highest and they just dropped off the map when January hit. It's a really odd statistic. @FakeAlGore , did you ever get anything back from Valve about this?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »
Read through the following. It has a great bit on where it seems that you're insinuating the notion that hardly any PC users are anywhere close to a form of the majority for statistical data. Which again, how is this -relevant-? We're derailing too much here with this anyways. We're trying to figure out why this is relevant. Stewart linked it because there's something interesting about Febuary's listing, that there are a lot more DX8 cards being used rather than DX11. They just commented that it was odd, nothing about that the majority of ESO uses Steam and therefore inconclusive in that stance. There's simply not enough information to this to make heads or tails of it.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Can you show me where I said hardly any pc users use steam?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.
To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).
And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !
I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.
Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.
100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.
I was not insinuating anything. If I didnt say it then I didnt say it. Dont put words in my mouth.
That's not me putting words in your mouth. I'm simply stating that this is what it SOUNDS like. Saying that you said something and saying that something SOUNDS like you said something are two separate contexts. Please don't put words in my mouth. We're simply stumped about how your recent arguments pose any relevance to the thread. It's getting to be a bit off topic at this point, so perhaps we should get back on topic for the thread's sake?
Those older games are revisions to work on newer hardware/software. Such as baldurs gate, kotors, Fallout's, etc
Although I seem to still have good crashes here and there on the old Fallout's.
I actually didn't know that. Huh. That's probably why I have framerate issues when trying to run Morrowind with MGE XE. I still have the discs to that and Oblivion both. That's... Huh. So it's probably not retro-gaming then. I'm stumped on that then. Maybe there was some kind of fluke in the data with the more recent months?Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!0 -
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✭✭✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »I actually think this was a nice upgrade they can now start to optimize the game better so high end graphics cards can be used 100% and not just 30% like they are now, also they should switch from the spaghetti code they have to allow better bug fixes.
The could support DX1 and still have a DX11 card running at 100%. They could optimise the game for any version of DX if they want. If ZOS want to have high end machines playing their game then so be it, the problem is though that ZOS now have to deliver to justify having such a machine to play it. They've dropped DX9, now they have no excuses to hide behind. Bet they will still factor in players unable to log on when calculating when they up the CP cap.
DX1? What are you playing on Windows 95? The original Xbox used a version of DX8 so DX8 was used in Windows 98, 2000, and early XP. It was the last DX to support Windows 95. So if most people in the world that play games (the steam stats) still use DX8 they are playing on anywhere from 14 to 21 year old systems. 0_o
That's the really strange part. Maybe there's some kind of retro-gaming trend going on? NwN came in around 2002, Morrowind around the same time... I... I can't even. Even my current rig isn't that old and runs Skyrim decently. Beats the guar out of me.
You don't support something the maker no longer supports. It becomes cost ineffective.
If they designed a game around two different DX that would be costing them development times and then if they wanted to develop for new systems then it would cost then even more development time.
I'm simply saying that there's a few older games on Steam that are neeeeeear that era of hardware, though even with hardware afterword it runs just fine. What I'm saying is the data in that linked statistic makes absolutely no sense in January-February of this year. DX11 from the last few months of last year were the highest and they just dropped off the map when January hit. It's a really odd statistic. @FakeAlGore , did you ever get anything back from Valve about this?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »
Read through the following. It has a great bit on where it seems that you're insinuating the notion that hardly any PC users are anywhere close to a form of the majority for statistical data. Which again, how is this -relevant-? We're derailing too much here with this anyways. We're trying to figure out why this is relevant. Stewart linked it because there's something interesting about Febuary's listing, that there are a lot more DX8 cards being used rather than DX11. They just commented that it was odd, nothing about that the majority of ESO uses Steam and therefore inconclusive in that stance. There's simply not enough information to this to make heads or tails of it.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Can you show me where I said hardly any pc users use steam?jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.
To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).
And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !
I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.
Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.
100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.
I was not insinuating anything. If I didnt say it then I didnt say it. Dont put words in my mouth.
That's not me putting words in your mouth. I'm simply stating that this is what it SOUNDS like. Saying that you said something and saying that something SOUNDS like you said something are two separate contexts. Please don't put words in my mouth. We're simply stumped about how your recent arguments pose any relevance to the thread. It's getting to be a bit off topic at this point, so perhaps we should get back on topic for the thread's sake?
In the future dont go by your opinion of what it sounds like. Just read it word for word. Thats exactly what I meant s thats why I wrote it. At no time did I ever say "hardly any pc gamers use steam". Oh and we have been on topic. You are one trying to derail it by personally attacking me talkin g about what you think I am saying instead of what I actually said.
Steam is very much on topic. I didnt bring it up.Edited by jamesharv2005ub17_ESO on March 10, 2016 12:45AM0